On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
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NewbSaibot United States. Oct 31 2014 15:45. Posts 4944
bye now
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Gnarly United States. Oct 31 2014 16:04. Posts 1723
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
Give an explanation. I dare ya.
He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?
btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)
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passiveace United States. Oct 31 2014 17:30. Posts 46
this thread is fucking hilarious.
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MyAnacondaDont United States. Oct 31 2014 18:00. Posts 164
on the flip side my best friend in middle school was a black female and i fell in love with her but she said i was too scrawny and white. she only dated black men.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
Give an explanation. I dare ya.
He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?
btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)
Hey,
I really liked how McGregor kicked ur ass, although i was cheering for u
lol @ people thinking white privilige has anything to do with race at this point
is this the 1850s or something ? :D
so fuckin brainwashed
Actually dunno, but there s definitely no white privilege in most of Europe, there is however class privilege and that is something standard at this point in society ( not that its morally right imo)
also how does one get to this subject when u start off from a stupidass feminist video
strongly doubt he meant blue and white collar. Yes, construction workers and cabbies are blue collar, but I didn't realise drunken dumbasses were also blue collar. Blue collar doesn't = lower class of society
I just saw this, well yeah being drunk doesn't automatically make you blue collar, it does turn off social obligations and barriers for many people though, is that really something I'm supposed to explain ?
Like how people in the low class are less educated therefore do dumb shit, and how alcohol has a numb effect which causes the same stuff?
Obviously I don't mean to offend construction workers or cabbies and etc. etc. There are many smart and good people working those stuff, its much more likely that someone with that profession however will do the stuff in the video rather than a lawyer or a doctor. Is that really something hard to understand? Or are we with politically correct bullshit here as well ? I'm sorry i can't do that
And obviously if you are well educated you will most likely prefer the job that pays higher and doesn't involved hard physical labor or is that something incorrect too ?
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
Give an explanation. I dare ya.
He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?
btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)
Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty.
>25% of their pop is in poverty
>yet black people make up only 13% of us's population
>so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty
>yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america
Diversify or fossilize!
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SugoGosu Korea (South). Nov 01 2014 06:30. Posts 1793
rural poverty =/= inner city poverty
Say this outloud! Why was six afraid of seven?......Because Seven Eight Nine
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 01 2014 06:54. Posts 2227
i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob
it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse
that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
Give an explanation. I dare ya.
He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?
btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)
Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty.
>25% of their pop is in poverty
>yet black people make up only 13% of us's population
>so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty
>yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america
Considering they only commit more crime in total by about 1%, it doesnt even matter if what i said made sense to you or not, you just flat out have a problem with other races, and it's quite plainly obvious. I won't waste anymore time with replies so save as much face as you can when you do kid!
On November 01 2014 05:54 Santafairy wrote:
i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob
it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse
that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry
bolded the key part. disproportionate advantages due to race. obviously any list--particularly a buzzfeed list--talking about white privilege in the US will have counter examples (as well as ridiculous overblown nonsense), but some counter examples dont tip the scales.
this is a better list of systemic, institutionalized racism in the US.
its really hard to get out of the uneducated/poverty cycle.
let me provide a poker example which should hit closer to home for most of you guys who are low stakes grinders:
imagine you are a .5/1 NL player with no other source of income. you have 2k in expenses a month and on average make 3k/month at .5/1. if you were to move up to 1/2 you would make 5k/month, and if you were to move down to .25/.5 you would make 1800/month. in order to play .5/1 you must have at least 5k online and you cant move up to 1/2 safely without 10k online.
today is november 1st, you paid off your november bills and have 2k in your bank account and 7k in your poker account. you hope that you can make 5k this month so you can cash out 2k, keeping yourself safe for december and giving yourself a chance to move up to 1/2 to have higher earnings. unfortunately you go on a downswing in november and lose 2k.
now its december 1, your bank account is empty, you have 5k online and a choice to make. do you cash out 2k and gamble with a roll unfit for playing .5/1? do you play .5/1 and skimp on expenses for a few days to try to make something happen early in the month? do you cash out 2k and move down in stakes? say you decide to be responsible and cash out 2k and move down in stakes. now you have 3k online, 2k in your bank account and can only play .25/.5. you now expect to make less each month than your expenses and unless something changes you will go broke in about a year.
getting out of a poverty rut is REALLY hard. a child is born into a family in a low income, high crime area, with parents who did not finish high school and barely have enough money to put food on the table and live month to month on expenses, but his parents really want him to have a better life. so many things have to go right from that point on. his parents need to grind for the first 18 years of his life just to get him through high school, he needs to either do really well in school or be a ridiculous athlete to get a scholarship to college: if he just gets in and opts for student loans he will be in debt and likely broke til hes well past 30. all the while surrounded by crime, poor school systems, and friends who dont have parents that push for success as hard as his do. its a really hard road out of the bottom. and supposing he makes it all the way to college graduate, he still needs to find a job that pays more than his expenses and gives him room for growth. and if he gets there with student loans that his parents cant pay off....he may find himself in the same cycle they were in. this kind of rut can take generations of grind to get out of.
things have improved dramatically for blacks in the last 50 years. and today racism is a fragment of what it was. 100+ years of race suppression makes it very hard for future generations to succeed. and racism DOES still exist. whites still do have societal advantages over blacks and hispanics. they arent what they once were, but providing counter examples where a white person was fucked over in some way doesnt disprove the class and race privilege.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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Gnarly United States. Nov 01 2014 14:15. Posts 1723
On November 01 2014 05:30 SugoGosu wrote:
rural poverty =/= inner city poverty
yeah, rural poverty is MUCH worse than inner city poverty. when you don't get ANY government help AND you're in poverty is when it's really bad. the poorest people in america are the white folk in some small towns near the east coast and the Appalachian mountains? please educate yourself.
Diversify or fossilize!
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Gnarly United States. Nov 01 2014 14:17. Posts 1723
On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote:
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america
If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.
This is why LP thinks you're a moron.
I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.
BAAL
Give an explanation. I dare ya.
He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?
btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)
Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty.
>25% of their pop is in poverty
>yet black people make up only 13% of us's population
>so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty
>yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america
Considering they only commit more crime in total by about 1%, it doesnt even matter if what i said made sense to you or not, you just flat out have a problem with other races, and it's quite plainly obvious. I won't waste anymore time with replies so save as much face as you can when you do kid!
what? like, what are you saying? who is "they" and whom are they committing more crime than?
>have a problem with other races
>would rather have haplotypes become more known so people actually know what the fuck they are
>would rather people have their own cultural identities instead of being forced to merge their cultures with other cultures
Diversify or fossilize!
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 01 2014 14:26. Posts 2227
yes there are inequalities about demographics. although some of them are largely historical, for instance employment by gender. men dominate some fields women dominate others but basically we've reached equality of opportunity which i believe is all that really matters
it doesn't make sense to me to frame any of these problems as "white privilege" because i think it tacitly assumes race is the fundamental issue and stops any intelligent discussion about how we can improve our society right now. i have never seen any literature from people who use the term "white privilege" (without a sense of irony) that has any thought provoking ideas about what to do next. because you're right poverty and crime and feedback cycles are at work here but these children on twitter have nothing better to do than bitch at like movies and video games, and this rhetoric is very divisive and does more to inhibit a rational discussion and people actually learning about each other and figuring shit out
i mean when i was a kid i played ymca basketball i don't go on tumblr now whining about black privilege that i couldn't get into the NBA or something? in any other context this is clearly not a way to approach something
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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Gnarly United States. Nov 01 2014 14:28. Posts 1723
On November 01 2014 05:54 Santafairy wrote:
i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob
it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse
that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry
bolded the key part. disproportionate advantages due to race. obviously any list--particularly a buzzfeed list--talking about white privilege in the US will have counter examples (as well as ridiculous overblown nonsense), but some counter examples dont tip the scales.
this is a better list of systemic, institutionalized racism in the US.
its really hard to get out of the uneducated/poverty cycle.
let me provide a poker example which should hit closer to home for most of you guys who are low stakes grinders:
imagine you are a .5/1 NL player with no other source of income. you have 2k in expenses a month and on average make 3k/month at .5/1. if you were to move up to 1/2 you would make 5k/month, and if you were to move down to .25/.5 you would make 1800/month. in order to play .5/1 you must have at least 5k online and you cant move up to 1/2 safely without 10k online.
today is november 1st, you paid off your november bills and have 2k in your bank account and 7k in your poker account. you hope that you can make 5k this month so you can cash out 2k, keeping yourself safe for december and giving yourself a chance to move up to 1/2 to have higher earnings. unfortunately you go on a downswing in november and lose 2k.
now its december 1, your bank account is empty, you have 5k online and a choice to make. do you cash out 2k and gamble with a roll unfit for playing .5/1? do you play .5/1 and skimp on expenses for a few days to try to make something happen early in the month? do you cash out 2k and move down in stakes? say you decide to be responsible and cash out 2k and move down in stakes. now you have 3k online, 2k in your bank account and can only play .25/.5. you now expect to make less each month than your expenses and unless something changes you will go broke in about a year.
getting out of a poverty rut is REALLY hard. a child is born into a family in a low income, high crime area, with parents who did not finish high school and barely have enough money to put food on the table and live month to month on expenses, but his parents really want him to have a better life. so many things have to go right from that point on. his parents need to grind for the first 18 years of his life just to get him through high school, he needs to either do really well in school or be a ridiculous athlete to get a scholarship to college: if he just gets in and opts for student loans he will be in debt and likely broke til hes well past 30. all the while surrounded by crime, poor school systems, and friends who dont have parents that push for success as hard as his do. its a really hard road out of the bottom. and supposing he makes it all the way to college graduate, he still needs to find a job that pays more than his expenses and gives him room for growth. and if he gets there with student loans that his parents cant pay off....he may find himself in the same cycle they were in. this kind of rut can take generations of grind to get out of.
things have improved dramatically for blacks in the last 50 years. and today racism is a fragment of what it was. 100+ years of race suppression makes it very hard for future generations to succeed. and racism DOES still exist. whites still do have societal advantages over blacks and hispanics. they arent what they once were, but providing counter examples where a white person was fucked over in some way doesnt disprove the class and race privilege.
Daut, this is an extremely bad example. for someone who is broke already and doesn't have a job on the side, it's going to be very fucking hard to get out of poverty. (much to say playing poker on scared money)
>his parents need to grind, even though govt checks are always coming in
>needs to do really well in school or athletic programs to get a scholarship, not just simply being hispanic or black or a female and simply applying for one
>taking out student loans (re: govt programs)
Bear in mind, if he takes out student loans and doesn't already have a known way how he will pay that back, that's fucking retarded. If you take out a loan, you better know how you are going to pay it back, when you're going to pay it back, and how much it's going to cost you to take out that loan.
Even then, there are plenty of stories of first generation immigrants coming over here with literally nothing in making themselves into something. What about the Jews who came over from Germany with nothing? You know jews only make up 2% of america's population yet account for way more than half of the 1%? How did they get themselves out of poverty so fast when their families were being gassed?
Again, let me reiterate this: there are more white people who are more poor than any other group in america. Imagine detroit, but you DON'T have a city government, which means you don't have things like a police department or health care or water services, meaning you have to get your own water from a well that's poisoned by lead, and you don't have any markets to go to so you have to hunt for your food, and you don't have electricity, so you have to make your own warmth or freeze to death.
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