How is noone excited Wobbly won like 50k yesterday

Wobbly goes ahead and wins like 100k from DN and company, biggest day ever for LP aside for Sunday Million scores, (since I've been here) Obv not since the beginning so I might be wrong, then I'm railing him at $50/$100 yesterday and he won like $50k from some spaz. If $100k is his best day how is the $50k the next day not huge news also.

What a tear this guy is on, holy shit give him some props LP, jeez.

why don't you just jerk him off while you're at it?

I think it's because I neither indirectly nor directly profit from him winning money?

for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props.

LP is such a small community and yet everyone hates each other. I don't understand it at all. Who cares if wobbly brags a little bit, or any high stakes guys, as there are like 100 - 200 people left at lp who are active you would think people would start being nicer to one another. Not to mention the vast amount of trolling that goes on in any low stakes post.

rememp f off. This isnt paradise people gonna have disagreements

Wobbly has obviously some insecurities and personality issues, he can be a proper nerdy asshole. But he's OUR ASSHOLE! Yay Wobbly!

On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props.

haha drone bringing the pain

On February 03 2012 10:43 rememp wrote: LP is such a small community and yet everyone hates each other. I don't understand it at all. Who cares if wobbly brags a little bit, or any high stakes guys, as there are like 100 - 200 people left at lp who are active you would think people would start being nicer to one another. Not to mention the vast amount of trolling that goes on in any low stakes post.

You sound like a woman.

On February 03 2012 11:57 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props. haha drone bringing the pain

more like bringing the truth

On February 03 2012 10:43 rememp wrote: LP is such a small community and yet everyone hates each other. I don't understand it at all. Who cares if wobbly brags a little bit, or any high stakes guys, as there are like 100 - 200 people left at lp who are active you would think people would start being nicer to one another. Not to mention the vast amount of trolling that goes on in any low stakes post.

It's not like everyone really hates each other. There's just a lot of big egos on this site so disagreements and disputes can get kinda strong.

The low stakes trolling is because, well... the quality of play most of the time is hilariously bad. You'd probably troll to if you were a mid/high stakes player looking at the crap played out sometimes.

Fuck the jibber jabber, let's get to some substance. Wobbly reported elky for "cheating" (openly wanting to flip in a tournament) which resulted in a suspension of elky's pro status for about a week. Pretty hard not to call a guy a douche bag and an asshole for reporting such a thing. Not to mention, the guy brags about having threesomes but have you seen the pic of his gf? I can't imagine just how ugly those desperate whores had to be if he's a millionaire and the best he can do is a 3.5/10.

his gf is pretty hot i reckon
actually she is not hot, she is pretty.

Let's not be too hard on the guy.
He already doesn't like himself very much even though he tries to convince himself he does.

On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props.

QFT. Most nerds, use the internet forums to try to "balance" out the social life that they lack in the real world. It's a great outlet for people with no real friends/etc so they go online to try to gain some respect from online community. E.G. Look at guys like iop, f4zi with thousands posts putting up pictures of how baller they are just to gain LP respect. BTW most people dont give a damn where you've been, who u've been with... put that stuff on facebook where people might actually care. Theres a fine line between the obvious attempt to brag about your fake cool life, and portraying recent events etc.

Lastly, i miss playing playing against your random eri!! Holla at OG sc players!

On February 03 2012 13:34 spets1 wrote: his gf is pretty hot i reckon actually she is not hot, she is pretty.

everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists

On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists

How is anyone "cheerleading"?
Pointing out facts is not cheerleading.

On February 03 2012 15:50 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists How is anyone "cheerleading"? Pointing out facts is not cheerleading.

But on meth it is!

whyyyy even mention his gf, it has nothing to do with anything.

On February 03 2012 15:50 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists How is anyone "cheerleading"? Pointing out facts is not cheerleading.

calling him a douche for reporting collusion coz u r elky fanboy?

On February 03 2012 16:13 barbieman wrote: whyyyy even mention his gf, it has nothing to do with anything.

ye agreed, gf should be off limits.

On February 03 2012 16:23 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 15:50 Zep wrote:   On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists How is anyone "cheerleading"? Pointing out facts is not cheerleading. calling him a douche for reporting collusion coz u r elky fanboy?

LOL. I don't game at all (never ever have), seen him play on tv once, so no i don't give a shit about elky in any personal way. I just think it's funny and says a lot about someone's character when they report someone for colluding over flipping in a tournament and then make a thread about it. Even if it was the "right" thing to do, calling wobbly a d bag is the appropriate notion under that circumstance imho. Speaking of fan boys, why do you want to suck wobbly's cock so bad?

Oh LP how awesome you all are

On February 03 2012 16:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 16:13 barbieman wrote: whyyyy even mention his gf, it has nothing to do with anything. ye agreed, gf should be off limits.

So if floofy bragged about having more gf's then socks and multiple threesomes, and then you saw a pic of his gf, you wouldn't laugh, cringe and make fun of your mind's eye image of what that threesome would look like?
Hypocrites.

man i hope elky starts posting more

I dont think its cool to do this. talk shit about someone like that when every single one of us here have a lot of flaws and problems of our own that could and should be worked on. Why not make an effort to become better beings ourselves other than trying so hard to point flaws at the others? Or even celebrate the good qualities of our fellow LPers? for instance player999 just won a tournment in a rail thread, lets talk about that instead!

On February 03 2012 17:09 tutz wrote: I dont think its cool to do this. talk shit about someone like that when every single one of us here have a lot of flaws and problems of our own that could and should be worked on. Why not make an effort to become better beings ourselves other than trying so hard to point flaws at the others? Or even celebrate the good qualities of our fellow LPers? for instance player999 just won a tournment in a rail thread, lets talk about that instead!

Why make a thread with 5 posts praising someone when we can make a 5 page thread trashing someone. We are just trying to bring LP more traffic!

On February 03 2012 17:09 tutz wrote: I dont think its cool to do this. talk shit about someone like that when every single one of us here have a lot of flaws and problems of our own that could and should be worked on. Why not make an effort to become better beings ourselves other than trying so hard to point flaws at the others? Or even celebrate the good qualities of our fellow LPers? for instance player999 just won a tournment in a rail thread, lets talk about that instead!

because wobbly is the hero lp deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we will shit talk him, because he can take it

On February 03 2012 17:08 RaSZi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 16:23 dogmeat wrote:   On February 03 2012 15:50 Zep wrote:   On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists How is anyone "cheerleading"? Pointing out facts is not cheerleading. calling him a douche for reporting collusion coz u r elky fanboy? explain to me exactly how shoving every hand in a rebuy is collusion? It's open information to everyone and a HUGE benefit to the other players at the table. If you actually think people need to get reported for that, you're pretty retarded.

ok not exactly collusion but still against tos

I don't give a fuck about Elky , I don't give a fuck about Wobbly , and Zep is a massive douche bag.
PS: Die Howard , die

Most of the people that hate me over the elky thing dont have a clue why I think its cheating what he did, but Raszi you really should know better. Your a goddamn "pro" at poker.

If 2 of your opponents on your table is shoving/calling based on whether the other guys are folding or limping then you artificially increase the stakes. It was already a 500$ rebuy If I remember correctly, even though at the time I wanted to "flip" with them, I didnt have the roll to get a nice fat stack like that. Now think about all the fish who see this?

It was against TOS rules and I felt it was collusion, I reported him once and i'll gladly report anyone who does it again.

On February 03 2012 17:26 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 17:09 tutz wrote: I dont think its cool to do this. talk shit about someone like that when every single one of us here have a lot of flaws and problems of our own that could and should be worked on. Why not make an effort to become better beings ourselves other than trying so hard to point flaws at the others? Or even celebrate the good qualities of our fellow LPers? for instance player999 just won a tournment in a rail thread, lets talk about that instead! because wobbly is the hero lp deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we will shit talk him, because he can take it

hahaha dark knight?

On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props.

nice wishy washy arguments with no specifics. O you dont think making loads of money while your young is pretty cool?

Then what have you done that is? Shit talking people better than you on internet forums because you can't measure up, so you have to convince your self what they've achieved is worthless? Fkn tard.

On February 03 2012 16:41 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 16:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:   On February 03 2012 16:13 barbieman wrote: whyyyy even mention his gf, it has nothing to do with anything. ye agreed, gf should be off limits. So if floofy bragged about having more gf's then socks and multiple threesomes, and then you saw a pic of his gf, you wouldn't laugh, cringe and make fun of your mind's eye image of what that threesome would look like? Hypocrites.

There was this other lp guy in another thread awhile ago who had diarrhea all over one of "his bitches" and was bragging about it in this brag post, and I don't even remember his name.

On February 03 2012 16:41 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 16:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:   On February 03 2012 16:13 barbieman wrote: whyyyy even mention his gf, it has nothing to do with anything. ye agreed, gf should be off limits. So if floofy bragged about having more gf's then socks and multiple threesomes, and then you saw a pic of his gf, you wouldn't laugh, cringe and make fun of your mind's eye image of what that threesome would look like? Hypocrites.

Mate I think my girlfriend is really sweet, cute and pretty. So just F off.

So much drama on LP lately, and one person gets all the bashing aswell, kinda sucks a ton imo.

OT: I was excited to rail wobbly when he owned up highstakes so big props to him

in b4 neilly

How did you end the threesome Wobbly?

When you cum, do you decide which one to cum in, or do you just wing it? Do you spread it evenly among the two, so one won't get offended or anything like that?

Oh, got more questions, do you need to think about the switches, give everyone equal time for each hole, or do you mix it up. Hmmm, now that I think about it, it would make sense to try a little bit of everything, and then try and listen to them, so if one of them really likes to get fingered, and the other one didn't seem to fancy something else you were doing, you can give her more of her preference and do what you like on the other one perhaps. (Maybe I'm over thinking this).

I've not got a lot of experience with girls, and the one I was dating when she asked if I wanted threesome had tricked me. In my head I thougt I handled it like a Bwauss, like "ahh hmm, noo, I'll have to think about it". And then like I've been contemplating for some time, "okay, I'll go along, only since it'z you and I love you n stuff, and only with another girl".

On February 03 2012 18:16 hording wrote: So much drama on LP lately, and one person gets all the bashing aswell, kinda sucks a ton imo. OT: I was excited to rail wobbly when he owned up highstakes so big props to him

15 posts!! Guy'z!! Let's get him!!!

On February 03 2012 18:16 hording wrote: So much drama on LP lately, and one person gets all the bashing aswell, kinda sucks a ton imo. OT: I was excited to rail wobbly when he owned up highstakes so big props to him

You and OP and anyone else who isnt a braindead hater: I appreciate you

die howard

On February 03 2012 17:59 wobbly_au wrote: Most of the people that hate me over the elky thing dont have a clue why I think its cheating what he did, but Raszi you really should know better. Your a goddamn "pro" at poker. If 2 of your opponents on your table is shoving/calling based on whether the other guys are folding or limping then you artificially increase the stakes. It was already a 500$ rebuy If I remember correctly, even though at the time I wanted to "flip" with them, I didnt have the roll to get a nice fat stack like that. Now think about all the fish who see this? It was against TOS rules and I felt it was collusion, I reported him once and i'll gladly report anyone who does it again.

wait so you wanted to do what they were doing and wouldve but you couldnt because you didnt have a big enough br so you reported them? thats so brutally self serving and fucked up. that you make decisions about poker morality relative to how well it serves you at the moment speaks a lot about you

On February 03 2012 18:28 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 17:59 wobbly_au wrote: Most of the people that hate me over the elky thing dont have a clue why I think its cheating what he did, but Raszi you really should know better. Your a goddamn "pro" at poker. If 2 of your opponents on your table is shoving/calling based on whether the other guys are folding or limping then you artificially increase the stakes. It was already a 500$ rebuy If I remember correctly, even though at the time I wanted to "flip" with them, I didnt have the roll to get a nice fat stack like that. Now think about all the fish who see this? It was against TOS rules and I felt it was collusion, I reported him once and i'll gladly report anyone who does it again. wait so you wanted to do what they were doing and wouldve but you couldnt because you didnt have a big enough br so you reported them? thats so brutally self serving and fucked up. that you make decisions about poker morality relative to how well it serves you at the moment speaks a lot about you

That isnt what I said at all. I would never do anything like that. Even If my roll was huge I would have reported them. I was just making the point that it was unfair.

np wobbly, tutz has it right too, this thread is exactly what I'm talking about, noone gets appreciated and everyone gets bashed. People are bringing up so much shit from a long time ago and people like trolala or whatever are going to stop posting if everything he posts gets ripped to shreds. (except that one aa hand man, that one you had to expect)

Anyway I really really think LP would be a better place if everyone just fucking calmed down and appreciated the people here.

(For people who appreciate this: we need to act more like the leaf village and less like the uchiha's) : )

ah well try as i might i cant really read that bolded part any other way

Obligatory "die Howard" post.

Die Howard.

Wobbly use his 2 last big wins and make a huge LP gathering, everyone with over 1752 posts gets invited, we could go somewhere sick, where it's hot and beachy, but close to big city for more fun. How awesome would that be!!

And is it really noone? Feels a lot better like this, check it....

"no one"

Hmm, yea, looks much better. Noone makes me think of the thingy that comes before afternoon.

The only reason Wobbly gets hated for the Elky report is because for some reason everyone here loves Elky. If it wasn't Elky, no-one would care and probably even agree with Wobbly if they understood his reasons. I agree with waga, I don't give a fuck about the whole Elky situation, I don't care much about wobbly but I think he cleaned up his act lately, and Zep IS a huge negative douchebag in litterally every topic.

maruius r u drunk?

Poll: Wobbly
(Vote): LP Hero
(Vote): He's a huge faggot

Why can't it be both ffs? That's my argument. Wobbly is a hero poker god who creates drama on LP by being a bag of douche. It's one thing to report elky, it's another thing to intervene a moral argument by starting a thread stating what you just did. Just like it's pefectly fine to think you're gf is pretty and the shit, but when you BRAG about what you've done with women, you're leaving yourself open to other people's judgments of your taste in women.

On February 03 2012 18:52 Twisted wrote: The only reason Wobbly gets hated for the Elky report is because for some reason everyone here loves Elky.

LOL. Solid argument. That's about as logical as saying the only reason people were hating on the reporter was because it was wobbly. It might have received more attention than usual because it was wobbly and elky, but regardless of who was involved, it was still a douche bag move in a lot of people's mind.

On February 03 2012 18:52 Twisted wrote: and Zep IS a huge negative douchebag in litterally every topic.

I play a cynical asshole on lp, i'll give you that

Can we just all just agree that Wobbylol's girlfriend is fking ugly and move on plz?

retarded poll

On February 03 2012 19:20 Darace wrote: Can we just all just agree that Wobbylol's girlfriend is fking ugly and move on plz?

haha so cute

On February 03 2012 16:39 TimDawg wrote: Oh LP how awesome you all are

On February 03 2012 18:28 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 17:59 wobbly_au wrote: Most of the people that hate me over the elky thing dont have a clue why I think its cheating what he did, but Raszi you really should know better. Your a goddamn "pro" at poker. If 2 of your opponents on your table is shoving/calling based on whether the other guys are folding or limping then you artificially increase the stakes. It was already a 500$ rebuy If I remember correctly, even though at the time I wanted to "flip" with them, I didnt have the roll to get a nice fat stack like that. Now think about all the fish who see this? It was against TOS rules and I felt it was collusion, I reported him once and i'll gladly report anyone who does it again. wait so you wanted to do what they were doing and wouldve but you couldnt because you didnt have a big enough br so you reported them? thats so brutally self serving and fucked up. that you make decisions about poker morality relative to how well it serves you at the moment speaks a lot about you

love this thread, speaks such the truth about the poker community,

so filled with trolls and complete idiots/waste of life people, that print money so they think they are pretty cool.

on the other side, so many great brains and great persons....

it's normal people don't get along, in the poker world it's one of the only place you really get a tons of the 2 kind of people, the going-no-where losers and life-retards who can actually do well at poker, and the pretty cool intelligent people who seize an opportunity to make money.

wobbly, good job the last 2 days man.

Pooruser has better verbal than me,, he wrote it perfect on how i feel as well.

Wobbles, you must realize, LP originated from starcraft community, Elky was starcraft king, and is a poker machine that we all love and respect.

I mean, if that was a $55R or w/e at that time, im 100% sure u would never tell on him, since you can flip a huge range every timeeeeee. because you joined a mtt underrolled, you couldnt play it correctly, saw ppl going allin in a rebuy preflop (OMG?) and since its Elky you make a big deal out of it. you even made the post yourself on the lp. (2008 was it?)

Wobbly, in the world, any PR is usually good PR.

In Poker, especially cashgames, low PR = good. you want to be unknown and unhated, you will be in live games in vegas soon and will be assumed to be meeting most the community (not just lp, all the poker world) at some point in your life.

Do you really want to have to sit in Aussie for the rest of your life with your "beautiful girlfriend" when theres a huge world with (real 10/10's, not 3.5 or whatever they rated her) and guess what wobbly, about 93% of these girls are shallow enough to like you just because you have money. If you have personality, you can actually get a 10 with a few hundred g's in the bank.

Get ur ego under wraps, backing up what u said about elky shows backbone, yet shows you are an arrogant ass as well, who doesn't realize that is 100% standard in rebuys. I open ship 20 in a row sometimes in rebuys.

Theres a lot more to life than making the $ online now bud, your minds vision is your only limitations.

theres no reason to be a prick, and wobbly, most of the "haters" u have, are not because anything you've ever said, its always been through your actions in the community. Actions speak louder than words. My words are stoned rambles 93% of the time, your actions are 93% in the words of Lemon (BULLOCKS)

best of luck w/ ur life n pokerz
Neilly

That poll was 4-0 for "LP Hero" before I voted "faggot" for the hell of it, now it's 8-4 for "faggot." lol WTF stop following the crowd.

On February 03 2012 19:20 Darace wrote: Can we just all just agree that Wobbylol's girlfriend is fking ugly and move on plz?

On February 03 2012 19:59 NeillyJQ wrote: wobbly, good job the last 2 days man. Pooruser has better verbal than me,, he wrote it perfect on how i feel as well. Wobbles, you must realize, LP originated from starcraft community, Elky was starcraft king, and is a poker machine that we all love and respect. I mean, if that was a $55R or w/e at that time, im 100% sure u would never tell on him, since you can flip a huge range every timeeeeee. because you joined a mtt underrolled, you couldnt play it correctly, saw ppl going allin in a rebuy preflop (OMG?) and since its Elky you make a big deal out of it. you even made the post yourself on the lp. (2008 was it?) Wobbly, in the world, any PR is usually good PR. In Poker, especially cashgames, low PR = good. you want to be unknown and unhated, you will be in live games in vegas soon and will be assumed to be meeting most the community (not just lp, all the poker world) at some point in your life. Do you really want to have to sit in Aussie for the rest of your life with your "beautiful girlfriend" when theres a huge world with (real 10/10's, not 3.5 or whatever they rated her) and guess what wobbly, about 93% of these girls are shallow enough to like you just because you have money. If you have personality, you can actually get a 10 with a few hundred g's in the bank. Get ur ego under wraps, backing up what u said about elky shows backbone, yet shows you are an arrogant ass as well, who doesn't realize that is 100% standard in rebuys. I open ship 20 in a row sometimes in rebuys. Theres a lot more to life than making the $ online now bud, your minds vision is your only limitations. theres no reason to be a prick, and wobbly, most of the "haters" u have, are not because anything you've ever said, its always been through your actions in the community. Actions speak louder than words. My words are stoned rambles 93% of the time, your actions are 93% in the words of Lemon (BULLOCKS) best of luck w/ ur life n pokerz Neilly

Neilly why the fuck would he be happier with some girl that wants him just for his money, wow seriously man guy seems to be happy with his girlfriend now and he'll be way happier with a girl that likes him for him than for his money.

On February 03 2012 18:19 dogmeat wrote: in b4 neilly

mindreader;

well, wobbly doesnt need more than $200 in the bank to get a 10 if he is actually a ten himself, and yeah, if hes in "love" with this girl hes with, then sure, go with it. but ya, i saw a pic of her, and well...if i had over 500k in the bank, i'm 93% sure i'd be picking up some extremely fine women and choose from them

On February 03 2012 19:59 NeillyJQ wrote: Wobbles, you must realize, LP originated from starcraft community, Elky was starcraft king, and is a poker machine that we all love and respect. I mean, if that was a $55R or w/e at that time, im 100% sure u would never tell on him, since you can flip a huge range every timeeeeee. because you joined a mtt underrolled, you couldnt play it correctly, saw ppl going allin in a rebuy preflop (OMG?) and since its Elky you make a big deal out of it. you even made the post yourself on the lp. (2008 was it?) Wobbly, in the world, any PR is usually good PR. In Poker, especially cashgames, low PR = good. you want to be unknown and unhated, you will be in live games in vegas soon and will be assumed to be meeting most the community (not just lp, all the poker world) at some point in your life. Do you really want to have to sit in Aussie for the rest of your life with your "beautiful girlfriend" when theres a huge world with (real 10/10's, not 3.5 or whatever they rated her) and guess what wobbly, about 93% of these girls are shallow enough to like you just because you have money. If you have personality, you can actually get a 10 with a few hundred g's in the bank. Get ur ego under wraps, backing up what u said about elky shows backbone, yet shows you are an arrogant ass as well, who doesn't realize that is 100% standard in rebuys. I open ship 20 in a row sometimes in rebuys. Theres a lot more to life than making the $ online now bud, your minds vision is your only limitations. theres no reason to be a prick, and wobbly, most of the "haters" u have, are not because anything you've ever said, its always been through your actions in the community. Actions speak louder than words. My words are stoned rambles 93% of the time, your actions are 93% in the words of Lemon (BULLOCKS) best of luck w/ ur life n pokerz Neilly

Oh shut the hell up already neilly. If anyone is shallow in this topic it's you, but that's nothing new.

You people are arguing over a 4 year old picture of wobbly with his girlfriend back then 4 years ago and they seemed like a happy couple on the picture. I don't like wobbly at all based on his arrogant behaviour on this website the last few years but the abuse in this topic is ridiculous. His current girlfriend which he posted a picture of is cute.

People posting on LP are fucking stupid sometimes. Get over your own insecurities already and stop bringing up dumb shit from 500 years ago no-one really cares about anymore.

It's funny, whenever someone gets bashed, Neilly comes into the topic and sides with the majority to hope to gain some goodwill from this community that has already made him an outcast several times.

twisted, wobbly and i have always went back n forth for about 3 years now

Seriously, what effect does online bashing in a poker forum have? 93% sure everyone is nicer in real life so there's no point in it except make the site more interesting. I'm sure if we had some sort of huge LP meetup everyone will just laugh about everything.

the gf is really not a big deal at all imo, being happy is all that matters in that aspect, and this thread did get derailed to elky this his gf, and well, bashing on wobbly at any opportunity, for me, is the same as i guess when you guys see a Floofy post.

honestly, i think wobblys a great player and i respect his work ethic and mb other stuff.

i do want him to be happy, and if shes cute or w/e then thats a plus obv.

I personally don't like the way he acts or anything, hes a whiny bitch (wahwahwah, -500k below ev)

He also turned in a peer of mine since i was 13 for doing something that maybe at most is a SLIGHT break of a rule that should never be there in the first place. Its a rebuy, you can do whatever you want with your chips if you have the money to support it. thats why we bankroll manage, or are supposed to atleast.

weird you said that i side with the majority, when 93% of the time im siding with the minority (and i thought most lp loved wobbly, which would mean i am siding with the minority here as well) - just look at the comments in his blog, people are practically unzipping his pants sometimes, i don't want that to come off wrong, but ppl brown nose so hard and he will never do anything for them. but i guess inspiration is all they need at the moment.

i was quoting the quotes that i agreed with before i finished reading the thread by the way, as i went along, which is why there are 2 quotes. oh, and look, they are both from 2 of the most intelligent people on the LP.

anyways, all this has always went around wobbly being a stubborn ass prick. Elky was shipping around $1k at a time (500R), and wobbly can call here w/ 40% of the deck profitably. Elky put a million chips on the table. If someone does this at my table, I thank them lol, Elky made $17k in that MTT or something close to that. Stars took the 17k from him and banned him for a week, for doing something that is standard in every single rebuy MTT.


k last post in this thread, woke up and saw this post, too juicy not to post in ;-)
its great hes up 185kish the last 2 days, but remember that he was way below ev. luck rules short-term, skill rules long-term. the ev and good games are always going to show up eventually, its just a matter of time. people don't understand the long term, is actually life-long-term.

gllllll keep it up on those winz

Well just read wobblys last blog last page and u realize he is truly an idiot
How can i cheer for someone who talks such rubbish ?
I have no hate towards him (I in general do not hate people i ve never seen in RL ) But i also cant care less about him winning or losing money
he is just too much of an idiot to me that i would care about his success in anything

I mean its funny how he states that what you are worth in life is determined by such shallow factors of common society judgement such as having money and being high skilled in what u do (Like his superiority shows in his success doing video games lol seriously ouch ) but at the same time when confronted with his girlfriends looks (which is also a shallow factor of common society judgement) he says looks is not important its just important to be happy with your girl....

Still he isnt able too see how illogical contradicting this double standard view of his is ?

And then when Baal points this out he is wrinting ridiculous page long article about how blabla
...
come one
seriously ?

If i didnt knew he is very happy in life with his 2 millions id feel sorry for him being such an inferior complex driven nerd kid

On February 03 2012 21:30 whamm! wrote: Seriously, what effect does online bashing in a poker forum have? 93% sure everyone is nicer in real life so there's no point in it except make the site more interesting. I'm sure if we had some sort of huge LP meetup everyone will just laugh about everything.

and we'd all have sex, and then laugh about it because we all got a little too much to drink last night. hahaha.. right guys?

The only thing I truly loved wobbly for was wobbly vs exhilarate. That hand will live on forever. lp gold.

On February 03 2012 21:49 barbieman wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 21:30 whamm! wrote: Seriously, what effect does online bashing in a poker forum have? 93% sure everyone is nicer in real life so there's no point in it except make the site more interesting. I'm sure if we had some sort of huge LP meetup everyone will just laugh about everything. and we'd all have sex, and then laugh about it because we all got a little too much to drink last night. hahaha.. right guys?

now that's just being gay haha

On February 03 2012 12:58 Zep wrote: Fuck the jibber jabber, let's get to some substance. Wobbly reported elky for "cheating" (openly wanting to flip in a tournament) which resulted in a suspension of elky's pro status for about a week. Pretty hard not to call a guy a douche bag and an asshole for reporting such a thing. Not to mention, the guy brags about having threesomes but have you seen the pic of his gf? I can't imagine just how ugly those desperate whores had to be if he's a millionaire and the best he can do is a 3.5/10.

Elky was indeed cheating, if Wobbly is a douche for reporting it what would that make Elky?


He brags about 3 somes? lol ive never heard that

On February 03 2012 17:09 tutz wrote: I dont think its cool to do this. talk shit about someone like that when every single one of us here have a lot of flaws and problems of our own that could and should be worked on. Why not make an effort to become better beings ourselves other than trying so hard to point flaws at the others? Or even celebrate the good qualities of our fellow LPers? for instance player999 just won a tournment in a rail thread, lets talk about that instead!

this. pretty sure most people here who seem to be assholes are really cool/nice people irl. this is the internetz. don't take things too seriously around here.

oh and BTW, Neilly STFU... i didnt even read all your posts but you cant talk anything regarding conduct, douchiness, morality etc, GTFO of lp.net for once.

baal for mod.

On February 03 2012 22:26 whamm! wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 21:49 barbieman wrote:   On February 03 2012 21:30 whamm! wrote: Seriously, what effect does online bashing in a poker forum have? 93% sure everyone is nicer in real life so there's no point in it except make the site more interesting. I'm sure if we had some sort of huge LP meetup everyone will just laugh about everything. and we'd all have sex, and then laugh about it because we all got a little too much to drink last night. hahaha.. right guys? now that's just being gay haha

and a disturbing post honestly.

On February 03 2012 18:04 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props. nice wishy washy arguments with no specifics. O you dont think making loads of money while your young is pretty cool? Then what have you done that is? Shit talking people better than you on internet forums because you can't measure up, so you have to convince your self what they've achieved is worthless? Fkn tard.

What are you babbling about when you say he's shit talking because he can't measure up? In poker? Superiority complex in poker translates to life as a whole for sure right? I don't know. I know a fair amount of successful ($$/job and/or other things) people outside of the poker world. And they're all pretty much confident in themselves to never have to be a little bitch bragging about what their hard work or intelligence has earned. It's already out there for everyone to see as it is. Maybe brag's not even the right word. All I ever see from any wobbly posts or threads up in here is just mass degradation of others because they're not as smart as you in poker or something. I think being able to make a lot of money at poker has value even beyond the money unlike drone initially said...obviously there's individual value even if you could argue there's not much value to society. And making loads of money while you're young is indeed really cool. Plus all GF talk shoulda never been brought up. But well, you're a cunt. No two ways around it

"
To sum it up I've tried very hard and applied my self in areas of life which most of society has deemed to be important and in most cases have come out ahead~ I ain't saying im a genius or somebody that deserves praise because i've changed the way this world works or something. I reckon I am just far better than the average person in what counts in life.

And people for fuck sakes,

I am a 26 year old with self made 2million dollars who is amongst the best players in his country and amongst the elites in the world in his profession. I work from home yet I spend loads of time travelling and seeing the world. I am healthy, I am in love and I have amazing relationships with my family and close friends.

So give me a break for fuck sakes, If I cant feel superior now then please list what the minimum requirements I need to meet to say I am superior than most of the world.
"

wobbly is a talented poker beast for sure but sounds like a real prick. From what I see in his posts he seems like a really socially awkward insecure guy that uses his winnings from poker to feel superior to others.

still baller as fuck tho

On February 03 2012 15:01 dogmeat wrote: everyone cheerleading for elky while he doesnt even know lp still exists

Well fuck I didn't expect this thread to get so much attention. I'm just thankful for the good players at LP and think if people show some appreciation we won't lose them. Like Raszi it was sick you were on HSP and sick you still come around. It would be sick if elky came back and others as well.

jesus what a steaming pile of shit this thread is. thats exactly why im leaving it open. have at it you fucking lunatics

It's a shame how our community won't embrace our fellow LPers tremendous success. He's been here since the very beginning. Wobbly shared his path with us through blogs, hand histories and was never afraid to speak what's on his mind. Wobbly is one of the true LPers and the reason why some people show hate towards him is because of other crooked poker professionals who enriched their pockets with stolen funds. Those small group of professionals set a bad example of how scummy poker players can be. If the players are paid in full and justice is served, our community will realize how awesome wobbly is. Fk you howard.

Full tilt pay me

wobly au = fagbag btw that poll made me laugh my fucking ass off when i saw it

- post a small comment on page 1
- come back at 3:30 AM
- see rest of thread
-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oh man I trolled one line about wobbly. Shit blew up and Baal was the only one to call me on it. All hail baalim.

I play a cynical asshole on lp, i'll give you that

Kinda like the cynical brit.

On February 03 2012 18:52 dogmeat wrote: maruius r u drunk?

No, I don't drink well

wow, threads like this is when you realise humanity is fucked. Sad world.

Ok, let's turn the thread around. Let me go look for some notes!!

The 5 biggest regret men have on their deathbed

1 - Wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

2 - Wish I didn't work so hard.

3 - I wish I'd had the courage to express my feelings.

4 - I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.

5 - I wish that I had let myself be happier.

On February 03 2012 18:04 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 10:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: for me it's because I actually think he's a pretty horrible person and him being good at poker doesn't change that at all. most other big winners have struck me as fairly cool people, wobbly however is just a vain braggart and if anything, an embodiment of what I dislike about the poker community. wow look at me I can make lots of money doing nothing of value, please give me props. nice wishy washy arguments with no specifics. O you dont think making loads of money while your young is pretty cool? Then what have you done that is? Shit talking people better than you on internet forums because you can't measure up, so you have to convince your self what they've achieved is worthless? Fkn tard.

Way to prove him right about everything he said. You can't even just brush off the opinion of someone who doesn't like you, you have to again show yourself as the better one of the two. So what if he doesn't like you, you have such little self-belief that it wounds you? If you were truly happy with your life and it afforded sufficient meaning to you, you wouldn't feel the need to tell people that they can't measure up to you. You fail to realize that these types of statements are exactly why people can't stand you, and they only show how much you want to be acknowledged by others, and how much their opinion of you really matters. You are like a child saying: "please pay attention to me, please pat my back, please make me feel like I am worth something".

Many people are not possessed by the imperialistic urger to acquire and to own, because they realize it doesn't afford much meaning. I would assume that Drone is one of those people, and he's probably much happier than you are by contributing something to society. I'm in the same boat as him, I don't think it's meaningful, I don't think it's worth aspiring to. Is that what you want to remember in old age, how great you were at poker? How you won $150k in two days? Is that what you want written as your epitaph? "One of the many young guys who won a lot of money on the internet?" Oh wait, so you had a lot of sex with a lot of girls as well, so I guess we should add something about that too. How about : "Poker player who made a lot of money. Also liked to fuck a lot." Makes you feel special enough?

Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too.

I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum.

does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge?

I would not say it's discrediting his success. We are discrediting his attitude - his superiority complex, the need for attention and confirmation. I think Loco sums it up pretty well. The funny part is that people mention it and then Wobbly bashes them with arguments that pretty much only proves their point.

On February 03 2012 18:19 dogmeat wrote: in b4 neilly

This. Only reason why I read the whole thread. As always, Neilly delivered

I do, they are pretty articulate and semi cool, but still just a really aggressive bash.

Maybe just me, but I feel there's always a higher road to take, no matter if you feel 100% entitled and feel you have a "green" light to go at it. It will either end in win/lose or lose/win or some form of resentment, either if you write the sickest, most articulate bash/attack post ever written, it'd still be shit long term, due to all the resentment/hurt you put on your victim.

On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum.

almost 10k posts and you have no clue whats going on. All of this has nothing to do with his successes, most of us have acknowledged that fact and noone is disputing his skill.

What we are annoyed by is that all he does is brag and tell people how he makes more $$$, which he uses to justify his superiority to normal LP'ers. When in fact hes at the bottom of the social ladder, probably lives a more stressful and unfulfilled life than us, as shown by how he conducts himself with his insecurities. Theres more to life than making $$$ playing online poker.

Hmm, got a pretty sore throat this morning. Anyone got any good tips, maybe it's an incoming flu? I wonder if it's possible to stop it before it takes root, really don't want to get sick now.

On February 04 2012 06:54 tutz wrote: does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge?

probably lots of people, but a lot of the time you'd be missing out

On February 04 2012 06:54 tutz wrote: does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge?

Schopenhauer said that we forfeit three-fourths of ourselves in order to be like other people. I make sure not to forfeit so much.

If you only read the people who think and talk like everyone else, you just end up thinking and talking like everyone else. Not a very appealing thought.

On February 04 2012 06:54 tutz wrote: does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge?

Seriously, Loco's posts are among the best on the site. Always well written and informative.

On February 04 2012 07:29 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 06:54 tutz wrote: does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge? Schopenhauer said that we forfeit three-fourths of ourselves in order to be like other people. I make sure not to forfeit so much. If you only read the people who think and talk like everyone else, you just end up thinking and talking like everyone else. Not a very appealing thought.

I'm not saying its a bad thing that you are so eloquent about everything that you say, thats is really amazing.
I'm just saying that your post are always so huge and I'm too lazy to read them
maybe if it was a very interesting thread about something I enjoy reading about I would read everything

On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum.

Many people have worked hard at what they loved, and they don't have the desire to put it in other people's face about how great their lives are and how better than others they are in most aspects of life. Those people, I'm quite confident, loved what they did much more than wobbly does. What unconsciously drives us can be quite easy to perceive in certain individuals, and I think it's pretty easy to see in wobbly's case. He is clearly driven by a juvenile will-to-power, which isn't satisfying enough in itself. Dominance over people, by itself, can only be satisfying to a certain degree; the other part is having other people acknowledge your dominance, and envy it. He reacts so strongly to criticism because it's disconfirming to someone who must feed on other people's acknowledgments for his self-worth.

As for the 'hate' towards poker as a profession, maybe it's because Eri has been there? Maybe it's just been his experience that it's not a very fulfilling life? Certainly he isn't the only one who has moved on to other things, I don't see the big deal. I remember SakiSaki's "life crisis" blog about feeling like he was just "that poker guy" now, and how much he had sacrificed for his success and that he didn't feel like it was worth it. It seemed to have left him hollow. I certainly relate to that feeling, because it was a big part of my life for some time as well.

On February 04 2012 07:49 SpasticInk wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 06:54 tutz wrote: does anybody else there never reads Loco's posts because they are always so fucking huge? Seriously, Loco's posts are among the best on the site. Always well written and informative.

#2

Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it.

On February 04 2012 07:02 flounder44 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum. almost 10k posts and you have no clue whats going on. All of this has nothing to do with his successes, most of us have acknowledged that fact and noone is disputing his skill. What we are annoyed by is that all he does is brag and tell people how he makes more $$$, which he uses to justify his superiority to normal LP'ers. When in fact hes at the bottom of the social ladder, probably lives a more stressful and unfulfilled life than us, as shown by how he conducts himself with his insecurities. Theres more to life than making $$$ playing online poker.

I was reacting to Loco's post that you failed to read. I don't get your attempt at insulting me?

On February 04 2012 07:57 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum. Many people have worked hard at what they loved, and they don't have the desire to put it in other people's face about how great their lives are and how better than others they are in most aspects of life. Those people, I'm quite confident, loved what they did much more than wobbly does. What unconsciously drives us can be quite easy to perceive in certain individuals, and I think it's pretty easy to see in wobbly's case. He is clearly driven by a juvenile will-to-power, which isn't satisfying enough in itself. Dominance over people, by itself, can only be satisfying to a certain degree; the other part is having other people acknowledge your dominance, and envy it. He reacts so strongly to criticism because it's disconfirming to someone who must feed on other people's acknowledgments for his self-worth. As for the 'hate' towards poker as a profession, maybe it's because Eri has been there? Maybe it's just been his experience that it's not a very fulfilling life? Certainly he isn't the only one who has moved on to other things, I don't see the big deal. I remember SakiSaki's "life crisis" blog about feeling like he was just "that poker guy" now, and how much he had sacrificed for his success and that he didn't feel like it was worth it. It seemed to have left him hollow. I certainly relate to that feeling, because it was a big part of my life for some time as well.

It is as good as you make it to be, there is no boss, no peers etc. Which means there is no external motivation either. I know long term players that are very fulfilled by playing poker, they enjoy the game and their life has changed to the better and they wouldn't swap. You see so many grinders that 'have been there' but they never really worked hard at using poker for living great balanced lives and they eventually burned out.

Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose

On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it.

If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly.

On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 07:57 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum. Many people have worked hard at what they loved, and they don't have the desire to put it in other people's face about how great their lives are and how better than others they are in most aspects of life. Those people, I'm quite confident, loved what they did much more than wobbly does. What unconsciously drives us can be quite easy to perceive in certain individuals, and I think it's pretty easy to see in wobbly's case. He is clearly driven by a juvenile will-to-power, which isn't satisfying enough in itself. Dominance over people, by itself, can only be satisfying to a certain degree; the other part is having other people acknowledge your dominance, and envy it. He reacts so strongly to criticism because it's disconfirming to someone who must feed on other people's acknowledgments for his self-worth. As for the 'hate' towards poker as a profession, maybe it's because Eri has been there? Maybe it's just been his experience that it's not a very fulfilling life? Certainly he isn't the only one who has moved on to other things, I don't see the big deal. I remember SakiSaki's "life crisis" blog about feeling like he was just "that poker guy" now, and how much he had sacrificed for his success and that he didn't feel like it was worth it. It seemed to have left him hollow. I certainly relate to that feeling, because it was a big part of my life for some time as well. It is as good as you make it to be, there is no boss, no peers etc. Which means there is no external motivation either. I know long term players that are very fulfilled by playing poker, they enjoy the game and their life has changed to the better and they wouldn't swap. You see so many grinders that 'have been there' but they never really worked hard at using poker for living great balanced lives and they eventually burned out. Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose

He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz

I know there are many advantages to poker. It has allowed me a lot of freedom. Maybe too much, in fact. The thing is, you just don't know if it ended up being a good thing or a bad thing. It might seem to be good right now, but in reality it might have come at a very hefty price.

The idea of 'balance', to me, is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone aspires to it, but no one ever achieves it. To be a good poker player, you need to be obsessive, not balanced. If you are not pushed by an obsession, you are not going to be able to improve enough. And if you have to feed this obsession, it means other aspects of life have to suffer, there's no way around it. That's why I'm saying: you never really know if it ended up being for the better, unless you used it for a while as a means to an end and succeeded, and then moved on.

On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly.

It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up.

Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it.

this thread = school for wobbbly if he listens.

I never actually played even close to full-time poker. it's been a non-activity or a part-time hobby, I've been studying full time while working part time or working full time while studying part time for the past 7 years.

but okay, I guess I opened this can of worms so I'll write down some more of my thoughts.

I definitely don't have any problems with poker players. everyone wants what they perceive as best for themselves (not to be confused with everyone is inherently selfish), and we're all living in societies that to greater or smaller degrees cultivates this image that to be happy is to be successful and that to be successful is to be wealthy. 5-6-7 years ago, poker was arguably the best way for reasonably intelligent young people to quickly attain wealth, and the lifestyle it offered (choosing your own working hours) is also easy to combine with other aspects of living life to the fullest (for example travelling). I definitely do not blame anyone for jumping on the opportunity to make easy money. (and man, for anyone saying "but dude poker is so emotionally stressful, it's so fucking hard and challenging", just fuck off. it's the easiest possible way to make money for the mathematically and analytically capable, and for everyone else, it should never be more than a hobby. and don't kid yourselves, the reason why we, a bunch of ex-gamers, many of us whom would qualify for being the underachiever poster boy jumped on this, is because it allowed us to have fun and avoid responsibility for even longer.)

But: online poker is far and away from a noble profession. Virtually every online poker player I've encountered, has been absolutely delighted to find themselves on a table with a tilting whale. The way poker works, is that you have lots of guys who invest amounts of money that to them are insignificant, some guys who completely fuck themselves over (yes yes arguably many of these would've found equally devastating ways to addict themselves to death), some guys who win some money, a few guys who win a lot of money, and semi-criminal companies that are so greedy they can't even pay taxes from their 9 digit incomes from organizing this whole, redistribution of wealth. The sad thing is, that the way poker works, with it being a game of skill requiring a certain degree of intelligence, is that it redistributes wealth in the opposite way of what it should; you have some guys who work regular jobs, keep wheels of society running and whatnot, who donate money to a smarter segment of the population who don't work and who don't have to apply their intelligence into attaining an education that can somehow contribute to the betterment of the world. While I'm sad for those individuals who lost their professions and or money after black friday, I think it's overall positive that the option of poker is no longer attractive for intelligent 18 year olds.

So, while I'm not going to condemn poker players, I definitely don't think it's something deserving of props. And if you won a million from poker, it means you essentially caused others, who probably needed at least 800000 of that million more than you did, to lose money. And while you, the winning player, know that it's a game of skill and that the inferior player has no chance of winning on a long term basis, the losing player lacks this awareness, and thinks he has a fair chance at winning money himself. Traditionally, stuff that allows some people to profit from other people's faulty belief that they themselves might profit, has a name that brings up severly negative connotations; a SCAM.

Now, describing poker players as scammers isn't fair. Most don't consciously think about the societal consequences of their actions, or they live in worse societies than I do, ones where they don't feel that contributing to the status quo is a positive, and like I said, the motivation of poker players isn't any different from my own (wanting an as good life as possible). But there's nothing noble about it. It's not particularly challenging if the genetical lottery had a reasonably positive outcome for you. It's not demanding - it's lazy. And that's all fine and dandy, I guess I've specified it enough times, but I'll do it again; I have nothing against poker players. Until you try to use your success at poker to give yourself the leverage you need to convince yourself and others that you are superior to them, where you start rubbing your success at taking money from less smart people in the faces of others, when you're so arrogant that even fellow poker players part of the same community as you can't stand you. It's like, when someone is really really good at something, but still hated by others who do the same activity, when fanboyism is defeated by disgust, it indicates a serious, serious attitude problem. Normally, being successful at something gives you behavioral leeway (I've experienced this first hand), but there's a limit.

I mean, I know some people who are on the verge of finishing their medical education. For most, the desire to be a doctor stems from a combination of three different desires; wanting status, wanting money, and wanting to have a meaningful profession that helps out people. for some, the desire to be helpful is stronger in relation to the others, for others, the desire for status is the ultimate motivator. those people are now, 6 years after starting their studies, 6 digits in debt. wobbly has played poker during the same period of time, and has achieved the ultimate goal of having a 7 digit bank account. and he wants props? wtf. my doctor friends don't make even nearly as arrogant statements - but they deserve props. I'm happy this thread has turned out like it has, because if someone like wobbly wasn't bashed, it'd be a strong indicator of a sick society, but for those who actually aspire to be like him.. please find a better hero. You even have reasonably noble poker players, who use poker as a method of attaining great wealth which they can use to fund charities - this is also something you can aspire to. but wobbly who just wants it so he can be a rich baller yo?

no respect

congrats wobbly

wobby is now the coolest guy in school that everyone talks about and people love him, hate him, and love to hate him

jesus....so he has an ego, who doesnt? he doesnt come across as any more of a braggart to me than some of the 25nl and 50nl regs who post graphs . only difference is wobbles is doing it at high stakes and now some nosebleeds. and instead of spending lavishly and balling out of control it seems he saves some money, lives an expensive, but reasonable, lifestyle. and everyones online persona is probably a little different than in person.

cheers to ya

On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 07:57 Loco wrote:   On February 04 2012 06:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wobbly made a lot of money while working hard at what he loved. Really I don't get this hate to poker as a profession coming from eri and some other guys. Wobbly fails at what one thing most people that are the best in their field have - humility, be he will learn that one day too. I fail to see why people try to discredit his undisputed success he achieved in his profession, especially on a poker forum. Many people have worked hard at what they loved, and they don't have the desire to put it in other people's face about how great their lives are and how better than others they are in most aspects of life. Those people, I'm quite confident, loved what they did much more than wobbly does. What unconsciously drives us can be quite easy to perceive in certain individuals, and I think it's pretty easy to see in wobbly's case. He is clearly driven by a juvenile will-to-power, which isn't satisfying enough in itself. Dominance over people, by itself, can only be satisfying to a certain degree; the other part is having other people acknowledge your dominance, and envy it. He reacts so strongly to criticism because it's disconfirming to someone who must feed on other people's acknowledgments for his self-worth. As for the 'hate' towards poker as a profession, maybe it's because Eri has been there? Maybe it's just been his experience that it's not a very fulfilling life? Certainly he isn't the only one who has moved on to other things, I don't see the big deal. I remember SakiSaki's "life crisis" blog about feeling like he was just "that poker guy" now, and how much he had sacrificed for his success and that he didn't feel like it was worth it. It seemed to have left him hollow. I certainly relate to that feeling, because it was a big part of my life for some time as well. It is as good as you make it to be, there is no boss, no peers etc. Which means there is no external motivation either. I know long term players that are very fulfilled by playing poker, they enjoy the game and their life has changed to the better and they wouldn't swap. You see so many grinders that 'have been there' but they never really worked hard at using poker for living great balanced lives and they eventually burned out. Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz I know there are many advantages to poker. It has allowed me a lot of freedom. Maybe too much, in fact. The thing is, you just don't know if it ended up being a good thing or a bad thing. It might seem to be good right now, but in reality it might have come at a very hefty price. The idea of 'balance', to me, is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone aspires to it, but no one ever achieves it. To be a good poker player, you need to be obsessive, not balanced. If you are not pushed by an obsession, you are not going to be able to improve enough. And if you have to feed this obsession, it means other aspects of life have to suffer, there's no way around it. That's why I'm saying: you never really know if it ended up being for the better, unless you used it for a while as a means to an end and succeeded, and then moved on.

Yeah it does :O
Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters.

Well and balance being ridiculous, that really depends on how disciplined you are no? It takes some 2-3 hours per day on average for social contact and excercise, healthy food takes almost no extra time. If you have strong discipline you can have 12 hours for poker per day and have a healthy lifestyle at the same time. It's not easy for sure though I know that, but I am anything but a disciplined person

So where's howard

At the end of the year someone should hold an LP Forums Oscars. We can nominate this thread for biggest pile of shit category. Lets go 10 pages!

I have to laugh a bit at this thread, and all the wobbly bashing going on.

LP is FULL of arrogant "I'm a baller, you're not" poker stars who have high opinions of themselves and low opinions of others. Apparently it's ok to be condescending and insulting to players below your ability, but hard to take when you yourself get the same from a player above your ability.

There is far too much of that attitude around this joint, a lot of pots in this thread calling the kettle black. Maybe instead of jumping on the "bash wobbly" bandwagon, one should take some personal reflection and examine the way they themselves act towards others, instead of this preachy nonsense about what a terrible attitude this one player has.

On February 04 2012 01:39 Daut wrote: jesus what a steaming pile of shit this thread is. thats exactly why im leaving it open. have at it you fucking lunatics

QFT haha Daut. That made me laugh pretty hard. Unfortunately I also just lost 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back .

On February 04 2012 08:44 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly. It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up. Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it.

people have mentioned wobbly's insecurities a few times in this thread. insecurity is a sign of someone not thinking highly of himself but wanting to. i do believe wobbly has humility, but its not easy for his outward persona to show it if it has any ties to poker (a place where he doesnt have any insecurities). he definitely wants to be as powerful in all aspects of life as he is in poker, but i think its obvious he realizes hes not and is insecure about certain things.

i think wobbly has a deeper well for humility than I do. im a jack of all trades kind of guy who prides himself at being "good" at everything, but im really not great at anything. and i really dont like to suck at anything. wobbly definitely sucks at some stuff and he knows it, so i think he has humility, just not when it comes to poker. whereas i have some humility from knowing there are going to be others out there that are better than me in every single aspect of life, but not a lot of humility because i think i am better than most people at almost everything. so i do think wobbly has room to be more humble and respectful of others, especially in poker, if he draws from other areas of life instead of drawing from poker first. wont be easy, but i do think hes capable

i also think that a lot of the attacks in this thread are based on older things. wobbly has seemed nicer, more helpful, less arrogant and less of a braggart in the past ~8 months than he used to be. and i cant really blame him for resorting to his old ways in this specific thread. if for ~40 posts before I saw a thread everyone called me a shallow insecure asshole with an ugly girlfriend i cant say i would respond to well to it either.

On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose

On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz

On February 04 2012 10:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah it does :O Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters.

lemon i think loco's comment was referring to the way you phrased that guy's "healthy lifestyle" (saying that he cares about people and his family because they increase his long-term results in poker, rather than caring about those things because he's a halfway decent human being).

i don't want to put words in his mouth but at least that was my reaction when i read it.

On February 04 2012 08:44 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:30 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it. If you want to change and work on it, you eventually will. There is hope for Wobbly. It's just naive to think that. "Wanting and working" is not sufficient. We inherit our personalities: our drives, our likes and dislikes - we don't get to make them up. Humility comes out of a person who doesn't think highly of himself. It is first and foremost a relationship towards yourself, rather than how you appear to others. Like I said, he could very well work on the latter, and appear less vain than he is in reality. But he can't not, in reality, work on being less vain, because he cannot see through his vanity, let alone renounce it.

Most of what you say is awesome, I have no life, therfor I read a lot, this right here, it goes against 80% of what I've read on similar topics.

We do not inherit personalities, we do not inherit our drives, we do not inhert our likes and dislikes. Have a great sense of certainty that this is flawed.

Okay this is what I think of you LP http://i.imgur.com/zs0to.gif

No more negativity.

Outward humbleness is different from an internal-looking view of humility. It is possible to be a humble narcissist. To be humble is a social behaviour.

Synonyms for Humility: lowliness, meekness, submissiveness.
Synonyms for Humbleness: unpretending, unpretentious.

Then again, both of these words have multiple meanings. Just thought it'd be some food for thought..

On February 04 2012 08:12 Loco wrote: Humility is a trait you either have or you don't; it isn't something you cultivate. If wobbly learns anything about it, it will be about how to improve his skill at faking it.

I disagree with your assessment that people can't and don't change their world-view and/or behaviour as time passes. I have seen it in myself.

Wobbly is the good kind of asshole

Die Howard

I didnt realise there were so many psychologists on this site.

O god. just read some of the posts, everyone is using so many assumptions to judge me.. . Felt obliged to respond coz I am the subject, but i think i'd rather go play some cards.

On February 04 2012 12:53 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2012 08:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Take Ali 'Somnius' from pokerstrategy, his way of poker is a way of a healthy lifestyle, contact with people and caring about his family (he does all these things because they increase his long term results in poker), there aren't many jobs out there that allow you to do this to the scale you choose   On February 04 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: He cares about people and his family because it increases his long term results in poker? lolz   On February 04 2012 10:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah it does :O Try getting your hands at neuropsychology of poker, and the impact of neurotransmitters. lemon i think loco's comment was referring to the way you phrased that guy's "healthy lifestyle" (saying that he cares about people and his family because they increase his long-term results in poker, rather than caring about those things because he's a halfway decent human being). i don't want to put words in his mouth but at least that was my reaction when i read it.

You got it right, that's what I meant :O

People need positive social contact, neurotransmitters being one reason of many. And if you don't try hard, in poker is SOO easy to become completely isolated and start lacking social life. That makes the probability of burnout and loss of motivation so much higher, and even though in the short run obsession and saving those 4-14 hours every week is +EV, in the long run it's definitely not - spending time with family and having a good social life is definitely +ev in poker in the long run.

And pretty much 100% of poker players have the time, but most don't have the discipline, just look at how many people spend time in bullshit threads like this one and in the Rofl thread