Oslo next to suffer terrorism

Half a year after the terrorist explosion in Stockholm, Sweden it seems like Oslo, Norway been targeted. A huge explosion detonated today hitting important government buildings.

"Update: 12:11a.m. ET, 6:11p.m. Oslo] State TV broadcaster NRK confirmed at least two people are dead following an explosion that rocked downtown Oslo, Norway."



http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norways-capital-injuries-reported/?hpt=hp_t1

I'm waiting for the usual swedish reactions... we need to respect muslims and dont blaim any specific group of people. Anyone else is islamofobic obv... We need to keep letting everybody cross our boarders bla bla! (Well not going to be totally unjust here untill its proven whos behind this, but just days ago a extrem muslim terrorist living in Norway threatened about just this happenin if they didnt let him stay in the country, he has been judged to kill severel people and was about to get deported back to Iraq).

mod edit - can we at least start spoilering images of dead people please

yeah just incinerate all these fucking terrorists

clooooose the god damn borders already, we have what, 20% immigrants of the entire population, this can lead to no good and will be the demise of our nation(s). do it like finland, they don't let ppl in and as a result they're much better off today in many aspects compared to sweden and norway.

call me racist i dont care, close the border now

Nords should stop being so passive with taking them in and start going viking law on these cunts.

now a shooting aswell, fucking terrorists

On July 22 2011 11:41 Stygg wrote: yeah just incinerate all these fucking terrorists clooooose the god damn borders already, we have what, 20% immigrants of the entire population, this can lead to no good and will be the demise of our nation(s). do it like finland, they don't let ppl in and as a result they're much better off today in many aspects compared to sweden and norway. call me racist i dont care, close the border now

It's not racism, just one group of people are fucking murderers so I agree, hell I wouldn't want any extreme muslim near me either, too bad you gotta categorize everyone that looks the same but i say for the muslims just deal with it and try to make it better.

I mean im peruvian and here in south america we have (or used to have) a terrible reputation because a lot of countrymen have gone to other countries and robbed/etc., so now I just have to deal with it, i don't get offended if other people may think i'm like that because ITS TRUE, theres many peruvians like me that have done that, they have even muggled myself, so I don't see how I can complain and I feel like my duty is just to try and fix it slowly in anyway I can.

Muslims : Murderers are being traind at your own countries, fucking do something about it

Kinda weird that there was a shooting by "someone dressed as a policeman" at a youth camp. It doesn't seem like you're typical Muslim terrorist style.

On July 22 2011 12:31 NMcNasty wrote: Kinda weird that there was a shooting by "someone dressed as a policeman" at a youth camp. It doesn't seem like you're typical Muslim terrorist style.

yeah i dont think that has anything related to do with the bomb exploding inside Oslo

On July 22 2011 12:21 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2011 11:41 Stygg wrote: yeah just incinerate all these fucking terrorists clooooose the god damn borders already, we have what, 20% immigrants of the entire population, this can lead to no good and will be the demise of our nation(s). do it like finland, they don't let ppl in and as a result they're much better off today in many aspects compared to sweden and norway. call me racist i dont care, close the border now It's not racism, just one group of people are fucking murderers so I agree, hell I wouldn't want any extreme muslim near me either, too bad you gotta categorize everyone that looks the same but i say for the muslims just deal with it and try to make it better. I mean im peruvian and here in south america we have (or used to have) a terrible reputation because a lot of countrymen have gone to other countries and robbed/etc., so now I just have to deal with it, i don't get offended if other people may think i'm like that because ITS TRUE, theres many peruvians like me that have done that, they have even muggled myself, so I don't see how I can complain and I feel like my duty is just to try and fix it slowly in anyway I can. Muslims : Murderers are being traind at your own countries, fucking do something about it

yeah almost everybody is a little racist these days and it's getting to be more ok with everyone to be that way

deep down i know i'm a humanist. if it was up to me, i'd let everyone in if there was any way of knowing they were good people. everyone! unfortunately there's no way of knowing who's gonna be a welfare leech, a terrorist, or a good person helping society.

but if you let in nearly a million africans/arabs who have totally fucked up their own nations and are 300 years behind the western world's thinking in terms of human rights, women's rights etc etc, what's bound to happen? yes, they will slowly but surely fuck up your nation as well. i dont wanna come off a bitter old man but this country was miles better when i grew up and we only had a select few south americans and chinese/vietnamese immigrants. it wasn't a big melting pot and it was easier for them to adapt, and for us to adapt to them.

i really hate what has become of the scandinavian countries since the 90's and see no quick or even long-term fix to the problem. very sad indeed.

Stygg do you read at http://politisktinkorrekt.info/ ? If not, i can recommend that site, opened my eyes half a year ago to how fucked up things have really became in this country =/

On July 22 2011 12:40 Balzamon wrote: Stygg do you read at http://politisktinkorrekt.info/ ? If not, i can recommend that site, opened my eyes half a year ago to how fucked up things have really became in this country =/

haven't heard of that site before but i'm slowly converting from left to right, politically. i want to keep my ideals but it's very challenging imo.

have bookmarked the site and will read up on it.

but i already know how bad things are in this country, im not sure i need to know more bad things lol.

i fear i might vote SD next election probably not, but tempting.

what are sweden/norway immigration laws?

@ Stygg, Locoo

I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't go as far as to say that africans/arabs are 300 years behind the western world's thinking, but rather I would attack the angle of the present western cultural positioning as being a land where we can help everyone to improve their lives.

This is peculiar to me from two angles. First, it creates a system which we have now where people feel "well, my country sucks, let's leave." What is the end result of this? As it is now in Ireland we have like 30 trillion Poles working and living here. Now it appears Poland is improving and they are leaving in noticeable numbers presumably to return to Poland. It appears what we have now is a group cultural mentality of "leave for new opportunity" then return if your homeland no longer sucks. Don't quote me on this but I believe something absurd like upwards of 30% of Latvia's 18-30 demographic has left the country since the new EU living regulations allow them to live anywhere in the EU. This is awful. Sure it might be better short term for the individual, but how can a country ever improve if the entire fucking planet tries to live in London or Stockholm? In effect humans are mass migrating to hot spots, pillaging them of resources, then leaving again. I fear a future where the concept of "home" and the pride people have in caring for their homeland (in both a macro and micro sense) is all but ancient history.

Secondly, there seems to be a popular political concept that the western world is the "first" world and ideal for human life. Despite the contradictions to this in various happiness indices, there is a definite popular belief in many western (especially Scandinavian) political groups that life in the "west" is ideal and it is "our" duty to provide this great life to people of other parts of the world. Who are we to say it is not preferable for someone to maintain a hunter gatherer lifestyle. If you are born and raised in the west you would never know any different, but it seems hugely egotistical to presume your way of life is superior simply because you have more electronic machines.

I really do think it's time for the west to leave other countries alone. It's painfully obvious to me that this middle ground the west is in where they provide aid to numerous countries while taking in a large amount of their immigrants is not beneficial to anyone. The aid doesnt hit it's target in the "poor" countries, the people who are most capable of fixing the poor country leave for the "rich" country, and all thats left in the poor country is corruption and more instability.

Blah, I'm tired and on a real tangent here, and I'm not even 100% sure on how I feel about all of this, but I'm pretty confident that current global immigration trends are having negative cultural relations effects.

Sad sad news. Sealing borders and embracing bigotry doesn't prevent terrorism, but I understand the frustration.

I also think it will suck balls when I have kids someday and we go on a trip to Stockholm and the entire downtown has signs in Somali, Arabic, Turkish, and whatever. It's really cool that we grew up in a world where the culture difference between London, Stockholm and Ankara was vast. It seems at this rate in 100 years if you dropped someone in Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, New York, wherever, they wouldn't even be able to tell which country they were in until they heard people speaking. I mean, I was just in Amsterdam and literally this entire street was Turkish Doner places with English signs. If you didn't know where it was you'd be 100% unable to differentiate between that street in Netherlands and any street in the Bronx.

There is definitely a problem with young Muslim men at the moment. Is it because they're Muslim? No. Is it because they're men? No. But Muslim Men as a category should require special scrutiny at the moment. For instance, any muslim man looking to immigrate into your country should require extensive background checks and be precluded from migrating until they have shown citizenship, or at least residence in a non-arab speaking country for no less than 5-10 years. I.E. if you are moving to Sweden or North America or what have you, coming straight from Pakistan, you are disqualified under all conditions. Show proof of residence in Africa or South America or whatever nation will accept you for at least 5 years as a sign of cohabitation with another culture. Since it is less likely these terrorists have the willpower to remain sleeper cells a quarter of their lives just so they can make it to your country and bomb it by the time they're 50, they can be "trusted" so to speak.

On July 22 2011 12:55 Zep wrote: Sad sad news. Sealing borders and embracing bigotry doesn't prevent terrorism, but I understand the frustration.

its not about sealing the boarders from honest immigrants. Its about that today Scandinavia (except island and finland who are much more clever it seems) its a huge DUMP for people from midwest/africa with very doubtfull backgrounds to come in here and stay. It doesnt matter if they pure juridicial dont get approval to stay, our system is very fucked up and its almost impossible to deport them after they passed our boarders. As for the example of the extreme muslim who threatened leading politics in Norway recencly (and may be behind this) they decided he should have been deported back to Iraq YEARS ago, but they cant do it since he in Iraq may be punished to death for his terrorism, so its against our law to send him away, so instead he can live on taxpayers money on Norway and go on preeching his hate against western society, thats JUST SICK.

Its not about judging every muslim as a group, its about our fear to critisize islam one single bit so they can total run us over even letting well known criminals that hate our own country stay, and even get paid by us.

And as an addendum to what Balzamon is saying,

It's extremely interesting to note that an extremely poor Somalian with no work skills or education has a MUCH better chance of achieving Swedish residency/citizenship than a college educated American such as myself.

Same goes for Canada.

It's certainly the "nicer" immigration rule, but what does it realistically mean for the future of Sweden?

On July 22 2011 12:50 nolan wrote: I fear a future where the concept of "home" and the pride people have in caring for their homeland (in both a macro and micro sense) is all but ancient history.

Agreed!

I really do think it's time for the west to leave other countries alone. It's painfully obvious to me that this middle ground the west is in where they provide aid to numerous countries while taking in a large amount of their immigrants is not beneficial to anyone. The aid doesnt hit it's target in the "poor" countries, the people who are most capable of fixing the poor country leave for the "rich" country, and all thats left in the poor country is corruption and more instability.

Absolutely agreed. It's such a short-term fix to let 100,000 middle eastern/african ppl into this, or any, nation and just put them all in one place, i.e the already run down suburbs. It doesn't help them adapt, doesn't bring us closer, but actually further away from each other.

I am not man enough to have a better solution and if I see a poor family on TV living under horrible conditions, my first instinct is to want to help them, but I have no idea HOW. I just know that the current way is NOT the right way, was never the right way, and never will be.

That 300 years comment is obviously exaggerated, but only to drive the point across. We are just so different. They have the most inhumane laws and punishments, literally no women's rights, women are still forced to conceal their appearances with veils and stuff, this is CRAZY. Just crazy. There are tons more examples but these alone serve as sufficient points to show that we shouldn't just blindly let them in and expect things to go any other way than they currently are.