Emelianenko one time ? - Page 3

rofl at bigbb33.

oh my gawd.

On July 24 2008 08:23 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 08:12 masterfrywad wrote: ya shrunken fedor would suck???? apples and oranges imo No, because it's currently apples and oranges. But if you could somehow shrink Fedor down with some futuristic laser or something so that he retained his proportions but was able to fit in a lower weight class, he'd get demolished by someone like BJ Penn or Anderson Silva or even someone like Tyson Griffin. And if he was shrunk it'd be apples to apples. HW division is just currently weak right now and Fedor gets to appear great beating 'contenders' like Sylvia. I say in 3-4 years there will be significantly better HW guys but not as significantly better LW or MW guys.

Anderson Silva? Anderson Silva?
Anderson Silva is significantly larger then Fedor is, Fedor just isnt scared to fight at his natural weight class. Silva walks at around 210 pounds, and i bet its more then Fedor's lean body weight is. Silva just cuts well.
Not to mention Silvas division. The only legit opponent Silva ever faced was Henderson. Granted he destroyed him in a way no one did before, but that doesnt justify even half of the hype hes getting. To quote FA "go lose to Ryo Chonnan some more."

And LW is surely the most skilled division in the world. Not in the UFC however. I honestly believe Aoki would embarrass Penn on the ground. And what has Penn done to claim that hes better then Fedor? Beaten the Lay-n-Pray specialist Sherk? Comeon.

No one does what Fedor does. He outstrikes strikers, escapes submission specialists and outwrestles wrestlers.

Bigbb, you seem to be forgetting the fact that he DESTROYED Nogueira.

Twice.

On July 24 2008 14:17 KeanuReaver wrote: kid is #1 on my p4p list until: bj penn beats anderson silva, or gsp beats rampage, or a. silva beats fedor, or fedor beats a grizzly bear

Fedor vs grizzly bear is v close.

Btw, even though I'd cheer for Kid vs Faber, the super early stoppage in Kid vs Sudo still irks me

As for Aoki v Penn, maybe, but.. could Aoki get Penn down? Like, yeah, Aoki is tall as hell for a LW (he's 180 cm for crying out loud) but still.

* Dream 5 related*
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 24 2008 14:22 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 08:10 Baal wrote:   On July 24 2008 07:54 bigbb33 wrote: I still think Fedor is way overrated; I always thought Sylvia sucked too. Don't really know who is good in the HW division though, they all seem to suck, unlike welterweight or lightweight which are completely stacked with sick fighters. Thinking over it I'd say Fedor is def. the best in the HW division, but overall the division just sucks more so than Fedor being amazing. Are you out of your mind? do you ever watch MMA? You think the 70kg weight division is somehow much sicker? lol... if you atleast said that the light heavy weight had tougher fighters then we could have a discussion but what u said is plain silly. u don't think welterweight is tough? GSP Fitch Thiago Alves kos Hughes Karo Parisian Diego Jake Shields Maybe 205 is tougher, but 170 is no joke.

No, i believe welther is tought, thats why i focused on light weight which imo its quite soft. (bigbb33 said Ligh and welter), however i believe light weight is tougher, like Wandy in Pride fighting sakuraba, Erenesto Hoost, rampage, etc etc.

Also as somebody said, Fedor is a small guy for heavyweight as u can see he fights bigger oponents always its simply because he doesnt cut weight, he doesnt even look defined (which happens when u cut weight), if he wanted he could fight in smaller divisions with his same strenght and he obviuosly would demolish every single one, BigBB33 simply isnt a big MMA fan becaus he doesnt know much.

On July 24 2008 18:19 TianYuan wrote: Btw, even though I'd cheer for Kid vs Faber, the super early stoppage in Kid vs Sudo still irks me As for Aoki v Penn, maybe, but.. could Aoki get Penn down? Like, yeah, Aoki is tall as hell for a LW (he's 180 cm for crying out loud) but still. * Dream 5 related* + Show Spoiler + Eddie Alvarez is a fucking champion btw, can't wait for him vs Hansen rematch, only seen 3 of Alvarez's fights but wow

Well aoki doesnt actually have to be down to submit u.

And Alvarez vs Aoki is much more interesting for me then Alvarez vs Hansen. MMAth doesnt work so i wanna after all find out if he would win that GP or not.

just because a guy isn't #1 doesn't mean you have to hate him.

Fedor is, without a doubt, an amazing fighter. Unlike other fighters, fedor has only showed GLIMMERS of vulnerability which he usually turned right around and ended the fight within moments afterward (big punch from tko, slam from randleman, keylock from mark hunt). Anderson Silva does, perhaps, have some untested facets of his game. Don't hate on the guy because he might have a weaker than perfect ground game and he cuts weight. And don't say GSP "lacks chin" because he got hit in the face and was hurt. Newsflash: it does not take a lot to get knocked out in MMA. You're fighting professional athletes who are strong, fast, and actually train how to throw a punch. If you get clocked and any of several situations go bad, you're going to be stunned or knocked out. Period. The concept of a chin comes from boxing, when because of the massive gloves they wear it's very hard to be knocked out without being buttered up first (the glove disperses force across a wider area). In MMA if you catch a good shot you didn't see coming, you're going to get stunned or knocked out. If you catch a clean shot in the wrong place on your skull, you're going to get stunned or knocked out. Peeeeeriod.

aoki would never ever ever ever beat bj penn in a billion trillion years.

hansen/alvarez/jz/gomi have a chance with probably an A game gomi having the best shot. aoki is just totally outclassed vs bj. no way he would ever submit him, his striking is nonexistant and bj has insane takedown defense and better takedowns.

this coming from possibly aoki's biggest mancrush. god <3 aoki such a hero, only a real man can attempt a kneebar, an ankle lock, a triangle, a gogo, an armbar and a RNC in a 2 round fight.

At this point I don't see anyone on the same level as Fedor. Atm the toughest fight out there would be Barnett by a long shot, I think with his catch wrestling he could possibly get Fedor into a slick knee bar, or open up a cut for the stoppage with Fedor's tinfoil skin. AA will be a good fight but it will end with a rather quick from strikes either standing or from AA's guard. AA's chin has failed him before and the way Fedor gets those full body shots in from the guard he could get the KO.

It's a shame that Fedor has stated countless times that he's never cut weight for a fight and never will, he generally enters around 230 which is what most LHWs walk around at so he could easily make the cut if he wanted, would be many interesting match ups for him.

Couture was never a top 3 to begin with, and the fight will in all likelihood never happen. Was just a way to keep Couture's name in the papers while he tried to get his movie career going, however he is a terrible actor and it's going no where.

and fedor is the best fighter in the history of mma (not counting kid because its just impossible to tell how good he really is). hes never lost and hes beaten virtually everyone in his division with the exception of a few guys he would probably destroy (maybe not AA who has a pretty good shot at beating him, on the order of 20-25%)

On July 25 2008 00:27 Daut wrote: and fedor is the best fighter in the history of mma (not counting kid because its just impossible to tell how good he really is). hes never lost and hes beaten virtually everyone in his division with the exception of a few guys he would probably destroy (maybe not AA who has a pretty good shot at beating him, on the order of 20-25%)

I'll give you 5 to 1 odds on Fedor wrecking AA if you really feel that way.

yea ill take it with the possibility of a knockout or stoppage due to cut i think 5:1 is def worth betting on

if fedor didnt cut or if it wasnt possible to stop the fight cause of a cut i think the true odds would be higher (like 85% win for fedor) but you never know in mma, random shit happens all the time

so how much we betting?

andre arlovski beating fedor? LOL
penn is really my 2nd fave all time

On July 25 2008 00:23 Daut wrote: aoki would never ever ever ever beat bj penn in a billion trillion years. hansen/alvarez/jz/gomi have a chance with probably an A game gomi having the best shot. aoki is just totally outclassed vs bj. no way he would ever submit him, his striking is nonexistant and bj has insane takedown defense and better takedowns. this coming from possibly aoki's biggest mancrush. god <3 aoki such a hero, only a real man can attempt a kneebar, an ankle lock, a triangle, a gogo, an armbar and a RNC in a 2 round fight.

You know what I was really surprised by tho? How easily Aoki got Uno to the ground. I thought Uno's takedown defence looked REALLY good vs Ishida, a little Penn like if you will
But yeah, Uno - despite having a draw vs Penn - isn't the same thing as actually fighting Penn hehe..

Btw if you like Aoki you really should check out Masakazu Imanari. I think they train together, but I like his submission-entrances more (ie his crazy dives into leglocks :D).

Blah blah blah, maybe if you repeat how much you are in love with Fedor some more it will be a convincing argument. As stated before, there is no way to prove/disprove what I said except by waiting and see the rate of skill increase in the HW relative to skill increase in other divisions.

Queue more frothing at the mouth ad hominem's tho.

On July 24 2008 18:32 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 14:22 Fraser wrote:   On July 24 2008 08:10 Baal wrote:   On July 24 2008 07:54 bigbb33 wrote: I still think Fedor is way overrated; I always thought Sylvia sucked too. Don't really know who is good in the HW division though, they all seem to suck, unlike welterweight or lightweight which are completely stacked with sick fighters. Thinking over it I'd say Fedor is def. the best in the HW division, but overall the division just sucks more so than Fedor being amazing. Are you out of your mind? do you ever watch MMA? You think the 70kg weight division is somehow much sicker? lol... if you atleast said that the light heavy weight had tougher fighters then we could have a discussion but what u said is plain silly. u don't think welterweight is tough? GSP Fitch Thiago Alves kos Hughes Karo Parisian Diego Jake Shields Maybe 205 is tougher, but 170 is no joke. No, i believe welther is tought, thats why i focused on light weight which imo its quite soft. (bigbb33 said Ligh and welter), however i believe light weight is tougher, like Wandy in Pride fighting sakuraba, Erenesto Hoost, rampage, etc etc. Also as somebody said, Fedor is a small guy for heavyweight as u can see he fights bigger oponents always its simply because he doesnt cut weight, he doesnt even look defined (which happens when u cut weight), if he wanted he could fight in smaller divisions with his same strenght and he obviuosly would demolish every single one, BigBB33 simply isnt a big MMA fan becaus he doesnt know much.

Rampage doesn't fight in lightweight, neither do Hoost or any others you mentioned.

Oh and Fedor wrecking Nogeira bumps him up, had forgotten that. Still say the HW division is at a relative lull in terms of skill tho, and fedor therefore overrated.

Ok well let's move this to a more practical argument: You guys think if Fedor cut down to 205 he'd beat Silva? I think Silva would destroy Fedor at 205.

Adding this as you guys are saying Fedor could make 205 ez if he cared to.

There are some really retarded statements in this thread jesus...

most of them have to do with people actually saying fedor isn't the best. he's either the best or he's tied.

bigbb33, are you serious? are you saying that A Silva would beat Fedor at 205? A Silva walks around at 220 pounds and cuts to 185 beacuse he would get destroyed if he fought at heavyweight, while Fedor walks around at 230 and doesn't cut cause he's good enough to beat the heavyweights.

Fedor is def the greatest fighter ever