the Devs are fucking morons, the meta is so aggro that 90% of legendaries are simply unusable, whats the point of keep releasing cards of 8 and 9 mana if you are dead by turn 6
A special kind of retard thought that the card Hunters needed was Quick Shot... as if facehunter wasnt already a plague... for fucks sake Construted is crap until they release a set of cards that absolutely obliterates mindless rush decks
In order to counter more effectively the rush decks they need to introduce new cards (low cost healing minions; battlecry: hero immune, disable other hero power etc...). I don't see any good cards in the current expansion for that.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Apr 16 2015 10:51. Posts 4080
On April 16 2015 04:59 Baalim wrote:
the Devs are fucking morons, the meta is so aggro that 90% of legendaries are simply unusable, whats the point of keep releasing cards of 8 and 9 mana if you are dead by turn 6
A special kind of retard thought that the card Hunters needed was Quick Shot... as if facehunter wasnt already a plague... for fucks sake Construted is crap until they release a set of cards that absolutely obliterates mindless rush decks
agreed completely. but i think warlock aggro is way worse than hunter is. ive toyed around stuffing my deck with kezan and harry jones which allowed me to beat the piss out of hunter but now im seeing aggro warlock more than hunter so i have to cater to that as well.
if i take out kezan i auto lose to hunter and mage. if i keep kezan ill win most of the time vs them but i am pretty much a losing player vs every1 else including all forms of warlock
i refuse to use hunter or aggrolock cuz its for dumbfukk jopke kids. i prefer priest b/c its more honorable
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On April 16 2015 04:59 Baalim wrote:
the Devs are fucking morons, the meta is so aggro that 90% of legendaries are simply unusable, whats the point of keep releasing cards of 8 and 9 mana if you are dead by turn 6
A special kind of retard thought that the card Hunters needed was Quick Shot... as if facehunter wasnt already a plague... for fucks sake Construted is crap until they release a set of cards that absolutely obliterates mindless rush decks
Spot on. Rapoza too.
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Why are not people playing unstable ghoul against these warlock / hunter rush trends ? Seems to own them a lot imo and dcent vs other races too except warrior i guess
On April 16 2015 20:38 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Why are not people playing unstable ghoul against these warlock / hunter rush trends ? Seems to own them a lot imo and dcent vs other races too except warrior i guess
because it doesnt do much, it gets easily killed in one turn and you still recieve damage, its not like facehunter populates the board with 1 health minions and its a terrible card against anything else (unless you are Warrior)
Healbot doesnt help either, in turn 5 you should be very close to dying and all it does is stalling one turn, you will lose those 8 dmg points on opponents turn and you are in the same situation in turn 6.
Healbot should be like a 2/6 Taunt now that would put a dent in aggro decks but as someone said earlier the problem is not Hunter, is the general Aggro meta, mech Mage, Mech Shaman, zoo etc are decks that are boring to play against, require no skill and all they do is try to kill you before you get anything going, these "cheese" decks shouldnt perform as well as it does.
It seems to me that the devs are either stupid or thats simply what they want, why would they give quickshot to hunter? why would they give blast mage to Mage? what about Piloted Shredder and all that fucking crap... they are simply taking a shit in control decks and the only playable legendary is Dr fucking Boom... that is also an aggro legendary ffs.
a good solution might be to increase hero life to 45
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RaiNKhAN United States. Apr 17 2015 04:36. Posts 4080
yea i thought about these things too. it would seem ideal from a business perspective to push for quicker games requiring less thinking so more people would try out hearthstone. if youre playing on a tablet or cellphone then ud prefer to play matchups/games that require v little thinking as you will most likely be multi tasking between work/school/whatever
i wouldnt be shocked if this is why they buffed all the aggro classes
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On April 18 2015 11:16 Defrag wrote:
HearthStone is now available at Iphones and Android.
Holy fuck, dunno for Android, but for IOS this is probably the best port of the game I ever saw. Everything is perfect to play.
It's pretty well done, slightly laggy to load up on my phone but gameplay is fine and overall very tolerable. The latest wing of bosses in blackrock mountain were pretty annoying on HC mode, total RNG fests. I wish they would find a way to make HC challenging other than just making it so harshly dependant on what you draw early + computer opponents RNG early draws. p.s. where are the weapons?
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On April 17 2015 06:55 Rapoza wrote:
Yeah Ball, i respect your opinion but increase life to 45 then meta will shift into draw-your-deck + Alextrasza [insert combo]
Take Alex out as well and what we get is another bullshit meta with decks like: Fatigue mage / mill druid-rogue / Triple KT shaman / Legendary Warrior Army with 2 brawls
I predict meta would be more boring with extremely one sided games that last far longer.
Blizzard already defined they want a fast peace game trough Loatheb.
Loatheb is a very OP minion that was released as an answer to keep miracle rogue in check. Nowdays, it serves agro decks one more turn to deny AOE spells. This card can completely destroys control decks and lock in games by itself when played right but is completely garbage against agro. Thats not fair.
Emperor Thaurissan is a card i was hyped about. It helps control decks against agro matchups. I was never that wrong... it also has a huge downside: It makes control matchups extremely dull, since the guy who plays this card first, usually gets a big advantage, and more often then not, wins.
Hearthstone matches in general are becoming less and less skill related. I can resume most matchups in these 3 lines:
- Agro vs Agro: The one with a better tempo/curve wins.
- Control vs Agro: Draw Aoe/removal in time, stabilize with taunters/heal and win. Or lose trying.
- Control vs Control: Play Emperor Thaurissan first.
Then make it 40 its just finding a sweet spot where you dont simply pander to face decks its not hard, there are MANY ways to stop them but the devs simply wont do it.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Apr 28 2015 08:41. Posts 4080
the game needs this durr durr face decks in order to promote the game to every1 and make more money
this has been a plague in the gaming community since sc2 being one of the first super-dumbed-down games
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One thing they could do is to make more spells only able to target minions, especially from hunters e.g. kill command, quickshot as it's just more face damage. I wonder what hunters would look like if their hero power was instead, take 1 damage, deal 2 to the opponent ? I mean, hunters are pretty retarded, it's not all that hard to picture a few shots to their own face.
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On April 28 2015 07:41 RaiNKhAN wrote:
the game needs this durr durr face decks in order to promote the game to every1 and make more money
this has been a plague in the gaming community since sc2 being one of the first super-dumbed-down games
Yep words cannot describe how much i hate going from lurker to baneling and vulture to hellion. Brood war so much better in every way except graphics i guess.
On April 28 2015 07:41 RaiNKhAN wrote:
the game needs this durr durr face decks in order to promote the game to every1 and make more money
this has been a plague in the gaming community since sc2 being one of the first super-dumbed-down games
Yep words cannot describe how much i hate going from lurker to baneling and vulture to hellion. Brood war so much better in every way except graphics i guess.
Sry for derail this this topic but i got a noob SC2 question:
I watched some games... its just me or every single game looks the same?
TvZ... matches always opens into reaper harass, speedlings, helions, muta, window mine, banelings then game ends around M/M/M vs bane/ling/muta? It looks boring as fuck. Isnt mech viable outside TvT?
Trust me, it's the same shit for every matchup be it sc1 or sc2.
And to the previous response : Come on man... Only graphics ? You know what ? That's like comparing FF7 and FF8. I was in the same situation with most of the fans saying that FF8 was way dumber than the other one until I played one more time and tried my best to be objective. And you know what ? FF8 was pretty much better on every aspect except maybe the story and the easy abusive combat's system.
I just can't get myself to play brood war anymore since sc2 is better in every aspect. I stopped playing on both because the protoss bullshit is really getting on my nerves and I'm not going anywhere (18 times Master).
Only downside was the fucking Swarm host. I do believe it's a plague. Thankfully they got nerfed to hell but the protoss bullshit is still here.
The lurkers are coming back in LotV but it's a little too late for me. I'm not interested in this game anymore. And if you want to play the Beta, all you have to do is get Diamond at worst in HotS.
Shin-il : Yeah it was very very very good for me too. Rekrul : YOU MOTHER FUCKING FUCKING SON OF A BITCH
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casinocasino Canada. Jun 12 2015 22:05. Posts 3343
Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers.
On June 12 2015 04:40 Rapoza wrote:
I have 2 problems with FF8: Enemies also gets stronger when you level up and magic system is utterly retarded. FF8 CGs are pretty nice thou.
Also, Sephirot and Cloud/Vincent are way more interesting characters then Squall/Seifer.
^this, the FF8 story really sucked, emo characters/love story/ballads and an uninteresting final boss compared to terrorist organization vs Shinra and then Sephiroth vs Cloud in FF7; also, materia kicked ass
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On June 12 2015 21:05 casinocasino wrote:
Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers.
Yep. Also they nerfed other things like vulture to hellion, goliath to nothing, super strong Science vessel to useless Raven. You have to run around with marines vs collosus, thats not gonna work unless you are korean and practice it 24/7. Terran is much worse than in brood war, while Zerg and Protoss are buffed like crazy. I got a feeling something was very wrong with the game early on, because protoss players that were horrible in brood war no matter how many 1000's of games they played suddenly got "good" and well known in starcraft 2. Same happened to zerg players after Zerg got all they buffs.
Also I got bored very quickly with all the cheeses / baneling bust / collosus A-move ball. Its just a very dumbed down game compared to Brood war. The units in Brood war was much more interesting in itself too.
On June 12 2015 04:40 Rapoza wrote:
I have 2 problems with FF8: Enemies also gets stronger when you level up and magic system is utterly retarded. FF8 CGs are pretty nice thou.
Also, Sephirot and Cloud/Vincent are way more interesting characters then Squall/Seifer.
^this, the FF8 story really sucked, emo characters/love story/ballads and an uninteresting final boss compared to terrorist organization vs Shinra and then Sephiroth vs Cloud in FF7; also, materia kicked ass
however it was a massive leap in aesthetics from FF7
On June 12 2015 21:05 casinocasino wrote:
Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers.
Yep. Also they nerfed other things like vulture to hellion, goliath to nothing, super strong Science vessel to useless Raven. You have to run around with marines vs collosus, thats not gonna work unless you are korean and practice it 24/7. Terran is much worse than in brood war, while Zerg and Protoss are buffed like crazy. I got a feeling something was very wrong with the game early on, because protoss players that were horrible in brood war no matter how many 1000's of games they played suddenly got "good" and well known in starcraft 2. Same happened to zerg players after Zerg got all they buffs.
Also I got bored very quickly with all the cheeses / baneling bust / collosus A-move ball. Its just a very dumbed down game compared to Brood war. The units in Brood war was much more interesting in itself too.
And Terran was already weak in Broodwar in amateur levels since it had by far the steeper learning curve and skill cap
Hehe, I think almost everything you guys are saying about Starcraft 2 is wrong!! Was avoiding, since I didn't want to come off as a douche or anything, but I'll try to be nice. And say how it really is.
Tanks are not broken, and they are heavily used, in all matchups except vs Protoss, some still do, but it's rare at the high level. I know in GM League in EU and US, some Terrans do it a lot, but it's rare. And in Tournaments, top koreans might pull it out once in awhile.
In TvT it's used in almost every game, in all sorts of ways, people who just go mech, make a ton of Them, also really popular to go Marine tank.
And all the Terran players who go Mech vs Zerg make a fuckton of Tanks, and it's also used vs Zerg who open to Heavily Roaches, a mix of bio tank, but this style not super common, but highly applicable.
Vs a lot of the early aggressions, all in from Zerg, some have go to default to make a tank or two to stop it in the early game, even when going Bio.
And A LOT of TvT opens 1,1,1 where they add in tanks early on, also a lot of tanks are rushed with different 1 base early aggression builds, where the idea is to rush Banshee, and delay them, then keep making Banshee, and move out with ur first 2-3 tanks, and get a close siege up, where your Banshee's snipe out their Tank.
"Useless Raven", They been so strong for so long in Late Game Zerg that they took a nerf last patch or the patch before. Also the end game army for late game TVT and ZVZ is a fuckton of Ravens. When you get a fleet up, they get so strong it's silly.
They are also rushed out early 1 of them in most TvT's, due to their utility (I do agree, they're a stupid unit, and nowhere close as cool as I remember the Science vessel being though xD).
You also NEVER have to run around with Marines vs Colossus, only low skilled people do that, and it just never happens, so not sure what that's about lol. Marauders are quite tanky vs lower amounts of colossus, they are also really immobile, so TErrans just don't engage, and run around, drop, or snipe when they are unguarded, or attack in big concaves with a ton of Marauders. When they start to pick up in Numbers, people making Vikings.
"Terran is much worse than in Brood war"
Also nonsense, at the moment Zerg is struggling the most, and have for awhile. Protoss is the race seen as poorest designed, people really mad they are so gimmick and cheesy, and people been complaining about that for a long time.
I haven't followed the scene that closely lately, but I think last GSL winner was a Terran as well.
And the baneling busts and cheeses you're talking about is extremely all in, when they happen early on, it's kinda like, you hold it, and you've won.
Can just learn a safe build, and you don't need to worry to much about that, and vs Colossus, just make proper units vs them and you'll do a lot better.
Vs Protoss cheese, there's unfortunately a lot of repetition and practice, and learning them all T_T
(But almost everyone copy the most popular one, it'll be proxy oracle, or some 2 base blink stalker all in, almost always, defend vs those, and you're pretty much set).
Any thoughts on the upcoming Tavern brawl? I reckon it'll be fun for a short while but all the insane minions will probably make it feel less "skilled", lol. Bit tired of HS myself, haven't played it in a long time, everytime I log on I think to myself "Why bother? Way better stuff to play if I want" then immediately log off. Like, I'd probably at least do the quests if they were to play any class so I could play one I wanted to but as it stands I hate grinding other classes I don't enjoy with the very few hours I even want to play it. Any counter arguement is a tad irritating, I want to play the game how I want to play it, without feeling forced to play or grind certain stuff and I don't think that's unreasonable. When I was playing more hardcore this wasn't so much of an issue as I played alot but my interest level is extremely low atm. That said, I've watched some HS streams on my phone here and there.
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hey guys is anyone of you actively playing HS kinda semi-competitively ?
I recently moved to the US (only for a limited time ~6 months research scholarship) so I cant play Poker right now and got more back into HS.
I played HS before casualy and watched alot of HS tournaments (since I like that the games do not last too long so its quite easy to play it casually). I never had enough cards to build a good deck and I didnt want to spend any money on this game. After BRM came out I finally got my first good deck working (Patron Warrior) and also a Mid-Range Huntr deck. Right now Iam climbing Ranks on EU (cur. Rank8).
Searching for ppl that play HS on a daily-basis and also climb ranks now (or play tours) that would like to discuss things about decks and stuff (like poker study grps).
Would rather like to get in touch with LP-hs members!
Just msg me if ur interested gettin in touch or add me bnet: Punix #2151
the skill cap in HS is so low, Iegend shouldnt be difficult for anybody with half a brain since you can copy decks and that is pretty much 90% of the work
On July 12 2015 11:33 Rapoza wrote:
Right now HS is into an "easy" to play mode and its not nearly as competitive like before Naxxaramas.
Games are faster and players are faced with fewer decisions(which means fewer and smaller mistakes); so luck ends up playing a huge role in the outcome of a match(around 80% imo).
You can add me if you want to discuss something: "Hellcopter #1307" - NA server.
But once you get how the mechanics works, there inst a lot left to discuss.
I agree with you, but 80% isn't that bad imo. This means 20% are determined by skills, which means you can achieve a 60% win rate, which is high in a card based game like this.
ye ofc there is a lot of card draw luck involved even more than in pkr but there is a skill component left and thats what it is all about. tweaking that up.
ofc everyone can get legen with just copying deck and playing a ton. thing is i dont have a ton of time to play and for me its not all about only hitting legend. i like to play around with my own decks, come up with ideas and think about edges that i can squeeze out (very similar to pkr). ofc u usually have to start with a deck that is very similar to the common ones bc there are just soo good but there are small things that u can tweak and that i like to try out.
It has nothing to do with varianza and card draws, that shouldnt affect winrate, the problem is the skill cap.
Heartstone has made the game very mindless, aggro decks are extremly powerful to the point that you see facehunters in almost every tournament by the best players and its a mindless strategy and it has gone downhill since naxramas, deathrattle that spawns more minions just fucked control decks, now board clears are useless there will always be some shredder, egg, creeper among other dynamics.
We have been discussing this since a long time, most legendaries are useless because of this etc
On July 13 2015 02:20 Baalim wrote:
It has nothing to do with varianza and card draws, that shouldnt affect winrate, the problem is the skill cap.
Heartstone has made the game very mindless, aggro decks are extremly powerful to the point that you see facehunters in almost every tournament by the best players and its a mindless strategy and it has gone downhill since naxramas, deathrattle that spawns more minions just fucked control decks, now board clears are useless there will always be some shredder, egg, creeper among other dynamics.
We have been discussing this since a long time, most legendaries are useless because of this etc
I think the skill ceiling is higher than you think.
Go watch a replay of someone like StrifeCo, and before each turn begins, try to think of how you would play the turn.
I almost guarentee you won't play everything exactly like him, especially if you watch him play one of his more complex decks (Not just face hunter).
Now, you might think your plays are almost as good as his. But actually, all those small variations can affect the outcome a decent % of the time.
StrifeCo actually did a 33 win streak before, when he was grade 10.
The thing is, those small edges gained by playing flawlessly, really looks like they don't matter compared with the luck factor of the cards. But in reality, it does matter in the long run, in a way similar to poker. Reaching legend by putting in volume is easy, but reaching #24 legend isn't that easy
i at least have a lot of situations with my patron warrior where i have so much ways of playing and would like to discuss with so what line he had chosen and why. iam often not sure if the way i played it was the best possible way.
On July 13 2015 02:20 Baalim wrote:
It has nothing to do with varianza and card draws, that shouldnt affect winrate, the problem is the skill cap.
Heartstone has made the game very mindless, aggro decks are extremly powerful to the point that you see facehunters in almost every tournament by the best players and its a mindless strategy and it has gone downhill since naxramas, deathrattle that spawns more minions just fucked control decks, now board clears are useless there will always be some shredder, egg, creeper among other dynamics.
We have been discussing this since a long time, most legendaries are useless because of this etc
I think the skill ceiling is higher than you think.
Go watch a replay of someone like StrifeCo, and before each turn begins, try to think of how you would play the turn.
I almost guarentee you won't play everything exactly like him, especially if you watch him play one of his more complex decks (Not just face hunter).
Now, you might think your plays are almost as good as his. But actually, all those small variations can affect the outcome a decent % of the time.
StrifeCo actually did a 33 win streak before, when he was grade 10.
The thing is, those small edges gained by playing flawlessly, really looks like they don't matter compared with the luck factor of the cards. But in reality, it does matter in the long run, in a way similar to poker. Reaching legend by putting in volume is easy, but reaching #24 legend isn't that easy
Im subscribed to Trump, StrifeCo and Amaz and its very rare that we dont make the same play even in the difficult decks like freezemage, lock or patron
On July 15 2015 00:58 punix wrote:
i at least have a lot of situations with my patron warrior where i have so much ways of playing and would like to discuss with so what line he had chosen and why. iam often not sure if the way i played it was the best possible way.
Patron is the most difficult deck to date to play, its still not very difficult, animations are a huge problem it leaves you only a couple of seconds to do arithmetic
On July 13 2015 02:20 Baalim wrote:
It has nothing to do with varianza and card draws, that shouldnt affect winrate, the problem is the skill cap.
Heartstone has made the game very mindless, aggro decks are extremly powerful to the point that you see facehunters in almost every tournament by the best players and its a mindless strategy and it has gone downhill since naxramas, deathrattle that spawns more minions just fucked control decks, now board clears are useless there will always be some shredder, egg, creeper among other dynamics.
We have been discussing this since a long time, most legendaries are useless because of this etc
I think the skill ceiling is higher than you think.
Go watch a replay of someone like StrifeCo, and before each turn begins, try to think of how you would play the turn.
I almost guarentee you won't play everything exactly like him, especially if you watch him play one of his more complex decks (Not just face hunter).
Now, you might think your plays are almost as good as his. But actually, all those small variations can affect the outcome a decent % of the time.
StrifeCo actually did a 33 win streak before, when he was grade 10.
The thing is, those small edges gained by playing flawlessly, really looks like they don't matter compared with the luck factor of the cards. But in reality, it does matter in the long run, in a way similar to poker. Reaching legend by putting in volume is easy, but reaching #24 legend isn't that easy
Im subscribed to Trump, StrifeCo and Amaz and its very rare that we dont make the same play even in the difficult decks like freezemage, lock or patron
what do you mean by very rare? like once in 10 games? If this is true, then you are right, but i'm surprised by this. I personally often see 2 plays which seems viable to me.
On July 13 2015 02:20 Baalim wrote:
It has nothing to do with varianza and card draws, that shouldnt affect winrate, the problem is the skill cap.
Heartstone has made the game very mindless, aggro decks are extremly powerful to the point that you see facehunters in almost every tournament by the best players and its a mindless strategy and it has gone downhill since naxramas, deathrattle that spawns more minions just fucked control decks, now board clears are useless there will always be some shredder, egg, creeper among other dynamics.
We have been discussing this since a long time, most legendaries are useless because of this etc
I think the skill ceiling is higher than you think.
Go watch a replay of someone like StrifeCo, and before each turn begins, try to think of how you would play the turn.
I almost guarentee you won't play everything exactly like him, especially if you watch him play one of his more complex decks (Not just face hunter).
Now, you might think your plays are almost as good as his. But actually, all those small variations can affect the outcome a decent % of the time.
StrifeCo actually did a 33 win streak before, when he was grade 10.
The thing is, those small edges gained by playing flawlessly, really looks like they don't matter compared with the luck factor of the cards. But in reality, it does matter in the long run, in a way similar to poker. Reaching legend by putting in volume is easy, but reaching #24 legend isn't that easy
Im subscribed to Trump, StrifeCo and Amaz and its very rare that we dont make the same play even in the difficult decks like freezemage, lock or patron
what do you mean by very rare? like once in 10 games? If this is true, then you are right, but i'm surprised by this. I personally often see 2 plays which seems viable to me.
Hard to say for sure how often but its rare, Deck building and maybe even Mulliganing seems actually harder to figure out than playing
Just started playing yesterday. How pay2win is the game actually? Like can I grind out the cards or are there lots of cards you have to buy? Is it even worth the time to grind out packs?
Spicy United States. Jul 18 2015 12:34. Posts 1027
I'd say it's pay 2 get full experience than it is pay 2 win. It's possible to achieve legend rank without spending any money on the game, and my personal experience is proof of that. I started playing last September and made legend my first season by playing budget warlock zoo. I also made legend on EU server with oil rogue without spending any money.
If you just do the daily quests and now with the free packs from weekly brawls, there are plenty of high level budget decks you use to carry yourself to legend given that you have the skills, First figure out if you enjoy the game and want to take it seriously. If you want to try to break into the tournament scene, then you can consider spending some money to be able to play a greater variety of decks with varying tech choices.
An another topic, Hearthstone is a game of massive RNG but most people overestimate their own skill and blame RNG too much. As Floofy mentioned, the skill ceiling is a lot higher than most people realize. There's a huge difference in skill between those who can hit legend 1-3 days into the season and those who take 1 week+. There's a huge difference in skill between those with multiple top 100 legend finishes in consecutive months and those who never scratch it. Top streamers like Amaz and Trump don't even come close to being the best ladderers. Their content is useful to newer players but there's a whole new level of thought once you're a consistent legend player trying to maximize every situation and optimize your winrate. To be fair to them though, their focus is on building their streaming business and monetizing their brand while reaching the widest possible audience rather than staying on top of the extremely dynamic legend ladder meta
Jesus. Maybe played 20 casual games. Using mostly my Hunter deck. I think it's about the best deck I can get right now, since I don't have many cards. Pretty much everyone I face has bought packs, and has a much stronger deck then myself. Pretty discouraging haha.
2x Hunter's Mark
2x Arcane Shot
1x Tracking
2x Animal Companion
2x Kill Command
2x Multi-Shot
2x Houndmaster
1x Stonetusk Boar
1x Acidic Swamp Ooze
2x Bloodfen Raptor
2x River Crocolisk
2x Ironfur Grizzly
1x Razorfen Hunter
1x Shattered Sun Cleric
1x Chillwind Yeti
1x Oasis Snapjaw
2x Frostwolf Warlord
2x Boulderfist Ogre
1x Stormwind Champion
there are some pretty good budget decks on hearthpwn.com. so just check that stuff out and try to build decks similar to these as far as you have some cards.
I never paid any cent for HS and I got quite some competitive decks but that took a loooong time. And if you have to catch up through all expansions and stuff then it definitely seems like it is super pay2win but you can be completely fine without paying any cent but you just can not expect to run any decent deck for next 6 months or so.
I was basically just playing Zoolock-typisch decks or aggro hunter decks as they were cheap and simple and just did daily quests and arenas. As soon as they revelead Info on expansions I just saved up all the gold for these xpansions w/o playing any arena anymore. That all worked out well for me but if i would imagine starting from scratch again. uuuh that would seem like such a stony and long road.
On July 19 2015 02:40 Trav94 wrote:
Jesus. Maybe played 20 casual games. Using mostly my Hunter deck. I think it's about the best deck I can get right now, since I don't have many cards. Pretty much everyone I face has bought packs, and has a much stronger deck then myself. Pretty discouraging haha.
2x Hunter's Mark
2x Arcane Shot
1x Tracking
2x Animal Companion
2x Kill Command
2x Multi-Shot
2x Houndmaster
1x Stonetusk Boar
1x Acidic Swamp Ooze
2x Bloodfen Raptor
2x River Crocolisk
2x Ironfur Grizzly
1x Razorfen Hunter
1x Shattered Sun Cleric
1x Chillwind Yeti
1x Oasis Snapjaw
2x Frostwolf Warlord
2x Boulderfist Ogre
1x Stormwind Champion
Go full aggro Facehunter, that is the best deck you can build in a budget
On July 31 2015 04:59 Trav94 wrote:
Ok so I've built this aggro face hunter deck http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/203395-rank-1-cheap-simple-facehunter. I couldn't use all the card suggested as I can't afford to craft them all, so I had to substitute with some basic cards. How bad is this deck?
On July 31 2015 04:59 Trav94 wrote:
Ok so I've built this aggro face hunter deck http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/203395-rank-1-cheap-simple-facehunter. I couldn't use all the card suggested as I can't afford to craft them all, so I had to substitute with some basic cards. How bad is this deck?
Get rid of the bomber you will have low health minios its very counterproductive.
Also get rid of the Grizzly you dont give a fuck about Taunting, you will attack the face always.
Get rid of tracking, you will basically be playing whatever you have on mana curve
Get Mad scientist with explosive traps (if you have them)
I subbed Grizzly, tracking, and bomber for 2x stonetusk boar, and 2x ironforge rifleman. I don't have Mad scientist and explosive traps. Just have basic cards left to use. What basic cards would you suggest replacing 2x grizzly, 1x tracking, and 1x bomber with?
On July 31 2015 04:59 Trav94 wrote:
Ok so I've built this aggro face hunter deck http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/203395-rank-1-cheap-simple-facehunter. I couldn't use all the card suggested as I can't afford to craft them all, so I had to substitute with some basic cards. How bad is this deck?
Get rid of the bomber you will have low health minios its very counterproductive.
Also get rid of the Grizzly you dont give a fuck about Taunting, you will attack the face always.
Get rid of tracking, you will basically be playing whatever you have on mana curve
Get Mad scientist with explosive traps (if you have them)
I subbed Grizzly, tracking, and bomber for 2x stonetusk boar, and 2x ironforge rifleman. I don't have Mad scientist and explosive traps. Just have basic cards left to use. What basic cards would you suggest replacing 2x grizzly, 1x tracking, and 1x bomber with?
Arcane Golems.
another good thing about this deck is that the average matchup is decided very fast, so you manage to have a lot of games per hour
On July 31 2015 04:59 Trav94 wrote:
Ok so I've built this aggro face hunter deck http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/203395-rank-1-cheap-simple-facehunter. I couldn't use all the card suggested as I can't afford to craft them all, so I had to substitute with some basic cards. How bad is this deck?
Get rid of the bomber you will have low health minios its very counterproductive.
Also get rid of the Grizzly you dont give a fuck about Taunting, you will attack the face always.
Get rid of tracking, you will basically be playing whatever you have on mana curve
Get Mad scientist with explosive traps (if you have them)
I subbed Grizzly, tracking, and bomber for 2x stonetusk boar, and 2x ironforge rifleman. I don't have Mad scientist and explosive traps. Just have basic cards left to use. What basic cards would you suggest replacing 2x grizzly, 1x tracking, and 1x bomber with?
This is what my face hunter deck looks like now.
x2 Arcane Shot
x2 Abusive Sergeant
x2 Elven Archer
x2 Leper Gnome
x2 Worgen Infiltrator
x2 Glaivezooka
x2 Explosive Trap
x2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
x2 Bluegill Warrior
x2 Ironbeak Owl
x2 Animal Companion
x2 Kill Command
x2 Unleash the Hounds
x2 Ironforge Rifelman
x2 Wolfrider
Deck look ok? Still looking to add Eaglehorn Bow, Quick Shot, Knife Juggler, Mad Scientist, and Haunted Creeper when I can get those cards. Maybe a finishing card like Leeroy Jenkins would be good as well?
Seems to me the point of facehunter is having a low curve to get as many cards on the board as possible..? I added +2 tracking, but it feels kind of like a waste of mana. Seems it would be better to just play whatever I get. Houndmaster doesn't seem good to me. It's 4 mana and I have no beasts except animal companion and iron beak owl. Don't have cultmaster and it's 4 mana as well.
About another charge, I think adding Arcane Golem would be pretty good when I can get it. Doesn't Argent Commander work better as more of a control card than a face card?
yes wolf is good, Rifleman is the worst card in your deck.
As they said previously since your Facehunter wont be as fast as others you need to curve out slightly less aggro, 1 houndmasters is fine since it can act as instant +2 damage, not sure if you have Savvanah Highmane but if you do add it to as a finisher
yeah the expansion is crap, the new Jousting mechanic that suppousedly should help decks with a slower curve totally sucks, mindless aggro decks will stick rule
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
just lost a game when i had a massive lead due to mind control tech in arena what a tilting card haha. it's worse because it's my own fault, I didn't need to summon silver hand.
If anyone is having trouble I recommend this deck I used to climb fast to rank 5 to get the new ladder rewards
It's super easy to play, mulligan hard for innervate/wild growth vs almost anything, vs hunter you can keep the keepers/wrath, vs aggro you don't want to be trading with your 4+ attack minions but rather going face when you can and race them. Give it a try it's got a good winrate.
Nevermind argus is far less useful than another force of nature, Ive only played 20 games so sample size is tiny but so far I think Mid-range Pally has better win ratio.
What are the new ladder prizes? I reached 10 today and I thought there were prizes for 15,10,5, legend but I didnt get shit
This card is pretty OP imo, especially combined with the 2/2 that makes your hero power free.
On turn 7, you cast a 5/4 your opponement is forced to kill, along with a random legendary.
In my last game, i lost anyways because he did Equality/consecration combo, but it seems really good
Not OP its strong but its a turn 9 unless you develop your board before with hero power combo minions but the opponent can usually smell the combo when you start playing these creatures so he removes them as fast as possible
I've started playing it a bit again, fuck why do I suck so much now, last time i tried a bit, i got rank 1 one season, and rank 2 the next, now im poop. This wasn't what I planned lol
On August 27 2015 02:39 PoorUser wrote:
so tilting arena in random packs now
+1, wtb a token to select what we want
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
On August 25 2015 00:07 Baalim wrote:
Nevermind argus is far less useful than another force of nature, Ive only played 20 games so sample size is tiny but so far I think Mid-range Pally has better win ratio.
What are the new ladder prizes? I reached 10 today and I thought there were prizes for 15,10,5, legend but I didnt get shit
you get a box that opens at the end of the season. you can see which one you have under quest log
Had a lot of fun with this weeks tavern brawl. It's really nice to challenge friends there as the decks are premade and equal in strength as well as being able to play with new cards we don't all have yet. Fun stuff
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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asdf2000 United States. Sep 19 2015 16:19. Posts 7690
hey i have a question for you guys, since I don't really play HS anymore
which do you guys think has more room for skill to outplay the opponents(which is more luck based overall, let's say like heads up sng format)? hearthstone, or poker?
my gut says hearthstone is more luck but im curious what you guys think
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
On September 19 2015 15:19 asdf2000 wrote:
hey i have a question for you guys, since I don't really play HS anymore
which do you guys think has more room for skill to outplay the opponents(which is more luck based overall, let's say like heads up sng format)? hearthstone, or poker?
my gut says hearthstone is more luck but im curious what you guys think
I think if we look at a game of Hearthstone as a HU sitngo. There's def more skill in hearthstone as you can achieve a much higher win rate than any hu sng pro.
On September 20 2015 18:13 VanDerMeyde wrote:
What does that card mean ? "Mindgames whiffed your opponments had no minions" ?
mindgames put a minion card from your opponent deck into play under your control, if your opponent has no minions left in his deck you get a "shadow of nothing"
On September 19 2015 15:19 asdf2000 wrote:
hey i have a question for you guys, since I don't really play HS anymore
which do you guys think has more room for skill to outplay the opponents(which is more luck based overall, let's say like heads up sng format)? hearthstone, or poker?
my gut says hearthstone is more luck but im curious what you guys think
Luck has nothing to do with how skilled a game requires, Tic-tac-toe has no luck involved yet is very simple.
The skill gap of Heartstone is VERY low, an intelligent person can probably reach pro-level in a week of serious play and learning, Poker is far more complex its not remotely comparable.
Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online
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asdf2000 United States. Sep 21 2015 23:27. Posts 7690
Well I didn't really ask which game is more complex or which game has a higher involvement of skill overall, I asked which game allows for more room to outplay opponents. And for that, I think that the amount of luck involved is pretty relevant.
A version of poker may be infinitely complex but if every scenario ended with getting allin on the flop either as a 1% favorite or a 1% underdog then yeah how involved luck is would be pretty relevant.
Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.
On September 21 2015 22:27 asdf2000 wrote:
Well I didn't really ask which game is more complex or which game has a higher involvement of skill overall, I asked which game allows for more room to outplay opponents. And for that, I think that the amount of luck involved is pretty relevant.
A version of poker may be infinitely complex but if every scenario ended with getting allin on the flop either as a 1% favorite or a 1% underdog then yeah how involved luck is would be pretty relevant.
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Then tic-tac-toe allows you to outplay your opponent more than poker because there is less variance in the result according to your logic.
Being able to outplay somebody is determined by the skill-cap or learning curve of a game, clearly poker skill cap is way higher than Heartstone, as I said, someone smart can reach pro-level within a week of study
On September 24 2015 03:19 Rinny wrote:
How many mistakes do you think you make a game on average?
I have no idea and its very deck dependent, its difficult to fuck up on zoolock and much much easier to make mistakes on patron warrior.
Also I think the study of the game is very shallow many openings could be studied and analyzed statistically but I understand why its not... its just a card game where you can make small ammounts of money not based on how good you are but how popular you are.
There are top players who are indeed looking at the game statistically. In the future things will change and the more skilled players will be the most popular. With 3-4 expansion packs per year the number of competitive decks will raise and with them probably the skill required.
I am pretty optimistic about this game, because right now it's in its very early stage and still one can observe quite interesting games at the top level.
Luck is surely something, which makes the game more casual, but at the same time if it is close to zero, the game will be pretty solved. So what blizzard should do is lower the luck in the game (how crucial the mulligan stage is for example) little by little with every expansion.
It's really interesting in what direction this game will develop. But two things are certain - playing and watching it is quite fun.
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Spicy United States. Sep 24 2015 13:26. Posts 1027
I think there are some interesting odds in the game I don't think a lot of people utilize for deckbuilding/play in game. Take Neptulon for example.
the % of getting at least 1 card draw murloc = 1 - (10/12)^4 = 0.517746914 = 51.8%
the % of getting at least 1 murloc knight = 1 - (11/12)^4 = 0.29393325617 = 29.4%
if i could get card draw cards about 50% of the time when playing neptulon, i should be able to cut azure drake for something stronger, unless the deck has a more aggressive mana curve.
Add me if you are on NA and wanna play some HS: Simon#1530
On September 24 2015 07:56 Expiate wrote:
There are top players who are indeed looking at the game statistically. In the future things will change and the more skilled players will be the most popular. With 3-4 expansion packs per year the number of competitive decks will raise and with them probably the skill required.
I am pretty optimistic about this game, because right now it's in its very early stage and still one can observe quite interesting games at the top level.
Luck is surely something, which makes the game more casual, but at the same time if it is close to zero, the game will be pretty solved. So what blizzard should do is lower the luck in the game (how crucial the mulligan stage is for example) little by little with every expansion.
It's really interesting in what direction this game will develop. But two things are certain - playing and watching it is quite fun.
yes I think some people are taking the game more seriously and studying it more, the game mechanics are still too simple though and simple decks are very rewarded by the developer thats why 90% of legendaries are useless
On September 24 2015 12:26 Spicy wrote:
Hey guys, I just qualified for the eSports Arena 25k invitational (only 2 qualifier spots and 22 invitees) http://esportsarena.com/events/hearthstone-invitational.html
It's on oct 2- 4 on www.twitch.tv/esportsarena. Please come support me via twitch spam as it's my first time on the big stage.
you can check out my twitch for educational streams and a summary of my hearthstone accomplishments www.twitch.tv/astrogation7
Dude just watched your games today, really really solid yo! Gratz on 2nd! Xixo's Feugen Stalagg druid is a little strong :O
no pain no gain
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Spicy United States. Oct 05 2015 07:49. Posts 1027
On September 24 2015 12:26 Spicy wrote:
Hey guys, I just qualified for the eSports Arena 25k invitational (only 2 qualifier spots and 22 invitees) http://esportsarena.com/events/hearthstone-invitational.html
It's on oct 2- 4 on www.twitch.tv/esportsarena. Please come support me via twitch spam as it's my first time on the big stage.
you can check out my twitch for educational streams and a summary of my hearthstone accomplishments www.twitch.tv/astrogation7
Dude just watched your games today, really really solid yo! Gratz on 2nd! Xixo's Feugen Stalagg druid is a little strong :O
Jab finished 2nd. I finished 3rd/4th for 2.5k though
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
Ok so, I played a lot of Hearthstone, and this is by far the funniest thing I've ever seen. I was playing a game of Priest vs Druid and I was really distracted reading some stuff on my other monitor throughout the game. I made a bunch of mistakes and hated myself and I was very likely to lose. Anyway, this guy is about to run out of cards and plays the Golden Monkey. He ends up getting a N'Zoth from it and he was playing a N'Zoth deck to begin with. So he plays it as his last card and swamps the board with two Sylvanas and some other low attack deathrattle minions. I clear some of them next turn with Excavated Evil, but I don't have much left in hand for next turn, just a Sylvanas, Doomsayer, and Brann. So I play the Brann and Doomsayer and heal up. His board has N'Zoth, two Sylvanas, one small minion and a Confessor's Priestest (Inspire: Summon a random legendary minion). Last turn: he has lethal if he hero powers, there's 17 on board and I have 18 HP. I almost concede, but figure there's a small chance he's distracted and misses it and attacks my Doomsayer instead. (Not that this would matter because I'm sure I have nothing in my deck to clear his board next turn. At best I get Reno and get to live one more turn) So, he takes up a lot of time, probably counting if he has lethal. Right before the rope animation starts, he hero powers, obviously knowing he has lethal. His Priestest spawns a fucking Nozdormu, and the rope appears immediately and in one second his turn is over (WTF!) and my doomsayer is triggered. He's left with no board and only Excavated Evil in hand while I have a few more cards in my deck. ROFL, what a shit show. I wonder what are the odds of that.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
i have a lot of spare time and i want to be good at this game. where do i start?
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blackjacki2 United States. Sep 17 2018 10:53. Posts 2581
On September 17 2018 02:18 lucky331 wrote:
i have a lot of spare time and i want to be good at this game. where do i start?
Sick bump. I play this game casually right now and it's pretty much the only game I play. I've been playing for a little over a year now. I don't know if this is the best method of "getting good" but I can basically tell you what I did when I started playing. After learning the basics of the game play with the newb cards the game gives you, I googled "best hearthstone deck" and dropped $100~ to craft a Tier 1 deck. Then I started playing ranked play. I played non-stop and after every ass kicking I adjusted my gameplay around the cards I was learning and the mistakes I was making. It's probably not the least aggravating way to learn the game but I think it's a pretty fast way to learn it. I went from Rank 25 to Legend my first month of playing and I have friends who've played for years and haven't even made Legend rank.
You can also follow Hearthstone tournaments on youtube or twitch. You will find that almost all players play one of the same 10-20 decks that are currently most powerful in the meta. Watching pros play the decks and listening to the commentary will probably be helpful in learning the decks/cards and how to play around certain things.
I would recommend playing a "zoolock" deck. It's currently one of the best decks in the meta, it's one of the cheapest decks to build, and it's one of the easiest decks to play.
On September 17 2018 02:18 lucky331 wrote:
i have a lot of spare time and i want to be good at this game. where do i start?
Sick bump. I play this game casually right now and it's pretty much the only game I play. I've been playing for a little over a year now. I don't know if this is the best method of "getting good" but I can basically tell you what I did when I started playing. After learning the basics of the game play with the newb cards the game gives you, I googled "best hearthstone deck" and dropped $100~ to craft a Tier 1 deck. Then I started playing ranked play. I played non-stop and after every ass kicking I adjusted my gameplay around the cards I was learning and the mistakes I was making. It's probably not the least aggravating way to learn the game but I think it's a pretty fast way to learn it. I went from Rank 25 to Legend my first month of playing and I have friends who've played for years and haven't even made Legend rank.
You can also follow Hearthstone tournaments on youtube or twitch. You will find that almost all players play one of the same 10-20 decks that are currently most powerful in the meta. Watching pros play the decks and listening to the commentary will probably be helpful in learning the decks/cards and how to play around certain things.
I would recommend playing a "zoolock" deck. It's currently one of the best decks in the meta, it's one of the cheapest decks to build, and it's one of the easiest decks to play.
thanks.
the best rank ever i got was 13 in like 4 seasons.
Standard meta is alot paper rock sissors atm.
I had easiest legend run with https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1182814-best-togwaggle ...had 6-7 losses from 5 to legend with this deck. Like 10+ winstreak in end. This deck only main weaknesses are quest rogue, rattle hunter and odd warlock. Other matchups are really your favored and rattle hunter is winnable like 30% also vs odd warlock u actually mostly dont swap deck u use naturalizes before because geist. With 2 starfalls u reck zoos and they are good single target removals also.
i ve spent like 600 or more dollars lifetime in the game, its kinda fun sometimes but tbh now i enjoy more watchin others play it than playin it myself
On September 21 2018 01:37 lucky331 wrote:
does that mean i have to spend a min of 100 dollars every time a new expansion comes out?
This is why i stopped playing it. Ridiculously costly game for what it is.
you get gold from daily missions more than enough to have 1 deck, now if you want to have every card then you gotta pay
true, they also give packs and extra gold with each expansion.
Biggest problem this game has is that it has very small edges imo
Even if you're the best you have to grind a shitton to get on top of the ladder and you're gonna lose a lot by ppl who play poorly
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
no monies, decks or anything thou. A little disappointing imo
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