all right, lets discuss another topic and one that you will like.
What do you people think about having children in general?
I think the morality on it is very questionable, bringing a life to a world where suffering is abundant, casting him to a vampiric existance that can only sustain its existence by causing pain and taking life, and while I am not absolutely set on the pessimistic philosophical reasons of anti-natalism, overpopulation is currently humanity's biggest problem and having another chlid is a burden on an already withering ecosystem, it is the biggest sin in ecology and the ultimate act of egoism.
Another good reason for not reproducing is that apparently it is incredibly unsatisfying and causes misery to the couple and decreases happiness according to many studies (if someone want them I can look them up I guess), turns out it was just another silly biological trick that parents are unable to judge objectively because of love.
And the last reason why its a terrible idea is because children fucking suck, they are obnoxious, loud, dirty and stupid.
Hm... I made a post and when I clicked 'reply' it just disappeared. Strange. I was basically saying that there's not much for me to discuss when I agree on all points. Even if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I'd struggle to find any decent argument against antinatalism. I think you have to have a "Might makes right" type of philosophy in order to justify it.
Yes, on the psychological side, people are bad at knowing what will bring them satisfaction in the long term, and people can't learn from other people's mistakes, so they just repeat them. As a species we're irrational animals who can't help deluding ourselves, and that's the main point philosophical pessimists make.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Oh yea ban me for trying to fix the chronic levels of low testosterone in nu-males like yourself. The only objectively real goal of your life is to propogate your genes if you don't then you fail at evolution. Your selfish nihilistic reasons are pathetic and children are funny and adorable. Cat women who don't have kids become miserable because their life becomes pointless for men it is easier but having kids will give you a purpose in life.
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brambolius Netherlands. Nov 30 2016 18:50. Posts 1708
On November 30 2016 03:06 Baalim wrote:
all right, lets discuss another topic and one that you will like.
What do you people think about having children in general?
I think the morality on it is very questionable, bringing a life to a world where suffering is abundant, casting him to a vampiric existance that can only sustain its existence by causing pain and taking life, and while I am not absolutely set on the pessimistic philosophical reasons of anti-natalism, overpopulation is currently humanity's biggest problem and having another chlid is a burden on an already withering ecosystem, it is the biggest sin in ecology and the ultimate act of egoism.
Another good reason for not reproducing is that apparently it is incredibly unsatisfying and causes misery to the couple and decreases happiness according to many studies (if someone want them I can look them up I guess), turns out it was just another silly biological trick that parents are unable to judge objectively because of love.
And the last reason why its a terrible idea is because children fucking suck, they are obnoxious, loud, dirty and stupid.
Actually kids are great, and there hypothetically wouldn't be a problem if no person was responsible for more then 1 of them being born, and a couple responsible for more then 2 (orgy when the population dips too low obv. ).
Bringing kids into the current state of affairs raises moral questions, sure, but in the end kids are a way of influencing our future. Do you want a future fostered by people who don't think about these things ?
People who view having kids as a bad thing should be the ones having them.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Nov 30 2016 19:23. Posts 3093
kids are awesome and I want at least one, prolly two. I'd adopt, but I really think my genes are so exceptional that I have a duty to procreate.
On November 30 2016 14:22 Loco wrote:
There's quite a few more good reasons too. I read this book a while ago from a French author listing 40 reasons. Some are pretty funny.
On November 30 2016 14:22 Loco wrote:
There's quite a few more good reasons too. I read this book a while ago from a French author listing 40 reasons. Some are pretty funny.
people are bad at knowing what will bring them satisfaction in the long term, and people can't learn from other people's mistakes, so they just repeat them.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On November 30 2016 03:06 Baalim wrote:
all right, lets discuss another topic and one that you will like.
What do you people think about having children in general?
I think the morality on it is very questionable, bringing a life to a world where suffering is abundant, casting him to a vampiric existance that can only sustain its existence by causing pain and taking life, and while I am not absolutely set on the pessimistic philosophical reasons of anti-natalism, overpopulation is currently humanity's biggest problem and having another chlid is a burden on an already withering ecosystem, it is the biggest sin in ecology and the ultimate act of egoism.
Another good reason for not reproducing is that apparently it is incredibly unsatisfying and causes misery to the couple and decreases happiness according to many studies (if someone want them I can look them up I guess), turns out it was just another silly biological trick that parents are unable to judge objectively because of love.
And the last reason why its a terrible idea is because children fucking suck, they are obnoxious, loud, dirty and stupid.
Actually kids are great, and there hypothetically wouldn't be a problem if no person was responsible for more then 1 of them being born, and a couple responsible for more then 2 (orgy when the population dips too low obv. ).
Bringing kids into the current state of affairs raises moral questions, sure, but in the end kids are a way of influencing our future. Do you want a future fostered by people who don't think about these things ?
People who view having kids as a bad thing should be the ones having them.
Lol, there is hypothetically no problem with rolling dices and creating a biological experiment that can go completely wrong. Good one. I guess in your world the parents of a serial killer did the responsible thing by having an only child.
Actually I think the last part is my favourite. I've heard that argument a lot. It seems to make sense on the surface, but it really doesn't upon examination.
1) There is no reason to believe they are going to be better equipped to handle parenthood just because they think and are prudent. The only thing this says is just how precarious it is for kids when the standards are so unbelievably low that a person who thinks about the consequences of having kids should be having them.
2) It's an illusion to think that a better person will have more control over how the kid turns out and what happens to him/her.
3) Just because someone would be better at doing it doesn't suddenly make it right. It's just less bad. Adoption in an overpopulated, collapsing world where there are so many unwanted kids is the only ethical way to have children.
It's just bullshit rationalizations. If you really want kids it's because you believe your life would be empty and meaningless without them. If you really want biological kids it's because you fear the future and your eventual demise and you're under the delusion that you'll somehow continue to live on through your progeny. I have more respect for people who embrace their narcissism like Drone than people who come up with these rationalizations.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Laws on limiting kids are likely out. Fucking christians and their bullshit. Fucking USA. I saw a stat that an openly athiest candidate has never been elected to congress or (obviously) president. Let's just fucking make laws and abort babies that are not following the laws. We will torture and murder sentient cows that are fucking shit up to feed people's stupid manufactured desires... I can not finish that sentence because I do no know the science with babies at differing stages of pregnancies BUT I CAN SAY FUCK IT TIME TO JUST FUCKING KILL MOST BABIES AND COWS AND START EATING BLACK BEANS AND POTATOES AND THE LIKE.
On November 30 2016 03:06 Baalim wrote:
all right, lets discuss another topic and one that you will like.
What do you people think about having children in general?
I think the morality on it is very questionable, bringing a life to a world where suffering is abundant, casting him to a vampiric existance that can only sustain its existence by causing pain and taking life, and while I am not absolutely set on the pessimistic philosophical reasons of anti-natalism, overpopulation is currently humanity's biggest problem and having another chlid is a burden on an already withering ecosystem, it is the biggest sin in ecology and the ultimate act of egoism.
Another good reason for not reproducing is that apparently it is incredibly unsatisfying and causes misery to the couple and decreases happiness according to many studies (if someone want them I can look them up I guess), turns out it was just another silly biological trick that parents are unable to judge objectively because of love.
And the last reason why its a terrible idea is because children fucking suck, they are obnoxious, loud, dirty and stupid.
Actually kids are great, and there hypothetically wouldn't be a problem if no person was responsible for more then 1 of them being born, and a couple responsible for more then 2 (orgy when the population dips too low obv. ).
Bringing kids into the current state of affairs raises moral questions, sure, but in the end kids are a way of influencing our future. Do you want a future fostered by people who don't think about these things ?
People who view having kids as a bad thing should be the ones having them.
Its contradictory to have kids because there should be more people who think that having kids is wrong.
And even if having kids was your best way to influence the future that is nothing but a pathetic excuse to have relevance in the future its not an actual effort for a change, that is a delusion
On November 30 2016 18:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:
kids are awesome and I want at least one, prolly two. I'd adopt, but I really think my genes are so exceptional that I have a duty to procreate.
On November 30 2016 17:03 Mortensen8 wrote:
The only objectively real goal of your life is to propogate your genes if you don't then you fail at evolution. Your selfish nihilistic reasons are pathetic and children are funny and adorable. Cat women who don't have kids become miserable because their life becomes pointless for men it is easier but having kids will give you a purpose in life.
nobody took the bait of this idiotic post but I love to argue so Ill reply.
Yeah if you fail to reproduce you fail at evolution, also you fail at evolution if you allow people with disabilities to reproduce, so lets club some of them right?
your notion of "cat women" refers to somebody who ended up by that not by choice, but I dont think I need to state that is idiotic to assume everybody who makes that choice is miserable, I dont doubt some are, and so are people with children.
No nature will take care of that in the end. Just like it will take care of unsustainable populations being artificially inflated. Don't tell me we have to start not having children what about retarded charities keeping entire countries on life support. Poor countries like Ukraine only have 1.5 while Niger has 7.5 you can't blame poverty (pretty retarded reason to have kids anyway). Why is India still growing is 1 billion not enough? You complain about them! We get lectured about overpopulation while sitting at extinction level birthrates we also hilariously enough are told to take immigrants to fix underpopulation but not Ukrainian immigrants despite poverty and war.
The cat women were brainwashed into believing that a career is the goal in life once they hit 40 they realize their mistake. The people who are miserable and have children are probably selfish childish pleasure seekers who can't sacrifice their own hedonism for even their own genetic line.
On December 01 2016 10:33 Mortensen8 wrote:
No nature will take care of that in the end. Just like it will take care of unsustainable populations being artificially inflated. Don't tell me we have to start not having children what about retarded charities keeping entire countries on life support. Poor countries like Ukraine only have 1.5 while Niger has 7.5 you can't blame poverty (pretty retarded reason to have kids anyway). Why is India still growing is 1 billion not enough? You complain about them! We get lectured about overpopulation while sitting at extinction level birthrates we also hilariously enough are told to take immigrants to fix underpopulation but not Ukrainian immigrants despite poverty and war.
The cat women were brainwashed into believing that a career is the goal in life once they hit 40 they realize their mistake. The people who are miserable and have children are probably selfish childish pleasure seekers who can't sacrifice their own hedonism for even their own genetic line.
charities keeping poor countries on life support contribute to the minimization of human suffering, the same goal that not reproducing has.
I dont get what India has to do with anything? so because ignorant poor people in a different culture reproduce like rabbits that somehow makes you reproducing better? the good old "they are also doing it so I will too".
Extinction level birthrates? there isnt a single country with anything agove 1% of population decrease, so please back up that ridiculous claim, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline).
Your generalization of "cat woman" is obviously ridiculous, a poorly constructed personal assessment that contradicts actual data and worse of all apparently the ultimate goal in life according to you is your genetic lineage, so unless Im curious how many children do you have? because I have a feeling you are currently failing at life by your own standards and that people in India with 8 kids should be your goal.
Charities will ultimately cause more suffering since they are artificially increasing populations beyond their naturally occuring level if anything happens to the western economy these countries will decrease in population through starvation etc.
I don't agree with keeping human suffering to a minimum nature and evolution has to be left to do its thing surely.
Anything below 2.2 is not replacement levels. The average European birthrate is 1.6 and much lower in some countries if it continues then that is 'extinction level'. Those countries are people living longer and the old immigration which is never discussed as an environmental question because it doesn't fit their narrative.
I used India as an example of an overpopulated country but maybe a bad example their birth rates are declining and currently at 2.5 (still positive though which is absure given their overpopulation). If current trends continue Africa will have an increase of 1,5 billion in 50 years, Asia 1 billion, Europe will decrease by 6 million and eventually in 100 years by 200 million. Latin America will increase too.
I have no kids and I never said anything about having 8 kids. African women are the most fertile and their men have the highest testosterone levels. They also double ovulate the most out of all the races along with having twins the most. This is a reoccuring theme which goes like this Africans/Whites/Asians. In nature some animals survival strategy is to have many offspring without taking much care of them while others have few and care for them much more.
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