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On April 19 2011 14:24 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2011 14:15 ShaperofDreams wrote:   On April 19 2011 13:43 [vital]Myth wrote: does anyone have input about the possibility of moving to canada to continue playing on / cashing out from FTP? stars announced officially that americans can do that on their site. will it work on ftp too? I think you would need a Canadian bank account and therefor proof of residence etc. You'd have to change all your info on FTP. If you do all that I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to cash out or play, since your account would no longer be subject to American law. I'm not sure though... yeah that's the intention - literally moving to canada, using a canadian address+bank, etc. i don't see why it wouldn't work either, but i'm wondering if anyone has read posts about people discussing / trying this, and whether anyone knows that it's confirmed possible or confirmed impossible.

I know yomers been actively researching and actually planning on moving/going soon so shoot him a PM and I think he can help you.

Also here's the thread on it
http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/968790/acquiring_canadian_bank_account_as_a_US_citizen.html

Just made a blog about it and did some basic research

i guess we wons see any americans joking about canada next couple of months

new hit tv show on mtv:

CANADIAN SHORE

cast: Hevad 'aka the circumstance'

and 7 other randoms

On April 19 2011 13:35 hoylemj wrote: On the 15th I requested to cashout my BR at PS. Normally I go with an e-check. This time, a check. This morning, on the Pending Cashouts window, the option to cancel the transaction was replaced by the message, " **These transactions require your attention. Please contact security@pokerstars.com. " I emailed them about 7 hours ago. Still no response. Is this a standard message for a check cashout?

i got the same thing and just cancelled when it let me. would rather have my money in the stars account than some black hole fucking frozen payment processor accounts

Pretty sure Stars officially mentioned that you could move out of USA and as long as you provide a new bank account + legitimate proof of new address they'll give you access back to your account. So unless you want to permanently relocate, you could probably just open a Canadian bank account and rent an apartment for a single month to get your moniez. Cashout and come back home, play live, play bodog, wait it out, etc.

The new UB site is http://www.ubpoker.eu/

When I logged onto UB today, I received a software update that gave a popup announcement that essentially said that "real money activity has been suspended for US players." I wasn't able to copy/paste the message but it was very similar/along the lines of the PS/FTP announcements.

The interesting thing is that US players can still play on UB real money tables so I'm assuming that the term "real money activity" in the announcement is referring to deposits/withdrawals. I went onto UB Live Help and spoke with a representative who said that updates/information about withdrawal should be forthcoming in the next couple of days. Furthermore, he clarified that the funds are safe and that "sooner or later" the funds will be sent to their owners, but there isn't an estimable time frame.

It looks like UB's trying to do their part, just a tad bit slower with updates than PS/FTP. Also, if their allowing US players to keep playing on their site is an indicator of anything, I think they're just planning to find new processors and keep operating in the US.

On April 18 2011 02:42 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2011 17:53 capaneo wrote: Baal, im not trying to spread any fears, Im just putting facts next to each other and adding up 2+2, if it is coming out five let me know. The total fine only in count 8 and 9 which is mentioned, but not limited to, is 4.5 billion dollar. read the indictment page 49, paragraph 56b and page 50 paragraph 57. Not only US will get the 4.5billion dollar. They will ALSO get "all of the defendants' right, title and interest in the entities, busineess and accounts described in paragraph 55" 4.5 billion is almost twice as much as Guy Laliberté's total net worth. It is almost 10 times the yearly income of entire Pokerstars and it is around 50 times the income of FTP. That is only the two counts that we know they are guilty of.[ It is not open for debate if US money was getting funneled into PokerStars or FTP. Its only the question of weather it can be proven in a court or not. ] Additionally, Page 37 of the indictment. Pokerstars is ALSO on the line for 1.5billion on count five (3 years worth of their income at the current level). FTP is on the line for additional 1bil count six(10 years worth of their income at current level) And both of those companies have 70% of their income from American customers. Who really gives a shit what Dwan and Galfond are doing? It is US Government vs billion dollar corporations fight and we have multi billion dollar, too big too fail, banks involved and on the US government side. And you are reassured because the 25 year old Dwan and Galfond show confidence and good heart? Again, read the indictment page 49, paragraph 56b and page 50 paragraph 57. Not only US will get the 4.5billion dollar. They will ALSO get "all of the defendants' right, title and interest in the entities, business and accounts described in paragraph 55" So if count 8 or 9 is proven. Not only US government will get all the money mentioned above and more. They will basically own Pokerstars and FTP. Why are you telling me Im spreading "unfounded fear". I am spreading fear based on what the biggest most powerful entity in the entire planet is saying they will do. You can choose to do whatever you want to do based on Tom Dwan or Pokerstars support is telling you. All Im saying is that I would think it is wiser to read the indictment and listen to the US Government story as well. Look at the facts. If Guy Laliberté put his entire net worth just to cover the fines it will not even be enough for half of it. And you listen to Tom Dwan? Also what I would say that someone like you,who does this professionally, should do is to just take all your money out of all these sites. Put most of it in a bank. And start playing on Bwin or Party or something. And then take a look back into Stars in 2013. Why is this not logical? How is this advice spreading fear? What you have to loose, maybe you live with a crappy software for a year or two. Maybe your win rate won't be as high for sometime. How am I spreading fears? want to propbet about it?, what odds do you lay on pokerstars not paying and on pokerstars dissapearing

Why in the world do I wanna prop bet about this? Im not gonna get paid either way!

But on a more serious note, the chance of pokerstars and FTP still being around is probably high. AltaVista which was once the most popular and reliable internet search engine is STILL "around". http://www.altavista.com/


The whole moral of my post was that it is NOT wise to take sides in this game. USGoverment nor PokerStars do NOT give a shit about you and your bank-roll and your life. So why anyone wants to bet their money against the US government or PS for anymatter? Just move to a site that there is no fighting. There are many sites that are reputable enough and are not about to get raped by the biggest swinging dick in the entire world. Why are you taking side in this game like as if PokerStars is part of your identity?

http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2...er-players-will-get-their-money-back/

Everything is ok. Were getiing money back.

Edit: looks like it has been posted already

On April 20 2011 10:30 Maynard! wrote: http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2...er-players-will-get-their-money-back/ Everything is ok. Were getiing money back. Edit: looks like it has been posted already

Good news. But the bad news is that now Americans will go back to complacency instead of raising hell about legalizing online poker.

http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/


yup... im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said.

On April 20 2011 10:51 Baal wrote: http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/ yup... im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said.

@Baal i am so disappointed. You were way more observant few years ago when I was visiting here often.
-Do you really think this has ANYTHING to do with what I posted about the future business of PokerStars and FTP?

On April 20 2011 12:46 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2011 10:51 Baal wrote: http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/ yup... im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said. @Baal i am so disappointed. You were way more observant few years ago when I was visiting here often. -Do you really think this has ANYTHING to do with what I posted about the future business of PokerStars and FTP?

he's part of pokerstars ONLINE team, didn't you expect him to blindly defend PS and say stupid things?

"He who pays the piper calls the tune."

On April 20 2011 13:03 ondik wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2011 12:46 capaneo wrote:   On April 20 2011 10:51 Baal wrote: http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/ yup... im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said. @Baal i am so disappointed. You were way more observant few years ago when I was visiting here often. -Do you really think this has ANYTHING to do with what I posted about the future business of PokerStars and FTP? he's part of pokerstars ONLINE team, didn't you expect him to blindly defend PS and say stupid things? "He who pays the piper calls the tune."

You're a moron

I hate the way people who want to write on Bill Frists wall have to "like" his profile first

so i keep seeing "X likes Senator Bill Frist"

On April 20 2011 12:46 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2011 10:51 Baal wrote: http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/ yup... im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said. @Baal i am so disappointed. You were way more observant few years ago when I was visiting here often. -Do you really think this has ANYTHING to do with what I posted about the future business of PokerStars and FTP?

Didnt i say this earlier? put your money where your mouth is, lets make a bet, lay the odds on Pokerstars giong out of bussiness.

sorry if it's been posted but are there any updates on how the sites are handling fpps?

double post//

On April 20 2011 23:12 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2011 12:46 capaneo wrote:   On April 20 2011 10:51 Baal wrote: http://jgarywise.com/2011/04/poker-ap...-doj-restoring-stars-and-ftp-domains/ yup.. im getting tired of always being right , eat it Capaneo and the other fools, at least you werent dumb enough to bet on what you said. @Baal i am so disappointed. You were way more observant few years ago when I was visiting here often. -Do you really think this has ANYTHING to do with what I posted about the future business of PokerStars and FTP? Didnt i say this earlier? put your money where your mouth is, lets make a bet, lay the odds on Pokerstars giong out of bussiness.

You are either a total idiot or you are just not capable of understanding written English. Why do you even mention stuff like "putting your money where you mouth is" or "lets make a bet on this" Grow the fuck up and stop your internet dick sizing match.

If you would have read any of my post while you had your brain turnd on you would understand the whole point of my post is NOT to bet in such events.

But you can put all your money on Stars or wherever the fuck you wanna put it and I wish you best of luck.

Jesus fucking Christ you are acting like a child. Its very irritating. Makes me regret even checking this forum after two years.

How (un)wise is it to try other sites that accept US players at the moment? I'm think of trying Cake Poker again.