UFC 143: Diaz vs. Condit - Page 3

On February 01 2012 23:24 DustySwedeDude wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2012 22:07 PuertoRican wrote: I do think that Diaz vs. Condit will the hardest match that either of these guys will have had so far, and it will probably be a top 10 fight of 2012. I agree with that. Still thinking of putting a bit of money on Diaz but I don't know if the odds are right.

If I was going to bet on this card, I'd gamble some on Riddle vs. Martinez. Riddle is -355 at 5dimes.

I've never seen Martinez fight, but he's coming in with an 8-1 record (2 TKO's, 4 subs, 2 decisions), trains at Jackson's gym (a lot of top people to train with).
Riddle is 5-3, currently on a 2 loss streak and will be cut if he loses this fight, and I don't think he's UFC caliber.

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Werdum is favored over Nelson by 5dimes at -150. Maybe it's me, but I don't see how Werdum can win this fight.

Nelson is stronger, has better hands, hard head, good balance, usually pushes forward in his fights and/or stays busy, and has a black belt in BJJ so he can defend himself on the ground.
Werdum cant KO Nelson, I doubt he can get him to the ground. He's one of the best BJJ guys in the UFC but he's shown to trick/trap people into taking him down, I don't remember him pulling off good take downs in recent fights.

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Nick Diaz is -200 at 5dimes. I assume, not really sure, but I'd guess the Diaz hype train will grow within the next couple of days and Diaz will be a bigger favorite.

The thing with just guessing on the fighter you've never seen is...

line makers are pretty good at their job, and they probably have seen a lot of martinez fights unlike us.

diaz wouldnt stand a chance against kos/fitch/gsp in anything under 99 round fights. the guy just cant stop a takedown to save his life and has been blessed with opponents that have had no submission defense at all in his past 10 fights.

hes lucky condit isnt much of a wrestler. he still can probably take diaz down a bunch if he wants to, and im sure he will if the standup isnt going his way. diaz is still a very incomplete fighter. hes extremely susceptible to legkicks and wrestling, and i suspect carlos will try to do that to win this fight. as for stopping diaz, you basically just need to land a huge shot and flurry fast, otherwise the guy recovers. its definitely possible though with carlos power in all of his limbs.

id set the line at close to a pickem though. diaz accumulating damage and stopping carlos over 5 rounds is the most likely outcome, but i think carlos will find a way to win a decent amount of the time and cannot be counted out.

Interim Welterweight Championship bout: Nick Diaz vs. Carlos Condit
This is really a fight where I have no idea what will happen. I think Condit is a better striker & wrestler than Nick and am confident he'll win the first couple rounds. My biggest concern is how Carlos cardio will do against Nicks. Going with Condit because he's my favorite WW, and awesome as ****. "I want the ref to pull me off you to save your life" is probably the most awesome MMA quote ever.

Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Fabricio Werdum

Again its really too close to call, but I'll go with Werdum.

Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Mike Pierce

Kos via being better everywhere, but he might get caught by a Pierce left hook.

Bantamweight bout: Renan Barão vs. Scott Jorgensen

Only seen one Barao fight, and it was him crushing Pickett. He looked absolutely amazing, and I hope he wins because Cruz badly needs another challenger.

Yea won a bit betting against Riddle in the past. Apparently the guy crumbles a lot under pressure (I heard that from someone who used to train a bit with him back in the day).

Don't think Diaz wrestling is horrible, it's just not top notch.

Cyborg isn't very good but he is a BJJ blackbelt who has only been subbed once before and Nick made him look like an utter beginner.

Diaz really had a very fortunate line of opponents in his last few fights, i really think he gets wrestlefucked by any elite wrestler at 170.

Rooting for Condit.

Werdum probably takes this.

Kos, Barao.

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At you guys picking Werdum over Nelson. I'm wondering in what areas do you see Werdum superior to Nelson, and in what way do you think Werdum would beat Nelson.

I personally cant see any area where Werdum is superior to Nelson except for the BJJ game. Nelson is a black belt in BJJ, but I know Werdum's BJJ is better. If they got to the ground and Werdum was on top, I think Nelson could defend himself there, but I just don't see it going to the ground in the first place.

I think Werdum might be a bit stronger and have about the same level of wrestling. Not sure though.

Werdum has wrestling?

Not really, but I don't know if Roy has that much of it either.

condit via KO in 30seconds or faster

Actually i like Roy on this one, he has the upper hand in the stand up and its going to be hard for Werdum to take him down.

I need to see some of condit's fights cuz it sounds to me like you guys are just impressed by how handsome he is, nick is pretty good in the ring.

On February 03 2012 07:15 Baalim wrote: Actually i like Roy on this one, he has the upper hand in the stand up and its going to be hard for Werdum to take him down.

this
solid standup, hard to take down and he is not clueless in bjj

On February 03 2012 11:31 morph1 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2012 07:15 Baalim wrote: Actually i like Roy on this one, he has the upper hand in the stand up and its going to be hard for Werdum to take him down. this solid standup, hard to take down and he is not clueless in bjj

roy gonna win, too much ko power and "not clueless" = legit black belt in bjj

On February 03 2012 11:17 Night2o1 wrote: I need to see some of condit's fights cuz it sounds to me like you guys are just impressed by how handsome he is, nick is pretty good in the ring.

CAn't remember which fight, but several years ago I saw him in one fight, and he fought like an absolute warrior.

The UFC Octagon Girls make football penalties sexy (17 HQ Photos): http://thechive.com/2012/02/02/the-uf...football-penalties-sexy-17-hq-photos/

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UFC 143 weigh-ins at 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST today: http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-143-weigh-in-archive

I'll be getting my haircut during that time, but I'll post the full weigh-in videos later today once it's uploaded.

If Dana sticks to his word, there should be a 2nd video blog sometime today.

I was listening to an MMA show yesterday, and the media/odds makers were all picking Clifford Starks over Ed Herman with the current line. Maybe you guys should put a little money on it.

Diaz, Nelson, Kos, Barao, Herman

I actually see Diaz v Condit fight being very similar to Little Diaz vs Cowboy fight.

Roy vs Werdum is probably a standup fight. I think there's a good chance that Roy clips him on the chin.

If you want Carlos to win this fight, say it with me: Leg Kicks. He needs to go Forrest Griffin / Jose Aldo ape shit on Diaz's legs right from the get go. If not, Diaz gonna rape his face with punches.

UFC 143 weigh-in photos: http://mmajunkie.com/news/27274/ufc-1...os-an-mmajunkie-com-image-gallery.mma

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