I just don't know how free didn't win that 3rd game and why he massed zealots there? thats like losing a tournament from a 95% to 5% chip lead due to losing too many chips to NSD
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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 12 2020 02:33. Posts 2581
dunno why everyone seems to think PvP would be one of Flash's hardest matchups of the group. I would assume it would be his strongest since it often comes down to whoever micros 2 similar sized armies better and Flash has the best micro in the world.
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 12 2020 03:04. Posts 466
dunno why everyone seems to think PvP would be one of Flash's hardest matchups of the group. I would assume it would be his strongest since it often comes down to whoever micros 2 similar sized armies better and Flash has the best micro in the world.
Daut   United States. Oct 14 2020 04:20. Posts 8955
That Soulkey vs Mini base trading game was fucking awesome.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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CrownRoyal   United States. Oct 14 2020 14:22. Posts 11385
It mega tilts me that none of the protoss players make dark archons.
just by morphing one and having it they cannot do the muta templar snipe maneuver. Not to mention there is basically no way that it doesn't redeem some form of value by guaranteeing a godly storm on a single group of hydras at the very minimum.
WHAT IS THIS
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CrownRoyal   United States. Oct 14 2020 14:23. Posts 11385
also the quality of games this season has been spectacular.
WHAT IS THIS
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Oct 14 2020 16:11. Posts 5070
I personally haven't been blown away by the games at all, been the odd decent one here and there but lots of one sided games on the whole. The best is still yet to come yet though I think, looking forward to some close bo5 series
One day good. One day bad. And some days, even hope
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 14 2020 16:46. Posts 466
On October 14 2020 15:11 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
I personally haven't been blown away by the games at all, been the odd decent one here and there but lots of one sided games on the whole. The best is still yet to come yet though I think, looking forward to some close bo5 series
It's..
Flash vs Rush
Soma vs Snow
Larva vs Soulkey
Zero vs Best
.. I think Soma vs Snow and Larva vs Soulkey could be close. Leaning Soma and Larva.
I'd like to drop some action on Rush too. I think Flash got lucky in a couple of spots vs Snow.
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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 14 2020 20:17. Posts 2581
On October 14 2020 15:11 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
I personally haven't been blown away by the games at all, been the odd decent one here and there but lots of one sided games on the whole. The best is still yet to come yet though I think, looking forward to some close bo5 series
Really? I thought groups B and C had some of the best series of games we have had in a long time
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 14 2020 20:39. Posts 9634
On October 14 2020 15:46 captainhook wrote:
I think Flash got lucky in a couple of spots vs Snow.
How? Snow should've won both games, Flash just completely outplayed him and its not that Snow played poorly either, he brought his A game
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Oct 14 2020 20:57. Posts 5070
On October 14 2020 15:11 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
I personally haven't been blown away by the games at all, been the odd decent one here and there but lots of one sided games on the whole. The best is still yet to come yet though I think, looking forward to some close bo5 series
Really? I thought groups B and C had some of the best series of games we have had in a long time
Group B was exciting I thought, but largely because the players who were expected to advance by most didn't happen to make it, but the games themselves I thought were somewhat meh. It's probably cause I'm a zerg player cause I didn't enjoy any of the games Larva or Action played, but did think all of the games between Light and Best were very good.
Group C I enjoyed the very last game between SnOw and Free, that was a real edge of the seat game, and from my perspective, really hoping for SnOw to pull through. Nothing else was truly memorable to me though. None of the good games in RO16 involved a Zerg and that's probably where my disappointment lies.
In Group D, even though the games weren't close Soma does look like a beast. Hopefully get some close back and forth games between him and SnOw, that series has a lot of promise.
One day good. One day bad. And some days, even hope
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 18 2020 10:28. Posts 466
Live soon!
ASL 10 Ro8. Flash, Random vs Rush, Terran
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 18 2020 11:55. Posts 466
going early pool seems like the most logical thing to do as Flash in his first zerg game unless there is some meta behind the scene thing we don't know about
think soma wins vs snow and then beats flash though
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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 19 2020 01:09. Posts 2581
flash managed to kill more scvs with his reavers than any protoss we've seen in several seasons. He seems smarter with his targeting by targeting scvs closer to his reaver so scarab are less likely to dud instead of going for the money shots. Also impressed that he kept making reavers for the whole game. The reaver never stops being worth its cost, most people just stop making them because they are too micro intensive and they would rather focus on optimal macro.
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 19 2020 03:16. Posts 466
flash managed to kill more scvs with his reavers than any protoss we've seen in several seasons. He seems smarter with his targeting by targeting scvs closer to his reaver so scarab are less likely to dud instead of going for the money shots. Also impressed that he kept making reavers for the whole game. The reaver never stops being worth its cost, most people just stop making them because they are too micro intensive and they would rather focus on optimal macro.
He was spewy with the drops. The risk he took were arguably not worth it from a "his cost vs damage done on opponent" perspective, but from a psychological standpoint on Rush part and the pressure done on him were enough to make him play worse than he usually does.
It was a master class from Flash.
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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 19 2020 12:25. Posts 2581
flash managed to kill more scvs with his reavers than any protoss we've seen in several seasons. He seems smarter with his targeting by targeting scvs closer to his reaver so scarab are less likely to dud instead of going for the money shots. Also impressed that he kept making reavers for the whole game. The reaver never stops being worth its cost, most people just stop making them because they are too micro intensive and they would rather focus on optimal macro.
He was spewy with the drops. The risk he took were arguably not worth it from a "his cost vs damage done on opponent" perspective, but from a psychological standpoint on Rush part and the pressure done on him were enough to make him play worse than he usually does.
pretty spewy with some of his attacks as well with not the best engagements, micro, and army compositions. Most other pro Protoss's would have finished that game much more cleanly after the the failed 2 base push. If Flash pulls this off it's going to be through tactics and not technical finesse.
It's also possible that the cost/benefit perspective of drops is not viewed correctly in the first place. I think people tend to underrate lost mining time when there are worker transfers and only look at # of SCVs killed. Transferring all your workers to the other base to run away from a reaver probably loses hundreds of minerals in lost mining time. Artosis had a line, "If Flash does it then it's correct."
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captainhook   Canada. Oct 19 2020 14:32. Posts 466
flash managed to kill more scvs with his reavers than any protoss we've seen in several seasons. He seems smarter with his targeting by targeting scvs closer to his reaver so scarab are less likely to dud instead of going for the money shots. Also impressed that he kept making reavers for the whole game. The reaver never stops being worth its cost, most people just stop making them because they are too micro intensive and they would rather focus on optimal macro.
He was spewy with the drops. The risk he took were arguably not worth it from a "his cost vs damage done on opponent" perspective, but from a psychological standpoint on Rush part and the pressure done on him were enough to make him play worse than he usually does.
pretty spewy with some of his attacks as well with not the best engagements, micro, and army compositions. Most other pro Protoss's would have finished that game much more cleanly after the the failed 2 base push. If Flash pulls this off it's going to be through tactics and not technical finesse.
It's also possible that the cost/benefit perspective of drops is not viewed correctly in the first place. I think people tend to underrate lost mining time when there are worker transfers and only look at # of SCVs killed. Transferring all your workers to the other base to run away from a reaver probably loses hundreds of minerals in lost mining time. Artosis had a line, "If Flash does it then it's correct."