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EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jul 03 2012 12:07. Posts 8915

Submitted by : EvilSky

PokerStars Hand #82798439552: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2012/07/03 11:36:16 ET
Table Europa II 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Desultory ($991.20 in chips)
Seat 2: jinshan0809 ($1486.57 in chips)
Seat 3: theobqaz ($2867 in chips)
Seat 4: Password222 ($994.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($1771.53 in chips)
Seat 6: 2PairWind ($500.56 in chips)
jinshan0809: posts small blind $2
theobqaz: posts big blind $4
Desultory: posts the ante $0.80
jinshan0809: posts the ante $0.80
theobqaz: posts the ante $0.80
Password222: posts the ante $0.80
Hero: posts the ante $0.80
2PairWind: posts the ante $0.80

Holecards
Dealt to Hero AsAd
Password222: raises $4 to $8
Hero: raises $24 to $32
2PairWind: folds
Desultory: folds
jinshan0809: calls $30
theobqaz: folds
Password222: calls $24

Flop (Pot : $100.00)

   Qh3d9d
jinshan0809: checks
Password222: checks
Hero: bets $76
jinshan0809: calls $76
Password222: folds

Turn (Pot : $252.00)

   Qh3d9d3h
jinshan0809: checks
Hero: bets $188
jinshan0809: raises $188 to $376
Hero: calls $188

River (Pot : $1,004.00)

   Qh3d9d3hJc
jinshan0809: bets $1001.77 and is all-in
Hero: ???



Guy is a 45/27 Chinese fish,not much history. I think he is capable of having some 3x here.
Common wisdom says if I call turn I should call river because its pretty much a brick but from experience fish usually dont bluff big, especially when deep. He jammed river pretty quick.
Thought on turn/river ? (mostly river :D)

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leos147   Iceland. Jul 03 2012 12:38. Posts 171

I'm not a cg player but I'd say this is basically a bluff or nuts kind of thing.
I like the fold here though, he might have JJ or 99.
Adxd maybe?
The min raise on the turn seems to be one of those things fish do with the nuts.. then again would he raise with a big hand?

 Last edit: 03/07/2012 16:08

Kapol   Poland. Jul 03 2012 15:47. Posts 4696

From a micro stakes player's point of view, where there are tons of fish, it looks like a turn fold, although I know it's very hard to make one. Call flop, check/min-raise turn is a monster almost always and it is basically inevitable that the fish will ship on the river. If, however, he's somehow miraculously bluffing on the turn, then I doubt he'll continue to bluff on the river. Especially this big.

BIBLE (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)Last edit: 03/07/2012 15:47

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 03 2012 18:30. Posts 4217

easiest call in the world vs this guy.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/975005
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/976684


vs a random fish i will probably min3bet the turn since i have position, then check the river if they call and check it back, which a fish will do 90% of the time. it puts them into a decision where they should 4bet jam turn with all their good hands but they never do it because in the face of aggression vs aggression, almost all the time they will revert to passive stuff like slowplaying.

edit: if it's not clear enough, this way loses less money vs monsters and still gains value vs all their semi bluff hands they raise turn with.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 03/07/2012 20:03

patti   United States. Jul 03 2012 19:38. Posts 550

Lol wtf Stroggoz?

 Last edit: 03/07/2012 19:38

casinocasino   Canada. Jul 03 2012 19:58. Posts 3332

evil please tell us you clicked call


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 04 2012 01:16. Posts 20070


  On July 03 2012 17:30 Stroggoz wrote:
easiest call in the world vs this guy.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/975005
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/976684


vs a random fish i will probably min3bet the turn since i have position, then check the river if they call and check it back, which a fish will do 90% of the time. it puts them into a decision where they should 4bet jam turn with all their good hands but they never do it because in the face of aggression vs aggression, almost all the time they will revert to passive stuff like slowplaying.

edit: if it's not clear enough, this way loses less money vs monsters and still gains value vs all their semi bluff hands they raise turn with.



this is preety strong evidence lol

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locoo   Peru. Jul 04 2012 02:04. Posts 4520

wow lol, please tell me you called!

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jul 04 2012 04:06. Posts 8915

ufff I think Im gonna take a few days off poker, later guys :-/


okyougosu   Russian Federation. Jul 04 2012 07:36. Posts 962

seriously its an autocall vs this guy

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Endo   United States. Jul 04 2012 15:24. Posts 884

LOLLLLL


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Jul 04 2012 17:43. Posts 6374


  On July 04 2012 06:36 okyougosu wrote:
seriously its an autocall vs this guy



omg lol wtf snap call lol


... like it is that easy w/o history

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l33tf0b   . Jul 23 2012 15:39. Posts 13

what i don't understand is if he plays this bad... how's he stacking for 3x - 4x buyins???

it seems like he's doing well but will donk it off afterwards?


YoMeR   United States. Jul 24 2012 14:26. Posts 12386


  On July 03 2012 11:07 EvilSky wrote:
Submitted by : EvilSky

PokerStars Hand #82798439552: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2012/07/03 11:36:16 ET
Table Europa II 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Desultory ($991.20 in chips)
Seat 2: jinshan0809 ($1486.57 in chips)
Seat 3: theobqaz ($2867 in chips)
Seat 4: Password222 ($994.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($1771.53 in chips)
Seat 6: 2PairWind ($500.56 in chips)
jinshan0809: posts small blind $2
theobqaz: posts big blind $4
Desultory: posts the ante $0.80
jinshan0809: posts the ante $0.80
theobqaz: posts the ante $0.80
Password222: posts the ante $0.80
Hero: posts the ante $0.80
2PairWind: posts the ante $0.80

Holecards
Dealt to Hero AsAd
Password222: raises $4 to $8
Hero: raises $24 to $32
2PairWind: folds
Desultory: folds
jinshan0809: calls $30
theobqaz: folds
Password222: calls $24

Flop (Pot : $100.00)

   Qh3d9d
jinshan0809: checks
Password222: checks
Hero: bets $76
jinshan0809: calls $76
Password222: folds

Turn (Pot : $252.00)

   Qh3d9d3h
jinshan0809: checks
Hero: bets $188
jinshan0809: raises $188 to $376
Hero: calls $188

River (Pot : $1,004.00)

   Qh3d9d3hJc
jinshan0809: bets $1001.77 and is all-in
Hero: ???



Guy is a 45/27 Chinese fish



i think i'd snap here and not really think too much of it...asian degenerate fish are the best kinds of fish ;D

eZ Life. 

PokerDoc88   Australia. Oct 10 2012 06:03. Posts 3526

Interesting hand...lol hope you called

Haven't posted here for a while...is online poker legal in China now?


Rapoza   Brasil. Oct 10 2012 09:27. Posts 1612

--- Nuked ---

Pouncer Style 4 the win 

el_tilon   Canada. Oct 10 2012 12:47. Posts 296

i will shove the turn :$

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EvilSky    Czech Republic. Oct 10 2012 12:52. Posts 8915

lol cmon man wtf just when I forgot about this hand... I was annoyed for days after this , kept seeing stroggoz hhs with this guy cramming 4 buy ins with third pair over and over


YoMeR   United States. Oct 10 2012 17:21. Posts 12386

^ lol

U HAS ACES BRO

eZ Life. 

the cleaner   Cape Verde. Oct 10 2012 17:39. Posts 3013

rofl - evil bump

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes.Last edit: 10/10/2012 17:39

PokerDoc88   Australia. Oct 10 2012 22:49. Posts 3526

oops, didn't realise last post was 3 months ago...sorry to torture u EvilSky =P

Looking at the medium and high stakes sections, it seems like LP has quietened down a lot since I stopped playing and posting regularly, which is about 3 years ago now. Is this reflective of the current state of online poker? It was booming 5 years ago...not so much today eh =(


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Oct 11 2012 06:52. Posts 8915

I think it has a lot to do with almost no new members coming to the site and participating and a lot of the old ones that either quit playing or quit posting, Black Friday didnt help things either.


AndrewSong    United States. Oct 11 2012 22:06. Posts 2341

lol got a good laugh. nice bump


Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Oct 14 2012 07:04. Posts 4691


  On July 04 2012 03:06 EvilSky wrote:
ufff I think Im gonna take a few days off poker, later guys :-/



deathgod6   United States. Oct 17 2012 05:40. Posts 29

haha. good thread.


jinshan0809   China. Oct 24 2012 06:58. Posts 3

hello !

arrin ! 

SpasticInk   Sweden. Oct 26 2012 11:10. Posts 6284

lol


lebowski   Greece. Oct 27 2012 07:37. Posts 9032

rofl thread turned even greater

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Fujikura   United States. Nov 10 2012 20:37. Posts 1795

ahahahahahaha

aka SouL)Z(Isadie and SouL)P(Fujikura 

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Nov 11 2012 07:25. Posts 8915

how is this still the top thread here? can we bury this already? post some hands people -.-


jinshan0809   China. Nov 12 2012 07:58. Posts 3


  On November 11 2012 06:25 EvilSky wrote:
how is this still the top thread here? can we bury this already? post some hands people -.-



no buly thlead prease ! my kung fu stlong



arrin ! 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 12 2012 23:42. Posts 4217


  On November 11 2012 06:25 EvilSky wrote:
how is this still the top thread here? can we bury this already? post some hands people -.-



I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_au 

Baalim   Mexico. Nov 16 2012 04:18. Posts 32676


  On November 11 2012 06:25 EvilSky wrote:
how is this still the top thread here? can we bury this already? post some hands people -.-



you havent suffered enough

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Nov 18 2012 04:36. Posts 6374

sticky pls

ban baal 

hansen jr.   Sweden. Oct 20 2013 07:38. Posts 3735

lol


napoleono   Romania. Oct 20 2013 08:23. Posts 770

Epic bump. When the asian guy appeared. Haha


YoMeR   United States. Oct 24 2013 19:11. Posts 12386

ahaha this thread is still getting bumped up

eZ Life. 

hansen jr.   Sweden. Jan 21 2015 08:34. Posts 3735

I think he have a queen or a missed draw here 93% of the time so snap call


AndrewSong    United States. Jan 21 2015 09:59. Posts 2341

this tread never gets old lol


napoleono   Romania. Jan 22 2015 13:53. Posts 770

indeed :D


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 23 2015 19:23. Posts 8708

lmao there re ppl coming back to the forum just to rebump this :D


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jan 25 2015 03:59. Posts 8915

Why...


EvilSky    Czech Republic. Jan 25 2015 04:01. Posts 8915

With the amount of posting on this subforum this will now never go away... thanks a lot


the cleaner   Cape Verde. Jul 11 2015 10:14. Posts 3013

i would have called !

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes. 

whamm!   Albania. Jul 11 2015 10:52. Posts 11625

I agree. Easy snapcall against asian fishy


K40Cheddar   United States. Jul 11 2015 14:23. Posts 2191

I got trolled and realized this was from 2012 waaaayyy too late

GG 

Trav94   Canada. Jul 12 2015 04:55. Posts 1738

fold. Who needs 1k anyway. I like how this thread will never die lol

 Last edit: 12/07/2015 04:55

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Jul 12 2015 21:34. Posts 6374

i wasted 3 years of my life

ban baal 

Raidern   Brasil. Jul 14 2015 04:25. Posts 4192

i dunno why the hell i opened this thread nor why i opened storgnofnotns_nz hh with the fish in the op, but in one of the hh threads there was this hilarious wtf gif which i'd like to share (courtesy of byrnesam btw haha):

im a regular at nl5 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 14 2015 13:59. Posts 6783

Good bump.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

hiems   United States. Jul 19 2015 05:27. Posts 1499

We need to do compound interest Calcs on this thread on an annual basis.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 22 2015 00:43. Posts 20070

if you had called here and invested winnings in apple stock, you'd have like 20k

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

Baalim   Mexico. Jul 28 2015 22:05. Posts 32676

I miss byrnesam

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the cleaner   Cape Verde. Dec 29 2015 02:25. Posts 3013


  On July 28 2015 21:05 Baalim wrote:
I miss byrnesam



Me too !

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes. 

Sacr3D   Canada. Jan 09 2016 07:19. Posts 514

lol ridiculous


careface_   Canada. Jun 28 2016 07:50. Posts 788

Hey! Maybe he had you crushed!


dnagardi   Hungary. Jul 28 2016 12:37. Posts 1605

wtf


K40Cheddar   United States. Jul 31 2016 23:47. Posts 2191

Sick bump

GG 

YoMeR   United States. Aug 26 2016 03:51. Posts 12386

i'm 93% sure villain had A3 here.

eZ Life. 

whamm!   Albania. Dec 16 2016 06:33. Posts 11625

Ok I'll bite


YahtzeeFish   United States. Mar 19 2017 09:16. Posts 1

well, before I saw those other hands he played... it seemed like an easy fold. Is he really min bet bluffing with air on the turn? I would assume that he'd bet bigger with a draw to get you to fold. If he doesn't even think about those things, then I guess call.

I haven't played with him enough to really see his tendencies, but given that he could have any airball I guess you have to call.


hiems   United States. Aug 29 2017 20:18. Posts 1499

Wow just imagine if he bought bitcoin back then with this money.


wobbly_au   Australia. Sep 15 2017 05:38. Posts 6540

Hes repping too narrow and repping too obvious, I call here happily. You essentially vsing A3 or X3s or airball. Your hand is as good as QJ

The Last Laugh. 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 17 2017 04:44. Posts 4217

lol wobbly, good advice, it is always welcome even if everyone in the thread came to an understanding 5 years ago.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_au 

wobbly_au   Australia. Sep 27 2017 11:17. Posts 6540

man im itching so hard to play after all my years away.

The Last Laugh. 

the cleaner   Cape Verde. Dec 12 2017 07:06. Posts 3013

Yeah, I miss playing too.

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes.Last edit: 27/03/2019 11:34

the cleaner   Cape Verde. Mar 27 2019 11:44. Posts 3013

I miss EvilSky, has he been around?

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes. 

 





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