10,000,000$ Buy in SNG hosted by Fox Sports.

Holy cow :O
GEEZ

gogo Howard

Holy Shit!
I want to see Negreanu in this

On December 13 2005 08:00 The72o wrote: Holy Shit! I want to see Negreanu in this

You said it, maaan!

i hope Johhny Chan buys in but this is crazy

omfg didnt know poker pros are so fucking rich that they can afford to play and possibly lose $10M...

btw is it going to be "winner takes it all"?

I have heard of a $10 000 000 game before. $50k/$100k limit headsup. Know I have a pokermagazin where there is an article about it..

Who played in that headsup match?

ROFl...........

I can't imagine that there exist 3 other people that have that much $$ to throw around. Even Ivey would be denting himself pretty bad by buying in here.

hmmm Hellmuth said the biggest pot he saw lost was around 16$mill. in a cash game.. =). I like this idea if it's completely open to the first come first served entrants.

Huge game

I don't think all of the aforementioned pros can afford this. Johnny Chan is said to own 10 houses in USA, but his net worth is less than that of many other pros. Phil Ivey, the most successful pro with announced earn of 30 million dollars a year can hardly afford this game. Think about it, if you earn 100k a year, which isn't bad at all, would you dedicate 1/3 of that, 30-35k on a chance to sextuple up that has less than a 50% chance of working?

Anyway, I did a search on Google for the biggest games. Found an article on cardplayer.com about "Andy Beal, the affable Texas financier", suggesting to play in a heads-up limit game against Doyle Brunson(?). The guy suggested 100-200k blinds, Brunson, 15-30k. This article is about developments in the middle of the story so it's not quite clear from it what comes of all this. Anybody know? http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magaz...article.php?a_id=14320&m_id=65548

Hah, in another CardPlayer article, Andy Beal writes a letter addressed to the most renowned poker players. This here below ... interesting stuff

From The Desk Of Andy Beal Dallas, Texas Date: September 2004 To: Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Todd Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Howard Lederer, Chau Giang, Barry Greenstein, Ted Forrest, Gus Hansen, Lee Salem, John Hennigan, Ming La, Lyle Berman, Phil Ivey, Johnny Chan, Hamid Dastmalchi I recently read a story in the New York Daily News that is an unfair mischaracterization of my recent poker experience in the "Big Game" played at Bellagio. No mention was made that I won more than $10 million in the largest game ever played, $100,000-$200,000 limit hold'em, on May 12 and 13, 2004. No mention was made of the fact that most of the above-mentioned professional players have substantial overall individual net losses after having played many hours against me. I concede that I am a net overall loser in the Bellagio games, although the extent of my losses is often exaggerated and mischaracterized. These stories have become like fishermen's tales, in which the fish is always getting bigger every time the story is told. I spent four years learning the game from the best. Does it surprise anyone that I was an overall net loser during that period? Now, you want to reduce the stakes and refuse to continue to play at the previous betting limits. Does it surprise anyone that I have little interest in traveling to play in smaller games? My interest has always been the intellectual challenge of competing with the best, in games in which the amount bet is material to the people involved. I have played the best in the largest game ever played, and I won. I had a great time and a wonderful experience, but I have little interest in continuing to play the game, because of the time commitment and travel required to maintain excellence. Call me naïve (I've been called worse), but I believe that I am the favorite in a heads-up limit high-stakes game against most of you. For the record, I challenge you to put up or shut up about your "professional play." Come to Dallas and play me for four hours a day and I will play until one of us runs out of money or cries uncle. If your play is so great and your wins have been as large as you claim, you should have plenty of bankroll and be jumping at the chance to come and play another $100,000-$200,000 game and win a lot more money. I should add that you can bring your own independent dealers and your own cards, and can play in a different location of your choice every day if you wish. You should provide a slate of any six or more of the above players and I will pick from your slate who plays. Observers should be free to attend in order to record exactly what happens at this game, so it won't turn into another fisherman's story. My money says you will decline, and that says it all. If you accept, the resulting game will say it all. Either way, I will get to stop reading fishermen's stories. Andy Beal P.S. This challenge is for now (starting September 2004), not weeks, months, or years from now.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=14268&m_id=65546


Doyle's response:

From The Desk Of Doyle Brunson Las Vegas, Nevada Date: October 2004 To: Andy Beal I'm very surprised at the hostile tone in which you wrote this open letter to us. It doesn't reflect the true character of the man all of us have learned to respect and admire. While I haven't talked to everyone concerned in this, I believe I speak for most. First, I would like to apologize for any "fishermen's tales" that have been told. I know you are aware of the concern we have always had about discussing our game with anyone. I think you are aware of the way the media can distort anything they write about. I personally called you about the two writers wanting to write books on "the big game." After you had me give them your number, it appeared you weren't concerned with privacy any longer. You even wanted one of the writers to be an observer the next time we played. As far as your challenge goes, we concede that you have more money than all of us put together. So, why would we want to get into a $100,000-$200,000 game in which we would be underfunded? We are pros, and we know the disadvantage of this. So, here is what we propose: 1. We will raise a $40 million bankroll and post it along with yours. (Everything is contingent on raising the money, but I think it is very realistic that we can expand and raise it.) 2. We will play 30K-60K. If either side loses half of its post-up money, it can raise the stakes to $50,000-$100,000. There is an old axiom that applies here: Get out the way you got in! 3. We will choose who plays and when. 4. We prefer to play in Vegas, the gambling capital of the world. Most of us live here, and what would we do in Dallas when we weren't playing? This is negotiable. The first three points aren't. Andy, I'm chuckling as I write this closing paragraph. If Bill Gates came to Dallas and wanted to flip coins for $100 million per flip for four hours a day until one of you ran out of money or cried uncle, would you do it? My money says you would decline. Respectfully, Doyle Brunson

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=14293&m_id=65547

From another article about Andy Beal:

A new book by Michael Craig provides the answers — and more. The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King introduces you to Andy Beal, the Texas billionaire who is far more than just a “banker.” A genius with multiple successes in various business ventures, Beal pursues all of his passions with full force. When he got hooked on poker, he worked continuously to improve his game, going so far as to write his own computer program that would run millions of poker simulations and analyze the results.

http://www.cardplayer.com/cpcollege/article.php?a_id=71&m_id=2

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This is all unrelated but I just got curious about the biggest poker games and I think this will be interesting to some of you, though already well known to others.
Funny stuff

a 10 mill buy in? good god....






how can i qualify online :D

soah no Hellmuth has never lost even close to one pot for 16 mill ever. I have never even heard of a pot in one of the big cash games for over 500k.

The huge heads up match was between Andy Beal a rich texan banker and a group of the top pros. The pros didnt have enough money by themselves so they pooled their bankroll and then took turns playing Beal. So to get this 10 million it took all of the pros put together to get this money.

I really really doubt there are any pros willing to put up 10 million of their own money to play in this event. I would imagine any pro that plays will have a large large % of himself payed for by backers.

Ok as for who will play, Hellmuth has about a .00001% chance of playing in this. Hellmuth does not play the big cash games, he only play tournaments and there is no way in hell he has anywhere near the money needed to put up 10 million for 1 sit and go. The only way Hellmuth could enter this is if he got a huge huge amount of backers.

The players most likely to enter I would guess would be doyle, chip reese, and chan simply because these guys have had years and years to build their bankrolls and they may have the money to put up a decent % of the buy in. Ted Forrest and Negreanu both certainly have the gamble that would be required to risk that much money in 1 sng, however I am not sure either of them have the cash required. If they found some huge sponsers they might be able to enter.

I doubt Greenstein, Chau Giang or Jennifre Harmon would be willing to take this much risk in 1 sng, however I could be wrong about them and they might decide they want to play. If Gus Hanson had the money I am sure he would be more than willing to play, but with his reported struggles in the big game I doubt he has anywhere near the money to play. Todd Brunson will almost certainly not play simply because he very very rarely risks large amounts of money when he thinks he can find an easier game somewhere else. Todd Brunson is one of the best players in the world and yet he very rarely plays the big game for this reason. Mike Matusow, John Juanda, and Chris Ferguson I dont believe have the brs required.

So if I had to guess who the last 3 pros would be I would say some combination of doyle, chan, reese, negreanu, and ted forrest with possibly some other rich pro such as lyle berman stepping in.

BBM thats the one.. Andy Beal.. oh yeah.

AWESOME
i live 10 minutes away from where it is being held at.. yahooo
i noticed at the casino, half of the room which had roulettes, blackjacks were replaced with poker tables, and it was abeautiful sight, poker tables all over the room, it was great.. now i know why, they're preparing for July $10 mill :D

Oh yeah i was thinking bill gates also ...

it would be great if bill gates competates and promises to donate money some helping organization if he wins

wow thats sick. anyone wanna stack me?

sounds awesome

travis needs to get in there

whos Andy Beal? never heard of him

I'm quite sure whoever joins this will get decent cash from both the television station and sponsors. Of course nothing near the full buyin, but every million helps!

This is certainly sick. I would put my money on Ivey just b/c he does not give a shit about the money and he is the best NLHE tourney player in the world. He has said many times that there is no amount of money he would not play for.

On December 13 2005 11:41 nicksson wrote: whos Andy Beal? never heard of him

From a google search:
Andy Beal is President & CEO of Fortune Interactive, a full-service interactive marketing agency specializing in search marketing. Considered one of the world’s most respected interactive and search engine marketing experts, Andy has worked with many Fortune 1000 companies such as Motorola, CitiFinancial, Lowes, Alaska Air, DeWALT, NBC and Experian. Andy Beal is constantly keeping up–to–date with search engine news and online marketing developments and has appeared on CNBC and NPR (National Public Radio) and has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Entrepreneur magazine and many other publications.

Mig I wish you had read my short yet clear post properly =( I didn't say Hellmuth had played for that, I read him speak of the biggest pot he'd ever seen/heard lost/won. I never mentioned anything about him playing in it, I severely doubt he'd want to even if he could.

Soah, the biggest pot ever lost 'most likely' is the biggest one won as well

Sounds all very interesting. 10mil is huge.

i dont see how this is possible though
i doubt this will happen

10 million buyin? thats more than 1st in last wsop with 6000 players ~_~
it would make wsop 2006 prizes seem like pocket change

and theres no way any poker pro has enough money for this or would get sponsors or backings for that much money

They have their own sponsors They don't lose a lot of their money

On December 13 2005 09:42 BBM wrote: Phil Ivey, the most successful pro with announced earn of 30 million dollars a year can hardly afford this game. Think about it, if you earn 100k a year, which isn't bad at all, would you dedicate 1/3 of that, 30-35k on a chance to sextuple up that has less than a 50% chance of working?

The difference is the person with 100k is still balancing the checkbook, clipping cupons, etc. I'm almost positive Ivey earns more then 30 million a year (apparell, marketing for fulltilt), and even if he did, having 20 million left is still a huge amount of money. Todd Brunson won 16 million in one night; I bet Ivey comes close to that many nights.

I'd put my money on Ivey winning anyways.

10 million is sick. Poker is sick

somone gonna make suicide after loosing 10mil

When todd brunson won that he didnt pocket the entire 16 million, he was playing for the corporation so he only got his share of it.

10 Million dollar buy in. Now that's a ridiculous no matter how I look at it. Wow, I wonder how many people will actually sign up except for stupid billionares.

OMG ! 10 million :/

Ivey will put that up easily. Ted Forrest is one of the richest players actually, I remember reading about him, that when the other pros were struggling against Andy Beal, playing him with their combined roll one at a time, Ted juts joined in the game with his bankroll.
Doyle and Reese surely have more than enough to play, but I doubt they will do it, except if they get a really nice deal from the sponsors. Most of the other big pros got the money, but I doubt they will be willing to put it in there..

Actually, I really doubt this game will be played.. Maybe if they make some huuuuge qualifiers for 1-2 seats or some pros divide the fee 3-4way or something.
But now that I think of it, quite a lot of the big players are real gamblers... For example I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy Farha, Gus Hansen or Daniel Negreanu decided to join, not really caring that they've put a huge part of their bankroll..

Jennifer Harman is noted to of won the biggest cash pot ever, i think it was like 1.6mil. One of those random facts they post during the WSOP.

Where did this info come from, what source?

On December 13 2005 16:49 Klogon wrote: 10 Million dollar buy in. Now that's a ridiculous no matter how I look at it. Wow, I wonder how many people will actually sign up except for stupid billionares.

I imagine 6 players will sign up, as it's a 6-player tournament

Ah you're right lumberjack for some reason I just excluded the andy beal pots when I was trying to remember the largest pot I had heard of.

all the players involved will own like 20% of themselves, max

Australia once again shows it is the hidden powerhouse of the world!

Once again?

I doubt any players will put up their own money. Full Tilt will have paid for Ivey.

On December 13 2005 10:25 cremdrol wrote: AWESOME i live 10 minutes away from where it is being held at.. yahooo i noticed at the casino, half of the room which had roulettes, blackjacks were replaced with poker tables, and it was abeautiful sight, poker tables all over the room, it was great.. now i know why, they're preparing for July $10 mill :D

I doubt theyll be playing in the crown basement... I mean poker room .

On December 14 2005 01:42 byrnesam wrote: I doubt any players will put up their own money. Full Tilt will have paid for Ivey.

yes theyw ill put up 10 million dollars

ROFL : [

no rake from this one ? lol

1 million dollars rake of course!

On December 14 2005 06:19 SpasticInk wrote: 1 million dollars rake of course!

ROFL nice... I don't think this will be played.

what was the result in that match between dolly's team and andy whatshisname?



i've been finding the $10k buy-in for the wsop ridiculously low and outdated (it used to be a ton of money in 1973 when people signed up for it, and they should have gradually increased the buy-in over time), and it really messes the event up, but $10 million? that's just kinda ridiculous lol


maybe this will wake up the WSOP organisors, it's a bit laughable to call your tournament "the world series of poker" if there is an event out there with a buyin that's one thousand times as high.. how many people do they want to play in the WSOP next year? 10,000? god ;( skill is already meaningless in the wsop anyway so why not

They played multiple times, the pros won sometimes and andy beal won a couple times. Overall the pros ended up winning but they didnt win a huge amount for the stakes.

whoever wins will definitely get hunted down

On December 14 2005 15:22 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: whoever wins will definitely get hunted down

just like trump, beal, bellagio, gates, etc, etc get hunted down every day

On December 14 2005 14:25 Mig wrote: They played multiple times, the pros lost sometimes and andy beal won a couple times. Overall the pros ended up winning but they didnt win a huge amount for the stakes.

in other words andy beat kind of held his own? Mission accomplished for him then I think

On December 14 2005 15:32 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2005 15:22 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: whoever wins will definitely get hunted down just like trump, beal, bellagio, gates, etc, etc get hunted down every day

But they didn't take $10,000,000 from a guy's hands in front of his face. ;D

On December 14 2005 12:46 GroT wrote: what was the result in that match between dolly's team and andy whatshisname? i've been finding the $10k buy-in for the wsop ridiculously low and outdated (it used to be a ton of money in 1973 when people signed up for it, and they should have gradually increased the buy-in over time), and it really messes the event up, but $10 million? that's just kinda ridiculous lol maybe this will wake up the WSOP organisors, it's a bit laughable to call your tournament "the world series of poker" if there is an event out there with a buyin that's one thousand times as high.. how many people do they want to play in the WSOP next year? 10,000? god ;( skill is already meaningless in the wsop anyway so why not

I don't think 10k is "ridiculously low". 10k is still ALOT of money. Most people in the world don't even have an income of 10k a year. There are also very few people that can just throw around that kind of money. 10k is like half a nice car, a whole bargain car, or a downpayment on a cheap house or condo. The reason there are so many players in the WSOP is because a large percentage of them get there through satalites these days.

I dunno, unless you're suggesting it should be like the old days where ~50 people compete for a winner take all prize or something. But I don't think it will ever be like that again simple because of poker's popularity.

I would take place on July 2006 ?

"One ring to own them all"

On December 14 2005 19:07 MaidenFan wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2005 12:46 GroT wrote: what was the result in that match between dolly's team and andy whatshisname? i've been finding the $10k buy-in for the wsop ridiculously low and outdated (it used to be a ton of money in 1973 when people signed up for it, and they should have gradually increased the buy-in over time), and it really messes the event up, but $10 million? that's just kinda ridiculous lol maybe this will wake up the WSOP organisors, it's a bit laughable to call your tournament "the world series of poker" if there is an event out there with a buyin that's one thousand times as high.. how many people do they want to play in the WSOP next year? 10,000? god ;( skill is already meaningless in the wsop anyway so why not I don't think 10k is "ridiculously low". 10k is still ALOT of money. Most people in the world don't even have an income of 10k a year. There are also very few people that can just throw around that kind of money. 10k is like half a nice car, a whole bargain car, or a downpayment on a cheap house or condo. The reason there are so many players in the WSOP is because a large percentage of them get there through satalites these days. I dunno, unless you're suggesting it should be like the old days where ~50 people compete for a winner take all prize or something. But I don't think it will ever be like that again simple because of poker's popularity.

10k is nothing to poker players and professionals (lawyers etc.) You cant really compare it to the wider population, trailer trash spend that money on beer and smokes anyway. Its all relative.

i'm not saying it "should be" 50 again (although that would be fantastic in my opinion) but 5000 players sign up these days, it just takes all magic out of the event



back in 1997 i think about 300 people signed up and stu ungar managed to win it


I think up to 500 players is a cool numer

yeah
a WSOP ith 5000 player would be great

with a 30k buy in, 500 sounds right

no
bigger is better

a) higher probability of a nobody winner
b) crapshoot image
c) bigger money

the best thing to happen to poker this year was tiffany williamson

oh and dannemann

im sure farha would put his whole bankroll on 00 in roulette to get a chance to play this

On December 16 2005 16:26 Casper... wrote: no bigger is better a) higher probability of a nobody winner b) crapshoot image c) bigger money

it's supposed to be the world championship, I don't want to see a nobody winning. that's what we have WPT's for.

wtf... is this a publicity stunt or what... no way any of the top pros can put up that kinda cash.

Bump

I'd recommend that Craig book on anyone interested in a story like that. Pretty well written considering the information he was able to dig up.

Realistically speaking, I think almost all of the people playing will take some of the edge off by selling a good % of their action. Will def. be a good watch. D: