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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 01 2016 23:36. Posts 34246


  On November 01 2016 12:33 Loco wrote:

On a personal note, even the "environmentalist" hippies I know are now having kids. I truly am convinced that it will take nothing less than a catastrophe. I've lost all hope for humanity and I'm beyond weeping for it



Most of my friends are self righteous environmentalist hippies and many vegans, its always fun to point their hypocrisy when they start to breed.

I also lost hope for humanity but I dont weep, I laugh.

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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 01 2016 23:40. Posts 34246


  On November 01 2016 22:28 Loco wrote:
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There isn't just those two options though. There is at least one more, which is the one I stated a couple posts above yours: having government incentives to not have kids (or have only 1 kid) instead of the opposite (I'm sure Baal could also explain a way to do this under anarchy). People could be paid to have themselves sterilized, like Project Prevention does. Of course, this doesn't deal with the fact that it's people in third world countries that are procreating the most, but they also don't have a fraction of our ecological footprint...

Yes, we could imagine that it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy if everyone just gave up, but that's not realistic at all. Optimism is hard-wired into people and deeply entrenched into our culture as well, so there is no worry to be had there. It's the things people are optimistic about that should worry us. Very few people actually have a good heart and want to be of service to others and those few are rarely ever in a position of great power and influence. And when they are, they are vastly outnumbered and overpowered. It's easier to destroy things than it is to build and maintain them. The intractable problems we are facing would require humanity to come together in a way that is currently unimaginable considering what we know of history and human nature. I don't think selling this illusion matters at all: wherever there are problems, there will be people trying to fix them. It's the meaning of life for the intelligent/compassionate people.


Agreed and the incentives are backwards, the governments pays people to marry and reproduce in the form of tax cuts.

Also you dont have to say the only solution is to stop breeding, stop consumerism, carbon tax etc should still be implemented, but the conversation about the REAL problem should start, we dont need Leonardo DiCaprio talking about the melting caps, we need him talking about population.

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RiKD    United States. Nov 01 2016 23:47. Posts 8445


  On November 01 2016 09:16 Spitfiree wrote:
??
The most populated country in the world is made mostly of atheists. I know people don't know that since some bureaucrat decided to fill in useless statistics but still... China's population mostly does not believe or does not care about God. Then you have India most of which is Hindu. Then you have Indonesia which is biggest muslim country in the world, those being the top3 most populated and are about 40-42% of the worlds pop. I honestly can't think of many christian countries that have a positive population growth, I'm guessing Mexico/Brazil/USA, but Europe consists of mostly negative growth

Its far from religion, its the lack of purpose and education and basic human rights and so on.



Ignorance and delusion. Powerful combo.

Let us plan.

Who would like to join me in Kuopo, Finland?

One day it will be the new Helsinki.

We have strong holdings in water and cash for crops (bread, corn, black beans, potato, sweet potato, etc.).

Animal agriculture is banned. Perhaps having children too.

Should we be concerned with holdings in gold and AK-47s? Drones? Tanks?

Kuopo might not be far enough off the coast?

Hire a sens technology doctor to come along?

This is just early stages planning guys. I need your help.


Loco   Canada. Nov 02 2016 00:58. Posts 20963


  On November 01 2016 15:51 Mortensen8 wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2...-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
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I've already posted material that discredits Lustig in this thread, which you didn't address (and I can't imagine you addressing), but that's beside the point. What do you imagine this is a comeback response to? This article has nothing to do with veganism or eating a low fat plant-based diet. The WHI was a pretty meaningless study:


  Some have taken the result to be a setback for low-fat diet advocates. However, the study confirms the findings of several others: Modest dietary changes yield modest results.

The WHI diet is reminiscent of the dietary changes advocated by the National Cholesterol Education Program, a dietary shift that reduces fat to no more than 30 percent of calories, with less than 7 percent of calories from saturated fat and less than 200 milligrams of cholesterol per day. White meat is favored over red meat, but the diet includes as much as six ounces of meat per day. This diet has been shown to reduce LDL cholesterol concentrations by only about 5 percent.[4]

Diets that go further achieve far better results. Studies with vegetarian diets have shown LDL reductions of approximately 15 to 20 percent.[5],[6]

Moreover, the WHI diet yielded poor compliance. While the low-fat group was to have a total fat intake of 20 percent of calories, the group averaged 24 percent after the first year and 29 percent by the study’s end. For comparison, the average American consumes about 33 percent of calories from fat (NHANES III, 2000); little difference from the WHI intervention.



In comparison, Dr. Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn's plant-based/vegan diets-- which are the only diets proven to reverse heart disease-- were about 9% to 12% fat from whole plant foods (with the exception of DHA supplement for Ornish). And while this low of a percentage seems to have extra benefits for those with advanced heart disease, I don't think there is a reason for the rest of the population to go that low. 12% to 15% is about where people should be to have the maximum absorption of fat soluble vitamins. And if it's fat from whole plant foods, even a significantly higher intake shouldn't matter (unless it was to be exclusively from omega 6-rich nuts and seeds). Otherwise, the best studies done on whole nuts and seeds consistently show that they're heart-healthy foods.

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 02/11/2016 03:43

Loco   Canada. Nov 02 2016 03:28. Posts 20963


 
It's vegan day! I'll be having sheeps head.



Thanks, I'm in good company. Your meal is quite sad and I can imagine the loneliness that someone who eats this way must feel on a regular basis.

It reminded me of a passage from Book 2 of Plato's The Republic:

Socrates: Would this habit of eating animals not require that we slaughter animals that we knew as individuals, and in whose eyes we could gaze and see ourselves reflected, only a few hours before our meal?

Glaucon: This habit would require that of us.

Socrates: Wouldn't this [knowledge of our role in turning a being into a thing] hinder us in achieving happiness?

Glaucon: It could so hinder us in our quest for happiness.

Socrates: And, if we pursue this way of living, will we not have need to visit the doctor more often?

Glaucon: We would have such need.

Socrates: If we pursue our habit of eating animals, and if our neighbor follows a similar path, will we not have need to go to war against our neighbor to secure greater pasturage, because ours will not be enough to sustain us, and our neighbor will have a similar need to wage war on us for the same reason?

Glaucon: We would be so compelled.

Socrates: Would not these facts prevent us from achieving happiness, and therefore the conditions necessary to the building of a just society, if we pursue a desire to eat animals?

Glaucon: Yes, they would so prevent us.

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Also relevant are these from Seneca, the Stoic Philosopher:


"How long shall we fill our plains with huge cities? How long shall the people slave for us unnecessarily? How long shall countless numbers of ships from every sea bring us provisions for the consumption of a single mouth? An ox is satisfied with the pasture of an acre or two; one wood suffices for several elephants. Man alone supports himself by the pillage of the whole earth and sea. What! Has Nature indeed given us so insatiable a stomach, while she has given us such insignificant bodies? No, it is not the hunger of our stomachs, but insatiable covetousness which costs so much." Epistola, 1x



"In the simpler times there was no need of so large a supernumerary force of medical men, nor of so many surgical instruments or of so many boxes of drugs. Health was simple for a simple reason. Many dishes have induced many diseases. Note how vast a quantity of lives one stomach absorbs ... Insatiable, unfathomable, gluttony searches every land and every sea. Some animals it persecutes with snares and traps, with hunting nets, with hooks, sparing no sort of toil to obtain them . . . There is no peace allowed to any species of being . . . No wonder that with so discordant diet disease is ever varying. . . Count the cooks you will no longer wonder at the innumerable number of human maladies." Epistola, xcv



"If these maxims are true, the Pythagorean principles as to abstaining from flesh foster innocence; if ill-founded they at least teach us frugality, and what loss have you in losing your cruelty? I merely deprive you of the food of lions and vultures ... We shall recover our sound reason only if we shall separate ourselves from the herd - the very fact of the approbation of the multitude is a proof of the unsoundness of the opinion or practice. Let us ask what is best, not what is customary. Let us love temperance - let us be just - let us refrain from bloodshed. None is so near the gods as he who shows kindness." Epistola, cvii

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 02/11/2016 03:56

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Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 23 2016 16:00. Posts 1841

Enough with the veganism in with the bro science, bro science will forever be superior to new age feminist veganism.

Rear naked woke 

Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 26 2016 15:19. Posts 1841

Yea you see the bro science is too strong no response


Rear naked wokeLast edit: 26/11/2016 17:59

cariadon   Estonia. Nov 26 2016 22:42. Posts 4019

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uiCk   Canada. Nov 26 2016 23:12. Posts 3521


  On November 26 2016 21:42 cariadon wrote:
https://www.holidayhole.com/


Am I supposed to laugh at a try hard viral marketing campaign who's purpose is to sell card game for Xmas?

I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson 

RiKD    United States. Nov 26 2016 23:17. Posts 8445

Testosterone replacement therapy. I don't think I qualify for it at the moment but would consider partaking. Actually, if I went to a doctor and had low test why not fire it up? I would not even care if it took years off my life if it worked.

Natural ways are articles on testosterone nation selling a bunch of supplements. Oh, and lift heavy weights, eat a bunch of meat, get sleep, BE A MAN! Oh, and there are hundreds of articles on how to be a man in the bro science image. Again, it starts with buying a bunch of supplements and lifting weights.

I am staying far away from any test shock program sold from some bro from his pool table that is for sure.


Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 27 2016 00:24. Posts 1841

This is helpful information it's amazing how little is known about it we are in a testosterone crisis right now. Don't be stupid you would be completely dependent on it and there are other bad side effects.

Rear naked wokeLast edit: 27/11/2016 00:25

jeremy5408   United States. Nov 27 2016 07:40. Posts 122


  On November 26 2016 22:17 RiKD wrote:
Testosterone replacement therapy. I don't think I qualify for it at the moment but would consider partaking. Actually, if I went to a doctor and had low test why not fire it up? I would not even care if it took years off my life if it worked.

Natural ways are articles on testosterone nation selling a bunch of supplements. Oh, and lift heavy weights, eat a bunch of meat, get sleep, BE A MAN! Oh, and there are hundreds of articles on how to be a man in the bro science image. Again, it starts with buying a bunch of supplements and lifting weights.

I am staying far away from any test shock program sold from some bro from his pool table that is for sure.



the range of "normal testosterone" is super wide and subjective. it is very easy to go to a doctor and get some testosterone


Loco   Canada. Nov 27 2016 13:43. Posts 20963

Testosterone Boosting Tips & Myths: https://youtu.be/FwouAc3JRmY?t=156
ED: https://youtu.be/4WRLbw-dXyk?t=85

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccountLast edit: 27/11/2016 13:58

Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 27 2016 14:05. Posts 1841

Both of those people look physically ill and nutritionfacts is extremely vegan biased. Ali even talked about the study showing high carb to be better for trained inviduals it doesn't mean that you can't have extremely nutrient dense high quality grass fed beef. There are studies showing all sorts of things. It doesn't mean that you can't have testosterone friendly vegan diet it is just a lot harder... especially if you train.

Rear naked wokeLast edit: 27/11/2016 14:10

RiKD    United States. Nov 28 2016 00:20. Posts 8445

The women on the left maybe passed as physically ill. I just thought she was really skinny. The guy on the right was just an absolute maniac walking on a treadmill spouting off all sorts of studies. What is not to like about that?

Bro science from my experience is not all that harmful most of the time. It can lead to addiction in gains and supplements. Most if not all supplements are a rip off to some extent. Bro science is a rip off. Articles to eat more cholesterol to raise testosterone and buy supplements. Articles to go on some routine that is usually aided by steroids but no, you can do it with enough supplements. Articles to train 2 times a day to sell more supplements. Articles to go on complete supplement diets for months. It is pseudo-science to sell supplements. It would be like trusting a study on chicken done by Tyson.


Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 28 2016 08:17. Posts 1841

Look up the studies yourself if you are so skeptical. I will try ashwaghanda etc. this is not something they have monopoly on the supplements, herbs etc. are varied and most of them are obscure or simply unpopular minerals like boron. Two popular and well known one's like saw palmetto and fenugreek increase your testosterone but do it by blocking DHT so in the long run extremely bad.

Whatever I feel like I am casting pearls to swine go wallow in your estrogen you didn't watch anything I posted.

Rear naked wokeLast edit: 28/11/2016 08:20

Mortensen8   Chad. Nov 28 2016 09:07. Posts 1841

You are right that if you just go and grab any t-booster you will get something that is probably harmful to you. The whole industry is a scam. For some reason they focus on protein... you don't need that much protein in fact too much protein in the diet is linked to lower t levels. The only products worth a damn that are promoted are pure creatine monohydrate and carnitin, arganine.

The majority of your work should be in optimal training (not overtraining) doing exercises that use your whole body, good sleep, right diet etc. The supplements are just to help you.
You can even just try this skip breakfast and have coffee instead while fasted train, the coffee offsets any negative effects associated with training in the morning. After training have a shot of tequila. This is the real fruit of bro science awesome living instead of force feeding yourself 500% rda fiber in your diet and being miserable only eating oats being either vegan, low carb, low fat etc. Instead I found that my instincts are spot on and I'm eating what I like.

Rear naked wokeLast edit: 28/11/2016 09:18

Loco   Canada. Nov 28 2016 13:22. Posts 20963


  On November 27 2016 13:05 Mortensen8 wrote:
Both of those people look physically ill and nutritionfacts is extremely vegan biased. Ali even talked about the study showing high carb to be better for trained inviduals it doesn't mean that you can't have extremely nutrient dense high quality grass fed beef. There are studies showing all sorts of things. It doesn't mean that you can't have testosterone friendly vegan diet it is just a lot harder... especially if you train.



You've grown up with the internet and you've been engaging in this for so many years, and you still don't know what a logical fallacy is. It amazes me. Tell us, are you learning disabled? There is a lot of content that you can directly debunk from those videos, and yet the best thing you can do is ad hom people based on their appearances. Then you rely on logical fallacy #2, the appeal to motive. There's always a hidden agenda with you, it's all one big conspiracy from these bleeding heart vegans when your poor knowledge of nutrition is challenged. They're giving people information and they aren't selling anything, so it must be conspiratorial. You have it all backwards, promoting some bullshit supplement store's content on this very page. You don't realize how bad all of this makes you look, obviously.

Dr. Greger's been constantly touring around the world for many years, sometimes doing public speaking events twice a day. He's uploaded god knows how many hundreds of hours of content (for free) while walking 17+ miles a day every day working on his treadmill. He's also produced an extremely well reviewed NY Times best seller and also narrated it himself on Audible. All the while working as a family physician. How many people are that productive? No one in his right mind would think that such a person is sick; you're not that productive when you're sick. But, eh, I understand that for someone with no integrity, it's easier to shit on someone because they have inherited a gene that gives them male pattern baldness instead of focusing on what they actually do and can control in their lives.

As for the girl (who is pretty irrelevant to the info shared), she also doesn't look sick even remotely, unless you consider being fit with a low BF% makes you look sick.




As for your comment on the difficulty of having healthy testosterone levels as a vegan, again, you don't back this up (because you can't). It's just more of the wishful thinking we've all come to expect from you. I know that posting actual science for you is pointless, since you'll ignore it and just assume this was funded by evil biased vegans (instead of bothering to find out), but I'll post it for the others here:


  This study is the largest to date to investigate differences in serum
hormone concentrations between meat-eaters, vegetarians and
vegans.

Summary
Mean serum insulin-like growth factor-I was 9% lower in 233 vegan men than in 226 meat-eaters and 237 vegetarians (P= 0.002).
Vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters, but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin, and there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone.

...

The results did not support the hypothesis that meat-eaters have
higher levels of bioavailable androgens than non meat-eaters. No
differences in hormone levels were found between meat-eaters and
lacto-ovo-vegetarians, suggesting that vegetarian diets may not
alter prostate cancer risk, but the relatively low IGF-I levels in
vegans might reduce their risk of prostate cancer.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

As for your unsustainable grass fed beef (a gimmick), here it is in all its greatness: a paltry 20 score in nutrient density. This doesn't even take into account its lack of hormetic compounds and antioxidants which is a huge factor. It's also pretty pathetic considering how expensive it is when compared to beans. Beef's also a class 2 carcinogen, whether it's grass fed or not, while beans reduce cancer risk instead of increasing it.








It's closer to $7/p for grass-fed, with hardly any relevant nutritional benefits except for a better omega 3 to 6 ratio. But grassfeed beef is also higher in trans fat and saturated fat than grain-fed. Not so great, is it?

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