The Coronavirus thread - Page 10

Fisheye, could you elaborate on the fibrosis statistics?
I have seen one article in SCMP from Hong Kong but it was kind of early-stage and inconclusive.
How many people does this actually affect and do we know how it happens?

I am sorry, there are so many information out there, I am in a different phase now. Cannot provide as much information anymore nor have the energy, sry but I am sure there are plenty people here that can point you.

Most important thought, if it is true, what is the harm of being careful about this, what is the cost? Cost-Benefit ratio is as out of whack as it can be right now, inform yourself today not tomorrow.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fda-experimental-drugs-coronavirus

Anti malaria drug apparently really good vc corona

On March 19 2020 17:58 CamilaPunt wrote: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fda-experimental-drugs-coronavirus Anti malaria drug apparently really good vc corona

its a parasite drug and its way too soon to tell, the sample size is nenglible

the new cases have been steadily increasing by 10% each new day compared to the previous one, even though china stopped the exponential growth

if west Europe is struggling imagine all these countries with poor government and not as much resources
Brazil is about to vanish from the map, its a complete jungle mess, Thailand might be another one with some other southeast asian countries which governors are full retards

why countries wait until they are totally fuck until they close boarders ? its not like it's going to get better before they do it, so why not do imediatelly ? Taiwan was taking heavy measures even before China

On March 20 2020 23:46 drone666 wrote: its not like it's going to get better before they do it, so why not do imediatelly ?

I get it why it struck Italy, but the rest of the world that followed suit had no excuse, Macron splicitly said he would not close border to Italy while the infections exploded lol.

lol ffs Harvard professor Brandon Adams predicting 5-10% to mad max on the doug polk youtubes

On March 27 2020 06:29 Jelle wrote: lol ffs Harvard professor Brandon Adams predicting 5-10% to mad max on the doug polk youtubes

10% seems high, but its a possibility, picture this, China lifts quarantine the a massive second infection wave starts, hydroxicloroquine and redemivir and the other treatments show no significant improvement and the vaccine hits a deadend and is years away from development, the worlld would change as we know it but I'd say that scenario is under 5%.

its easy to think we can rebuild very fast and we I think we would, however historically the fall of the Roman Empire and others which were basically civilization, it took the world many centuries to get to that level again, about the same time the empire lasted, so perhaps it would take us several decades in this rare scenario to get back to where we are.

Several decades almost coincides exactly with the rise of neoliberalism under Reagan and Thatcher. This is the pinnacle? Destructive capitalism? Perpetual corporate stock buybacks, corporate bailouts, and corporate socialism at the expense of the PEOPLE?

JP Morgan and Chase internally finding that we are heading towards human extinction but it's business as usual because they have $85 billion invested in fossil fuels.

Warren Buffet is going to get a freaking bailout. And if you look at his portfolio he's advancing the degradation of the planet and it's ecology. Same with everyones' beloved Bill Gates. It's sickening.

And just because we mostly have solidarity over the coronavirus may not mean shit in terms of solidarity in regards to human/social Revolution.

That is the most interesting piece of covid-19 for me. How do we come out of this for the better? And I can sort of do this on an individual level by educating myself and acquiring knowledge but I feel that I am really dropping the ball in terms of the collective as I don't have many of my comrades in my phone or on discord or what have you. It's hard to achieve solidarity when one is confined to isolation. It's hard to act when one cannot leave the house.

On March 27 2020 12:55 RiKD wrote: Several decades almost coincides exactly with the rise of neoliberalism under Reagan and Thatcher. This is the pinnacle? Destructive capitalism? Perpetual corporate stock buybacks, corporate bailouts, and corporate socialism at the expense of the PEOPLE? JP Morgan and Chase internally finding that we are heading towards human extinction but it's business as usual because they have $85 billion invested in fossil fuels. Warren Buffet is going to get a freaking bailout. And if you look at his portfolio he's advancing the degradation of the planet and it's ecology. Same with everyones' beloved Bill Gates. It's sickening. And just because we mostly have solidarity over the coronavirus may not mean shit in terms of solidarity in regards to human/social Revolution. That is the most interesting piece of covid-19 for me. How do we come out of this for the better? And I can sort of do this on an individual level by educating myself and acquiring knowledge but I feel that I am really dropping the ball in terms of the collective as I don't have many of my comrades in my phone or on discord or what have you. It's hard to achieve solidarity when one is confined to isolation. It's hard to act when one cannot leave the house.

We definitely need someone to blame. Its them, not us and definitely not "me".

What are you talking about Bill Gates is literally the billionaire that has invested all of his money into something purposeful, probably the only one apart from Musk

Also wrong thread

Also GJ to all Trump supporters. Too bad none of you will learn

wtf i hate trump now

what kind of orange asshole invents a deadly pandemic disease and releases it to the public

On March 28 2020 00:13 Spitfiree wrote: What are you talking about Bill Gates is literally the billionaire that has invested all of his money into something purposeful, probably the only one apart from Musk Also wrong thread Also GJ to all Trump supporters. Too bad none of you will learn

Bill Gates warned this would come, he has spend billions fighting pandemics and malaria and commie clowns think the state is the solution, the same state that allowed this to happen, everybody could be sailing through this like Korea but nope government has to fuck things up and here we are.


Yes lets take power away from Bill Gates, the impromptu builders of respirators like Musk, Jackma sending millions of masks and tests and lets give it to the bureacrats of the WHO, CDC and FED.

Bill Gates has a mixed record in his philanthropy. The malaria and pandemic research funding he has done is useful, but he has also supported anti-competitive businesses like cargill and monsanto, which use patents to protect their industry, on top of subsidies. This prevents third world farmers from developing food security for their nations, and also from developing a food system that's better for the environment. Vandana Shiva has called gates one of the biggest threats to farmers. His friendships with dictators/mass murdurer like Paul Kagame is also highly questionable. Why do western elites like this guy so much when he invaded rwanda, congo, assassinated presidents, murders journalists, and started two wars that killed millions of people? I can't help but think gates would be more anti monopoly if he hadn't made money through monopolistic practicies himself.

In any case, for billionaires the most useful thing they can do is to donate their money to the rest of the world, which sorely needs it. But he should listen to what people actually want and need if he wants to actually help them, as well as listen to the economists who study global food problems.

He worked with monstanto and cargill to develop drough resistant crops to stop starvatin in Africa for fucks sake.

No he shouldnt listen to what people want, that is a terrible idea, he should develop a plan in which he thinks he can help the world most effectively with his money.

And yes he did many many shitty things while building his monopoly

Developing drought resistant seeds is fine but why would you let monsanto patent it. Can you tell me that? Indian farmers bred seeds for thousands of years and never claimed intellectual property on it, now they are paying large amounts for seeds. It is not the only thing he has helped agribisiness on.

His plan is not good because he doesn't listen to people who know better than him.

He has not looked at the root cause of hunger in the global south. Serious people like Vandana Shiva, Walden Bello, and Yash Tandon have. If he wants to actually be serious he should listen to their perspectives. One is an activist and two are economists that have studied food shortages closely. All of them agree that it is a result of patents being used to enrich agribusiness, on things like the seed you mentioned. On top of various other things like environmental change, sturctural adjustment programes. It is not helping to stop starvation if third world farmers are forced into cash crops with volatile prices while their traditional choice of crop is undermined by subsidies from the rich countries, and it does not help if they have to pay big prices for seeds that are patented, rather than cheaper ones. I think Gates intentions are good but he is too out of touch and doesn't want to hear the truth about Intellectual Property.

Not all of Bill Gates money in the Bill and Melinda Gates fund goes to "charity." A lot of it goes to investments including large investments in McDonalds as well as Monsanto, Cargill, and other harrowing investments. They are all interrelated. He is basically wagering on agribusiness and subsidies and rigging the bet in his favor. (Water) and food is the most important need on this planet and he is fucking it all up.

We learn in the "Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals" by Kant that the motive is what matters.

I actually think Bill Gates motive is generally in the right place he is just misguided by who he is and where he came from.

Musk and Ma I believe are doing it for branding more than anything else. Same with any play that Besos makes.

Agribusiness is not our way out of the climate crisis it only exacerbates the problem. Heirloom seeds and seed savers are our saviors. Intelligent organic farming. Not shipping watermelons from across the world. Not overproducing avocados. All of our problems are a product of capitalism. Bill Gates is a product of capitalism. We certainly don't need growth in McDonalds. Bill Gates does. How do you guys think he "gives" all this money away and ends up richer????????????????????????????

same way you type 50question marks despite having only one key