The Coronavirus thread - Page 21

There's no debate on who should live during the pandemic. The virus is the one making the decision of killing the old vs the young. The debate is how much should we lockdown to preserve as much life as possible and in my opinion every variable needs to be considered when making those decisions, including the fact that the most likely to die are the ones with only a few years left to live. People that want to shut everything down so that 85 year olds can live to see 86 are taking for granted the fact the wealth and innovation from our economy is what allowed so many people to live to see 85 in the first place. In many places and in most of human history people typically didn't live that long.

Here is my opinion on the pandemic (do what you want with it):

(fact) Covid-19 spreads through aerosols (besides droplets)

(fact) The initial dose of SARS-CoV-2 determines the illness severity

The above basically indicates that absolutely anyone in the big cities worldwide has already faced Covid-19. Whether or not you had no symptoms, or such that ranged from mild to severe, depends on two things:
1) How your immune system handled the virus
2) How big the initial dose was

If you were infected through aerosols and you are a healthy person, in 99% of the time you'd be with no symptoms or such that are mild (common cold like). In that case most people won't notice at all they went through Covid-19. However, if you got the virus through droplets, you'd probably have more than mild symptoms even if you are a healthy adult.

Covid-19 being transmitted through aerosols means it's possible for it to be injected in the air. Whether or not this is the case, and whether or not Covid-19 is lab made is unclear. Whether or not the virus was active before December 2019 is unknown (there are people reports with Covid-19 like symptoms way before that date).

A proper vaccine is 100% needed if we want to get rid of the virus since only a very tiny fraction of the population builds anti-bodies without a vaccine.

My personal opinion is that most of the governments handled the pandemic in the most unhelpful way for their citizens. The worldwide accepted measures against Covid-19 and the disinformation coming from the official sources signify that the public health wasn't their first concern.

I won't speculate what is to come in the future, but the "big picture" isn't pink (or it is pink indeed, in the "Fight Club" pink way).

I hope everyone here is well. Take care.

On December 01 2020 17:16 Expiate wrote: The above basically indicates that absolutely anyone in the big cities worldwide has already faced Covid-19. Whether or not you had no symptoms

With "faced" you mean infected? If so, how do you reach to the conclusion that 100% of the population of big cities were infected?

If 100% of the populations of cities were infected that would mean that it's the mildest and most asymptomatic virus in history, yet at the same time it would be the most infectious pathogen known to man and also the only virus to ever being able to re-infect somebody multiple times in a short period of time.

Basically a pathogen wildly outside of anything we even know about viruses, or maybe perhaps your theory of 100% infection is wrong lol.

a pathogen wildly outside of anything we even know about viruses

Yes. People will continue to go through it over and over through the years (2-3 times per year). There is an easy way for someone to verify this - regular weekly PCR screening.

Its been proved the virus has been active much earlier than December 2019 - think official reports are from around August - September, but I wouldn't be surprised if its earlier considering how fast it spread

There is exactly zero chance of even most big cities to have already been through the virus cycle, that's happening right now.... that's why there are so many cases, and why the log chart, keeps going up

I agree that this will keep cycling through the population until a proper vaccine is done though. We might have a situation where we never have one and it keeps mutating out of the vaccine protection like it happens for influenza.

It's actually quite surprising that we haven't had a similar virus cycling through the population until now.... when you think about how "the flu" is basically a synonym to mild symptoms of cold or having a virus simply because the majority of the time you would have influenza. COVID-19 apparently already has a few thousand mutations, however the vaccines are allegedly supposed to handle them as well

On December 02 2020 18:06 Spitfiree wrote: that's happening right now

We don't know if these people are going through Covid-19 for a first time. They may just have harsher symptomatic now thus they notice it. If people continue to get re-infected with the virus and it was active since 2019 the chance someone in the big cities to have stayed "hidden" from it for so much time is practically zero (even if you isolate yourself in a basement and visit the surface once a month for food).

Your argument is that somehow millions of people all had mild a infection previously, that went undetected for literally the entire world...

Yes, at first the majority of people got the virus through aerosols. Later the infections from droplets and the virus concentration in the indoor places raised significantly resulting in more severe cases and jumps in the statistics.

Bro it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, no offense.

I would be very happy if I am wrong man.

Why? Don't you want to win a nobel prize in medicine with your revolutionary ideas?

You have it wrong. That would be the guy who made Covid-19, not me.

Right cause Covid was manufactured, got it

On December 02 2020 18:06 Spitfiree wrote: Its been proved the virus has been active much earlier than December 2019 - think official reports are from around August - September, but I wouldn't be surprised if its earlier considering how fast it spread There is exactly zero chance of even most big cities to have already been through the virus cycle, that's happening right now.... that's why there are so many cases, and why the log chart, keeps going up I agree that this will keep cycling through the population until a proper vaccine is done though. We might have a situation where we never have one and it keeps mutating out of the vaccine protection like it happens for influenza. It's actually quite surprising that we haven't had a similar virus cycling through the population until now.... when you think about how "the flu" is basically a synonym to mild symptoms of cold or having a virus simply because the majority of the time you would have influenza. COVID-19 apparently already has a few thousand mutations, however the vaccines are allegedly supposed to handle them as well

Influenza isn't a virus but a type of virus just like coronavirus.

The vaccine is targeted for SARS-COV-2 so it will erradicate it and probably offer cross protection to other human coronaviruses, the Flu vaccine doesn't erradicate it because as I said its caused by hundreds of viruses, so its basically just a shot that targets the influenza viruses that are going around the world that time.

So one of the mutations appears to be troublesome and possibly avoids existing antibodies and can infect people that already had the original strain. Many countries started banning people from the UK since that's where it's found

Appears that there is not enough data, it's only confirmed that the virus spreads almost twice faster than the original strain though, the double-infection is not confirmed yet.... potentially we got a vaccine but in the mean time the virus mutate well enough that we need another one....

There are already over 4000 mutations but almost all of them are insignificant... this strain appears to be an actual issue though

On December 20 2020 23:10 Spitfiree wrote: So one of the mutations appears to be troublesome and possibly avoids existing antibodies and can infect people that already had the original strain. Many countries started banning people from the UK since that's where it's found Appears that there is not enough data, it's only confirmed that the virus spreads almost twice faster than the original strain though, the double-infection is not confirmed yet.... potentially we got a vaccine but in the mean time the virus mutate well enough that we need another one.... There are already over 4000 mutations but almost all of them are insignificant... this strain appears to be an actual issue though

Most of Europe and other countries banned travel from UK, however cases of this strain has been detected in italy and netherlands, however most of the countries still have their borders open if you thought governments learned anything from this, think twice.

Moderna took like 60 days to develop its vaccine, so the age of year-long vaccine development is over... however the year long bureaucratic mess that is testing keeps on living.

Might be a political bullshit since the strain is known since March but nothing was done and only now do they decide all of those measures exactly when Brexit is due too...

On December 22 2020 08:01 Spitfiree wrote: Might be a political bullshit since the strain is known since March but nothing was done and only now do they decide all of those measures exactly when Brexit is due too...

This is interesting. Do u have any more info on this?

Fuck Xhina ok?

On December 29 2020 12:53 whammbot wrote: Fuck Xhina ok?

A lot of people say that