Saying "Hello" is racist and homophobic

http://www.ihollaback.org/blog/2014/10/27/new-street-harassment-psa/

You won’t believe how many times this woman gets harassed in 10 hours.

It's fucking unbelievable how men can get away with rape so easily. In broad daylight, this woman was just trying to simply have a nice walk in the city, and yet, that doesn't stop these racists from jumping up at their chance to rape this defenseless woman. There was even a guy who raped her for an entire four minutes. These creeps need to be euthanized so that society can progress. Racism and homophobia have no place in society.

These forms of harassment are not just sexist — but also racist and homophobic in nature.

Please donate your shekels to this great cause. For every $10 you donate, you actively prevent one case of rape. If you don't give this woman any money, then you are implicit in the abetting of rape.

as with everything, the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the extreme opinions.

"good morning" and "hello" are not harassment and generally meant as a kind gesture, but a girl doesnt know what guy will take a denial the wrong way and explode. whenever these discussions come up, im always reminded of the louis ck clip:



men can be really dangerous, women who walk around and feel harassed may also fear for their lives.


on the other hand, the video is pretty racist.

@pushinghoops · 7h 7 hours ago a white woman filming & shaming black men for saying hi to her are you sure your gender equality doesnt look a lot like class+race anxiety

Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases. There's also violence by proxy. I mean, I've denied a girl before and then she tried to say I raped her. I never know when a girl will retort to that if they approach me. You also depict women as the better sex by implying that women are able to handle rejection, which is sexist.

Also, fuck louis. He buys into white privilege, which is a racist ideology.

well when the job market is no good you can just make a feminist website and ask for money i guess

On October 29 2014 16:00 Gnarly wrote: Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases.

cuz of metagame

On October 29 2014 16:01 Santafairy wrote: well when the job market is no good you can just make a feminist website and ask for money i guess

The job market never deteriorated since the 08 crash for the female demographic. Only the male side did. Also, in South Korea, don't more women have jobs than men?

too ugly for you? looooool

That video is biased and designed to stir controversy.

I'm really surprised that anybody acts in this way though. I've never seen people act like that in europe and I don't believe it's because I'm a guy for a second.

On October 29 2014 15:51 Daut wrote: men can be really dangerous, women who walk around and feel harassed may also fear for their lives.

Yeah they are physically able to overpower women but that's irrelvant. You think a woman should fear for her life on a city street in broad daylight as per the video? If she's EVER fearful of her life in that situation then that's a highly irrational woman. If it was 4 am down a dark alley near a seedy nightclub then it's a different story, eh? She wasn't being harassed although she did put herself in a position of being excessively greeted/complimented and approached. Silence drives people nuts and even in the audience (us) it stirs controversy because she's moving like an unnatural force. People are meant to communicate and respond to each other. Instead, she was passively provoking the people that approached her by not answering. I guess some men were bored so they decided to follow and mimic her. Sure, it can be seen as creepy but it was also edited so we never saw how that ended and I bet it's because she caved and told them to fuck off. Or wait, we're supposed to believe she walked for 10 hours without saying a word, right? No, this was 10 hours edited down to 2 minutes to be as provocative as possible.

It's not like this never happens in Europe, but the times I myself have seen it was either made by someone who seemed like part of the low class of society like construction workers & cab drivers, or drunk dumbasses. And it's still something quite rare. I have a hard time bringing myself to believe its something standard in the US

Since when is "you re beautiful " a harassment, sure its highly inappropriate, but harassment ?

Women do not have more jobs in SK than men. You're pulling this shit out of your ass. Patriarchy Confucius bullshit reigns in SK and women, despite going through the same education as men are pressured to get married, stay at home, and take care of the children.

If you think white privilege doesn't exist, you're wrong and completely ignoring the effects of stereotypes on minorities.

I can't find the article that I read on the south korean thing, but I remember reading comments made by south korean on twitter about it and how it was because men were forced to do three years military service and women don't have to.

But on the minorities thing, what exactly is a minority? Should we consider, in America, a nation where 65% is white, a city that is 90% black to be a minority city, so to say? Would someone that wasn't black not be a minority in that city, regardless if they were white? Then again, are you talking globally, where white people don't even make up 15% of the population?

On October 29 2014 18:01 Tensai176 wrote: Women do not have more jobs in SK than men. You're pulling this shit out of your ass. Patriarchy Confucius bullshit reigns in SK and women, despite going through the same education as men are pressured to get married, stay at home, and take care of the children.

Well, I wouldn't go to that extent personally in my climate but it needs to be recognised that is a highly effective way of doing things and the way it was done for a very long time. Now that there is less of a pressure for that family system we have all kinds of relationships.

On October 29 2014 17:30 Spitfiree wrote: It's not like this never happens in Europe, but the times I myself have seen it was either made by someone who seemed like part of the low class of society like construction workers & cab drivers, or drunk dumbasses. And it's still something quite rare. I have a hard time bringing myself to believe its something standard in the US Since when is "you re beautiful " a harassment, sure its highly inappropriate, but harassment ?

Hey! construction workers literally built this city, lay off pal, who you calling low class, eh!?! pfff

Well, the reason her state of dress isn't perceived sexually provocative or is overlooked is because it's just everywhere. It's just out there now, people generally think it's trendy and accept it as being fine and think little more of it... roll back 70 years and you would never see a woman dressed like she is now. Go to some places in the world and you'll get stoned, beaten, ridiculed, raped and the community will be overwhelmingly behind it. As western women have become more sexual at the same time men are socially expected to suppress sexual urges right infront of them 24/7. Fuck that. That's not natural, healthy or realistic so lets not pretend that it is. Everyone is checking girls out all the time but they usually aren't that vocal about it. That said, If a guy says you're beautiful or you've got a great ass then as a sexualised well dressed western woman that's something you've just gotta deal with because hey, you probably fucking do. We didn't forfeit our sexuality just because women decided to become more sexualised socially.

There's clearly a huge market of women who have no idea or are in denial over how sexual their image is. Like, as I brought up in Joeingram1's blog before, male-male and female-female sexual/physical/style attraction exists for everyone. It's an important factor in how we connect with people and how we choose friends but we rarely think and never talk about it. Forget about being gay for a second and realise how the fashion industry exploits that repressed hidden connection with your sex. It's not gay to read mens health or any female style magazine but that's a form of socially accepted sexual/style/lifestyle pornography. It's so accepted people don't even think of it in those terms. I'm sure people do masturbate to those magazines but the majority who don't still look at the models who have or are perceived to have everything and people can't get enough of it. Even though it's fake, for you somehow there's a hope it could be real if you read their workouts, style tips and buying advice.

On October 29 2014 17:30 Spitfiree wrote: part of the low class of society like construction workers & cab drivers, or drunk dumbasses.

Wow.... equating construction workers to a low class of society...

Wow...

obviously he meant blue collar as opposed to white collar

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/eb...8/10-hours-of-walking-in-nyc-as-a-man

tip top goes the kek

On October 29 2014 16:00 Gnarly wrote: Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases. There's also violence by proxy. I mean, I've denied a girl before and then she tried to say I raped her. I never know when a girl will retort to that if they approach me. You also depict women as the better sex by implying that women are able to handle rejection, which is sexist. Also, fuck louis. He buys into white privilege, which is a racist ideology.

White privilege is clearly real though. What is wrong with acknowledging it or joking about it?

lol dudes saying harassment isnt a problem

Iv seen my mom, sister, cousins, gf subjected to random harassment more times then i can count. why should they have to put up with that shit but i dont? I think its more of an issue then people make it out to be.
@the person who said women who commit domestic abuse crimes are more likely to use weapons
if your posts are satirical then you are a fucking genius
white privilege = ideology lmfao good stuff m8 10/10

On October 29 2014 22:15 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote: obviously he meant blue collar as opposed to white collar

idd forgot the term

On October 30 2014 00:22 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 16:00 Gnarly wrote: Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases. There's also violence by proxy. I mean, I've denied a girl before and then she tried to say I raped her. I never know when a girl will retort to that if they approach me. You also depict women as the better sex by implying that women are able to handle rejection, which is sexist. Also, fuck louis. He buys into white privilege, which is a racist ideology. White privilege is clearly real though. What is wrong with acknowledging it or joking about it?

ehh, white privilege is true to an extent I think, but maybe it is exaggerated?. Like stop and frisk in New York that targets mostly minorities is a clear example of white privilege. But you also have to ask questions like, is it the fact that stop and frisk is implemented in neighbourhoods with high % minorities because that's where the crime rates are highest (not saying this is the case, just an idea or something to think about)? Just simple things that might correlate but that doesn't prove anything. I also have a tough time understanding white privilege fully as I'm from Canada, from a place that's mostly white people. I do, though, go to Vancouver fairly often where obviously there are tons of "minorities" (we don't really associate non white people as minorities here, they are just people) and I've never noticed any discrimination.

ROFL they should go to Macau and see what happens

im friends with a bunch of door greeters from one of the major casinos, the low-class chinese will walk right up to them and eyefuck and sometimes even just grab ass/tits

White privilege denotes that non-white people are less than whites. If you believe in white privilege, you believe other races are subhuman compared to whites. Considering it's the year 2014, I'm very surprised that racism still rears its ugly head so often. MLK is rolling in his grave right now.

that's not what white privilege is you fucking retard. white privilege is the very opposite of stating that non-white people are less than whites.

I thought you meant it was racist against whites when you first posted (which would still be wrong - because it's an opinion formed based on misinformation, but at least it can be logically consistent), but saying that believing in white privilege means you're racist towards other races? what the fuck.

lol saw this vid other day. Thought it was pretty silly. Didn't think it was racist though. Looking at it kinda diff now I guess.

considering that white people are a global minority, how could it be that we, the global minority, rule the world in such a way that gives us the "old boy network" without being genetically superiors to those that outnumber us?

not only that, but if you say white privilege is real, then you should also look into chinese privilege, or jewish privilege. in china, you're going to be treated better being a chinese national than a foreigner. if you think me being white is going to be the reason why im treated so well over there, which im sure i wouldn't be treated so well, then you're fucking retarded. jews only make up 2% of the american population, yet make up about half the 1%. and you will NEVER hear about that on any major network.

tell me what white privilege is without being a racist. either towards white people or against white people. cause it's both.

Gnarly "White Privilege" means that white people have a privilege in society over "non white" people. I don't understand how you are confused by this.

"considering that white people are a global minority, how could it be that we, the global minority, rule the world in such a way that gives us the "old boy network" without being genetically superiors to those that outnumber us?"

Have you not heard of apartheid? Just because you may be a minority doesn't mean you don't hold power.

Yeah, the apartheid happening right now in S. Africa against white people? Oh, wait, who cares.

What society are you talking about? What privileges do I have that someone that isn't white lack? Can I get a good paying job at a fortune 500 just for being white? Nope, I need to go to college. What about the acceptance rate of differing races for college? You can find a site that actually tells you how likely you are to be accepted into any major university, and you know what? It became a meme due to the fact that if you're white, it's harder, and if you're black, you could literally fail and still get instant admission into most colleges. Even then, if I were somehow able to become a ceo for a big company, I'd be blasted for being white and taking a job that someone else of a different color or gender could've taken.

Am I able to be proud of my heritage? Nope, I'm white, therefor, being proud of my heritage means that I'm a racist. Can I have a group for white people in school? Nope, that'd be violence against ethnic groups, just like the Australians decided that a men's group for college would be violence against women. (which is beyond me) Can I say that the Irish had a hard time going through the potato famine, or that the ilalians were raped by the barbary pirates? Nah, those don't count... cause I'm white. Or what about the arab slave trade, or the russian serfdom? Do white people really hold power? Again, you imply genetic superiority for white people and genetic inferiority for non-white people.

Are you saying that chinese people in their own country don't have privilege, that if a white person comes by, they must bow down or something?

smh
racism still alive in 2014, typical.

1: being proud of your heritage is silly regardless of where you hail from, you had no involvement in the matter. Minorities however have been encouraged to be proud of their heritage to counterbalance the shame they used to feel about it. You can argue that it's silly in the same way, but it's basically an empowerment strategy.

2: How on earth are whites being a global minority in any way relevant to white privilege in Europe or USA?

3: If you think privilege equates to getting a good paying job at a fortune 500 for just being white, you're just an idiot. Privilege in this regard means stuff like : not having a 10x likelihood of being stopped or harassed by police regardless of whether crime has been committed. (This, on average, builds distrust, which equates to being less likely to function in accordance with society's expectations. That is not necessarily a bad thing, especially not for individuals, but when comparing stuff like wealth or health of a demographic, it is. ) Privilege even means that you are expected to do well - which on average translates to doing well. A black guy in school might be expected to do his literary analysis on 2pac, white guy on Shakespeare. One of those builds a more valuable skill-set for the future than the other. Then there's the whole networking aspect, which is just enormous..

here's what my guess on what this all stems from. You come from a white, but lower class background. This essentially means that many of the privileges that exist for most white people don't exist for you. Perhaps you even dress and or talk trashy - which can make you become discriminated against in much the same way ethnic minorities are. (regardless of how they dress or talk) So it almost ends up feeling the opposite way for you, you become upset because you've never felt any of this white privilege you hear about. You don't have the network that many white people do. You're almost like a black guy with a tiny penis - much worse than being a white guy with a tiny penis - because you fail to live up to the expectations people and society have towards you.

You do realize that blacks do commit the most crime in America? Blacks rape whites tens of thousands of times per year, while there will be years where not a single case of white on black rape is reported. You are still purporting genetic superiority as the reason for privilege, which is racist. You say that because black people are stopped more for crimes, even though their demographic is more likely to actually commit crime, that it's a privilege, which equates to being a racist. You also give them the idea that it's okay for them to commit those crimes, because black people are more likely to be stopped for them. Do you know who Eric Holder is? If not, do a little research on him and how he's instructed the schools of america to be lenient against black students, meaning that I, as a white person, would get suspended for an untucked shirt, while Tyrone, a black person, would get maybe a talking to for getting into a fight. Is that a privilege, that I'm expected not to cause trouble, but also be punished more severely when I do?

I am white, but the city I live in, I'm a minority. Of course, I should never be labeled a minority because of the national demographic.

When you say I don't live up to the expectation of being white, you imply that black people are expected to act a certain way, as well. In your own country, and other countries near you, they even go so far as to refrain from giving dogs bad stereotypes. They know that certain dogs are more aggressive than other, and certain dogs are smarter than others, but they'll be dead before you catch them admitting that in public. So, really, you're the racist by implying that black people are expected to cause trouble.

Most white people I know don't have a network of white people. Maybe old folks who are freemasons, but not a single fucking white person I know of my age has any sort of network. Many of the hispanics around me have their network. The place I work at? Every hispanic there is part of the same network, and nepotism is fucking rampant. All of the hispanics there are either family or have grown up together. Much like all of the other places I've ever worked. And you want to talk about expectations? These places place bets on when white people will quit. That's the expectation of being white: being a quitter.

And again, please note out some real privileges without resorting to genetics. Every time you mention something dealing with genetics, you imply superiority/inferiority.

On October 30 2014 02:17 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 22:15 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote: obviously he meant blue collar as opposed to white collar idd forgot the term

I strongly doubt he meant blue and white collar. Yes, construction workers and cabbies are blue collar, but I didn't realise drunken dumbasses were also blue collar. Blue collar doesn't = lower class of society

On October 30 2014 00:22 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 16:00 Gnarly wrote: Women can be really dangerous, just as well, if not more so. Women use weapons more than men in domestic abuse cases. There's also violence by proxy. I mean, I've denied a girl before and then she tried to say I raped her. I never know when a girl will retort to that if they approach me. You also depict women as the better sex by implying that women are able to handle rejection, which is sexist. Also, fuck louis. He buys into white privilege, which is a racist ideology. White privilege is clearly real though. What is wrong with acknowledging it or joking about it?

I dunno about US, but employers in Canada are encouraged (through tax subsidies) to hire women, people with disabilities, Aboriginal peoples, and visible minorities. Don't want to even get into all the grants and programs that "minorities" get with regard to education.

When you apply for a job there's always a little box at the bottom that asks if you're a part of one of these groups. If you are, you're automatically placed ahead of other (Read: white male) applicants. Don't get me wrong, they wont hire a female (or black person, whatever) high school graduate for an engineering job if there's a white male who has an engineering degree, but it's pretty brutal up here.

AHAHAHAHUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA gnarly omg too funny
is being a phenomenal retard a bannable offense here like it is on TL?

On October 30 2014 10:25 Gnarly wrote: You do realize that blacks do commit the most crime in America? Blacks rape whites tens of thousands of times per year, while there will be years where not a single case of white on black rape is reported. You are still purporting genetic superiority as the reason for privilege, which is racist. You say that because black people are stopped more for crimes, even though their demographic is more likely to actually commit crime, that it's a privilege, which equates to being a racist. You also give them the idea that it's okay for them to commit those crimes, because black people are more likely to be stopped for them. Do you know who Eric Holder is? If not, do a little research on him and how he's instructed the schools of america to be lenient against black students, meaning that I, as a white person, would get suspended for an untucked shirt, while Tyrone, a black person, would get maybe a talking to for getting into a fight. Is that a privilege, that I'm expected not to cause trouble, but also be punished more severely when I do? I am white, but the city I live in, I'm a minority. Of course, I should never be labeled a minority because of the national demographic. When you say I don't live up to the expectation of being white, you imply that black people are expected to act a certain way, as well. In your own country, and other countries near you, they even go so far as to refrain from giving dogs bad stereotypes. They know that certain dogs are more aggressive than other, and certain dogs are smarter than others, but they'll be dead before you catch them admitting that in public. So, really, you're the racist by implying that black people are expected to cause trouble. Most white people I know don't have a network of white people. Maybe old folks who are freemasons, but not a single fucking white person I know of my age has any sort of network. Many of the hispanics around me have their network. The place I work at? Every hispanic there is part of the same network, and nepotism is fucking rampant. All of the hispanics there are either family or have grown up together. Much like all of the other places I've ever worked. And you want to talk about expectations? These places place bets on when white people will quit. That's the expectation of being white: being a quitter. And again, please note out some real privileges without resorting to genetics. Every time you mention something dealing with genetics, you imply superiority/inferiority.

I never once said anything about genetics. I am saying that every difference between races is explainable by sociological differences that have no relation to genes, but that can be explained by history and psychology. From a cursory glance, you are the only person who has mentioned genes in this thread.

What I am saying is essentially four-fold: 1: There are historical reasons why black Americans ended up living in worse conditions than their white counterparts. This should not be hard to understand, even you can acknowledge that slavery actually did happen, and that even when slavery was abolished, black people were very much impoverished compared to white people . 2: Societal differences reproduce themselves throughout generations. This does not mean it is impossible for individuals to rise through the ranks of society, but it means that on average, if your parents are poor and uneducated, you are likely to be poor an uneducated, or at least you are likely to remain equally as poor an uneducated as your parents were relative to the rest of society. 3: Poverty and lack of education are factors that greatly explain crime, aggression, mostly every negative statistic where black people are overrepresented. 4: People are likely to behave in accordance with how they are expected to behave. And then I am saying that "profiling" happens through every layer of society, and that this influences behavior. Genes have nothing to do with my argument.

Then there's the comment on how minority groups are advantaged through grants etc. I'll accept one thing here; for white women, it seems that there is no need for further affirmative action regarding education. They've already surpassed white men, at least in countries where some quota programs have existed. But for other groups, grants, minority scholarships etc, they are supposed to counterbalance some of these differences in opportunity that stem from historical discrimination. Like, current positive discrimination to negate the still-felt effects from negative discrimination throughout most of history.. I understand that for an averagely or less than averagely capable white man with no real connections or network, it might seem harsh, and for an exceptionally gifted black man it might seem insulting, because his accomplishments get tainted by the idea that he was only able to accomplish this through positive discrimination, (like how women who quickly rise through company ranks will often have an implied blowjob queen-title) but I overall think affirmative action has done more good than bad, and that some is still needed. But I can absolutely accept arguments against affirmative action, I think there are many good ones. However the idea that through buying into white privilege, you are racist because you think whites are genetically superior to blacks, that is just plain idiocy.

>differences between races
>not because of genetics

Holiest of fucks. That's like saying the only reason why turtles are different on different Galapagos islands are because of their society.

Did you know there were white slaves in America? This shouldn't be hard to understand, just like it shouldn't be hard to understand that the very first slave owner in america was black. The thing is, is that during slavery, white people couldn't actually get jobs because of the slaves. Cheaper labor made it almost impossible for white america back then to actually exist. Then again, no one ever stops to think about that.

Poverty and lack of education don't create crime, because otherwise, we would've gone extinct before such ideas even arose. You also forget that there are more white people in america that are poor and lack education than there are black people. Just like a bulldog is expected to be aggressive, and a shibe is expected to be smart, it has to deal with GENETICS. Bulldogs have a lot more energy and different brain compositions than shibe's, who are more like a cat than a dog.

There shouldn't be a quota based on race. That's literally saying "because of the color of your skin, you get/don't get the job" Affirmative action has done wonders for white women, and has created a culture of entitlement in the black community. If you want things to reflect the demographics, you'd have to keep blacks at only 13% of any school population. It's like saying there should be so many doctors, which either forces people to become doctors or forces people to quit being a doctor through govt force.

Fuck off with your marxism.

You're trying to equate people with turtles to make a grand nature vs nurture argument?

But anyway, while the logic you presented earlier was dubious at best, you just now shattered it completely.
Things you have stated: 1: By believing in white privilege you are racist. You don't believe in it, by which I take it, you consider yourself non-racist. 2: There are differences in behavior between black people and white people. You alluded to some rape statistics to make your point here. 3: Differences between groups of people are explained by differences in genetical makeup, not society. By your logic, you must be racist because you believe there are differences between ethnicities and because you believe these are only explainable through genes.

I however, explain the differences through other means, and genetics are no necessary component of my analysis of difference between ethnic groups. How is that racist?

It's like, you could actually make a logically consistent and sound argument for racism. It's possible. I don't want to go down that road or even entertain the idea because the acceptance of there being genetical differences between people of different ethnicities has been the breeding ground for some of the worst atrocities ever committed by mankind. But you're not doing that anyway, you're trying to claim that not believing in genetics (and white privilege has nothing to do with genetics) as an explanation for ethnic differences is racist.

what you're saying is that people are only different because of their societies, not because of their immediate surroundings. that's like saying every good home produces only good kids. there are plenty of fucked up upbringings that actually produce good people, and plenty of good upbringings that produce fucked up people. even when black people are expected to succeed, they fail. we've given them everything, from easier access to college to literally not even needing to work, yet they still commit half of our crime. can you really sit there and say it's societies fault when society gave them a gold fucking platter?

yes there are differences in behavior, just like there are differences in behaviors for the asiatic and african lion, which happen to be genetically closer to each other than you or I am compared to someone from the congo. even the irish act differently than the british, such as the south koreans do from the north koreans.

To claim someone is a racist for thinking there are actual differences between races is fucking stupid. There are quite literally fields of science that catalog the differences between species. There are things like sickle cell which is something that black people are able to get, yet white people aren't. lactose digestion is most common in northern/western euro countries, but am I a racist for pointing that out?

you are okay with saying there are different breeds of dogs, but not humans? I mean, you can CLEARLY see how a german shephard is different from a chihauhua, and it's not their dog society that causes it. it's quite literally their genetics, from how their fur looks and feels, to how tall/long they are, to their digestive abilities, to their temperament/intelligence, to life expectancy, etc.. clearly, by your own logic, you're a breedist, or a dogist.. you probably think there's a difference between red and blue jays. I mean, after all, birds of a feather flock together. genetics in blue jays tell them to mate with blue jays, ditto with red. they don't go try to find a crow or a pigeon.

the definition of racism has been changed to simply mean that if a person believes there is a difference between a white person and a black person, which is ironic considering that a non-racist is labeling black and white people as different people, then they are a bigot. i don't think that all black people, or that all japanese people, or that all south american people act in a certain way, but I do believe that certain people do act, in general, certain ways. while they may act different, they are also acting the same in some aspects. this arises in differences in cultures. just like a tribe of monkeys in one spot of a forest act different to greet each other, they still greet each other, even though it's different from how the other tribe greets each other. certain tribes are more violent and that's part of their culture. (this was actually published in a study earlier this year about a certain breed of monkey using violence as cultural means)

>thinking that differences in skin color isn't due to genetics, but rather society
>not knowing that the sun will alter a species skin pigmentation/fur
>the further you are up from the equator, the lighter/furrier you are
>the closer you are to the equator, the darker/balder you are
>there are also different gravities around the world, which result in different skull sizes, much like how certain diets also the body
>people from a higher gravity tend to be smaller
>people from a lower gravity tend to be taller
>thinking there wouldn't eventually be differences between human populations if we colonized mars

I give example of white privilege. My father is a professional conman. Swindles millions. Been caught twice, last stint was 10 years. Hes obviously white because black people only rob liquor and convenient stores when they steal. Anyway, my one friend who is black, stole some shit because hes poor as fuck, shot in the heart, dead. My father is swindling 100,000s, millions, right the fuck now, and he ain't getting shot over it.. That's white privilege. If black men get shot for stealing sub 100$ shit, what you think happens to a black person who swindles millions? Its easier to be a big time conman when you are white instead of black. If my dad was black, never would of he had the opportunity to fuck people over so hard.

This thread is all over the place, i dont even know where to start. i sometimes think gnarly is on drugs because of how aggressive/incoherent he is in his posts. I watched the video yesterday and just shrugged it off yesterday, because like it or not, women are depicted as sex objects in this world. This is fact and i dont care what feminists say to try or change it. It will always be this way until the world blows up but thats a story for another time.

This doesnt mean women that all woman HAVE to be sex objects but why try and eliminate the other? When I don't go out with my girl or she is out with her friends i expect her to get the occasional 'cat call' and expect her to handle it properly if im not there. If they act on it its a different story. why censor it.

You have too many people in this world that complain that the world isn't fair and its not fair the world isnt fair kind of crap. That is the way god made it so thats how it is.

Now just cut and paste these ideas over to race and its the same thing with a new name. Racism is when my friend hates white people because they have it better than us and hate black people because they stole his ps3. He feels more comfortable with his own race, just as most people do in this world. Racism exists and is part of this world. It's good we've found ways to live around it in the world by behaving a certain way and not saying certain things out loud in public but its still there. Who knows, maybe in the future roles will reverse and things will happen and we have flying cars. But even in the futuristic movies, there are different races that will fill different slots.

just watch the first couple of minutes

On October 30 2014 14:00 MyAnacondaDont wrote: I give example of white privilege. My father is a professional conman. Swindles millions. Been caught twice, last stint was 10 years. Hes obviously white because black people only rob liquor and convenient stores when they steal. Anyway, my one friend who is black, stole some shit because hes poor as fuck, shot in the heart, dead. My father is swindling 100,000s, millions, right the fuck now, and he ain't getting shot over it.. That's white privilege. If black men get shot for stealing sub 100$ shit, what you think happens to a black person who swindles millions? Its easier to be a big time conman when you are white instead of black. If my dad was black, never would of he had the opportunity to fuck people over so hard.

I knew a guy who would shoplift from stores and get away with it by walking through the detector at the exit at the same time a random black guy did, the security would ALWAYS stop the black guy when the alarms went off while this guy would just walk away.

that is actually hilarious

On October 30 2014 14:00 MyAnacondaDont wrote: I give example of white privilege. My father is a professional conman. Swindles millions. Been caught twice, last stint was 10 years. Hes obviously white because black people only rob liquor and convenient stores when they steal. Anyway, my one friend who is black, stole some shit because hes poor as fuck, shot in the heart, dead. My father is swindling 100,000s, millions, right the fuck now, and he ain't getting shot over it.. That's white privilege. If black men get shot for stealing sub 100$ shit, what you think happens to a black person who swindles millions? Its easier to be a big time conman when you are white instead of black. If my dad was black, never would of he had the opportunity to fuck people over so hard.

That is about class privilege, a guy robbing a store at goin point is more likely to get shot than a non-violent sofisticated swindler regardless of their race. Im not saying theres no white privilege but this is an example of it.


Anyway stop discussing with Gnarly he is a huge clueless moron

On October 30 2014 21:02 Baalim wrote: Anyway stop discussing with Gnarly he is a huge clueless moron

Stop feeding him then.

And btw, Drone, I'd love to have a couple beer with you and talk shit. You seem like a pretty solid fellow. I think I could learn a fair amount from you.

ps. Fuck Amaya.

I dont think there is white privilege. Look at USA, they have black president for christs sake. Wheres the white privilege in that?

On October 30 2014 23:30 Srsbob wrote: I dont think there is white privilege. Look at USA, they have black president for christs sake. Wheres the white privilege in that?

pls ban this fuckers ip. Or his county. Or something.

Seriously, Give Baal a mod-stick already.

edit - or fuck, UPDATE the site to deal with this kinda crap, HEY???

yeah, im a moron for thinking that black people and white people are inherently different down to a genetic level. go tell that to the science fields which catalog the differences.

>a person is white skinned
>a person is black skinned
>but there is no difference between them

Give me more scenarios of white privilege without using stop and frisk. We've already discusses how black people over-represent themselves in crime, therefor, stopping and frisking should reflect actual factual data. (something the FBI has been hesitant in talking about)

What about the white privilege where a black person can pursue an african studies degree and get his degree, even though it's complete bullshit because the person who runs the departments is making sure that a lot of black people get their degrees regardless if they actually passed or not. (yes, this was in the news this very month, if you want to do your research.) it seems that it's inherent in even black people to expect black people to fail. Just like Eric Holder telling public schools not to punish black children as much as the other kids are. I guess even he expects black people to have no respect for authority? Is he a racist?

I've thought of a thing called: Mobile Minority, where minority status is fluid. If you're part of the national demographic, you're still in the national majority, but if you're in a city where you are the minority, municipally, you're a minority.

On October 30 2014 23:36 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On October 30 2014 23:30 Srsbob wrote: I dont think there is white privilege. Look at USA, they have black president for christs sake. Wheres the white privilege in that? pls ban this fuckers ip. Or his county. Or something. Seriously, Give Baal a mod-stick already. edit - or fuck, UPDATE the site to deal with this kinda crap, HEY???

you mean give him the mod-stick back, he lost it for mocking the looks of raszi's gf :D

white privilege permeates western culture. white man walking down the street is welcomed as a normal person, a black man is not. systemic racism is everywhere.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelblackm...wing-examples-of-white-privilege-9hu9

http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html

seriously just google shit that happens to black or POC every day.

jose zamora changes name to joe zamora on resume and receives influx of job offers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09...joe-job-discrimination_n_5753880.html


not to mention that poverty begets more poverty. someone born into a low income household with uneducated parents in an area with bad school systems has a very low chance of success in life. crime is not a race issue, as drone said its a poverty and education issue, and until our country improves education everywhere, not just at the grade school levels, but also makes college more accessible to all, people born into bad luck are not going to have an easy time prospering.

white privilege is everywhere. not believing it exists is like not believing in climate change.

Target group of silly-ass videos like these: Gnarlies all around the world. No surprise he falls for those traps every fucking time and takes a massive diarrhea dump on liquidpoker yet again. Gnarly is so stupid it is becoming criminal. If it were up to me i'd ban him without second thought. Eventually, beyond the horizon, there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. With Gnarly it is the opposite, he fucking resides there and ever so often takes a leap out of the mental hospital capacities and thus crosses the line the other way. He also displays 0% chance of any improvement.

Reading Balthazars art of wordly wisdom and i'd like to contribute this thought.
"Many never lose their common sense, because they have none to lose."

>crime is because of poverty
>yet white people literally outnumber black people in america in poverty
>yet black people commit the most crime of all groups

I mean, please explain that to me.

Alright, Daut:

1. Because of white privilege, you’ll never have to worry about becoming the victim of law enforcement officers.

I have been the victim of police many, many times. I am white. I've been punched in the face for no reason at all at a cop so pissed off that he couldn't get me with an actual crime because I wasn't ever committing a crime. (unless you count driving at night a crime)

2. Thankfully, you’ll never have to know what it feels like to see your teenage son’s death being mocked.

Is this to say that white's can't be mocked in death? Because I can bring up cases where people were mocking the death of their victim's to their parents. Shit, there's a guy doing just that right now in Russia. (white on white death mocking, such a myth)

3. Because of white privilege, you’ll never have to inform your children of the harsh realities of systemic racism.

Actually, my children will have to learn that because they are white, they will be less likely admitted into college for the same grades as a black student. They will also have to learn that diversity of the workforce is mandatory and that the less white people there happen to be, the more diverse of a company it is. (you remember the company that literally only had four white guys working in it out of numerous women, but everyone threw a shitfest?) They will also have to learn that they are not allowed to be proud of their heritage, which a lot of people in this world take homage in, even if you don't. People like to feel connected to their roots and it gives them a sense of identity, but my children will learn that their "roots" are actually "chains from a slave master." Even though less than 1% of the white population even owned slaves, and that slavery put the working class out of jobs. Nor will things like the Irish Potato Famine, the Arab Slave Trade, or even the Barbary pirates, be learned in history. Instead, they will only learn of "poc" struggles, which again implies that there's a difference between human breeds. (which I know drone is having a severe hissy fit about that idea)

4. White privilege means you can be articulate and well spoken without people being “surprised.”

Everyone is surprised when someone is actually well spoken. Most white people aren't well spoken. Totes McGotes, bro.

5. Because of white privilege, you’ll never know what it’s like to have the following statistic looming over your head.

This is about being sent to prison, but then again, they also are over represented in crimes committed by a factor of almost 4. Should we stop sending black people who commit crime to jail in order to reach the point where they are found guilty in proportion to their population size? I mean, that's quite exactly what Eric Holder wants public schools to do: to stop punishing black students when they break the rules. Isn't that a privilege, to be expected to break the rules, and then not get in trouble when you do break the rules?

6. You can wear and act however you’d like without being labeled a thug, low life, gangster, etc.

Again, dismissing reality. White people can actually be labeled things. White people label each other rednecks, trailer trash, wiggers, etc. all the time.

7. White privilege allows you to speak on any particular subject without being the sole representative for your entire race.

Yeah, when a white person commits a mass murder, that person ACTED for the entire race. I can find you numerous articles stating just that.

8. White privilege means no one questions why you got that really great job; it’s assumed you were just highly qualified.

Have you seen that video where it shows a white person and a black person racing, but the white person is an auto track or something? And then the words "ol' boy network" pop up? If not, I will find you that video.

9. White privilege means not having to worry about your hair, skin color, or cultural accessories as the reason you didn’t get a job.

I have personally been laughed at for applying for a kitchen job because everyone expects only wetbacks to work there. Because of that, I can't actually do any kitchen work. Out of all the restaurants I've worked at, the entire kitchen has always been family. Some of their families are quite big, meaning that one family will have networks at a lot of restaurants. I was always seeing a new relative of the kitchen staff coming in every month. Yet, when I want to try to get my friend a job, it's not gonna happen because the boss doesn't want anyone to think that I got my friend hired just because he's my friend. There are places that I've worked at that literally had betting pools of when certain white people were going to quit. I shit you not. I made a lot of people lose money by deliberately not quitting.

10. White privilege means you don’t have to worry about being monitored in a store just because the hue of your skin is a bit darker than most.

I've been monitored in many stores.

11. Having white privilege means people will never label you a terrorist.

Re:number 7

12. White privilege means not being affected by negative stereotypes that have been perpetuated and ingrained so much into American society that people believe them to be fact.

Like how all white people are rich?

13. White privilege means you never have to explain why cultural appropriation is a bad thing.

Read up on the vikings. They "appropriated" a lot of different cultures, which resulted in the loss of their own.

14. White privilege means not having to worry about being stopped and frisked.

I've been stopped and frisked before.

15. If you benefit from white privilege, you’ll never be told to “get over slavery.”

Re:number 3

16. White privilege means that you’re never just your own person.

When someone white tries to act like samuel jackson, they are always told to stop. Only black people can pull off samuel jackson.

17. Benefitting from white privilege means you can walk the Earth unaware of your color.

BUT YOU WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS OPPRESSING PEOPLE OF COLOR

Wouldn't it be nice to be thought of as having color? After all, white is the combination of all colors, while black is the complete absence of color. If I have to be told that I have white privilege for being white, doesn't that immediately make me aware of my race?

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

This is untrue. In fact, when white people try to organize any sort of "white" event, it is forced to be shut down. It is thought to be violent against people of color.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

I don't get this. Is it saying that white people are segregated? Or is it saying that white's don't have to spend time with black, but blacks must spend time with whites? How the fuck would that even make sense?

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.[/quote Section 8 housing. [quote]4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

The very first day my neighbors moved in, they fucked up our sewage in purpose to make their sewage even better. They consistently blast tejano music all day. Their dogs are always out and about with no leashes on, and trust me, having a husky you don't know charging at you as you walk out your front door isn't fun. There's also across the street with the guy who literally blasted rap at a specific time every single day so loud you could literally hear it for a mile away.

Also, section 8 housing.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

I've already gone over this.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

Even though white people make up about 65% of america's pop. and black's 13%, should blacks start being cast more? I mean, should we start having a 20% quota for black casting members? Is it wrong that white people make up the majority of casting members in a nation where white people are the majority?

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

Well, yeah. White people accounted for more than 80% of the pop just a couple of decades ago.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

Uhmm... What?

You know what, I gotta go to bed.

>going to buzzfeed

>believing in climate change

Well, yeah, the climate always changes. The Earth doesn't just sit still, ya dingus. Have you never heard of this thing called :ice age: or :season

I dont believe that a cop punched you in the face for not committing a crime!

so much feeding the trollthread =D

Maybe the cop posts here on LP and sees your trollbait replies lol

I feel like a 2nd class citizen when I walk on to a basketball court with a bunch of black people

On October 31 2014 06:52 bigredhoss wrote: so much feeding the trollthread =D

>completely destroy arguments left and right
>"hurr durr feed der trollbread!!!"

Is that all you got? Heck, this isn't even my final form.

On October 30 2014 10:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: 1: being proud of your heritage is silly regardless of where you hail from, you had no involvement in the matter. Minorities however have been encouraged to be proud of their heritage to counterbalance the shame they used to feel about it. You can argue that it's silly in the same way, but it's basically an empowerment strategy. 2: How on earth are whites being a global minority in any way relevant to white privilege in Europe or USA? 3: If you think privilege equates to getting a good paying job at a fortune 500 for just being white, you're just an idiot. Privilege in this regard means stuff like : not having a 10x likelihood of being stopped or harassed by police regardless of whether crime has been committed. (This, on average, builds distrust, which equates to being less likely to function in accordance with society's expectations. That is not necessarily a bad thing, especially not for individuals, but when comparing stuff like wealth or health of a demographic, it is. ) Privilege even means that you are expected to do well - which on average translates to doing well. A black guy in school might be expected to do his literary analysis on 2pac, white guy on Shakespeare. One of those builds a more valuable skill-set for the future than the other. Then there's the whole networking aspect, which is just enormous.. here's what my guess on what this all stems from. You come from a white, but lower class background. This essentially means that many of the privileges that exist for most white people don't exist for you. Perhaps you even dress and or talk trashy - which can make you become discriminated against in much the same way ethnic minorities are. (regardless of how they dress or talk) So it almost ends up feeling the opposite way for you, you become upset because you've never felt any of this white privilege you hear about. You don't have the network that many white people do. You're almost like a black guy with a tiny penis - much worse than being a white guy with a tiny penis - because you fail to live up to the expectations people and society have towards you.

Liquid Drone showed some real class here. I do not understand how he can be a respected contributor to this site, feeling that he is morally and intellectually superior to Gnarly and then insulting him in this way and making assumptions that have no basis besides Drone's pathetic attempts to mimic Freud.

Man... who on this site is a respected contributor besides daut? Nazgul... oh, remember when.. oh what's his name, the broker dude who ended up being a scumbag.. thorladen?

Yeah, we have two.

fucking no one. We're all clowns.

Gnarlys arguments are all over the place. The guy has intelligence, that's for sure. I'm more interested in his stock picks (and how they'll run in the next couple years) as opposed to this garbage. And it's total garbage. It's kind of weird seeing him post meaningful/sensical shit then watching him post idiocy like this. I have a theory that it's a shared account w/ that other tit (srsbob, wtfever he'll be next week).

Jump on drone all you want, he fucking destroyed that debate. Regardless of your freudian criticism.

buy dollar short gold has been my pick for a couple of years now (though gold has moved considerably since)
going long anywhere in the water transport especially if they deal with exporting american energy unless they already went up like egle
im waiting for radioshack to go back down to .5 and try to get in
certain marijuana stocks ive been watching out for, but target prices weren't hit to get in
oil shouldn't be dropping too much now cause america and canada still need to profit
continue shorting the yen
i tried getting into cotton a couple weeks ago but it shot up too quickly before I could get the price I wanted
im interested in looking into cattle futures, cause some of the futures seem ripe for shorting
should've shorted the ruble long ago
watch for mexico's economy to improve, along with central america
though brazil is still probably going to be shit

>destroyed a debate
>by saying poverty creates crime
>but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america

On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america

If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man.

This is why LP thinks you're a moron.

I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act.

BAAL

On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL

Give an explanation. I dare ya.

On October 31 2014 14:45 NewbSaibot wrote:

lolol

On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya.

He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it?

btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)

this thread is fucking hilarious.

on the flip side my best friend in middle school was a black female and i fell in love with her but she said i was too scrawny and white. she only dated black men.

On October 31 2014 16:28 Poirier255 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya. He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it? btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)

Hey,
I really liked how McGregor kicked ur ass, although i was cheering for u


lol @ people thinking white privilige has anything to do with race at this point
is this the 1850s or something ? :D
so fuckin brainwashed

Actually dunno, but there s definitely no white privilege in most of Europe, there is however class privilege and that is something standard at this point in society ( not that its morally right imo)

also how does one get to this subject when u start off from a stupidass feminist video

strongly doubt he meant blue and white collar. Yes, construction workers and cabbies are blue collar, but I didn't realise drunken dumbasses were also blue collar. Blue collar doesn't = lower class of society

I just saw this, well yeah being drunk doesn't automatically make you blue collar, it does turn off social obligations and barriers for many people though, is that really something I'm supposed to explain ?
Like how people in the low class are less educated therefore do dumb shit, and how alcohol has a numb effect which causes the same stuff?
Obviously I don't mean to offend construction workers or cabbies and etc. etc. There are many smart and good people working those stuff, its much more likely that someone with that profession however will do the stuff in the video rather than a lawyer or a doctor. Is that really something hard to understand? Or are we with politically correct bullshit here as well ? I'm sorry i can't do that

And obviously if you are well educated you will most likely prefer the job that pays higher and doesn't involved hard physical labor or is that something incorrect too ?

On October 31 2014 17:08 Spitfiree wrote: Hey, I really liked how McGregor kicked ur ass, although i was cheering for u

Had me thinking there for a moment... Had to Google search my way out. Scary, the kid almost looks like me too!

The best time to be alive is when whitey took over.

On October 31 2014 16:28 Poirier255 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya. He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it? btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player)

Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty.

>25% of their pop is in poverty
>yet black people make up only 13% of us's population
>so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty
>yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america

rural poverty =/= inner city poverty

i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob

it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse

that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry

On November 01 2014 04:48 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 16:28 Poirier255 wrote:   On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya. He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it? btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player) Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty. >25% of their pop is in poverty >yet black people make up only 13% of us's population >so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty >yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america

Considering they only commit more crime in total by about 1%, it doesnt even matter if what i said made sense to you or not, you just flat out have a problem with other races, and it's quite plainly obvious. I won't waste anymore time with replies so save as much face as you can when you do kid!

On October 31 2014 17:49 Poirier255 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 17:08 Spitfiree wrote: Hey, I really liked how McGregor kicked ur ass, although i was cheering for u Had me thinking there for a moment... Had to Google search my way out. Scary, the kid almost looks like me too!

You're already here, might as well start watching the UFC :D

On November 01 2014 05:54 Santafairy wrote: i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry

bolded the key part. disproportionate advantages due to race. obviously any list--particularly a buzzfeed list--talking about white privilege in the US will have counter examples (as well as ridiculous overblown nonsense), but some counter examples dont tip the scales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

this is a better list of systemic, institutionalized racism in the US.


its really hard to get out of the uneducated/poverty cycle.

let me provide a poker example which should hit closer to home for most of you guys who are low stakes grinders:
imagine you are a .5/1 NL player with no other source of income. you have 2k in expenses a month and on average make 3k/month at .5/1. if you were to move up to 1/2 you would make 5k/month, and if you were to move down to .25/.5 you would make 1800/month. in order to play .5/1 you must have at least 5k online and you cant move up to 1/2 safely without 10k online.

today is november 1st, you paid off your november bills and have 2k in your bank account and 7k in your poker account. you hope that you can make 5k this month so you can cash out 2k, keeping yourself safe for december and giving yourself a chance to move up to 1/2 to have higher earnings. unfortunately you go on a downswing in november and lose 2k.

now its december 1, your bank account is empty, you have 5k online and a choice to make. do you cash out 2k and gamble with a roll unfit for playing .5/1? do you play .5/1 and skimp on expenses for a few days to try to make something happen early in the month? do you cash out 2k and move down in stakes? say you decide to be responsible and cash out 2k and move down in stakes. now you have 3k online, 2k in your bank account and can only play .25/.5. you now expect to make less each month than your expenses and unless something changes you will go broke in about a year.


getting out of a poverty rut is REALLY hard. a child is born into a family in a low income, high crime area, with parents who did not finish high school and barely have enough money to put food on the table and live month to month on expenses, but his parents really want him to have a better life. so many things have to go right from that point on. his parents need to grind for the first 18 years of his life just to get him through high school, he needs to either do really well in school or be a ridiculous athlete to get a scholarship to college: if he just gets in and opts for student loans he will be in debt and likely broke til hes well past 30. all the while surrounded by crime, poor school systems, and friends who dont have parents that push for success as hard as his do. its a really hard road out of the bottom. and supposing he makes it all the way to college graduate, he still needs to find a job that pays more than his expenses and gives him room for growth. and if he gets there with student loans that his parents cant pay off....he may find himself in the same cycle they were in. this kind of rut can take generations of grind to get out of.



things have improved dramatically for blacks in the last 50 years. and today racism is a fragment of what it was. 100+ years of race suppression makes it very hard for future generations to succeed. and racism DOES still exist. whites still do have societal advantages over blacks and hispanics. they arent what they once were, but providing counter examples where a white person was fucked over in some way doesnt disprove the class and race privilege.

On November 01 2014 05:30 SugoGosu wrote: rural poverty =/= inner city poverty

yeah, rural poverty is MUCH worse than inner city poverty. when you don't get ANY government help AND you're in poverty is when it's really bad. the poorest people in america are the white folk in some small towns near the east coast and the Appalachian mountains? please educate yourself.

On November 01 2014 05:58 Poirier255 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 04:48 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 16:28 Poirier255 wrote:   On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya. He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it? btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player) Explain why white people don't commit more crimes than black when whites make up, in total numbers, the majority of poverty. >25% of their pop is in poverty >yet black people make up only 13% of us's population >so that's roughly 3% of blacks that are in poverty >yet those 3% account for almost half of the crimes committed in total in america Considering they only commit more crime in total by about 1%, it doesnt even matter if what i said made sense to you or not, you just flat out have a problem with other races, and it's quite plainly obvious. I won't waste anymore time with replies so save as much face as you can when you do kid!

what? like, what are you saying? who is "they" and whom are they committing more crime than?

>have a problem with other races
>would rather have haplotypes become more known so people actually know what the fuck they are
>would rather people have their own cultural identities instead of being forced to merge their cultures with other cultures

yes there are inequalities about demographics. although some of them are largely historical, for instance employment by gender. men dominate some fields women dominate others but basically we've reached equality of opportunity which i believe is all that really matters

it doesn't make sense to me to frame any of these problems as "white privilege" because i think it tacitly assumes race is the fundamental issue and stops any intelligent discussion about how we can improve our society right now. i have never seen any literature from people who use the term "white privilege" (without a sense of irony) that has any thought provoking ideas about what to do next. because you're right poverty and crime and feedback cycles are at work here but these children on twitter have nothing better to do than bitch at like movies and video games, and this rhetoric is very divisive and does more to inhibit a rational discussion and people actually learning about each other and figuring shit out

i mean when i was a kid i played ymca basketball i don't go on tumblr now whining about black privilege that i couldn't get into the NBA or something? in any other context this is clearly not a way to approach something

On November 01 2014 12:54 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 05:54 Santafairy wrote: i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry bolded the key part. disproportionate advantages due to race. obviously any list--particularly a buzzfeed list--talking about white privilege in the US will have counter examples (as well as ridiculous overblown nonsense), but some counter examples dont tip the scales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism this is a better list of systemic, institutionalized racism in the US. its really hard to get out of the uneducated/poverty cycle. let me provide a poker example which should hit closer to home for most of you guys who are low stakes grinders: imagine you are a .5/1 NL player with no other source of income. you have 2k in expenses a month and on average make 3k/month at .5/1. if you were to move up to 1/2 you would make 5k/month, and if you were to move down to .25/.5 you would make 1800/month. in order to play .5/1 you must have at least 5k online and you cant move up to 1/2 safely without 10k online. today is november 1st, you paid off your november bills and have 2k in your bank account and 7k in your poker account. you hope that you can make 5k this month so you can cash out 2k, keeping yourself safe for december and giving yourself a chance to move up to 1/2 to have higher earnings. unfortunately you go on a downswing in november and lose 2k. now its december 1, your bank account is empty, you have 5k online and a choice to make. do you cash out 2k and gamble with a roll unfit for playing .5/1? do you play .5/1 and skimp on expenses for a few days to try to make something happen early in the month? do you cash out 2k and move down in stakes? say you decide to be responsible and cash out 2k and move down in stakes. now you have 3k online, 2k in your bank account and can only play .25/.5. you now expect to make less each month than your expenses and unless something changes you will go broke in about a year. getting out of a poverty rut is REALLY hard. a child is born into a family in a low income, high crime area, with parents who did not finish high school and barely have enough money to put food on the table and live month to month on expenses, but his parents really want him to have a better life. so many things have to go right from that point on. his parents need to grind for the first 18 years of his life just to get him through high school, he needs to either do really well in school or be a ridiculous athlete to get a scholarship to college: if he just gets in and opts for student loans he will be in debt and likely broke til hes well past 30. all the while surrounded by crime, poor school systems, and friends who dont have parents that push for success as hard as his do. its a really hard road out of the bottom. and supposing he makes it all the way to college graduate, he still needs to find a job that pays more than his expenses and gives him room for growth. and if he gets there with student loans that his parents cant pay off....he may find himself in the same cycle they were in. this kind of rut can take generations of grind to get out of. things have improved dramatically for blacks in the last 50 years. and today racism is a fragment of what it was. 100+ years of race suppression makes it very hard for future generations to succeed. and racism DOES still exist. whites still do have societal advantages over blacks and hispanics. they arent what they once were, but providing counter examples where a white person was fucked over in some way doesnt disprove the class and race privilege.

Daut, this is an extremely bad example. for someone who is broke already and doesn't have a job on the side, it's going to be very fucking hard to get out of poverty. (much to say playing poker on scared money)

>his parents need to grind, even though govt checks are always coming in
>needs to do really well in school or athletic programs to get a scholarship, not just simply being hispanic or black or a female and simply applying for one
>taking out student loans (re: govt programs)

Bear in mind, if he takes out student loans and doesn't already have a known way how he will pay that back, that's fucking retarded. If you take out a loan, you better know how you are going to pay it back, when you're going to pay it back, and how much it's going to cost you to take out that loan.

Even then, there are plenty of stories of first generation immigrants coming over here with literally nothing in making themselves into something. What about the Jews who came over from Germany with nothing? You know jews only make up 2% of america's population yet account for way more than half of the 1%? How did they get themselves out of poverty so fast when their families were being gassed?

Again, let me reiterate this: there are more white people who are more poor than any other group in america. Imagine detroit, but you DON'T have a city government, which means you don't have things like a police department or health care or water services, meaning you have to get your own water from a well that's poisoned by lead, and you don't have any markets to go to so you have to hunt for your food, and you don't have electricity, so you have to make your own warmth or freeze to death.

On October 31 2014 17:08 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 16:28 Poirier255 wrote:   On October 31 2014 15:04 Gnarly wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:39 devon06atX wrote:   On October 31 2014 14:32 Gnarly wrote: >but can't explain why even though white people outnumber black people in america in whole numbers for poverty, black people still commit more crime than any other group in america If you can't comprehend this... then I dunno what to tell you man. This is why LP thinks you're a moron. I still think your whole account is a semi-troll act. BAAL Give an explanation. I dare ya. He won't because it's a contradicting argument. Of course black people commit more crime than any other group in America, because more than a fucking quarter of their population is living in poverty, which is exactly what he's saying, lack of education and poverty -> more crime -> lack of education and more poverty -> more crime, I think you get it? btw, hello LP, I just had to make an account for this, it's too good lol (long-time ROFL thread viewer -.-; and poker player) Hey, I really liked how McGregor kicked ur ass, although i was cheering for u lol @ people thinking white privilige has anything to do with race at this point is this the 1850s or something ? :D so fuckin brainwashed Actually dunno, but there s definitely no white privilege in most of Europe, there is however class privilege and that is something standard at this point in society ( not that its morally right imo) also how does one get to this subject when u start off from a stupidass feminist video   strongly doubt he meant blue and white collar. Yes, construction workers and cabbies are blue collar, but I didn't realise drunken dumbasses were also blue collar. Blue collar doesn't = lower class of society I just saw this, well yeah being drunk doesn't automatically make you blue collar, it does turn off social obligations and barriers for many people though, is that really something I'm supposed to explain ? Like how people in the low class are less educated therefore do dumb shit, and how alcohol has a numb effect which causes the same stuff? Obviously I don't mean to offend construction workers or cabbies and etc. etc. There are many smart and good people working those stuff, its much more likely that someone with that profession however will do the stuff in the video rather than a lawyer or a doctor. Is that really something hard to understand? Or are we with politically correct bullshit here as well ? I'm sorry i can't do that And obviously if you are well educated you will most likely prefer the job that pays higher and doesn't involved hard physical labor or is that something incorrect too ?

Nice post. And yeah, I was being a little political emo bitch....

I graduated on the deans list, and the only jobs I can get around Hali are ~12/hr. Garbage. Going out west to work on the oil rigs until the military fits me in.

Yeah... Sorry. I was being a homo.

edit - getting out of this hole I dug myself into is SUPER hard. I totally understand the cyclical povery/crime/drugs/wtfever epidemic that black people are dealing with in the states. It's a rough go.

On November 01 2014 13:28 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 12:54 Daut wrote:   On November 01 2014 05:54 Santafairy wrote: i am not a fan of the term "poc" because i have no political agenda, and i notice that actually everybody has a color, including white people (well white is no less a color than black), and that people are all different and black people and hispanic people and the various asian peoples don't have the same political goals or interests and don't actually want to be automatically dragged into the same groupthink mob it's a category error to transfer the "privilege" of one group of people onto individuals in that group. yes it's true in "society" (by which people mean the US i guess, in this whole thing people always forget the world is bigger than the US so you get this narrow and naive "white privilege" point of view when actually the forces at work in our world are more complicated than what you can explain in 140 characters of twitter whining) - yes it's true the US criminal justice system disproportionately fucks black people (although it notoriously fucks people of any demographic). that doesn't mean some individual white person never experiences or never has to fear police abuse that's why these lists of bullet points that's supposed to fill people with guilt doesn't make sense. i mean that buzzfeed "article" so obviously crazy and wrong, what kind of sociological insight do you really expect from a guy who explains his profound criticisms of society with memes and one liners. in fact why am i even thinking about seriously responding to something that's so poorly thought out. these are just bitter, probably racist, people and i wouldn't mind their sophistry bolded the key part. disproportionate advantages due to race. obviously any list--particularly a buzzfeed list--talking about white privilege in the US will have counter examples (as well as ridiculous overblown nonsense), but some counter examples dont tip the scales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism this is a better list of systemic, institutionalized racism in the US. its really hard to get out of the uneducated/poverty cycle. let me provide a poker example which should hit closer to home for most of you guys who are low stakes grinders: imagine you are a .5/1 NL player with no other source of income. you have 2k in expenses a month and on average make 3k/month at .5/1. if you were to move up to 1/2 you would make 5k/month, and if you were to move down to .25/.5 you would make 1800/month. in order to play .5/1 you must have at least 5k online and you cant move up to 1/2 safely without 10k online. today is november 1st, you paid off your november bills and have 2k in your bank account and 7k in your poker account. you hope that you can make 5k this month so you can cash out 2k, keeping yourself safe for december and giving yourself a chance to move up to 1/2 to have higher earnings. unfortunately you go on a downswing in november and lose 2k. now its december 1, your bank account is empty, you have 5k online and a choice to make. do you cash out 2k and gamble with a roll unfit for playing .5/1? do you play .5/1 and skimp on expenses for a few days to try to make something happen early in the month? do you cash out 2k and move down in stakes? say you decide to be responsible and cash out 2k and move down in stakes. now you have 3k online, 2k in your bank account and can only play .25/.5. you now expect to make less each month than your expenses and unless something changes you will go broke in about a year. getting out of a poverty rut is REALLY hard. a child is born into a family in a low income, high crime area, with parents who did not finish high school and barely have enough money to put food on the table and live month to month on expenses, but his parents really want him to have a better life. so many things have to go right from that point on. his parents need to grind for the first 18 years of his life just to get him through high school, he needs to either do really well in school or be a ridiculous athlete to get a scholarship to college: if he just gets in and opts for student loans he will be in debt and likely broke til hes well past 30. all the while surrounded by crime, poor school systems, and friends who dont have parents that push for success as hard as his do. its a really hard road out of the bottom. and supposing he makes it all the way to college graduate, he still needs to find a job that pays more than his expenses and gives him room for growth. and if he gets there with student loans that his parents cant pay off....he may find himself in the same cycle they were in. this kind of rut can take generations of grind to get out of. things have improved dramatically for blacks in the last 50 years. and today racism is a fragment of what it was. 100+ years of race suppression makes it very hard for future generations to succeed. and racism DOES still exist. whites still do have societal advantages over blacks and hispanics. they arent what they once were, but providing counter examples where a white person was fucked over in some way doesnt disprove the class and race privilege. Daut, this is an extremely bad example. for someone who is broke already and doesn't have a job on the side, it's going to be very fucking hard to get out of poverty. (much to say playing poker on scared money) >his parents need to grind, even though govt checks are always coming in >needs to do really well in school or athletic programs to get a scholarship, not just simply being hispanic or black or a female and simply applying for one >taking out student loans (re: govt programs) Bear in mind, if he takes out student loans and doesn't already have a known way how he will pay that back, that's fucking retarded. If you take out a loan, you better know how you are going to pay it back, when you're going to pay it back, and how much it's going to cost you to take out that loan. Even then, there are plenty of stories of first generation immigrants coming over here with literally nothing in making themselves into something. What about the Jews who came over from Germany with nothing? You know jews only make up 2% of america's population yet account for way more than half of the 1%? How did they get themselves out of poverty so fast when their families were being gassed? Again, let me reiterate this: there are more white people who are more poor than any other group in america. Imagine detroit, but you DON'T have a city government, which means you don't have things like a police department or health care or water services, meaning you have to get your own water from a well that's poisoned by lead, and you don't have any markets to go to so you have to hunt for your food, and you don't have electricity, so you have to make your own warmth or freeze to death.

you sound like derek vineyard from american history X.....think on that.

there are plenty of stories of black people born into nothing that made themselves into something as well. plenty of stories are not indicative of an overall picture.

not to mention, racism was much much worse pre 1970. climbing out of poverty post depression boom era as a white person versus climbing out as a black person in that same time period are not comparable. today its not that bad, but things are much worse overall for black people now BECAUSE of how it was before 1970 combined with some racism. nobody is saying there is rampant racism in the USA or that its as bad as it used to be. but it still exists, its still slightly harder for blacks or hispanics to succeed given everything else equal due to societal racism, but the main problem is the many years of extreme racism that left blacks in an overall more unfavorable position combined with the societal constraints.

yeah devon, only blacks deal with poverty.

white people weren't pulling themselves out of poverty easily pre 70s. have you ever heard of this thing called the "great depression" and the "dust bowl"? things aren't bad at all for black people, unless you count EBT being bad and black scholarships being bad and that when a white person kills a black person, it's national fucking headlines but when a black person kills a white person, it's social justice. I'd like to be able to get college money just for the color of my skin, but I'm white, and that isn't acceptable.

racism will always exist. it hasn't changed at all in the entire history of mankind. blacks had their own cities during the segregation era, and they had their own wall street. they did really well for themselves.

anyway, quantify the ways that racism prevents blacks and hispanics from succeeding. I mean, if it's so hard for them, then why do we have a black president? What about oprah? Eric holder? Al sharpton? the list goes on.

>I sound like a character from a movie

Nice ad hom there. Ad homs are thrown around when someone can't actually win an argument and must resort to personal attacks.

On November 01 2014 14:04 devon06atX wrote: edit - getting out of this hole I dug myself into is SUPER hard. I totally understand the cyclical povery/crime/drugs/wtfever epidemic that black people are dealing with in the states. It's a rough go.

It's why i despise the current financial system. I get where you come off. However in current system in order for a few to live good a dozen has to suffer. It's just something people don't comprehend Only positive is the progress in any aspect is much faster cause its battle of the fittest. Blacks are basically the same problem as gipsies in Europe, except probably lighter, since gipsies have it in their culture to live in ghettos not giving a fuck, stealing and being dumb as fuck, while OGs will strive for progress if given the chance...

Btw Gnarly I'll explain why you are a retard. And essentially why all racists are retards. It doesn't matter what privileges blacks get, cause the majority of them have nothing to do with upholding them. It's all a propaganda to enforce hate. Hate into a race, hate into a nation, hate into a region. It all differs depending on where you live. Hate on blacks in the USA. Hate on turks/arabs & eastern europeans in West Eurupe. And basically every nation hates the other in the Balkans. As long as there are idiots like you nothing will change, thats why I've given up too, cause idiots like you will always exist. You're just another brick in the wall put by the media

'White privilege'' - what a stupid and meaningless concept. How do we solve this 'white privilege'? You know, Asians do better in every single testable thing than white people in the USA. What about Asian privilege?

How about 'having a culture that doesn't glorify being victims and thinking that we need to sell drugs or rap about violence or abandon our children or murder our own' privilege. That's more like it. Has nothing to do with white/black or anything or race at all. Racism is such a minute fucking problem these days and the media just keep pushing it down our fucking throats. The problem is socio-economic and cultural. There are PROBABLY just as many racist black people as white people these days.

Fuck political correctness.

I'm not a racist, I'm just a realist.

Dr. Ben Carson - BLACK MAN - for President in 2016.

Stop viewing everything through a racial lens already, it's not the fucking 60's.

Who am I talking to? Any bleeding heart liberal reading this.

Gnarly, ask yourself why are you so indignant about race? The fact is if you want to blame anyone for the fact that wages are low, employment prospects are terrible, or whatever it is that is the problem, they most likely stem from the financial sector and the state. They also stem from the fact that academia does little to help poor whites understand the world, and the material issues people have like income, ect.

A lot of what you say is true, such for the fact that black people now hold positions of power. But you should remember that while Obama is president, as many black people are in jail as there were slaves in the 19th century. And a lot of them are in jail for petty crimes like drug possession ( something that shouldn't be a crime). Blacks may commit the most crimes, but they overwhelmingly do not create the law. And people who create the law get to decide on what is a crime and what isn't. Many of these laws are unfair to black people, such as historical ones like the lawful implementation of slavery.

And yeah, it's probably true that black people commit more rapes. Im sure if you go to any part of the world, the people who are being oppressed at the bottom of the social economic status cannot deal with their problems politically, because no one from the higher middle/upper classes is helping them. So they deal with their problems by fighting each other, abusing their children and drinking. Or even occasionally engaging in terrorism. Well, that's a fault of universities and the media for not trying to help these oppressed people understand how the upper classes are robbing them with property laws, ect.

Hey white guy from Palmdale who grew up with a junkie dad who abandoned you and a mom who's never home because she's working to raise 5 kids, don't worry - you have 'white privilege' . Oh wait, your prospects of ending up in prison or a drug addict are virtually the same as a black guy in your exact same demo? Gee, guess the whole white privilege thing is really just a racist judgement in it of itself.

On October 31 2014 12:13 Gnarly wrote: >"hurr durr feed der trollbread!!!"

On November 01 2014 13:15 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 05:30 SugoGosu wrote: rural poverty =/= inner city poverty yeah, rural poverty is MUCH worse than inner city poverty. when you don't get ANY government help AND you're in poverty is when it's really bad. the poorest people in america are the white folk in some small towns near the east coast and the Appalachian mountains? please educate yourself.

i lived in rural southern america in the Appalachian mountains for a long time where the majority of people were living off of welfare. i'm sure i understand it much better than you. you do get government help, and i worked for a period of time building homes that the government was offering to those who couldn't afford a place themselves. it's much easier to be living in rural america off of welfare than living with the same money but in a violent inner-city area.

my respect for u just plummeted. as you like to say, please educate yourself.

On October 31 2014 15:59 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 14:45 NewbSaibot wrote: lolol

HAHA

On November 01 2014 14:45 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 14:04 devon06atX wrote: edit - getting out of this hole I dug myself into is SUPER hard. I totally understand the cyclical povery/crime/drugs/wtfever epidemic that black people are dealing with in the states. It's a rough go. It's why i despise the current financial system. I get where you come off. However in current system in order for a few to live good a dozen has to suffer. It's just something people don't comprehend Only positive is the progress in any aspect is much faster cause its battle of the fittest. Blacks are basically the same problem as gipsies in Europe, except probably lighter, since gipsies have it in their culture to live in ghettos not giving a fuck, stealing and being dumb as fuck, while OGs will strive for progress if given the chance... Btw Gnarly I'll explain why you are a retard. And essentially why all racists are retards. It doesn't matter what privileges blacks get, cause the majority of them have nothing to do with upholding them. It's all a propaganda to enforce hate. Hate into a race, hate into a nation, hate into a region. It all differs depending on where you live. Hate on blacks in the USA. Hate on turks/arabs & eastern europeans in West Eurupe. And basically every nation hates the other in the Balkans. As long as there are idiots like you nothing will change, thats why I've given up too, cause idiots like you will always exist. You're just another brick in the wall put by the media

There is hate on the white race. When you can make a skit about how white people are going to be in the minority in a couple of decades, yet doing so with literally any other group would get you not only fired and publicly lynched, you'd probably be lynched. It's called "McCarthyism" and nowadays, you call people racist for not thinking that humans literally don't evolve differently for what parts of the world they live in and that we are literally all the same sub-sub-specie with no differing haplotypes. To assume without proper information that all humans in all parts of the world share the same temperaments and behaviors, you're a fucking retard. Please, look into what haplotypes. You might be surprised at who's actually connected to who.

Gnarly, ask yourself why are you so indignant about race? The fact is if you want to blame anyone for the fact that wages are low, employment prospects are terrible, or whatever it is that is the problem, they most likely stem from the financial sector and the state. They also stem from the fact that academia does little to help poor whites understand the world, and the material issues people have like income, ect. A lot of what you say is true, such for the fact that black people now hold positions of power. But you should remember that while Obama is president, as many black people are in jail as there were slaves in the 19th century. And a lot of them are in jail for petty crimes like drug possession ( something that shouldn't be a crime). Blacks may commit the most crimes, but they overwhelmingly do not create the law. And people who create the law get to decide on what is a crime and what isn't. Many of these laws are unfair to black people, such as historical ones like the lawful implementation of slavery. And yeah, it's probably true that black people commit more rapes. Im sure if you go to any part of the world, the people who are being oppressed at the bottom of the social economic status cannot deal with their problems politically, because no one from the higher middle/upper classes is helping them. So they deal with their problems by fighting each other, abusing their children and drinking. Or even occasionally engaging in terrorism. Well, that's a fault of universities and the media for not trying to help these oppressed people understand how the upper classes are robbing them with property laws, ect.

I'm indignant on hot topics.

So, when you say laws are unfair to black people, are you admitting that you view black people to be more aggressive? After all, blacks commit assault crimes the most, and yet, white people outnumber black people in america for poverty. After all, white people make up the majority of welfare recipients. Also, I do believe blacks don't compose the majority for petty drug crime possessions. Also, Obama, Oprah, Eric, Al, Jesse, etc. can actually make/change the law. There are black people in power that actually do make the law.

Also, slavery fucked over white people. Think about it. All of those slaves picking cotton, and not white people, although, there were Irish slaves as well. Even then, after slavery was abolished, you know what we did? We created a colony for the freed slaves. It's called "Liberia".

Find out where the rape capital of the world is, then tell me about third world countries with a socio-economics status of shit. I really do honestly want you to post it.

i lived in rural southern america in the Appalachian mountains for a long time where the majority of people were living off of welfare. i'm sure i understand it much better than you. you do get government help, and i worked for a period of time building homes that the government was offering to those who couldn't afford a place themselves. it's much easier to be living in rural america off of welfare than living with the same money but in a violent inner-city area. my respect for u just plummeted. as you like to say, please educate yourself.

okay, taking your anecdotal story, I'm going to poke holes. Have you been to every single city in the appalachian?

Also, section 8 also happens in the inner-city. Lived in a violent inner-city area, easy as fuck. Guess my anecdotal wrecks your story.

>respect
>lost

I'm sure you had some respect beforehand.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/...veals_about_white_men_and_street.html

the mccarthyism is real

this derail kind of sucks because I have a lot of issues with that video and don't care about this race related back and forth.

- anyone who spends 10 hours walking through NYC in general is likely to come across some creeps and mentally ill people. 10 hours is a very long time.

- that they had her walk mostly through Harlem without making that clear to people who may not be familiar with NYC didn't sit well with me.

- most socially aware people understand when they are being creepy and that catcalling is not ok. 90% of people who catcall also realize that it's not socially acceptable, they just don't give a shit and putting out videos like this isn't going to make them give a shit.

- raising money for catcalling awareness strikes me as scammy

im not big on calling racism, but i can't help but question why they chose to have a white woman walk through predominately minority neighborhoods to gather their footage. when the producers were confronted with this they tried to claim that they had plenty of white catcallers but it just so happens 100% of that footage was unusable due to background noise or something. obvious bullshit. although in hindsight i wonder if this was an intentional decision made by them in order to foster more discussion about the video and thus potentially raise more money.


would definitely like to hear any opinions on why i may be wrong on any of these points

Check your fucking privilege. Holy shit.

-so what you're saying is that she purposely did this to herself? what the fuck are you, a victim blamer? how the fuck did your mother even raise, if you have one, that is?

->walking through harlem and exactly what the fuck does harlem have to do with anything? this is a global fucking epidemic that isn't confined to ethnic neighborhoods

-are you saying that ethnic people aren't socially aware? is that because you think you're genetically superior to them? like you go ahead to say in your post, you claim that most of the "white footage" was bullshit and wasn't actually just bad coincidences, which means that you think only white people realize it is absofuckinglutely unacceptable in all circumstances to catcall EVER

-now you're saying she's a fucking jew, your post is literally a trigger for holocaust survivors. how fucking dare you insult the chosen people

again you go to say about how she only walked through ethnic neighborhoods yet claim that white people don't catcall, using your "90%" statistic which you seemed to have pulled out of your ass. please, for the love of all that is holy, CHECK YOUR FUCKING PRIVILEGE. I swear to god I'm not going to have ptsd over your post. I will hold you medically responsible for any traumatizing you do to me in the past AND in the future, and I will alert the proper authorities over your hate crimes.

On November 02 2014 02:38 Gnarly wrote: Check your fucking privilege. Holy shit. -so what you're saying is that she purposely did this to herself? what the fuck are you, a victim blamer? how the fuck did your mother even raise, if you have one, that is? ->walking through harlem and exactly what the fuck does harlem have to do with anything? this is a global fucking epidemic that isn't confined to ethnic neighborhoods -are you saying that ethnic people aren't socially aware? is that because you think you're genetically superior to them? like you go ahead to say in your post, you claim that most of the "white footage" was bullshit and wasn't actually just bad coincidences, which means that you think only white people realize it is absofuckinglutely unacceptable in all circumstances to catcall EVER -now you're saying she's a fucking jew, your post is literally a trigger for holocaust survivors. how fucking dare you insult the chosen people again you go to say about how she only walked through ethnic neighborhoods yet claim that white people don't catcall, using your "90%" statistic which you seemed to have pulled out of your ass. please, for the love of all that is holy, CHECK YOUR FUCKING PRIVILEGE. I swear to god I'm not going to have ptsd over your post. I will hold you medically responsible for any traumatizing you do to me in the past AND in the future, and I will alert the proper authorities over your hate crimes.

A+ satire

On November 02 2014 02:09 nolan wrote: this derail kind of sucks because I have a lot of issues with that video and don't care about this race related back and forth. - anyone who spends 10 hours walking through NYC in general is likely to come across some creeps and mentally ill people. 10 hours is a very long time. - that they had her walk mostly through Harlem without making that clear to people who may not be familiar with NYC didn't sit well with me. - most socially aware people understand when they are being creepy and that catcalling is not ok. 90% of people who catcall also realize that it's not socially acceptable, they just don't give a shit and putting out videos like this isn't going to make them give a shit. - raising money for catcalling awareness strikes me as scammy im not big on calling racism, but i can't help but question why they chose to have a white woman walk through predominately minority neighborhoods to gather their footage. when the producers were confronted with this they tried to claim that they had plenty of white catcallers but it just so happens 100% of that footage was unusable due to background noise or something. obvious bullshit. although in hindsight i wonder if this was an intentional decision made by them in order to foster more discussion about the video and thus potentially raise more money. would definitely like to hear any opinions on why i may be wrong on any of these points

agree on all points.. the video is aiming to manipulate, see my earlier posts #8:
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p.s. Gnarly, chill dude!

this deserves more love:

HQ ver

You're right you can justify your hate cause there is hate towards you. Smartest thing I've heard ever
#nobelprizepls

Essentially you're not wrong about most things, your hate is absolutely retarded though

i wish girls would do that to me when i'm walkin down the street

Gnarly, i really don't understand where your anger comes from. You need to relax. White people are not underprivileged, in fact we are the most privileged people out there. You are taking words and twisting them to satisfy your own beliefs. You are using logic of a 16 year old rebellious kid. I did respect you before, but the way you are acting is just stupid.

White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength.

@fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check

@gnarly, you need to work on your hug game theory dude

i didn't realize LP.net turned into fucking tumblr

lol at "check your privilege" bahahahahahahaha

On October 31 2014 12:53 Royal_Rumble wrote: Show nested quote + On October 30 2014 10:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: 1: being proud of your heritage is silly regardless of where you hail from, you had no involvement in the matter. Minorities however have been encouraged to be proud of their heritage to counterbalance the shame they used to feel about it. You can argue that it's silly in the same way, but it's basically an empowerment strategy. 2: How on earth are whites being a global minority in any way relevant to white privilege in Europe or USA? 3: If you think privilege equates to getting a good paying job at a fortune 500 for just being white, you're just an idiot. Privilege in this regard means stuff like : not having a 10x likelihood of being stopped or harassed by police regardless of whether crime has been committed. (This, on average, builds distrust, which equates to being less likely to function in accordance with society's expectations. That is not necessarily a bad thing, especially not for individuals, but when comparing stuff like wealth or health of a demographic, it is. ) Privilege even means that you are expected to do well - which on average translates to doing well. A black guy in school might be expected to do his literary analysis on 2pac, white guy on Shakespeare. One of those builds a more valuable skill-set for the future than the other. Then there's the whole networking aspect, which is just enormous.. here's what my guess on what this all stems from. You come from a white, but lower class background. This essentially means that many of the privileges that exist for most white people don't exist for you. Perhaps you even dress and or talk trashy - which can make you become discriminated against in much the same way ethnic minorities are. (regardless of how they dress or talk) So it almost ends up feeling the opposite way for you, you become upset because you've never felt any of this white privilege you hear about. You don't have the network that many white people do. You're almost like a black guy with a tiny penis - much worse than being a white guy with a tiny penis - because you fail to live up to the expectations people and society have towards you. Liquid Drone showed some real class here. I do not understand how he can be a respected contributor to this site, feeling that he is morally and intellectually superior to Gnarly and then insulting him in this way and making assumptions that have no basis besides Drone's pathetic attempts to mimic Freud.

hey you know what, I actually agree. I should be too good to lose my cool, and the freudizing I sometimes like to do (it's actually a party trick I have great success with!!) should be kept out of debates.

Just that in this particular scenario, I only hardly agree. Firstly because if you look at the first highlight, I don't state that he's an idiot. I essentially ask him "is this your actual opinion? because it if it's, you're an idiot". These are two different things, it's a way of asking him to clarify something because surely he cannot have actually meant to say what he actually said.

Secondly, I think the Freudizing was spot on, and his personal stories and anecdotes most certainly back that up, and the tiny penis thing was just a race-related allegory attempting to be funny, not trying to say that he has a tiny penis. I don't think it was particularly funny and I'm not offended by you not thinking so either.

And thirdly I do genuinely think I am intellectually superior to Gnarly and I think that applies to most people here. Him not actually answering the people he discusses with is part of what makes me stray from "the more serious principles governing internet debates", just look at every post he makes towards me in the second page of this thread. The only thing he consistently does is make up opinions that I don't have and then argue against them or insult me for them. You can find multiple (definitely in the 3 digit range) examples of me engaging in debates on the internet without me asserting my intellectual superiority or otherwise acting like a dick, but I'd be hard pressed to even find one debate on this webpage involving Gnarly without someone calling him an idiot. There's a reason for that.

Drone, can you count how many times I've asked for the privileges white americans get to be quantified? Then, can you count how many times that question has been answered? Cause I'm still waiting for some hard facts rather than "basically racism oppresses" or "even though white people were enslaved in other parts of the world, blacks had it so much harder cause of what I'm told by liberal media". that's like saying women are "basically oppressed by sexism" in america. people like to dodge and personally attack when they are confronted with questions they can't answer.

>says im dodging questions
>but actually is the dodger

On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check

stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies.

I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.

Hey Gnarly do you mind posting a picture of yourself?

On November 03 2014 03:13 SugoGosu wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies. I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.

What's funny is that a lot of europeans get their name changed to American sounding names. Italians, czechs, russians, etc.. So, again, how is that white privilege when a lot of "white" countries do it?

Take the "foreigner" idea and apply that in America. People would rather hire someone non-white than white here. Then again, when you say that even korean companies would rather hire a white person than a korean, are you implying that even the koreans are perhaps jealous of white people? why would a korean company hire whites over koreans without a specific reason? is it because all those companies are actually run by white people? is it so bad that these companies look for the most profitable candidates?

>most opportunities moving up the ladder

You should look at wealth demographics in America. You might be surprised at who's in the top five.

I think Gnarly has been privledged to post on the forum and should get his privileges revoked to only posting on his blog...

Can someone make a poll?

Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 03:56 Gnarly wrote:   On November 03 2014 03:13 SugoGosu wrote: [QUOTE]On November 02 2014 12:32 Gnarly wrote: White people are the most privileged? Is that because only white people can build societies? What about the Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Myanmar, brazilian, liberian, etc. societies? Did only the white man, only who is capable of such things, build their societies for them in return for privileges? smh, and you think I'm the angry one. You have such pent up hate against the rest of the world. When you accept that societies can be built by men other than of the white color, maybe you'll come to realize the true strength of diversity, which happens to be mankinds greatest strength. @fira, i actually do get catcalled quite frequently. girls and guys will whistle at me. girls will tug on my shirt to compliment it. gay guys will go so far as to give me a random hug. sometimes the girl tugging at my shirt thing can be a bit uncomfortable, depending on if she's creepy, but getting a hug is pushing it. (unless of course it's a 10/10 lil momma) I wonder if the woman in the video would be offended at the idea of not having to pay for her food because of her beauty-privilege, which she SORELY needs to check stop twisting words. I said nothing about how only white people can build societies. But it is true that white people get the most privileges and have the most opportunities in moving up the social ladder especially in today's world. It's a known fact that when applying for corporate positions, those with white sounding names are more likely to get an interview than say if your name were to be for instance Tyrone. Even in nations that you like to mention Japan, China, Korea, etc... I'm a white american living in Korea. It's easier for me to get an interview with a top conglomerate than my Korean peers merely for the fact that I am a white native English speaker from America, and I know many others who have been hired over the locals for nothing more than their "foreigner" status in top companies. I am not angry, and neither have I given any reason for you to believe so. Also your remark on diversity is a western idea and like you said, many great nations and civilizations throughout history have been built and thrived on the opposite spectrum of not being welcome to diversity. Diversity, although has the wonderful aspect as bringing new ideas to the table and offer various insights into the world / team related project or work. However diversity has many negative aspects as well. There are many instances of misunderstandings that are a result from language barriers, cultural backgrounds, and can cause tension when people have a strong feeling towards a certain religion or political view.   What's funny is that a lot of europeans get their name changed to American sounding names. Italians, czechs, russians, etc.. So, again, how is that white privilege when a lot of "white" countries do it?

I have never heard of this before, so I googled it and couldn't find any article or study that suggests it. I would like a source on this.

Take the "foreigner" idea and apply that in America. People would rather hire someone non-white than white here.

Are you talking about Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity? They were created to curb discrimination and were created for african americans and other minorities as getting a job and acceptance to universities is much harder for them. It's also the reason why they ban the use of photographs on job applications which is a very popular practice in Asian and a few European nations.

Then again, when you say that even korean companies would rather hire a white person than a korean, are you implying that even the koreans are perhaps jealous of white people? why would a korean company hire whites over koreans without a specific reason? is it because all those companies are actually run by white people? is it so bad that these companies look for the most profitable candidates?

What makes you think that Samsung, LG, CJ, Hyundai, Kia, Posco, SK, KT, Hanhwa, Daewoo, etc... are ran by white people? Since when are white people the most profitable? East Asian culture put a lot of pressure on status, and they have the assumption that America (more specifically white people) are rich. There are a lot of reasons for this, and I don't desire to write a book on the reasoning, but the short story is that America is the richest nation in the world, and English is the international language of information. White is considered attractive while blacks are gangsters and criminals (mostly as a result of hollywood and other forms of media and pop-culture). Therefore they have a belief that white americans are a source of power and information. Historically, many women who were in international relationships (i.e. asian woman with white male) were a whore / slut / etc... (to use Korean here, 김치년 (kimchi bitch) or 양공주 (foreigner princess)) as they were "cheating" in their rise in society (in addition to various personal emotions including "why are korean men not good enough for you?" )

>most opportunities moving up the ladder You should look at wealth demographics in America. You might be surprised at who's in the top five.

Ok, just America? Here are the top articles on the list from a 20 second google search
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/21/news/economy/wealth-gap-race/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/0...ighs-between-whites-blacks-hispanics/
http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/shapiro-thomas-m/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf
http://prospect.org/article/racial-wealth-gap


So white Americans are the wealthiest? I don't see a single source to back up your argument.

edited for formating

Right off the top of my head: Stephen Colbert. Though, he's a jew. Which, for your demographics, jews are counted as white people, not as ethnic jews. (ashkanazi) Then, after that, you have Indians. Then the Chinese, I believe. The problem with white asian black and latino is that you can't differentiate who's asian and who's white and whatnot. By lumping in the jews with white people, it's going to disinform you. I mean, our recent couple of fed chairmans have been jewish, most of the forbes top list are jewish, most of hollywood is jewish, most of media is jewish, etc..

Americans of Jewish descent have been disproportionately successful in many fields and aspects over the years.[12][13] The Jewish community in America has gone from a lower class minority, with most studies putting upwards of 80% as manual factory laborers prior to World War I and with the majority of fields barred to them,[14] to the consistent richest or second richest ethnicity in America for the past 40 years in terms of average annual salary, with extremely high concentrations in academia and other fields, and today have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the United States, at around double the average income of non-Jewish Americans.[15][16][17]

From the "american jews" wiki page. How did these poor minorities end up becoming so successful if poverty is so hard to escape?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobb...contributors_immigrants_minority.html

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

>curb discrimination
>by actively setting a racial quota
>harder to get into universities

I will go find the site for you where you can find out how likely you are to get accepted into universities based on your race and scoring, and I will also find you the applicant acceptance rating for medical schools. Black people make up a higher rating than white people. (though, I just have to find it) (this upcoming link isn't what Imma show you)

http://priceonomics.com/post/48794283...-colleges-discriminate-against-asians

Even in here it shows that black people AND hispanic people have a higher acceptance rate than white people.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-medical-school-acceptance-rates-from.html

For medical school acceptances. white - 36% black - 69% hispanic - 86%

I didn't say that korean companies are ran by white people, I was asking you, since you say you work for one. To me, when you say that koreans would rather hire white people, I question as to WHY. you say it's because the KOREAN people THINK that americans are rich.

Also, women in sweden call men who marry asian women to be misogynists and traitors of their country. everywhere in the world, interracial dating is going to get shit on. i hear brazil is actually pretty good about not shitting on it, though. so i don't see what the fuck your point about that has to do with anything.

i don't know what you all talking about, but in Russia this girl will be considered ugly and will not get any "hellos" at all excluding drunkards and wasted ppl

looks like there is a problem with women in US of A if C- looking hobbit-girl gets so much attention

On November 03 2014 05:33 casinocasino wrote: I think Gnarly has been privledged to post on the forum and should get his privileges revoked to only posting on his blog... Can someone make a poll?

this post doesn't contribute to the topic at hand or the threat at all. instead, it's only about a personal attack, which I think should be met with a ban. such unnecessary derailing makes this community look bad.

Poll: Should Gnarly be banned
(Vote): Yup
(Vote): This is racist

i don't know what ashkanazi means but it sounds like a language from middle earth

@SugoGosu

I'm failing at quoting you, but I can assure you that Europeans who have lived in America for awhile generally all go by Anglicized names. Not sure why you need a googled scientific study to understand this. Just ask some of the euro's on this board, they probably would or have done it.

I grew up near a pretty big Greek community with lots of fobs. Vasilios goes by Billy or Will. People named Christos or Nikos obviously go by Chris or Nick. More complicated names like Panayote or Stratis sometimes get kept but it's not uncommon for them to just go by Pete or Steve as well.

I'm fairly confident people with names that are either hard for anglos to pronounce or significantly rare/odd would anglicize their names as well especially if there's a close English approximation (i.e. Petr, Geert, Gijs, Jaap, Joop).

The only real exceptions I see to this are Spanish and French names as they've always been pretty common in North America. Even still, you have a lot of people from Quebec or 3rd/4th generation Italians who still go by anglicized names (i.e. I have a friend who's real first name is Giuseppe but he always goes by "Dom" or "Domenic" as it's his middle name and a bit more normal).

Dunno why I took multiple paragraphs to explain that but I think you're either being intentionally dishonest or incredibly ignorant to the European immigrant communities in the U.S. if you're disputing this point.

1. enter into an intelligent dialogue with gnarly
2. ???
3. loss
4. repeat

im going to add some serious fuel to this discussion, and remember where I live when I say these words.

You cant just ignore all the statistics Gnarly post and justify them under slavery 150 years ago and subsequent racism, certainly its a defining huge factor but I think an even bigger factor is culture and I believe that because of my own experience with Mexican culture.

A few years ago we were in need of programmers and designers for LiquidPoker and we hired two Mexicans and it didnt go well, we ended up having to hire considerably more expensive european employees because simply the Mexicans were not as industrious and not as reliable and thats is simply a reflection of the culture of our countries, a german in average simply will outperform a Mexican in most jobs, not because their are smarter or genetically superior, simply because we have different cultures, Germans have values of hard work and integrity, Mexicans value family cheerfulness, etc.

So I don't think its whites what its keeping blacks down, they are simply victims of their own culture, and if you speak with somewhat successful in a third world country you will see alike opinions, maybe its harder for somebody like Drone who has lived in Europe all his life to see this.

On November 03 2014 17:43 nolan wrote: @SugoGosu I'm failing at quoting you, but I can assure you that Europeans who have lived in America for awhile generally all go by Anglicized names. Not sure why you need a googled scientific study to understand this. Just ask some of the euro's on this board, they probably would or have done it. I grew up near a pretty big Greek community with lots of fobs. Vasilios goes by Billy or Will. People named Christos or Nikos obviously go by Chris or Nick. More complicated names like Panayote or Stratis sometimes get kept but it's not uncommon for them to just go by Pete or Steve as well. I'm fairly confident people with names that are either hard for anglos to pronounce or significantly rare/odd would anglicize their names as well especially if there's a close English approximation (i.e. Petr, Geert, Gijs, Jaap, Joop). The only real exceptions I see to this are Spanish and French names as they've always been pretty common in North America. Even still, you have a lot of people from Quebec or 3rd/4th generation Italians who still go by anglicized names (i.e. I have a friend who's real first name is Giuseppe but he always goes by "Dom" or "Domenic" as it's his middle name and a bit more normal). Dunno why I took multiple paragraphs to explain that but I think you're either being intentionally dishonest or incredibly ignorant to the European immigrant communities in the U.S. if you're disputing this point.

Oh Im sorry, i just never heard of it before. I am aware that many people do pick up English names, but my knowledge was only from my Chinese friends from high school who were mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. All of my russian friends keep their native names so I was skeptical and couldnt find any recent report about it on google. Sorry.

On November 03 2014 12:39 Gnarly wrote: Right off the top of my head: Stephen Colbert. Though, he's a jew. Which, for your demographics, jews are counted as white people, not as ethnic jews. (ashkanazi) Then, after that, you have Indians. Then the Chinese, I believe. The problem with white asian black and latino is that you can't differentiate who's asian and who's white and whatnot. By lumping in the jews with white people, it's going to disinform you. I mean, our recent couple of fed chairmans have been jewish, most of the forbes top list are jewish, most of hollywood is jewish, most of media is jewish, etc.. Show nested quote + Americans of Jewish descent have been disproportionately successful in many fields and aspects over the years.[12][13] The Jewish community in America has gone from a lower class minority, with most studies putting upwards of 80% as manual factory laborers prior to World War I and with the majority of fields barred to them,[14] to the consistent richest or second richest ethnicity in America for the past 40 years in terms of average annual salary, with extremely high concentrations in academia and other fields, and today have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the United States, at around double the average income of non-Jewish Americans.[15][16][17] From the "american jews" wiki page. How did these poor minorities end up becoming so successful if poverty is so hard to escape? http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobb...contributors_immigrants_minority.html   East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites. >curb discrimination >by actively setting a racial quota >harder to get into universities I will go find the site for you where you can find out how likely you are to get accepted into universities based on your race and scoring, and I will also find you the applicant acceptance rating for medical schools. Black people make up a higher rating than white people. (though, I just have to find it) (this upcoming link isn't what Imma show you) http://priceonomics.com/post/48794283...-colleges-discriminate-against-asians Even in here it shows that black people AND hispanic people have a higher acceptance rate than white people. http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-medical-school-acceptance-rates-from.html For medical school acceptances. white - 36% black - 69% hispanic - 86% I didn't say that korean companies are ran by white people, I was asking you, since you say you work for one. To me, when you say that koreans would rather hire white people, I question as to WHY. you say it's because the KOREAN people THINK that americans are rich. Also, women in sweden call men who marry asian women to be misogynists and traitors of their country. everywhere in the world, interracial dating is going to get shit on. i hear brazil is actually pretty good about not shitting on it, though. so i don't see what the fuck your point about that has to do with anything.

Im on my phone at the moment, so i first apologize if this post is a bit difficult to understand. You first asked about wealth demographics in America. I then show you that whites have the most wealth, and you refute it by bringing up articles about Affirmative Action.

Affirmative Action was a tool that was used to shrink the gap long-term, and quotas were introduced to public schools (im unsure if private academic institutions are required to abide by this). Ill admit that affirmative action has its own problems, but it was introduced originally for good reasons, but its implememtation could have been better as it doesnt target those from poor rural areas of America who have a sub-par secondary education. But instead it targeted those with the lowest graduation rate in inner-city areas that is riddled with gang violence. Its used in a way to lift those out of poverty and have been historically discriminated against.

Wouldnt this be beneficial as your belief of diversity being what makes America wonderful and great?

Anyways, the older generation in many parts of Asia, especially in nations that have been "westernized" for a shorter period of time (south east asia and Korea) do hold the notion that those from European, America, Canada, and Australia descent are wealthy. Mostly as a result of their own personal experiences growing up.

I apologize for my wording before, i was trying to attack multiple points at the same time. I should work on my writing I suppose.

Ill try again.

The reason many whites in Asian nations have more employment possibilities in large international conglomerates than natives isnt because we are "wealthy" but instead because of our language. Since English is the universal language of information, native English speakers have an upper hand in landing opportunities . The majority of white expats are either native English speakers, or normally are believed to have a better grasp of the language than those native to the nation. They are believed to be more capable of communicating with the international world which imports the most products and services. Its also the reason English test scores are so important for jobs and university acceptance.

On November 03 2014 20:31 Baalim wrote: im going to add some serious fuel to this discussion, and remember where I live when I say these words. You cant just ignore all the statistics Gnarly post and justify them under slavery 150 years ago and subsequent racism, certainly its a defining huge factor but I think an even bigger factor is culture and I believe that because of my own experience with Mexican culture. A few years ago we were in need of programmers and designers for LiquidPoker and we hired two Mexicans and it didnt go well, we ended up having to hire considerably more expensive european employees because simply the Mexicans were not as industrious and not as reliable and thats is simply a reflection of the culture of our countries, a german in average simply will outperform a Mexican in most jobs, not because their are smarter or genetically superior, simply because we have different cultures, Germans have values of hard work and integrity, Mexicans value family cheerfulness, etc. So I don't think its whites what its keeping blacks down, they are simply victims of their own culture, and if you speak with somewhat successful in a third world country you will see alike opinions, maybe its harder for somebody like Drone who has lived in Europe all his life to see this.

This, while true, has like 0 to do with the topic, you were trying to get cheap programmers which usually suck, price of labor and quality of work are almost always dependent of each other. I was not expecting you to give a biased example :o