The Coronavirus thread - Page 12

There's no reason subsidies can't come with conditions attatched. It is public money, after all. So if its the populations tax money they should have a say on how it is spent. That's how a tax system would work in a democratic society. But since our society is completely ideological in it's view that private capital is more efficient than the government at everything, and that taxes are theft, that presupposes that the government shouldn't tell businesses what to do. So that ideology has to be exposed to everyone, that we really don't live in a society where capitalists make it on their own, and that they receive enourmous benefits from the public sector and because of this the public should get a return on that investment.

You can't have free markets so long as advertisors exist, so you could perhaps picture a capitalist society that doesn't have advertising, or it could be a socialist one. Since im in favour of democracy (worker control), i think it should be a socialist one. As for highly restricting markets, that's just common sense. anyone who pays attention to the many market failures has to accept this. It could be things like feed in tarrifs for agroecology, or carbon tax. There are a lot of ideas out there. But i think markets can still play a role since they are an efficient way for making transactions.

Everything seems impossible.

I really like your ideas Stroggoz it just seems impossible. As if human extinction is more likely than say getting rid of advertising, the people getting a roi on their investments, or there being worker controlled democracy.

I'll fight for it though. It seems more reasonable than straight up anarcho-communism. Although I still feel like small communities could operate under an ancomm system rather well.

I'm rather calm and relaxed but am just in an overwhelmed the systems in the world suck and I don't see how they will change mood.

sigh... I dont mean they caused it directly, to pinpoint a sole cause for events in a absurdly complex system like society is silly, the assasination of Franz Ferdinand as the cause of WW2 is the text-book answer but it is in reality a silly answer.

The spanish flu killed mostly American and European young men, unlike COVID it created an auto-immune response, so the strongest the immune sistem the deadlier, given their age and origin these were the people who were going to build the early XX century and that drastically shifted and hard times followed. I wouldn't characterize the early XX as a fast recovery, it seemed that it was only after WW2 that the world took a different nicer turn.

Anyway this is derailing wildly.

Doesn't COVID kind of create an auto-immune response too, since it starts destroying the good parts of your lungs together with the bad and hope is the virus disappears before your lungs are fucked enough to kill you?

On March 30 2020 17:45 Spitfiree wrote: Doesn't COVID kind of create an auto-immune response too, since it starts destroying the good parts of your lungs together with the bad and hope is the virus disappears before your lungs are fucked enough to kill you?

No, the spanish flu caused something cytokine storms, its a deadly overreaction of the immune system, cytokines are basically the immune cells that give orders to the cells that actually attack the virus, so basically they go crazy, so people with strong immune systems die more than weak ones, that is why young men were the main dead demographic of the spanish flu, just like with autoimmune diseases, they are harsher on young men, women's immune sistem is less aggressive otherwise they would run the risk of their sistem detecting the fetus as a foreign object and it would destroy it.

The immune system destroys healthy cells too in every disease, collateral damage is normal afaik the way most ppl die from COVID is actually simple bacterial pneumonia, the virus depletes the immune sistem and then all the wounded tissue in the lungs gets infected and the body doesn't have anything left to fight the bacterial spread and then die.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-coronavirus-cases-world-map/

It is ramping up in the U.S.

This is not a drill.

On March 30 2020 07:06 Baalim wrote: sigh... I dont mean they caused it directly, to pinpoint a sole cause for events in a absurdly complex system like society is silly, the assasination of Franz Ferdinand as the cause of WW2 is the text-book answer but it is in reality a silly answer.

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+1 what Liquid'drone said

anecdotal but here doctors have been defying dep of health bureaucracies and treating patients with varying formulations of treatments for moderate to severe cases with extremely great results. the only common thing i keep hearing is hydroxychloroquine. in my area there are lots of chatter among friends linked directly to doctors using the same and also getting fantastic results. sometimes there's zinc, sometimes there's no azithromycin, sometimes massive vit c is involved.

it's a "trump" treatment so i dont expect government to launch it, since Xi has a stranglehold on our government atm. Doctors dgaf anymore so they just made a call or less the option is to let people get intubated and be dead in 2 days. note that azithromycin can have serious side effects like liver damage, so some just don't use that alongside hyroxychloroquine. i dunno im not a doctor lol

azithromicyn is just an antibotic, sideeffects are negible same wtih hydroxicloroquine, the side effects are being blown our of proportion to avoid people self medicating

CDC now recommending cloth masks for the general public. Tells us what we already knew: the whole "don't wear a mask" had nothing to do with preventing transmission of disease and everything to do with trying to reserve masks for frontline workers.

while at the same time the FDA blocked KN95 which is identical to the regular n95 for 3 months, so 3M sat with 30 millon masks that would cover all medical workers in the US in their warehouses.

Worry not people, these bureaucrats and their regulations are keeping you safe from unregulated masks!

It just got out that Buffett the archevil bailout benefactor has been selling a boat ton of airlines stocks at a huge loss


edit: ok it was only for $300,000,000 sorry maybe not a boat ton

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf+html

Dunno if everyone already knew this but news to me. This is a theory that "BCG vaccination policy" by country has a lot of predictive power / correlation to how much damage a country took off covid-19

so for example, Japan and Brazil have been doing BCG vaccinations forever and they are doing very well

Italy has never done BCG vaccination and they are doing very poorly

They did a lot of statistical analysis and seems pretty legitimate. I'm generally very skeptical on statistical analysis but this seems like it could be at least partially true. Even if they cherry picked, confirmation biased and cognitive dissonance'd their way to this conclusion it might still be a real variable because the data fits their hypothesis really strongly.

They also showed exactly their data sources so you could try to reproduce their results freely which makes it slightly more credible.

Germany is doing a 200IQ move and mix the probes of many patients in a single test, if the test is negative then they're all negative, if test is positive they call the people and test them individually.

On April 04 2020 01:26 Baalim wrote: azithromicyn is just an antibotic, sideeffects are negible same wtih hydroxicloroquine, the side effects are being blown our of proportion to avoid people self medicating

seems like azith is really strong Baal, we have zithromax here where Im from and although nobody gets liver damage for simply taking it, it's pretty strong and my wife and mom have taken it before and tell me so. I'm not familiar with hydroxychloroquine being sold here since Malaria isn't much of a problem here (only dengue), some people I know have lupus but havent talked to them about it. Thing is hydroxy has been taken even as a precautionary measure for decades now, seems pretty fucking safe. With zithro my guess is it can fuck up someone whos already battling for their lives and are already compromised and in the later stages Im really not sure. Anyway there are diff concoctions in how to use it and almost all have been successful considering it wasn't even designed to cure covid.


Fatal side effects of hydroxy is an absolute lie for the vast majority though, that's something I'm kinda sure of from what I've heard, read. I can't understand people who are looking for vaccines or 100% clinically tested, peer-reviewed shit when this thing is just 3 months old and lots of people are dying needlessly. It's a judgement call doctors are starting to make, kinda defying their China-influenced, bureaucrats instructions.

zithromax is a brand name for azithromycin and it is commonly over-prescribed for viral illnesses by primary care doctors to placate whiny adults with no coping skills that can't handle having a viral illness

On April 04 2020 15:24 Spitfiree wrote: Germany is doing a 200IQ move and mix the probes of many patients in a single test, if the test is negative then they're all negative, if test is positive they call the people and test them individually.

If the pooled test is positive then they re-test the reserved samples individually. Tracking people down to double-test them and potentially exposing workers to a known COVID patient doesn't make sense.

On April 05 2020 00:08 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2020 15:24 Spitfiree wrote: Germany is doing a 200IQ move and mix the probes of many patients in a single test, if the test is negative then they're all negative, if test is positive they call the people and test them individually. If the pooled test is positive then they re-test the reserved samples individually. Tracking people down to double-test them and potentially exposing workers to a known COVID patient doesn't make sense.

Makes sense, I was assuming they'd only have a single probe per person