Oslo next to suffer terrorism - Page 3

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/201...ts-caus-overwhelming-majority-of.html
In response to Liquid Drone

There has been claims to this terrorist attack but I wont include any names since it's not yet confirmed.

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Damn,, I was at this festival not too many years ago... fuck

Yeah that camp is nasty, execution style, nowhere to run. It's gonna be interesting to hear his motives. I assume he doesn't like the arbeiderparti, this was their youth organisation right?

On July 22 2011 15:46 lukeperry wrote: http://super-economy.blogspot.com/201...ts-caus-overwhelming-majority-of.html In response to Liquid Drone There has been claims to this terrorist attack but I wont include any names since it's not yet confirmed.

those statistics are taken precisely from a period of time that "statistically exaggerates" islamic terrorism. well, and in terms of deaths, islamic terrorism has resulted in more deaths anyway as they have targeted more crowded areas and had bigger bombs/airplanes. but if you look at this in a 50 year perspective, then ETA has killed 829 people in an enormous amount of separate attacks, whereas islamic terrorists killed 198 in 1. in england, the london bombings killed like 60 people, whereas IRA themselves killed almost 1700, also in an enormous amount of separate incidents. I don't have numbers, but I'd assume that on a 50 year period, in europe, islamic terrorists attacks are far outnumbered by non-islamic terrorist attacks - feel free to do some googling and if you disprove me (in terms of numbers of bombs/assassinations rather than casualities) then I'll concede the point.

the shooter has been confirmed to be a 32 year old norwegian male now. and lukeperry, yes, this was arbeiderpartiet's youth organization.

sucks... you guys be careful up there.

I don't have those numbers and as far as I'm concerned they're ridiculously irrelevant.
The statistics since the "introduction" of Al Qaida and the jihad called on all western countries allied with the US is quite clear. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by extending the period by 40 years? To me this just looks like a desperate attempt to defend the radical muslims, I see it every day in Sweden. The fact remains, over the past decade the overwhelming deaths from terrorist attacks are caused by muslim fundamentalists. I'm not saying this is the works of islamic nutjobs.

I just hope this is the end of the attack on Norway and that he worked alone. Like I said it will be interesting to find out his motives.

I also heard it was an attack close to the department of oil and energy something? Aswell as close to the office of Stoltenberg, but it really seems like an attack on a political level, not some random terrorist act.

Drone, IRA is one thing, that's an internal conflict, they don't go on bombing sprees in the middle east. Al Qaida don't stay in their own nations, they come here and kill us. I can't believe how blindly leftist you're being when this bombing is an obvious terrorist attack - on your own nation! Have you no pride, man?

On July 22 2011 16:45 lukeperry wrote: I don't have those numbers and as far as I'm concerned they're ridiculously irrelevant. The statistics since the "introduction" of Al Qaida and the jihad called on all western countries allied with the US is quite clear. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by extending the period by 40 years? To me this just looks like a desperate attempt to defend the radical muslims, I see it every day in Sweden. The fact remains, over the past decade the overwhelming deaths from terrorist attacks are caused by muslim fundamentalists. I'm not saying this is the works of islamic nutjobs. I just reacted on the fact that you didn't believe Balzamon. But again, this is very common in Sweden. I just hope this is the end of the attack on Norway and that he worked alone. Like I said it will be interesting to find out his motives.

ridiculously irrelevant? that's ridiculous. my point was that islam does not have a monopoly on terrorism. my point is that terrorism is not caused by islam, it's caused by people in desperate positions with no other (conceivable to them) method of accomplishing their goals. when this is my point, how is bringing up that non-islamic europeans have killed thousands of europeans in hundreds of attacks over the past 50 years irrelevant? now, I made one mistake in a previous post (equating balzamon's stance to one where he wants to kick out all muslims where he did indeed never state this and that was very strawmanny and I am sorry about that!), but everything else I said in my posts responding to him I firmly believe. his first thought, at least the first expressed thought in the opening post he made, is how this tragic event is evidence that we need to alter our immigration policy with regards to muslims when it has not even been proven that islam had any sort of connection to the attack. he didn't write "this event is truly tragic - perhaps we need to reevaluate our immigration policy and alter it so we don't accept more immigrants than we can handle" or anything like that, he utilized this occasion to make an attack on the "politically correct muslim-apologists". pointing imaginary fingers at people to find someone to blame/hate is a horrible response to an attack like this, and it angered me.

On July 22 2011 16:57 Stygg wrote: Drone, IRA is one thing, that's an internal conflict, they don't go on bombing sprees in the middle east. Al Qaida don't stay in their own nations, they come here and kill us. I can't believe how blindly leftist you're being when this bombing is an obvious terrorist attack - on your own nation! Have you no pride, man?

this is a terrorist attack committed by a norwegian male. no connection to al qaida or any islamic group has been proven, but the shooter is proven to be a 32 year old norwegian male, because he was caught. and he was also seen near the bomb area at an earlier occasion.

At this point they DO have monopoly on terrorism. They have had for the last decade, and I don't see why anyone would try to "tone it down" by saying "Yeah, but they're not the only ones doing it". The terrorist attacks commited by islamic extremists have gone up since 2001, there's no denying it. Right now they've taken more lives through terrorist act the last 10 years than any other group of people.The number of attacks are as far as I care highly irrelevant. If anything it shows that the extremists are planning this more carefully and have bigger organisations to pull of more destruction with fewer attacks.

Yes it's wrong to jump on the bandwagon and instantly blame this on muslims. I'll admit I did it myself, since all logic pointed to yet another attack like the one in Stockholm.
If it turns out its this lonely Norweigan guy, I won't say I'm glad, but that atleast shows that the islamic terrorist haven't attacked yet another country to force them to do what they want.

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Well not monopoly in the true sense of the word, obviously. Just by far the most devastation and death.
I'll also add that I have never ever said that all muslims are terrorists, that they're the only ones doing it or that it's a product of Islam. I'm just saying that right now, they are responsible for most deaths through cowardly terrorist attacks. And I WILL say that I think Islam is a dangerous religion, they're view on people is disgusting and I don't want it in Sweden. Problem is that we have a government selling out Sweden right now, bending over backwards to please all the different people and cultures coming here. One of our top politics have said that Swedes are jealous of immigrants, because they have such a rich culture and we have nothing. Another one said that its the immigrants that carry the Swedish society. Even though most people on welfare are immigrants.

ill eat my own hat if this isnt linked to middle eastern terrorism. shit like this doesnt just go down randomly due to a madman in a place like norway. maybe once in a 100 years, whereas terrorist attacks happen like once a month

Just thought I'll add this.
2001 a 23-year old man was arrested with explosives, guns and police uniforms.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article231455.ece
It's a bit far fetched but it could very well be the same guy...

On July 22 2011 17:42 lukeperry wrote: Just thought I'll add this. 2001 a 23-year old man was arrested with explosives, guns and police uniforms. http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article231455.ece It's a bit far fetched but it could very well be the same guy...

Well the guy they arrested is 32 so the age matches up

On July 23 2011 07:50 Tomken wrote: http://www.tv2.no/nyheter/innenriks/p...paagrepet-mann-32-i-oslo-3544610.html -> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002651290254&sk=wall Edit.... something fishy about the facebook profile...

ppl are saying this is the guy

Yea, 23 in November 2001 would make 32 in July 2011.
He's a well known neo-nazi, arrested and convicted several times for reckless driving (caused a man to crash and die) and illegal possession of guns and explosives.

As I was typing this I read on another Swedish forum with a nack for tracking down info on suspects, and apparently he's too short to fit the description of the suspect in todays events. Viva la internet detectives lol

there is one connection between islam and terrorism. that is that muslims are more willing to commit suicide than atheists/christians. christians who commit suicide go to hell according to their own belief, atheists stop existing according to their own belief, and islamic martyrs get a nice afterlife according to their own belief. this means that islamic terrorist attacks generally deal more damage, because it's easier to make an explosion go off in a crowded area if you yourself die in the meantime. everything else is related to desperation/anger/inability to make life better.

now, I'm going to make a comprehensive list over terrorist attacks in western europe and northern america since 2001 (the last decade). im looking at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present and the individual years and adding everything that happened in western europe or usa that I can find.
2001: Two separate IRA bombings in london.
9/11
in addition, one planned ai-qaida attack on the french embassy but that was foiled. the Jewish Defense League similarly planned an attack on a mosque in california, and one islamic fundamentalist failed trying to blow up a plane.

2002: Luke Helder places pipebombs in mailboxes in the midwest, to protest government control over daily lives and illegality of marijuana. and an egyptian gunman kills two israelis in the los angeles international airport. additionally the washington shooting killing ten (this attack was done by two guys who had joined the nation of islam 15 years earlier.)
2003: swedish foreign minister anna lindh was stabbed to death by a serbian immigrant who was pissed about swedish foreign policy with regards to serbia. I dunno whether he was a muslim or not, but I don't think it had much if anything to do with the stabbing.
2004: attack in northern ireland, no muslims involved.
paris; the french armed islamic front injured 10 people.
ETA had four attacks in spain in december, and the madrid train bombings happened in march.
in netherlands theo van gogh was assassinated.
2005: london bombings, killed 52 and injured more than 700. there was an attempt at another london bombing 2 weeks later. both islamic in nature.
in USA some guy suicide-bombed but only killed himself or something.
2006: eta undertook 15 bombings in january-march.
in usa, an iranian drove a car into a crowd and injured 9. and an afghani muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing 1. and derrick shareef planned to commit "violent jihad" just before christmas, but he was also foiled.
in canada, police foiled 17 alleged terrorists before they could do whatever they were planning.
in germany, some islamists dropped two suitcase-bombs, but they didn't detonate.
in UK, a plot to bomb several airlines failed. this was islamic in origin. in addition, the IRA detonated a series of firebombs.
in norway, some muslim fired shots at a synagogue late at night.

2007: in USA, sulejman talovic killed 5 people and himself died. shouted allah akbar so was islamic in origin. additionally, six radical islamists were caught plotting to attack the fort dix military base. also one incident of homemade bombs being thrown at mexican consulate in NYC, but nobody caught.
in UK, glasgow international airport attack, london car bombs. al qaida connected to both I think.
in germany, planned bombing of frankfurt international airport is foiled, also islamic.

2008: bomb went off in new york, nobody killed nobody found guilty.
spain: about 16 or so ETA bombings.
UK: exeter bombing, muslim convert did it.
USA, jim david adkisson killed 2 and injured 7, motivation was killing liberals and democrats. also one car bomb, injuring 4 people and killing the guy, dunno if it was islamic or not.and one more bomb, but also without a known perpetrator.
Dublin: home made bomb, no islamic connection
finland: attack on the turkish embassy by kurdish demonstrators.
france: five sticks of dynamite found, apparently placed there to force france out of afghanistan.

2009: spain 16 bomb attacks by ETA.
northern ireland: two unarmed soldiers killed by the "real IRA".then another officer killed by the continuity IRA some days later.
sweden: female television journalist seriously injured after a bomb which was supposedly a terrorist act against the journalism community in sweden.
usa: small explosion outside starbucks in new york, dunno if it was islamic or not. additionally an american muslim started shooting at a military recruitment office, killed one and wounded one.
on Corsica (france), the national liberation front of corsica made two bombs go off.

2010:
9 bombs in northern ireland, not islamic.
denmark: cartoonist kurt westergaard barely escapes a somali axe-wielder. response to muhammed drawings. additionally, some chechen guy tried to bomb jyllands-posten.
france: ETA kills a french policeman (for the first time ever.)
USA: one car bomb found in times square, radical islamists most likely suspects. in addition, one guy used a pipe bomb to attack a mosque 2 days later.
canada: some socalled anarchists firebombed royal bank of canada, said it was a response to the sponsorship of the 2010 winter olympics.
in stockholm, two explosions occurred, supposedly over engagement in afghanistan and the cartoon controversy.

2011:
USA: gabrielle giffords attempted killed, killed 6 others.
northern ireland: bomb kills one guy. another bomb goes off too.
netherlands: tristan van der vlis killed 6people+himself and wounded 17, was insane but not a muslim.

total math from what I've written here: in the past decade, there have in western europe and northern america been 78 non-islamic and 28 islamic terrorist attacks of various size.

If you read Eurpol's statistics about terrorism in Europe between 2006-2009, these are the numbers:

Total number: 1770
Islamic: 6 (0.34%)
Right Wing Ethno-Nationalist and Separatist: 1596 (90.17%)
Left Wing: 106 (5.99%)
Other/Not Specified: 62 (3.50%)

You can find the document at Interpol's official website. Here is another link: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

Sometimes it's easy to blame extreme islamism for everything, jumping to conclusions without the proper facts.

Yea thats not the neo-nazi. Looks like this could be the guy.