Saying "Hello" is racist and homophobic - Page 6

White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength.

@fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check

@gnarly, you need to work on your hug game theory dude

i didn't realize LP.net turned into fucking tumblr

lol at "check your privilege" bahahahahahahaha

On October 31 2014 12:53 Royal_Rumble wrote: Show nested quote + On October 30 2014 10:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: 1: being proud of your heritage is silly regardless of where you hail from, you had no involvement in the matter. Minorities however have been encouraged to be proud of their heritage to counterbalance the shame they used to feel about it. You can argue that it's silly in the same way, but it's basically an empowerment strategy. 2: How on earth are whites being a global minority in any way relevant to white privilege in Europe or USA? 3: If you think privilege equates to getting a good paying job at a fortune 500 for just being white, you're just an idiot. Privilege in this regard means stuff like : not having a 10x likelihood of being stopped or harassed by police regardless of whether crime has been committed. (This, on average, builds distrust, which equates to being less likely to function in accordance with society's expectations. That is not necessarily a bad thing, especially not for individuals, but when comparing stuff like wealth or health of a demographic, it is. ) Privilege even means that you are expected to do well - which on average translates to doing well. A black guy in school might be expected to do his literary analysis on 2pac, white guy on Shakespeare. One of those builds a more valuable skill-set for the future than the other. Then there's the whole networking aspect, which is just enormous.. here's what my guess on what this all stems from. You come from a white, but lower class background. This essentially means that many of the privileges that exist for most white people don't exist for you. Perhaps you even dress and or talk trashy - which can make you become discriminated against in much the same way ethnic minorities are. (regardless of how they dress or talk) So it almost ends up feeling the opposite way for you, you become upset because you've never felt any of this white privilege you hear about. You don't have the network that many white people do. You're almost like a black guy with a tiny penis - much worse than being a white guy with a tiny penis - because you fail to live up to the expectations people and society have towards you. Liquid Drone showed some real class here. I do not understand how he can be a respected contributor to this site, feeling that he is morally and intellectually superior to Gnarly and then insulting him in this way and making assumptions that have no basis besides Drone's pathetic attempts to mimic Freud.

hey you know what, I actually agree. I should be too good to lose my cool, and the freudizing I sometimes like to do (it's actually a party trick I have great success with!!) should be kept out of debates.

Just that in this particular scenario, I only hardly agree. Firstly because if you look at the first highlight, I don't state that he's an idiot. I essentially ask him "is this your actual opinion? because it if it's, you're an idiot". These are two different things, it's a way of asking him to clarify something because surely he cannot have actually meant to say what he actually said.

Secondly, I think the Freudizing was spot on, and his personal stories and anecdotes most certainly back that up, and the tiny penis thing was just a race-related allegory attempting to be funny, not trying to say that he has a tiny penis. I don't think it was particularly funny and I'm not offended by you not thinking so either.

And thirdly I do genuinely think I am intellectually superior to Gnarly and I think that applies to most people here. Him not actually answering the people he discusses with is part of what makes me stray from "the more serious principles governing internet debates", just look at every post he makes towards me in the second page of this thread. The only thing he consistently does is make up opinions that I don't have and then argue against them or insult me for them. You can find multiple (definitely in the 3 digit range) examples of me engaging in debates on the internet without me asserting my intellectual superiority or otherwise acting like a dick, but I'd be hard pressed to even find one debate on this webpage involving Gnarly without someone calling him an idiot. There's a reason for that.

Drone, can you count how many times I've asked for the privileges white americans get to be quantified? Then, can you count how many times that question has been answered? Cause I'm still waiting for some hard facts rather than "basically racism oppresses" or "even though white people were enslaved in other parts of the world, blacks had it so much harder cause of what I'm told by liberal media". that's like saying women are "basically oppressed by sexism" in america. people like to dodge and personally attack when they are confronted with questions they can't answer.

>says im dodging questions
>but actually is the dodger

On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check

stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies.

I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.

Hey Gnarly do you mind posting a picture of yourself?

On November 03 2014 03:13 SugoGosu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies. I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.

What's funny is that a lot of europeans get their name changed to American sounding names. Italians, czechs, russians, etc.. So, again, how is that white privilege when a lot of "white" countries do it?

Take the "foreigner" idea and apply that in America. People would rather hire someone non-white than white here. Then again, when you say that even korean companies would rather hire a white person than a korean, are you implying that even the koreans are perhaps jealous of white people? why would a korean company hire whites over koreans without a specific reason? is it because all those companies are actually run by white people? is it so bad that these companies look for the most profitable candidates?

>most opportunities moving up the ladder

You should look at wealth demographics in America. You might be surprised at who's in the top five.

I think Gnarly has been privledged to post on the forum and should get his privileges revoked to only posting on his blog...

Can someone make a poll?

Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 03:56 Gnarly wrote:   On November 03 2014 03:13 SugoGosu wrote: [QUOTE]On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies. I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.   What's funny is that a lot of europeans get their name changed to American sounding names. Italians, czechs, russians, etc.. So, again, how is that white privilege when a lot of "white" countries do it?

I have never heard of this before, so I googled it and couldn't find any article or study that suggests it. I would like a source on this.

Take the "foreigner" idea and apply that in America. People would rather hire someone non-white than white here.

Are you talking about Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity? They were created to curb discrimination and were created for african americans and other minorities as getting a job and acceptance to universities is much harder for them. It's also the reason why they ban the use of photographs on job applications which is a very popular practice in Asian and a few European nations.

Then again, when you say that even korean companies would rather hire a white person than a korean, are you implying that even the koreans are perhaps jealous of white people? why would a korean company hire whites over koreans without a specific reason? is it because all those companies are actually run by white people? is it so bad that these companies look for the most profitable candidates?

What makes you think that Samsung, LG, CJ, Hyundai, Kia, Posco, SK, KT, Hanhwa, Daewoo, etc... are ran by white people? Since when are white people the most profitable? East Asian culture put a lot of pressure on status, and they have the assumption that America (more specifically white people) are rich. There are a lot of reasons for this, and I don't desire to write a book on the reasoning, but the short story is that America is the richest nation in the world, and English is the international language of information. White is considered attractive while blacks are gangsters and criminals (mostly as a result of hollywood and other forms of media and pop-culture). Therefore they have a belief that white americans are a source of power and information. Historically, many women who were in international relationships (i.e. asian woman with white male) were a whore / slut / etc... (to use Korean here, 김치년 (kimchi bitch) or 양공주 (foreigner princess)) as they were "cheating" in their rise in society (in addition to various personal emotions including "why are korean men not good enough for you?" )

>most opportunities moving up the ladder You should look at wealth demographics in America. You might be surprised at who's in the top five.

Ok, just America? Here are the top articles on the list from a 20 second google search
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/21/news/economy/wealth-gap-race/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/0...ighs-between-whites-blacks-hispanics/
http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/shapiro-thomas-m/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf
http://prospect.org/article/racial-wealth-gap


So white Americans are the wealthiest? I don't see a single source to back up your argument.

edited for formating

Right off the top of my head: Stephen Colbert. Though, he's a jew. Which, for your demographics, jews are counted as white people, not as ethnic jews. (ashkanazi) Then, after that, you have Indians. Then the Chinese, I believe. The problem with white asian black and latino is that you can't differentiate who's asian and who's white and whatnot. By lumping in the jews with white people, it's going to disinform you. I mean, our recent couple of fed chairmans have been jewish, most of the forbes top list are jewish, most of hollywood is jewish, most of media is jewish, etc..

Americans of Jewish descent have been disproportionately successful in many fields and aspects over the years.[12][13] The Jewish community in America has gone from a lower class minority, with most studies putting upwards of 80% as manual factory laborers prior to World War I and with the majority of fields barred to them,[14] to the consistent richest or second richest ethnicity in America for the past 40 years in terms of average annual salary, with extremely high concentrations in academia and other fields, and today have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the United States, at around double the average income of non-Jewish Americans.[15][16][17]

From the "american jews" wiki page. How did these poor minorities end up becoming so successful if poverty is so hard to escape?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobb...contributors_immigrants_minority.html

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

>curb discrimination
>by actively setting a racial quota
>harder to get into universities

I will go find the site for you where you can find out how likely you are to get accepted into universities based on your race and scoring, and I will also find you the applicant acceptance rating for medical schools. Black people make up a higher rating than white people. (though, I just have to find it) (this upcoming link isn't what Imma show you)

http://priceonomics.com/post/48794283...-colleges-discriminate-against-asians

Even in here it shows that black people AND hispanic people have a higher acceptance rate than white people.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-medical-school-acceptance-rates-from.html

For medical school acceptances. white - 36% black - 69% hispanic - 86%

I didn't say that korean companies are ran by white people, I was asking you, since you say you work for one. To me, when you say that koreans would rather hire white people, I question as to WHY. you say it's because the KOREAN people THINK that americans are rich.

Also, women in sweden call men who marry asian women to be misogynists and traitors of their country. everywhere in the world, interracial dating is going to get shit on. i hear brazil is actually pretty good about not shitting on it, though. so i don't see what the fuck your point about that has to do with anything.

i don't know what you all talking about, but in Russia this girl will be considered ugly and will not get any "hellos" at all excluding drunkards and wasted ppl

looks like there is a problem with women in US of A if C- looking hobbit-girl gets so much attention

On November 03 2014 05:33 casinocasino wrote: I think Gnarly has been privledged to post on the forum and should get his privileges revoked to only posting on his blog... Can someone make a poll?

this post doesn't contribute to the topic at hand or the threat at all. instead, it's only about a personal attack, which I think should be met with a ban. such unnecessary derailing makes this community look bad.

Poll: Should Gnarly be banned
(Vote): Yup
(Vote): This is racist

i don't know what ashkanazi means but it sounds like a language from middle earth

@SugoGosu

I'm failing at quoting you, but I can assure you that Europeans who have lived in America for awhile generally all go by Anglicized names. Not sure why you need a googled scientific study to understand this. Just ask some of the euro's on this board, they probably would or have done it.

I grew up near a pretty big Greek community with lots of fobs. Vasilios goes by Billy or Will. People named Christos or Nikos obviously go by Chris or Nick. More complicated names like Panayote or Stratis sometimes get kept but it's not uncommon for them to just go by Pete or Steve as well.

I'm fairly confident people with names that are either hard for anglos to pronounce or significantly rare/odd would anglicize their names as well especially if there's a close English approximation (i.e. Petr, Geert, Gijs, Jaap, Joop).

The only real exceptions I see to this are Spanish and French names as they've always been pretty common in North America. Even still, you have a lot of people from Quebec or 3rd/4th generation Italians who still go by anglicized names (i.e. I have a friend who's real first name is Giuseppe but he always goes by "Dom" or "Domenic" as it's his middle name and a bit more normal).

Dunno why I took multiple paragraphs to explain that but I think you're either being intentionally dishonest or incredibly ignorant to the European immigrant communities in the U.S. if you're disputing this point.

1. enter into an intelligent dialogue with gnarly
2. ???
3. loss
4. repeat

im going to add some serious fuel to this discussion, and remember where I live when I say these words.

You cant just ignore all the statistics Gnarly post and justify them under slavery 150 years ago and subsequent racism, certainly its a defining huge factor but I think an even bigger factor is culture and I believe that because of my own experience with Mexican culture.

A few years ago we were in need of programmers and designers for LiquidPoker and we hired two Mexicans and it didnt go well, we ended up having to hire considerably more expensive european employees because simply the Mexicans were not as industrious and not as reliable and thats is simply a reflection of the culture of our countries, a german in average simply will outperform a Mexican in most jobs, not because their are smarter or genetically superior, simply because we have different cultures, Germans have values of hard work and integrity, Mexicans value family cheerfulness, etc.

So I don't think its whites what its keeping blacks down, they are simply victims of their own culture, and if you speak with somewhat successful in a third world country you will see alike opinions, maybe its harder for somebody like Drone who has lived in Europe all his life to see this.

On November 03 2014 17:43 nolan wrote: @SugoGosu I'm failing at quoting you, but I can assure you that Europeans who have lived in America for awhile generally all go by Anglicized names. Not sure why you need a googled scientific study to understand this. Just ask some of the euro's on this board, they probably would or have done it. I grew up near a pretty big Greek community with lots of fobs. Vasilios goes by Billy or Will. People named Christos or Nikos obviously go by Chris or Nick. More complicated names like Panayote or Stratis sometimes get kept but it's not uncommon for them to just go by Pete or Steve as well. I'm fairly confident people with names that are either hard for anglos to pronounce or significantly rare/odd would anglicize their names as well especially if there's a close English approximation (i.e. Petr, Geert, Gijs, Jaap, Joop). The only real exceptions I see to this are Spanish and French names as they've always been pretty common in North America. Even still, you have a lot of people from Quebec or 3rd/4th generation Italians who still go by anglicized names (i.e. I have a friend who's real first name is Giuseppe but he always goes by "Dom" or "Domenic" as it's his middle name and a bit more normal). Dunno why I took multiple paragraphs to explain that but I think you're either being intentionally dishonest or incredibly ignorant to the European immigrant communities in the U.S. if you're disputing this point.

Oh Im sorry, i just never heard of it before. I am aware that many people do pick up English names, but my knowledge was only from my Chinese friends from high school who were mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. All of my russian friends keep their native names so I was skeptical and couldnt find any recent report about it on google. Sorry.

On November 03 2014 12:39 Gnarly wrote: Right off the top of my head: Stephen Colbert. Though, he's a jew. Which, for your demographics, jews are counted as white people, not as ethnic jews. (ashkanazi) Then, after that, you have Indians. Then the Chinese, I believe. The problem with white asian black and latino is that you can't differentiate who's asian and who's white and whatnot. By lumping in the jews with white people, it's going to disinform you. I mean, our recent couple of fed chairmans have been jewish, most of the forbes top list are jewish, most of hollywood is jewish, most of media is jewish, etc.. Show nested quote + Americans of Jewish descent have been disproportionately successful in many fields and aspects over the years.[12][13] The Jewish community in America has gone from a lower class minority, with most studies putting upwards of 80% as manual factory laborers prior to World War I and with the majority of fields barred to them,[14] to the consistent richest or second richest ethnicity in America for the past 40 years in terms of average annual salary, with extremely high concentrations in academia and other fields, and today have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the United States, at around double the average income of non-Jewish Americans.[15][16][17] From the "american jews" wiki page. How did these poor minorities end up becoming so successful if poverty is so hard to escape? http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobb...contributors_immigrants_minority.html   East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites. >curb discrimination >by actively setting a racial quota >harder to get into universities I will go find the site for you where you can find out how likely you are to get accepted into universities based on your race and scoring, and I will also find you the applicant acceptance rating for medical schools. Black people make up a higher rating than white people. (though, I just have to find it) (this upcoming link isn't what Imma show you) http://priceonomics.com/post/48794283...-colleges-discriminate-against-asians Even in here it shows that black people AND hispanic people have a higher acceptance rate than white people. http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-medical-school-acceptance-rates-from.html For medical school acceptances. white - 36% black - 69% hispanic - 86% I didn't say that korean companies are ran by white people, I was asking you, since you say you work for one. To me, when you say that koreans would rather hire white people, I question as to WHY. you say it's because the KOREAN people THINK that americans are rich. Also, women in sweden call men who marry asian women to be misogynists and traitors of their country. everywhere in the world, interracial dating is going to get shit on. i hear brazil is actually pretty good about not shitting on it, though. so i don't see what the fuck your point about that has to do with anything.

Im on my phone at the moment, so i first apologize if this post is a bit difficult to understand. You first asked about wealth demographics in America. I then show you that whites have the most wealth, and you refute it by bringing up articles about Affirmative Action.

Affirmative Action was a tool that was used to shrink the gap long-term, and quotas were introduced to public schools (im unsure if private academic institutions are required to abide by this). Ill admit that affirmative action has its own problems, but it was introduced originally for good reasons, but its implememtation could have been better as it doesnt target those from poor rural areas of America who have a sub-par secondary education. But instead it targeted those with the lowest graduation rate in inner-city areas that is riddled with gang violence. Its used in a way to lift those out of poverty and have been historically discriminated against.

Wouldnt this be beneficial as your belief of diversity being what makes America wonderful and great?

Anyways, the older generation in many parts of Asia, especially in nations that have been "westernized" for a shorter period of time (south east asia and Korea) do hold the notion that those from European, America, Canada, and Australia descent are wealthy. Mostly as a result of their own personal experiences growing up.

I apologize for my wording before, i was trying to attack multiple points at the same time. I should work on my writing I suppose.

Ill try again.

The reason many whites in Asian nations have more employment possibilities in large international conglomerates than natives isnt because we are "wealthy" but instead because of our language. Since English is the universal language of information, native English speakers have an upper hand in landing opportunities . The majority of white expats are either native English speakers, or normally are believed to have a better grasp of the language than those native to the nation. They are believed to be more capable of communicating with the international world which imports the most products and services. Its also the reason English test scores are so important for jobs and university acceptance.