The Coronavirus thread - Page 9

That's just the reality of our universal healthcare - it's standard to meet rude unmotivated doctors that just don't care, it's more about the numbers and little about quality of service
and know we're actually doing a lot better than NHS.

FYI if you don't believe me
- the state and state healthcare actively suppressed and shut down private laboratories that did way cheaper, reliable and faster tests
that showed corona on patients that the state healthcare turned down from testing (they discovered 2/6 first cases)


Also, your mother is a complete imbecile hack.

that's the reality of YOUR universal healthcare

Well that's all I know
- Czech and UK
so naturally I will go with my anecdotal evidence.
I am for universal healthcare btw, was always perplexed how someone as insanely rich and advanced as the US seemed to us when communism fell doesn't have it.
The reality just sets in when you need a response to something like this

Serious scientists putting real info out there at last!

I've never heard anyone in Norway describe a situation even remotely similar to what you described. Like out of 100+ anecdotes nothing even remotely similar to that. But yea you can totally extrapolate it to all countries with universal healthcare.

I was wrong you were right
our healthcare reacted slowly that happens to be state run.

Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments

"The valve typically costs about $11,000 from the medical device manufacturer, but the volunteers were able to print replicas for about $1" (40 cents at most if ordered from China)

Nice
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-f...ort-for-canadians-and-businesses.html

Finally some good news

UBI in Canada. USA and hopefully German to follow. At least we get some very overdue social reforms

hey guys, so a lot of people are not aware that this is not a drill and hopefully everyone understand now why I was so active past few days. I assume the next days almost everyone will be informed about this or can read through the forecasts and add 1+1. Will still post but not as much anymore, haven't had much rest lately.

You guys stay healthy, we will get through this, #HumanityFirst

Thank god bro I was worried u were not eating and or sleeping

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/?truid=a483eb07715630571e89ec5f844b8f6f&utm_source=the_download&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_content=03-18-2020

any thoughts on this article?

it basically says that when things get considered safe people will leave quarantine and another smaller event will happen causing the same drills to occur over and over until vaccine...vaccine expectation is 18 months so this will actually last about that amount of time?

On March 18 2020 18:39 Loco wrote: Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments "The valve typically costs about $11,000 from the medical device manufacturer, but the volunteers were able to print replicas for about $1" (40 cents at most if ordered from China)

Medical patents are out of control.

How nearsighted a company has to be to sue these guys bringing massive negative attention to them and their practices, if you are gong to be a cartoon villian at least be fucking smart.

I'm more interested in how this may reshape the world afterwards. Even if it's "just the flu" people are shook. My company closed doors and so far I've been greenlit to work from home (IT support, most of what I do is remote anyway). I see lots of amazon/fedex/ups deliveries every day. Grocery store shelves are being cleaned out faster and faster so it doesnt appear the panic is dying out, and all this talk about how "consumption hasnt changed, supply lines are still intact" doesnt seem to be holding much water. I dont know if people are just hoarding everything besides TP now or what, but I'm eating cereal with skim milk and peanut butter sandwiches with some weird $7/loaf banana grain bread because it was all that was left. But I've only had to put 5 miles in my car in the last week. My tank may hang at 50% for the next year at this rate. Everything i want and/or need I can probably order online.

I'm sure CEO's everywhere are sweating profusely at the idea of people no longer needing to wear a tie and sit at a desk in a big fancy building. Big box stores cant control the panic whilst online retailers like Amazon can. Some asshole wants to buy a pallet of toilet paper? Sorry sir according to you purchase history you have reached your maximum allotment. Right now grocery stores are putting little placards on every shelf saying "no more than 2 per customer" but people ignore it, throw tantrums in front of the cashier, or just come right back and buy again from a different cashier. It's totally unenforceable. But online shopping can restrict that. Boom panic over. Boom no more workday commutes. No more wasteful gas or traffic. Everyone who can works from home. Are these all good things?

Im freaking out at the idea this will last many months as its suggested there will be more than one spike of the virus...

the abuse of patents in pharma industry is something everyone across the political spectrum can agree on, i think.

there are basically two justifications the pharma industry uses for patent: (im quoting from a book called 'the value of everything').

They argue that these prices are proportionate to the intrinsic ‘value’ of the drugs. ‘Price is the wrong discussion,’ declared Gilead’s Executive Vice-President Gregg Alton, responding to criticism over the price of Sovaldi: ‘value should be the subject.’ John LaMattina, former Vice-President of Pfizer and a leading figure in the pharmaceutical industry, was even more explicit. In a 2014 piece published in Forbes under the title ‘Politicians shouldn’t question drug costs but rather their value’, he argued that: in the mind of patients, physicians, and payers, the pricing of drugs should have little to do with the expense of biomedical R&D, nor should it be associated with recouping R&D investment. Pricing should be based on only one thing – the value that the drug brings to healthcare in terms of:

1) saving lives;
2) mitigating pain/suffering and improving the quality of life of patients;
3) reducing overall healthcare costs.

By this logic, water and food should be priced astronolomically high since human's can't live without. Water is even better at saving lives than medicine. And pharma CEO's should have to pay millions of dollars for every glass of water.

Their old justification was a little better, it was: we need these high patent prices because we have to spend money on research and development to get them. but someone discredited that by showing that RandD stayed the same as more and more patents were being issued. Also a lot of the patents are for me too drugs, one's that are essentially the same but modified slightly to preserve profit rights off the property.

On March 18 2020 18:39 Loco wrote: Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments "The valve typically costs about $11,000 from the medical device manufacturer, but the volunteers were able to print replicas for about $1" (40 cents at most if ordered from China)

i know that there are cases like with drugs where a national emergency can take precedence over patents. this happened in thailand to some HIV drug, they declared an epidemic to produce it cheaply as generics, but the drug company retaliated by pulling everything else out of the thai market or something

medical industry is unfortunate because it's run by sociopaths. please martin shkreli needs to raise the price of immune drugs so he can put the money into research...ing how much cocaine he can snort

people don't think about being patients in their own system, this is where ethics disappear

anyway evil can't survive on its own

like you can have the most sadistic serial killer in prison, if he has a toothache he will be like oh god please help fill this cavity, prison dentist.

On March 19 2020 02:58 NewbSaibot wrote: I'm more interested in how this may reshape the world afterwards. Even if it's "just the flu" people are shook. My company closed doors and so far I've been greenlit to work from home (IT support, most of what I do is remote anyway). I see lots of amazon/fedex/ups deliveries every day. Grocery store shelves are being cleaned out faster and faster so it doesnt appear the panic is dying out, and all this talk about how "consumption hasnt changed, supply lines are still intact" doesnt seem to be holding much water. I dont know if people are just hoarding everything besides TP now or what, but I'm eating cereal with skim milk and peanut butter sandwiches with some weird $7/loaf banana grain bread because it was all that was left. But I've only had to put 5 miles in my car in the last week. My tank may hang at 50% for the next year at this rate. Everything i want and/or need I can probably order online. I'm sure CEO's everywhere are sweating profusely at the idea of people no longer needing to wear a tie and sit at a desk in a big fancy building. Big box stores cant control the panic whilst online retailers like Amazon can. Some asshole wants to buy a pallet of toilet paper? Sorry sir according to you purchase history you have reached your maximum allotment. Right now grocery stores are putting little placards on every shelf saying "no more than 2 per customer" but people ignore it, throw tantrums in front of the cashier, or just come right back and buy again from a different cashier. It's totally unenforceable. But online shopping can restrict that. Boom panic over. Boom no more workday commutes. No more wasteful gas or traffic. Everyone who can works from home. Are these all good things?

Great, you are between Phase 1 and Phase 2. My arrogant believe is I am in Phase 3 and try to talk to people who are in Phase 4 or 5.

If you find others like you, or people that you heard of that you believe are completely crazy in their forecasts but otherwise highly intelligent and rational. Please direct me towards them (also please humanitarians, not cynical ones that inform nobody, despite knowing for weeks). I started a discord ( https://discord.gg/Zb3d4w ) as mentioned prior and I opened an email ( covid19important AT following the g with the mail.com). I think the best course of action right now is to be as informed / prepared as possible and try to get as empowered as possible to be able to get out of this with the least amount of regret.