Taking Students ??

soo original and creative

Moving cities to learn online poker seems a little 2 much for me

If you dont trust people who you coach, dont take students. Also it's pretty simple to make yourself pretty safe, just make sure the site they play on is trakcked on PTR and put a minimum volume they have to play each month under some kind of a $ penalty.

sounds like a pretty big commitment for the students. Gl with your coaching business wobb.

Move to a smelly ass continent to learn da pokerz? Ty but no ty.

What are your credentials as a poker coach?
What teaching and motivational experience have you got?


You should provide more details, this is just a poor proposition really.

well obviously if they are in australia all the better. and PTR doesnt track all results.

On September 15 2010 05:13 LemOn[5thF] wrote: What are your credentials as a poker coach? What teaching and motivational experience have you got? You should provide more details, this is just a poor proposition really.

atm im just thinking about taking students, so doing a sort of survey.

I've coached 3 people, their ids are babs1337, kiwikaki and a reallife friend who only plays 50nl.

Non poker teaching experiences lets see, I was both a primary and highschool tutor and also a Sydney University TA for 2 years teaching Software development.

When I think details through I will obviously make a clearer post. I think i will be able to offer a guarantee something like 75k poker profit for the first year.

Do that and details of how your programme would work, and ditch the relocation requirement.

And guarantee of profits is BS btw, just look at WhiteHEadSyd from DeucesCracked, the bastard had 2 years worth of regular mentoring and coaching from one of the best coaches around and he is still a breakeven spazztard...

On September 15 2010 05:39 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Do that and details of how your programme would work, and ditch the relocation requirement. And guarantee of profits is BS btw, just look at WhiteHEadSyd from DeucesCracked, the bastard had 2 years worth of regular mentoring and coaching from one of the best coaches around and he is still a breakeven spazztard...

fwiw hes from sydney so maybe wobbly should coach him too

Dont know who Whiteheadsyd is or w/e but I believe in my abilities so I will offer some sort of money back guarantee.

75k guaranteed sounds good, if they dont hit that tho you have to pay from your own pocket, but that shouldnt be a problem if you have faith in your abilities.

On September 15 2010 07:03 EvilSky wrote: 75k guaranteed sounds good, if they dont hit that tho you have to pay from your own pocket, but that shouldnt be a problem if you have faith in your abilities.

yup sounds right. i was thinking of 50k tho.

wobbly why do you want to kill our games?

obv one of the rules will be not allowd to play stars =D

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not worth the risk

how long does the profit sharing usually last when its payment for coaching?

If I wasn't basicly on the opposite end of the planet I'd probably snap this

On September 15 2010 07:49 daysare wrote: how long does the profit sharing usually last when its payment for coaching?

im thinking until u make 300k profit, of which i keep 50%. obv there are other rules which will allow a termination of contract under certain circumstances.

is this a hoax? lololol

On September 15 2010 08:32 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2010 07:49 daysare wrote: how long does the profit sharing usually last when its payment for coaching? im thinking until u make 300k profit, of which i keep 50%. obv there are other rules which will allow a termination of contract under certain circumstances.

lol, $150k for coaching? are u serious? ;o

On September 15 2010 09:07 EvilSky wrote: is this a hoax? lololol

This was obviously supposed to be a retarded joke thread aimed to berate Myth's caching program, I thought it would be funny to ask serious questions about this bullshit.

I wonder of Wobbly actually considered to do this for a second after the 'serious' responses came in instead of 'gtfo asshole' comments :D

this is seirous thread. i will take any student. promise em 50k for the first year and make em 150k. dont see how this is at all similar to the scam myth is pulling.

On September 15 2010 09:50 wobbly_au wrote: this is seirous thread. i will take any student. promise em 50k for the first year and make em 150k. dont see how this is at all similar to the scam myth is pulling.

no hitting below the belt

u dun even need to know poker. send me a resume with a strong education background, we can have a skype interview and go from there.

meh this was mean.

buyt lol if you're gonna relocate yourself to live with Wobbly.

On September 15 2010 10:22 BigRed0000 wrote: no amount of money is worth having to put up with you for > 5 seconds. Even more lol at the thought of someone moving across the world to live with a douchebag like you. GL, if anyone actually takes you up on this I pity them, but hey at least they'll probably get good at poker!

yes how i act when chatting with imature kids online is how I am in reallife. why do you even reply to this thread? Cant attack my poker/coaching skills so you start with the personal attacks to derail?

Nice try.

Im getting too many PMs and cant respond individually, so please leave discussions here.

Ehh i've heard quite a few reliable people tell me about what a tool you are in real life, also the way you act on here clearly reflects you're a big life nit (no one likes people like that). I edited my post b/c you're right and this is your blog and I shouldn't be in here saying anything.

I'm willing to pay 350$/hour

WAIT

On September 15 2010 10:34 BigRed0000 wrote: Ehh i've heard quite a few reliable people tell me about what a tool you are in real life, also the way you act on here clearly reflects you're a big life nit (no one likes people like that). I edited my post b/c you're right and this is your blog and I shouldn't be in here saying anything.

im guessing reliable people like myth, frinkx, elky and rekrul?

btw 150k is a very cheap hourly if you just do some simple math, so I might even up the fee.

lets say it takes u 2 years to achieve 300k profit, thats 365X2 = 730. 150k / 730 = 200$/day

Even if I just spend 1 hour on you thats only a 200$/hour rate, ridiculously low considering im willing to guarantee success.

Lets negotiate:

My terms:

You come here to New York to live with me
You teach me the pokers, guarantee 150k first year (2010)
I will let you live for free

How many socks will I fuck down there? I mean girls...

What about myth? Doesnt he couch? Why eat chuck if you can eat filet mignon.

On September 15 2010 10:47 wobbly_au wrote: btw 150k is a very cheap hourly if you just do some simple math, so I might even up the fee. lets say it takes u 2 years to achieve 300k profit, thats 365X2 = 730. 150k / 730 = 200$/day Even if I just spend 1 hour on you thats only a 200$/hour rate, ridiculously low considering im willing to guarantee success.

Are you really planning to spend that much time with a student, meeting with him every single day?
I wouldnt say you can guarantee a success btw, since some people just dont have the proper skills and IQ to understand more advanced concepts and move onto deeper thinking.

Interesting, nontheless ;o

I still maintain its a hoax, well played sir you had me going there for a moment.

1hour a day is alot ??? what are you smoking defrag??

On September 15 2010 12:09 Defrag wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2010 10:47 wobbly_au wrote: btw 150k is a very cheap hourly if you just do some simple math, so I might even up the fee. lets say it takes u 2 years to achieve 300k profit, thats 365X2 = 730. 150k / 730 = 200$/day Even if I just spend 1 hour on you thats only a 200$/hour rate, ridiculously low considering im willing to guarantee success. Are you really planning to spend that much time with a student, meeting with him every single day? I wouldnt say you can guarantee a success btw, since some people just dont have the proper skills and IQ to understand more advanced concepts and move onto deeper thinking. Interesting, nontheless ;o

Well if the student doesn't work out, he can just lead them to the forest and run. With the huge number of poisonous, well everything, in Australia, it shouldn't take long for the person to be taken down, then gobbled up by some huge insect.

Seriously, Australia has way too many creepy animals

On a more serious note: if you want to do something like this I am unsure if you can draw local talent from sydney. I think with spring/summer coming up you may find people willing to relocate. Are you going to provide a stake and moving assistance (finding apt etc). What about guarantees in regards to coaching? What if your coaching fails and your student only maintains a winrate at what he used to win at before coaching? Shouldn't you have guarantees where you take a graduated scale of profit based on success? For example, if win rate stays same your cut = 0%.

Sounds like a fun time for someone actually if you lay out all the particulars esp considering that Sydney is hitting spring/summer soon.

Yeah, you chose a pretty bad time to ask Americans at least. College has just started up again over the past 3 weeks across the country

On September 15 2010 12:24 Maynard! wrote: On a more serious note: if you want to do something like this I am unsure if you can draw local talent from sydney. I think with spring/summer coming up you may find people willing to relocate. Are you going to provide a stake and moving assistance (finding apt etc). What about guarantees in regards to coaching? What if your coaching fails and your student only maintains a winrate at what he used to win at before coaching? Shouldn't you have guarantees where you take a graduated scale of profit based on success? For example, if win rate stays same your cut = 0%. Sounds like a fun time for someone actually if you lay out all the particulars esp considering that Sydney is hitting spring/summer soon.

housing will be provided for only need 50$ br so im sure anyone can just put their own money up. Obviously bigger starting roll the better.

If they dont make anymoney I give them 50k. If they make 40k i give them 10k. etc

I'm pretty interested, but I'm a graduate student and would only be able to dedicate summer months. Would you accept a shortened summer plan to acquaint ourselves and if I'm trustworthy, extend it to a long-distance plan (where it continues even though I'm back in the US)?

On September 15 2010 12:47 Sanai wrote: I'm pretty interested, but I'm a graduate student and would only be able to dedicate summer months. Would you accept a shortened summer plan to acquaint ourselves and if I'm trustworthy, extend it to a long-distance plan (where it continues even though I'm back in the US)?

not likely. but im still thinking things through. this blog will serve as a good forum for discussion.

ur only up for longterm coaching for ppl moving to sidney? ;o

Graduated college, am looking for a change of scenery, and would love this opportunity. I play live poker in florida, a little bit online, and work part time playing piano for a church (although I am a non-believer).

wobbly you are being way too greedy here, 50% for long term is just WOW, pooruser offered me a deal of like 25~35% long term, don't remember exactly a long time ago.....

did you even do the maths? 50% is v.low

also im covering rent which is a fk load

(I was told to post this PM here)

Im interested in your coaching, but I've got a few questions I hope you can answer.

How long will your students have to live in Australia for?
Will you be coaching your students individually or in a group?
Will you be paying your students monthly?
Will you be coaching FR, 6max or both?
Do you require your students to play a specific amount of hours per week?

Anyways, I'm 22 years old from Canada, Ontario. For the past year I've been pretty much living off online poker. I play nl100 FR, im currently crushing it at 4.6bb/100 over the past 110k hands.

I've been wanting to move up to nl200 for awhile now but I withdrawal alot to pay my living expenses and im not very good at taking shots at the next level.

Here's my PTR, it doesn't track my results 100%.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/k4ir0s

I'm from the USA and and if I can get some sort of visa I would come and stay and grind with you. I'm in school right now but i broke up with my girl a bit ago and would probably be down for this. Actually tried to move to Australia after high school.

I haven't played for income since last year when i was grinding 6max on cake and bought a car but we could play a set of 25/50/100 Hu sngs or something if you need to verify that im not retarded.

On September 15 2010 13:59 wobbly_au wrote: did you even do the maths? 50% is v.low also im covering rent which is a fk load

you didnt said you would cover rent in your 1st post which was all i read, that makes it much better ofc

but still i've talked with a lot of coaches and i've never heard anything above 35% for long term profit sharing, unless you also back them up ofc, which would make this much more interesting, like backing a broke NL10 breakeven reg into australia and teaching him how to be a winner on NL200+

On September 15 2010 12:20 wobbly_au wrote: 1hour a day is alot ??? what are you smoking defrag??

I was rather expecting you to take few students, if u take 3-4 and run individual sessions that adds up and can become troublesome, especially if you still want to play yourself.

On September 15 2010 15:15 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2010 13:59 wobbly_au wrote: did you even do the maths? 50% is v.low also im covering rent which is a fk load you didnt said you would cover rent in your 1st post which was all i read, that makes it much better ofc but still i've talked with a lot of coaches and i've never heard anything above 35% for long term profit sharing, unless you also back them up ofc, which would make this much more interesting, like backing a broke NL10 breakeven reg into australia and teaching him how to be a winner on NL200+

but he also has a 50k from his own pocket guarentee ;o

i guess when you put it all on paper it could be a very good deal

I dunno but this all seem rly cool to me xD

oh, and new bleach n naruto manga just out, wuhu

Don't have the balls to do this, even though I live up north in Norway, and winter is coming and it usually lasts 8 months with 3-4 months at - 20 and pitch black lol

meh i would probably do this if i wasn't in the military.

i would prolly do this if you didn't live in australia

I am interested
I am an 18 yo University student from the United States, have a background in Warcraft 3, am analytical and determined, and have people that could vouch for my accountability. I would be happy to reveal more personal details and background via msn, skype, pm, or irc.

EDIT: When I say people I mean ex clan BAD people :D, people you would know either first or second hand.

On September 15 2010 12:20 Carthac wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2010 12:09 Defrag wrote:   On September 15 2010 10:47 wobbly_au wrote: btw 150k is a very cheap hourly if you just do some simple math, so I might even up the fee. lets say it takes u 2 years to achieve 300k profit, thats 365X2 = 730. 150k / 730 = 200$/day Even if I just spend 1 hour on you thats only a 200$/hour rate, ridiculously low considering im willing to guarantee success. Are you really planning to spend that much time with a student, meeting with him every single day? I wouldnt say you can guarantee a success btw, since some people just dont have the proper skills and IQ to understand more advanced concepts and move onto deeper thinking. Interesting, nontheless ;o Well if the student doesn't work out, he can just lead them to the forest and run. With the huge number of poisonous, well everything, in Australia, it shouldn't take long for the person to be taken down, then gobbled up by some huge insect. Seriously, Australia has way too many creepy animals

lol im sure ur kidding but i mean, there's probably the same number of bear fatalities in america. to be honest, im scared of rattlesnakes and bears if i ever visit USA

On September 15 2010 18:39 Mariuslol wrote: Don't have the balls to do this, even though I live up north in Norway, and winter is coming and it usually lasts 8 months with 3-4 months at - 20 and pitch black lol

poker or not, get yourself out of there before winter hits :D

showing myth you are better coach isnt worth making games worse imo

(I was told to post this PM here)

Im interested in your coaching, but I've got a few questions I hope you can answer.

How long will your students have to live in Australia for?
Until they complete the 300k contract

Will you be coaching your students individually or in a group?
Im looking to take on 3-4 students.

Will you be paying your students monthly?
Yes

Will you be coaching FR, 6max or both?
FR, my lifetime 4mil hands at fr im a 2.6ptbb winner 6max im 0.3ptbb LOL.

Do you require your students to play a specific amount of hours per week?
yes

Anyways, I'm 22 years old from Canada, Ontario. For the past year I've been pretty much living off online poker. I play nl100 FR, im currently crushing it at 4.6bb/100 over the past 110k hands.

I've been wanting to move up to nl200 for awhile now but I withdrawal alot to pay my living expenses and im not very good at taking shots at the next level.

Here's my PTR, it doesn't track my results 100%.

U seem prospective student keep in touch

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/k4ir0s

To bazinga: =) i will find out who u arreee

um thanks for all the replies im gna discuss this with some friends and when time comes I will post details and I will contact all the potential students who have pmed or left a message here!

Please be patient.

wobbly,
I'm definitely interested in the coaching. i'll even move to Australia next month. I play through 200nl, but mostly 100. I got 3 months of coaching from D_Zoo from April through July. Feel free to ask him anything about me. I beat 25nl and 50nl for 5ptbb and 100nl for 4ptbb. PM me your Skype/MSN or whatever and I'd be more than happy to talk further about the coaching.

On September 15 2010 21:57 DaTruf wrote: wobbly, I'm definitely interested in the coaching. i'll even move to Australia next month. I play through 200nl, but mostly 100. I got 3 months of coaching from D_Zoo from April through July. Feel free to ask him anything about me. I beat 25nl and 50nl for 5ptbb and 100nl for 4ptbb. PM me your Skype/MSN or whatever and I'd be more than happy to talk further about the coaching.

will do~ wait a couple of days. I have to think up details.

also stressing my level of interest. i play nl100, but i think the main point is that i am extremely willing and happy to go to australia

welcome to the country

fuk. I could barely sleep, been thinking about this too much

I was kinda interested in this but not sure it's the best move right now for me considering the cost/benefit of everything involved.

A couple questions:
-Where is this place you're going to let your students rent out? An idea of the living conditions seems like it'd be pretty important for someone deciding to pack up and go to another country for what will probably be 2+yrs, which brings me to the legal agreement...

-Obviously you're going to make the students sign something, but is that going to be it? I knew a guy who entered a coaching/profitshare agreement and needed to provide his SSN...but it occurred to me there's no way the coach was organized enough to go somewhere and get a background check done (if only to verify the SSN...not even sure if an average joe and go can do that kind of thing). Basically what I'm asking is what kind of legal precautions are you gonna take to make sure you're not wasting your time? 2+yrs and 300k is a long time, and I'm not sure a lot of the guys that are gonna be snapping up your deal fully understand the amount of time/effort they'll need to commit. Just thinking a bit ahead b/c staking in general is pretty stressful and you might be better off just grinding and maybe mentoring a really close personal/online friend that you're sure there won't be trust/honesty issues about a deal like this.

-The coaching. You mentioned like 2-3 guys. The chief concern for the student is obviously that the coach be not someone who can only play, but can teach as well. Usually I see this kind of offer come up with a well known coach who has a lot of students, with most of the people taking the offer being past students instead of new ones. Could you go more into detail on your past experience coaching? Maybe an outline of your methods and reasons why you're a good coach? I'm trying to phrase this so it doesn't sound douchy, but if the coach can't teach well and the student doesn't learn much and just has to grind out his 300k, (kinda like what defrag was getting at), it ends up being really time consuming and unprofitable for all parties involved (since you'd make more just playing).


For what it's worth, I'm still v interested in visiting sydney for a spell. Is there any chance I can just pay rent and live in this place you're setting up, for example if you don't fill up with 4 students. I cook, and clean from time to time. =p

If you do hourly coaching, I'd be interested in that as well.

PS: Here's an example with pics/information that might help you "market" this better. Adding to the whole "pics" question.

edit:
Kind of a side thought. Why don't you just write up a draft to the contract for prospective students to look at? Doesn't have to be public, but it makes a lot of sense. Like, when you say there will be a min. hours requirement, it'd be useful for me to know how many hours that is.

On September 16 2010 07:35 k4ir0s wrote: fuk. I could barely sleep, been thinking about this too much

amen

expect a blog about this with some details about this issue at the end of the month

bleh would be all over this a couple years ago.

is this going to be an ongoing thing? would potentially be interested starting around spring next year depending on how some other (non-poker) life things turn out.

im interested in this. havent been to australia and im sick of the philippines tbh

LOL finally Wobbly tries to find some friends

Are you talking about 50 percent of table profits or 50 percent of total profits(inc rakeback)?