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you're not really making a case for fedor being overrated and HW sucking in general. you're just keep saying it.

On July 24 2008 08:49 masterfrywad wrote: you're not really making a case for fedor being overrated and HW sucking in general. you're just keep saying it.

Well same for the opposite case. It's hard to see how good the division itself is without respect to a longer period of time. It will be easy to see in 3-4 years, not so much in how Fedor does but in how much the HW division improves relative to other divisions in that same time frame. I think the HW division will see a much larger improvement relative to say the MW or LW divisions in the next 3-4 years, meaning that it is currently weak.

But yeah it's just my call right now, but then Fedor being amazing is also just someone else's call. To say he's great you have to say he beats other great fighters, and to do that you have to establish that, which is just as hard as establishing that they are not great without any external time frame being able to act as a reference. In other words, you can say Fedor is great cuz he dismantled Sylvia and Cro Cop and the rest and they are great fighters, but you can also say Fedor is overrated because he beats fighters that themselves are overrated, like Sylva and Cro Cop. And if all the fighters are overrated then the entire division is itself overrated, which is my position.

On July 24 2008 08:47 Sheitan wrote: Wow for the first time i have to agree with Baal ... I feel sick to my stomach

Don't open a book on the Holocaust then if this topic causes stomach problems.

On July 24 2008 07:54 bigbb33 wrote: I still think Fedor is way overrated; I always thought Sylvia sucked too. Don't really know who is good in the HW division though, they all seem to suck, unlike welterweight or lightweight which are completely stacked with sick fighters. Thinking over it I'd say Fedor is def. the best in the HW division, but overall the division just sucks more so than Fedor being amazing.

just fucking wow! do you think Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan are/were overrated too?

fighters will go their entire careers beating half as many "great" fighters as fedor and still be considered legends...much less doing so as impressively as fedor and without a single legit loss.

to say fedor is overrated is just...ridiculous.

Fedor is just way better than everyone else at HW. just cause he looks weird and unathletic doesn't mean hes not that good. maybe you haven't seen enough of his fights, but his striking is devastating, not quite at an anderson silva level imo, but I don't know of anyone else better. His wrestling skills are very good, if you saw him vs big nog you can see how easily he takes down big strong skilled opponents. His ground and pound is unmatched, and hes good from the bottom. Overall hes extremely agile for his size. I'm not sure where u see a weakness in his game.

Tyson griffin > fedor? rofl. pound for pound you can argue a few guys could be better, the spider, gsp and bj penn, but thats about it.

kid is #1 on my p4p list until:

bj penn beats anderson silva, or
gsp beats rampage, or
a. silva beats fedor, or
fedor beats a grizzly bear

On July 24 2008 08:10 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 07:54 bigbb33 wrote: I still think Fedor is way overrated; I always thought Sylvia sucked too. Don't really know who is good in the HW division though, they all seem to suck, unlike welterweight or lightweight which are completely stacked with sick fighters. Thinking over it I'd say Fedor is def. the best in the HW division, but overall the division just sucks more so than Fedor being amazing. Are you out of your mind? do you ever watch MMA? You think the 70kg weight division is somehow much sicker? lol... if you atleast said that the light heavy weight had tougher fighters then we could have a discussion but what u said is plain silly.

u don't think welterweight is tough?
GSP
Fitch
Thiago Alves
kos
Hughes
Karo Parisian
Diego
Jake Shields

Maybe 205 is tougher, but 170 is no joke.

also worth noting almost all of that talent is concentrated into one single promotion. the opposite would be the 155 division which is imo the best division in all of mma but the talent is spread out all over the place.

On July 24 2008 14:17 KeanuReaver wrote: kid is #1 on my p4p list until: bj penn beats anderson silva, or gsp beats rampage, or a. silva beats fedor, or fedor beats a grizzly bear

what if a grizzly bear beats an elephant?

imo kid > elephant

what does fedor weigh in at? any chance he could make 205?
has alves earned a title shot or does he have to fight kos for it?
when is kid v faber gonna happen?

hey
someone lemme in on where a good place to watch these fights online is?
I wanna get up to speed on this stuff
I've not really watched any of this since UFC started having weight divisions

yes that long ago

saying fedor is overrated is like saying the sun is overrated.

keep in mind fedor is like 225-230 pounds. most 205 pounders weigh that much if not more than him when they enter their camps, walk into the ring at almost that weight. in fact, many 185 pounders are doing that too. it's not entirely unfair for fedor to fight anyone in the 205 or 185 division. none of those people would fucking dare even try, though.

Fedor could make 205 or 185. however, I (personally) think the fact that he doesn't cut weight is part of why it makes him so great and that cutting weight is bad for many fighters and TERRIBLE for the sport.

On _JULY 24 2008 09:38 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 08:47 Sheitan wrote: Wow for the first time i have to agree with Baal ... I feel sick to my stomach Don't open a book on the Holocaust then if this topic causes stomach problems.

Care to explain what a Lololcaust is ? Sounds funny

stop with this p4p kid shit. hes a fucking can crusher. let me see him fight faber/pulver etc then we will talk. till then no one knows.


second you cant put anyone ahead of fedor on any list period.

gsp? questionable heart, doesnt have the best of chin. all hes done is dominate one dimensional wrestlers with his superior wrestling and size. gtfo out.

bj penn? only one close to fedor in terms of skill but he hasnt show the dominance fedor has and we've seen bj quit and look unimpressive many times. even against a rematch with a natural 145ers caol uno and first match with jens pulver.

anderson silva? no. although a great fighter i see weakness. hes been dominated in the past by lesser fighters.

fedor p4p # 1 easy gtfo.

On July 24 2008 15:16 mockturtle wrote: saying fedor is overrated is like saying the sun is overrated. keep in mind fedor is like 225-230 pounds. most 205 pounders weigh that much if not more than him when they enter their camps, walk into the ring at almost that weight. in fact, many 185 pounders are doing that too. it's not entirely unfair for fedor to fight anyone in the 205 or 185 division. none of those people would fucking dare even try, though. Fedor could make 205 or 185. however, I (personally) think the fact that he doesn't cut weight is part of why it makes him so great and that cutting weight is bad for many fighters and TERRIBLE for the sport.

also this. fedor could EASILY diet and make 205 and absolutely demolish that division. but fedor doesnt really seem to care about rankings and all that. so i doubt he does it.

fedor is kinda short and heavy so yeah he's kinda overrated slaying all those titans who are like 1 feet taller than him most fights

also fedor ground strikes in the guard are the most lethal ones ive seen. he went toe to toe with crocop in standup and dominated him, went mostly ground with minotauro on the ground and just demolished him twice, i mean ffs saying he's overrated is like saying muhamad ali is just lucky he didnt fight sugar ray leonard or roberto duran's weight class which was really really tough.

On July 24 2008 09:32 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2008 08:49 masterfrywad wrote: you're not really making a case for fedor being overrated and HW sucking in general. you're just keep saying it. Well same for the opposite case. It's hard to see how good the division itself is without respect to a longer period of time. It will be easy to see in 3-4 years, not so much in how Fedor does but in how much the HW division improves relative to other divisions in that same time frame. I think the HW division will see a much larger improvement relative to say the MW or LW divisions in the next 3-4 years, meaning that it is currently weak. But yeah it's just my call right now, but then Fedor being amazing is also just someone else's call. To say he's great you have to say he beats other great fighters, and to do that you have to establish that, which is just as hard as establishing that they are not great without any external time frame being able to act as a reference. In other words, you can say Fedor is great cuz he dismantled Sylvia and Cro Cop and the rest and they are great fighters, but you can also say Fedor is overrated because he beats fighters that themselves are overrated, like Sylva and Cro Cop. And if all the fighters are overrated then the entire division is itself overrated, which is my position.

WOW. OK you must be a really terrible poker player to think that an entire division of worldclass fighters just happens to be overrated and bad. Think of how statistically rediculous that is. Lets assume that the entire division really was overrated and crocop, fedor, sylvia, randlman, blah blah blah, are all bad but LOOK GOOD cuz their fighting each other. Now lets say at any time in this last 5 years 1 "actual good", "non overrated" guy stepped into the ring. Based off of your argument he would have already beaten all of these other fighters, including Fedor. I guess instead of that happening we just have a bunch of bad fighters who are extremely lucky to be at their prime at a time when the entire world only composes of solid lightweights and bad HW's.