Saying "Hello" is racist and homophobic - Page 2

ROFL they should go to Macau and see what happens

im friends with a bunch of door greeters from one of the major casinos, the low-class chinese will walk right up to them and eyefuck and sometimes even just grab ass/tits

White privilege denotes that non-white people are less than whites. If you believe in white privilege, you believe other races are subhuman compared to whites. Considering it's the year 2014, I'm very surprised that racism still rears its ugly head so often. MLK is rolling in his grave right now.

that's not what white privilege is you fucking retard. white privilege is the very opposite of stating that non-white people are less than whites.

I thought you meant it was racist against whites when you first posted (which would still be wrong - because it's an opinion formed based on misinformation, but at least it can be logically consistent), but saying that believing in white privilege means you're racist towards other races? what the fuck.

lol saw this vid other day. Thought it was pretty silly. Didn't think it was racist though. Looking at it kinda diff now I guess.

considering that white people are a global minority, how could it be that we, the global minority, rule the world in such a way that gives us the "old boy network" without being genetically superiors to those that outnumber us?

not only that, but if you say white privilege is real, then you should also look into chinese privilege, or jewish privilege. in china, you're going to be treated better being a chinese national than a foreigner. if you think me being white is going to be the reason why im treated so well over there, which im sure i wouldn't be treated so well, then you're fucking retarded. jews only make up 2% of the american population, yet make up about half the 1%. and you will NEVER hear about that on any major network.

tell me what white privilege is without being a racist. either towards white people or against white people. cause it's both.

Gnarly "White Privilege" means that white people have a privilege in society over "non white" people. I don't understand how you are confused by this.

"considering that white people are a global minority, how could it be that we, the global minority, rule the world in such a way that gives us the "old boy network" without being genetically superiors to those that outnumber us?"

Have you not heard of apartheid? Just because you may be a minority doesn't mean you don't hold power.

Yeah, the apartheid happening right now in S. Africa against white people? Oh, wait, who cares.

What society are you talking about? What privileges do I have that someone that isn't white lack? Can I get a good paying job at a fortune 500 just for being white? Nope, I need to go to college. What about the acceptance rate of differing races for college? You can find a site that actually tells you how likely you are to be accepted into any major university, and you know what? It became a meme due to the fact that if you're white, it's harder, and if you're black, you could literally fail and still get instant admission into most colleges. Even then, if I were somehow able to become a ceo for a big company, I'd be blasted for being white and taking a job that someone else of a different color or gender could've taken.

Am I able to be proud of my heritage? Nope, I'm white, therefor, being proud of my heritage means that I'm a racist. Can I have a group for white people in school? Nope, that'd be violence against ethnic groups, just like the Australians decided that a men's group for college would be violence against women. (which is beyond me) Can I say that the Irish had a hard time going through the potato famine, or that the ilalians were raped by the barbary pirates? Nah, those don't count... cause I'm white. Or what about the arab slave trade, or the russian serfdom? Do white people really hold power? Again, you imply genetic superiority for white people and genetic inferiority for non-white people.

Are you saying that chinese people in their own country don't have privilege, that if a white person comes by, they must bow down or something?

smh
racism still alive in 2014, typical.

1: being proud of your heritage is silly regardless of where you hail from, you had no involvement in the matter. Minorities however have been encouraged to be proud of their heritage to counterbalance the shame they used to feel about it. You can argue that it's silly in the same way, but it's basically an empowerment strategy.

2: How on earth are whites being a global minority in any way relevant to white privilege in Europe or USA?

3: If you think privilege equates to getting a good paying job at a fortune 500 for just being white, you're just an idiot. Privilege in this regard means stuff like : not having a 10x likelihood of being stopped or harassed by police regardless of whether crime has been committed. (This, on average, builds distrust, which equates to being less likely to function in accordance with society's expectations. That is not necessarily a bad thing, especially not for individuals, but when comparing stuff like wealth or health of a demographic, it is. ) Privilege even means that you are expected to do well - which on average translates to doing well. A black guy in school might be expected to do his literary analysis on 2pac, white guy on Shakespeare. One of those builds a more valuable skill-set for the future than the other. Then there's the whole networking aspect, which is just enormous..

here's what my guess on what this all stems from. You come from a white, but lower class background. This essentially means that many of the privileges that exist for most white people don't exist for you. Perhaps you even dress and or talk trashy - which can make you become discriminated against in much the same way ethnic minorities are. (regardless of how they dress or talk) So it almost ends up feeling the opposite way for you, you become upset because you've never felt any of this white privilege you hear about. You don't have the network that many white people do. You're almost like a black guy with a tiny penis - much worse than being a white guy with a tiny penis - because you fail to live up to the expectations people and society have towards you.

You do realize that blacks do commit the most crime in America? Blacks rape whites tens of thousands of times per year, while there will be years where not a single case of white on black rape is reported. You are still purporting genetic superiority as the reason for privilege, which is racist. You say that because black people are stopped more for crimes, even though their demographic is more likely to actually commit crime, that it's a privilege, which equates to being a racist. You also give them the idea that it's okay for them to commit those crimes, because black people are more likely to be stopped for them. Do you know who Eric Holder is? If not, do a little research on him and how he's instructed the schools of america to be lenient against black students, meaning that I, as a white person, would get suspended for an untucked shirt, while Tyrone, a black person, would get maybe a talking to for getting into a fight. Is that a privilege, that I'm expected not to cause trouble, but also be punished more severely when I do?

I am white, but the city I live in, I'm a minority. Of course, I should never be labeled a minority because of the national demographic.

When you say I don't live up to the expectation of being white, you imply that black people are expected to act a certain way, as well. In your own country, and other countries near you, they even go so far as to refrain from giving dogs bad stereotypes. They know that certain dogs are more aggressive than other, and certain dogs are smarter than others, but they'll be dead before you catch them admitting that in public. So, really, you're the racist by implying that black people are expected to cause trouble.

Most white people I know don't have a network of white people. Maybe old folks who are freemasons, but not a single fucking white person I know of my age has any sort of network. Many of the hispanics around me have their network. The place I work at? Every hispanic there is part of the same network, and nepotism is fucking rampant. All of the hispanics there are either family or have grown up together. Much like all of the other places I've ever worked. And you want to talk about expectations? These places place bets on when white people will quit. That's the expectation of being white: being a quitter.

And again, please note out some real privileges without resorting to genetics. Every time you mention something dealing with genetics, you imply superiority/inferiority.

On October 30 2014 02:17 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 22:15 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote: obviously he meant blue collar as opposed to white collar idd forgot the term

I strongly doubt he meant blue and white collar. Yes, construction workers and cabbies are blue collar, but I didn't realise drunken dumbasses were also blue collar. Blue collar doesn't = lower class of society

On October 30 2014 00:22 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 16:00 Gnarly wrote: Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases. There's also violence by proxy. I mean, I've denied a girl before and then she tried to say I raped her. I never know when a girl will retort to that if they approach me. You also depict women as the better sex by implying that women are able to handle rejection, which is sexist. Also, fuck louis. He buys into white privilege, which is a racist ideology. White privilege is clearly real though. What is wrong with acknowledging it or joking about it?

I dunno about US, but employers in Canada are encouraged (through tax subsidies) to hire women, people with disabilities, Aboriginal peoples, and visible minorities. Don't want to even get into all the grants and programs that "minorities" get with regard to education.

When you apply for a job there's always a little box at the bottom that asks if you're a part of one of these groups. If you are, you're automatically placed ahead of other (Read: white male) applicants. Don't get me wrong, they wont hire a female (or black person, whatever) high school graduate for an engineering job if there's a white male who has an engineering degree, but it's pretty brutal up here.

AHAHAHAHUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA gnarly omg too funny
is being a phenomenal retard a bannable offense here like it is on TL?

On October 30 2014 10:25 Gnarly wrote: You do realize that blacks do commit the most crime in America? Blacks rape whites tens of thousands of times per year, while there will be years where not a single case of white on black rape is reported. You are still purporting genetic superiority as the reason for privilege, which is racist. You say that because black people are stopped more for crimes, even though their demographic is more likely to actually commit crime, that it's a privilege, which equates to being a racist. You also give them the idea that it's okay for them to commit those crimes, because black people are more likely to be stopped for them. Do you know who Eric Holder is? If not, do a little research on him and how he's instructed the schools of america to be lenient against black students, meaning that I, as a white person, would get suspended for an untucked shirt, while Tyrone, a black person, would get maybe a talking to for getting into a fight. Is that a privilege, that I'm expected not to cause trouble, but also be punished more severely when I do? I am white, but the city I live in, I'm a minority. Of course, I should never be labeled a minority because of the national demographic. When you say I don't live up to the expectation of being white, you imply that black people are expected to act a certain way, as well. In your own country, and other countries near you, they even go so far as to refrain from giving dogs bad stereotypes. They know that certain dogs are more aggressive than other, and certain dogs are smarter than others, but they'll be dead before you catch them admitting that in public. So, really, you're the racist by implying that black people are expected to cause trouble. Most white people I know don't have a network of white people. Maybe old folks who are freemasons, but not a single fucking white person I know of my age has any sort of network. Many of the hispanics around me have their network. The place I work at? Every hispanic there is part of the same network, and nepotism is fucking rampant. All of the hispanics there are either family or have grown up together. Much like all of the other places I've ever worked. And you want to talk about expectations? These places place bets on when white people will quit. That's the expectation of being white: being a quitter. And again, please note out some real privileges without resorting to genetics. Every time you mention something dealing with genetics, you imply superiority/inferiority.

I never once said anything about genetics. I am saying that every difference between races is explainable by sociological differences that have no relation to genes, but that can be explained by history and psychology. From a cursory glance, you are the only person who has mentioned genes in this thread.

What I am saying is essentially four-fold: 1: There are historical reasons why black Americans ended up living in worse conditions than their white counterparts. This should not be hard to understand, even you can acknowledge that slavery actually did happen, and that even when slavery was abolished, black people were very much impoverished compared to white people . 2: Societal differences reproduce themselves throughout generations. This does not mean it is impossible for individuals to rise through the ranks of society, but it means that on average, if your parents are poor and uneducated, you are likely to be poor an uneducated, or at least you are likely to remain equally as poor an uneducated as your parents were relative to the rest of society. 3: Poverty and lack of education are factors that greatly explain crime, aggression, mostly every negative statistic where black people are overrepresented. 4: People are likely to behave in accordance with how they are expected to behave. And then I am saying that "profiling" happens through every layer of society, and that this influences behavior. Genes have nothing to do with my argument.

Then there's the comment on how minority groups are advantaged through grants etc. I'll accept one thing here; for white women, it seems that there is no need for further affirmative action regarding education. They've already surpassed white men, at least in countries where some quota programs have existed. But for other groups, grants, minority scholarships etc, they are supposed to counterbalance some of these differences in opportunity that stem from historical discrimination. Like, current positive discrimination to negate the still-felt effects from negative discrimination throughout most of history.. I understand that for an averagely or less than averagely capable white man with no real connections or network, it might seem harsh, and for an exceptionally gifted black man it might seem insulting, because his accomplishments get tainted by the idea that he was only able to accomplish this through positive discrimination, (like how women who quickly rise through company ranks will often have an implied blowjob queen-title) but I overall think affirmative action has done more good than bad, and that some is still needed. But I can absolutely accept arguments against affirmative action, I think there are many good ones. However the idea that through buying into white privilege, you are racist because you think whites are genetically superior to blacks, that is just plain idiocy.

>differences between races
>not because of genetics

Holiest of fucks. That's like saying the only reason why turtles are different on different Galapagos islands are because of their society.

Did you know there were white slaves in America? This shouldn't be hard to understand, just like it shouldn't be hard to understand that the very first slave owner in america was black. The thing is, is that during slavery, white people couldn't actually get jobs because of the slaves. Cheaper labor made it almost impossible for white america back then to actually exist. Then again, no one ever stops to think about that.

Poverty and lack of education don't create crime, because otherwise, we would've gone extinct before such ideas even arose. You also forget that there are more white people in america that are poor and lack education than there are black people. Just like a bulldog is expected to be aggressive, and a shibe is expected to be smart, it has to deal with GENETICS. Bulldogs have a lot more energy and different brain compositions than shibe's, who are more like a cat than a dog.

There shouldn't be a quota based on race. That's literally saying "because of the color of your skin, you get/don't get the job" Affirmative action has done wonders for white women, and has created a culture of entitlement in the black community. If you want things to reflect the demographics, you'd have to keep blacks at only 13% of any school population. It's like saying there should be so many doctors, which either forces people to become doctors or forces people to quit being a doctor through govt force.

Fuck off with your marxism.

You're trying to equate people with turtles to make a grand nature vs nurture argument?

But anyway, while the logic you presented earlier was dubious at best, you just now shattered it completely.
Things you have stated: 1: By believing in white privilege you are racist. You don't believe in it, by which I take it, you consider yourself non-racist. 2: There are differences in behavior between black people and white people. You alluded to some rape statistics to make your point here. 3: Differences between groups of people are explained by differences in genetical makeup, not society. By your logic, you must be racist because you believe there are differences between ethnicities and because you believe these are only explainable through genes.

I however, explain the differences through other means, and genetics are no necessary component of my analysis of difference between ethnic groups. How is that racist?

It's like, you could actually make a logically consistent and sound argument for racism. It's possible. I don't want to go down that road or even entertain the idea because the acceptance of there being genetical differences between people of different ethnicities has been the breeding ground for some of the worst atrocities ever committed by mankind. But you're not doing that anyway, you're trying to claim that not believing in genetics (and white privilege has nothing to do with genetics) as an explanation for ethnic differences is racist.

what you're saying is that people are only different because of their societies, not because of their immediate surroundings. that's like saying every good home produces only good kids. there are plenty of fucked up upbringings that actually produce good people, and plenty of good upbringings that produce fucked up people. even when black people are expected to succeed, they fail. we've given them everything, from easier access to college to literally not even needing to work, yet they still commit half of our crime. can you really sit there and say it's societies fault when society gave them a gold fucking platter?

yes there are differences in behavior, just like there are differences in behaviors for the asiatic and african lion, which happen to be genetically closer to each other than you or I am compared to someone from the congo. even the irish act differently than the british, such as the south koreans do from the north koreans.

To claim someone is a racist for thinking there are actual differences between races is fucking stupid. There are quite literally fields of science that catalog the differences between species. There are things like sickle cell which is something that black people are able to get, yet white people aren't. lactose digestion is most common in northern/western euro countries, but am I a racist for pointing that out?

you are okay with saying there are different breeds of dogs, but not humans? I mean, you can CLEARLY see how a german shephard is different from a chihauhua, and it's not their dog society that causes it. it's quite literally their genetics, from how their fur looks and feels, to how tall/long they are, to their digestive abilities, to their temperament/intelligence, to life expectancy, etc.. clearly, by your own logic, you're a breedist, or a dogist.. you probably think there's a difference between red and blue jays. I mean, after all, birds of a feather flock together. genetics in blue jays tell them to mate with blue jays, ditto with red. they don't go try to find a crow or a pigeon.

the definition of racism has been changed to simply mean that if a person believes there is a difference between a white person and a black person, which is ironic considering that a non-racist is labeling black and white people as different people, then they are a bigot. i don't think that all black people, or that all japanese people, or that all south american people act in a certain way, but I do believe that certain people do act, in general, certain ways. while they may act different, they are also acting the same in some aspects. this arises in differences in cultures. just like a tribe of monkeys in one spot of a forest act different to greet each other, they still greet each other, even though it's different from how the other tribe greets each other. certain tribes are more violent and that's part of their culture. (this was actually published in a study earlier this year about a certain breed of monkey using violence as cultural means)

>thinking that differences in skin color isn't due to genetics, but rather society
>not knowing that the sun will alter a species skin pigmentation/fur
>the further you are up from the equator, the lighter/furrier you are
>the closer you are to the equator, the darker/balder you are
>there are also different gravities around the world, which result in different skull sizes, much like how certain diets also the body
>people from a higher gravity tend to be smaller
>people from a lower gravity tend to be taller
>thinking there wouldn't eventually be differences between human populations if we colonized mars

I give example of white privilege. My father is a professional conman. Swindles millions. Been caught twice, last stint was 10 years. Hes obviously white because black people only rob liquor and convenient stores when they steal. Anyway, my one friend who is black, stole some shit because hes poor as fuck, shot in the heart, dead. My father is swindling 100,000s, millions, right the fuck now, and he ain't getting shot over it.. That's white privilege. If black men get shot for stealing sub 100$ shit, what you think happens to a black person who swindles millions? Its easier to be a big time conman when you are white instead of black. If my dad was black, never would of he had the opportunity to fuck people over so hard.

This thread is all over the place, i dont even know where to start. i sometimes think gnarly is on drugs because of how aggressive/incoherent he is in his posts. I watched the video yesterday and just shrugged it off yesterday, because like it or not, women are depicted as sex objects in this world. This is fact and i dont care what feminists say to try or change it. It will always be this way until the world blows up but thats a story for another time.

This doesnt mean women that all woman HAVE to be sex objects but why try and eliminate the other? When I don't go out with my girl or she is out with her friends i expect her to get the occasional 'cat call' and expect her to handle it properly if im not there. If they act on it its a different story. why censor it.

You have too many people in this world that complain that the world isn't fair and its not fair the world isnt fair kind of crap. That is the way god made it so thats how it is.

Now just cut and paste these ideas over to race and its the same thing with a new name. Racism is when my friend hates white people because they have it better than us and hate black people because they stole his ps3. He feels more comfortable with his own race, just as most people do in this world. Racism exists and is part of this world. It's good we've found ways to live around it in the world by behaving a certain way and not saying certain things out loud in public but its still there. Who knows, maybe in the future roles will reverse and things will happen and we have flying cars. But even in the futuristic movies, there are different races that will fill different slots.

just watch the first couple of minutes

On October 30 2014 14:00 MyAnacondaDont wrote: I give example of white privilege. My father is a professional conman. Swindles millions. Been caught twice, last stint was 10 years. Hes obviously white because black people only rob liquor and convenient stores when they steal. Anyway, my one friend who is black, stole some shit because hes poor as fuck, shot in the heart, dead. My father is swindling 100,000s, millions, right the fuck now, and he ain't getting shot over it.. That's white privilege. If black men get shot for stealing sub 100$ shit, what you think happens to a black person who swindles millions? Its easier to be a big time conman when you are white instead of black. If my dad was black, never would of he had the opportunity to fuck people over so hard.

I knew a guy who would shoplift from stores and get away with it by walking through the detector at the exit at the same time a random black guy did, the security would ALWAYS stop the black guy when the alarms went off while this guy would just walk away.

that is actually hilarious