On July 25 2011 08:50 lukeperry wrote:
Yeah he had several weapons, firepower wasn't an issue. The police didn't arrive until 1½ hour after the call had gone out and the victims had nowhere to go. He could casually walk around the island shooting people who tried to swim or was hiding in the bushes.
Apparently he did show mercy to some people, according to media in Sweden. He spared an 11 year old boys life after the kid had begged him to not shoot, but then he just moved on to kill other people instead. I wonder what kinda drugs he was on to remain so calm and cold.
this is pretty sick.. there were also a bunch of people who drowned trying to swim the 700m to shore.. and some guy survived by laying down pretending to be dead among the bodies.
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palak United States. Jul 25 2011 14:24. Posts 4601
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On July 25 2011 08:50 lukeperry wrote:
I wonder what kinda drugs he was on to remain so calm and cold.
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traxamillion United States. Jul 25 2011 18:27. Posts 10468
Pretty embarassed i jumped into conclusion as well, but I've heard just so much shit about the struggle between islamic and western cultures, from TV to turists friends from Canada, Europe, etc, that I just assumed this had to be a product of that, well technically it is a product of that, but it's an european here who is causing terror.
I guess it's pretty clear now that the problem everytime is extremist religious and ideological beliefs
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palak United States. Jul 25 2011 23:55. Posts 4601
According to wiki this song has been taken off of radio stations due to the oslo attacks. Can anyone confirm this somehow?
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
trolling ignorant americans aside here is my point of view:
Media and people try to jump into certain patterns to know why this happened, (oh he listened to slipknot, he played WoW, he hated muslims) but its impossible to pinpoint what caused it in that way, million people fit in that criteria and yet they dont go on murderous rampages so trying to simplify this in this way as media loves to do is simply its ridiculous and aimed at intellectully lazy people (most people) who like to believe in childish concepts.
He is simply a byproduct of a violent society, a country who aided the war against iraq, also involved in afghanistan and in libia, how can society grow as peaceful individuals when violence is all that surrounds us.
And i dont mean Norway as being a particularly violent country (even if its quite eager to jump into wars) but society is, society lives under the states constant violence and are fed these catalysts of violence: race, religion and nationalism.
your so funny baal, and so deep and wise. Please educate us more, we are so blind, o great one.
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On July 26 2011 03:29 Baal wrote:
trolling ignorant americans aside here is my point of view:
Media and people try to jump into certain patterns to know why this happened, (oh he listened to slipknot, he played WoW, he hated muslims) but its impossible to pinpoint what caused it in that way, million people fit in that criteria and yet they dont go on murderous rampages so trying to simplify this in this way as media loves to do is simply its ridiculous and aimed at intellectully lazy people (most people) who like to believe in childish concepts.
He is simply a byproduct of a violent society, a country who aided the war against iraq, also involved in afghanistan and in libia, how can society grow as peaceful individuals when violence is all that surrounds us.
And i dont mean Norway as being a particularly violent country (even if its quite eager to jump into wars) but society is, society lives under the states constant violence and are fed these catalysts of violence: race, religion and nationalism.
are you seriously trying to turn this event into an argument for anarchism, and that this guy murdered 100ish people because society made him do it and without society no such external pressure would happen?
have you seen the norwegian response to these events? for the last couple days, norway has been filled with sorrow and grief, but also with togetherness, compassion and love. hardly anyone has shown any lust for blood, what everyone is saying, and doing, is that we have to kill the hatred expressed by this one guy through loving more than ever. in fact, while I am not a nationalistic person and I feel that the idea of being proud of your nation is stupid, norway for the past 3 days has showcased the most beautiful part of humanity I have ever witnessed. It's been quite humbling actually, but absolutely wonderful. Now, here's the good part - if you are so eager to attribute any negative personal characteristics in a person as some sort of, inevitabilities that you will always find in some people in any society with a state, does this apply to positive personal characteristics as well? or is that more along the lines of "human goodness which the state has been incapable of suppressing" or something? please explain, because I feel your stance is either willfully ignorant of all the good, compassionate and loving actions that have been showcased, or horribly inconsistent, in that you're arguing that people can be negative byproducts of their society, but not positive..
On July 26 2011 05:22 Milk wrote:
The last pic is pretty true imo.
you can do that kind of childish correlations with anything. i can have picture of baal driving a car and sarcastically call him a hero (in the drivers world) and yet at same time call him greedy , wastefull human being, and blame the worlds dependence of oil on baal's habits and all "those type of people".
Yea real smart stuff.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
i didnt say society made him do it or that its pressuring him to do it, i said he is the byproduct of a sick society and there shouldnt be any shock in encountering these people from.
Lust for blood? because there is no catalyst to violence, if the kid were a muslim immigrant blowing up a bunch of whites the response would be quite different my friend, and you know this.
About attributing goodness to the violent twisted society, if you expose 2 guys to a violence treatment kind of inverse orange clockwork, and one guy decides to actually not being extremely violent, would you attribute it to the treatment? no, he just simply overcame it, the other one succumbed.
The norweigan response was sooooooo beautiful and compassionate and togetherness and peaceful... where were all those people when Norway sent troops to afghanistan, and then to iraq.. and to libia? please tell me because i think they were like ostriches hiding in their ignorance.
And for the record, you seem to think i see the state as an evil violent mastermind, but i dont, its just like religion, the pope is no mastermind of religion nor manipulates his followers at will, religion is a cancer, it has no collective consciousness, its just vicous, grows and instill fear and violence in the hearts of people, the state just works like that, its chaotic with no conscious goal, it just grows like cancer and just like religion, people should grow out of it and realize only the fool need them.
On July 26 2011 05:22 Milk wrote:
The last pic is pretty true imo.
you can do that kind of childish correlations with anything. i can have picture of baal driving a car and sarcastically call him a hero (in the drivers world) and yet at same time call him greedy , wastefull human being, and blame the worlds dependence of oil on baal's habits and all "those type of people".
Yea real smart stuff.
that is at a terribly stupid straw man argument, your analogy would be absolutely idiotic while mine is quite precise.
Im making a point that people that kill others because their ignorant perception of enemies are monsters and never heroes, you are just making an absolute nonsensical idiotic comparison.
Seriously if you are not going to intelligently defend your points dont do it at all, you just clutter the thread with crap.
On July 26 2011 05:22 Milk wrote:
The last pic is pretty true imo.
Its not "your opinion" the soldier is killing people because he ignorantly percieves them as enemies and he is trying to defend his country and beliefs exactly like this kid did, he believes he was helping his country and he is convinced he is a hero but both are nothing but mere ignorant murderers.
I hope some idiot comes with the "they are orders" excuse... plz ?
i was warned for mentioning my beliefs in politics and AMERICAN wars, well if this was seen as an attack to american soldiers, then my mistake, i should have used a different pic i just googled for a generic soldier pic.
It was intended for ANY soldier and i am not talking about the american wars, since i am saying norway participated directly in the wars so im debating about norway and the world, not the united states.
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blackjacki2 United States. Jul 26 2011 18:03. Posts 2582
^ not even close to the meaning of "killing spree" but I'd bet you already know that
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