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KimChiMan Is 100% correct from my experience.

Earlier I played a game on Kulas Ravine and the zerg did a standard open with roach warren then killed my probe. He made his spire right away and didn't make one roach. He couldve cancelled his roach warren but he didn't. He proceeded to go do a hidden expo at the fast gathering expension and harassed me with mutas. I smelled something wrong when there were no roaches after a little while and did a few sentries and a forge. He arrived with 5 mutas when I had 4 sentries so I was ok. He proceeds to micro around my base to damage shit because sentries are fucking slow. I had broken my rocks just before and manage to somehow go up and make an expand/cannons while he's doing all this because I have quite a lot of sentries. I'm upgrading +1 weapons too. He just keeps making more and more mutas and harassing non-stop vs my buildings and my mineral line. He did it the whole game until he was maxed and he was taking the map the whole time. I could obviously not get out of my base since he was harassing and killing my shit with a ton of mutas. He could've killed me before but he was just having a blast at how overpowered this shit is.

Basically, you can hold them off only for so long with sentries. If he's a good zerg, while he's harassing he's expanding and he's harvest a ton more gas than you. It doesn't take much time before his mutas ratio + upgrades are good enough to rape any amount of sentries you might have from 4 assimilators. I even made 2 stargate pheonix + sentries and it didn't help at all.

The only thing you can do is make cannons and sentries to defend while he's taking the whole map. It's broken. If I had all-in'd it would've been my only chance to win earlier. Once the mutas were out it was gg.

Surprisingly storm is still very good against mutas imo.So i go for ht's asap.
Question a:I've found that archons are kind of useless(compared to the bw days).They don't splash anymore?
Question b:How do we count the fuckin' broodlord?

On March 12 2010 03:29 xafies wrote: Surprisingly storm is still very good against mutas imo.So i go for ht's asap. Question a:I've found that archons are kind of useless(compared to the bw days).They don't splash anymore? Question b:How do we count the fuckin' broodlord?

a: yes but mutas don't stack much like they did in bw so its not nearly as effective
b: lol you don't. dont let it get to that point

from what I can tell if you aren't keeping up in eco then youll die just as hard in SC1 as you will in SC2, i usually am counter attacking or something if he harasses me with mutas, and if he runs then I can buy time to expand/defend and go for some sort of tech combo to combat the mutas but yea it's not like in SC1 where u can make 2 archons/few ht's and mutas become neutralized

something need to be done for sure about them through a new patch

Thats why I like opening 1g into void rays, but just from 1 stargate while getting zealot legs to templar tech, sorta like the bw 1g sair into tech. If they did rush for muta you get there before the spire is done and you can snipe it ez, and since you didnt go robo tech it gives the Z more incentive to go for hydra/ling or just ground army, which is still pretty hard with how weak storms are but its pretty balanced when it comes to those fights I think. Its sorta like you gotta harass the Z in some way, its not up to the Z to kill the P like in BW, esp since you cant really FE as toss or at least I didnt find a good way to, zealot harass early on is useless and if you just sit there and let zerg macro kick in you are gonna get raped, void rays are sweet for that, even if you dont straight up kill him or even force a tech switch you still hunt down some ovies and shit and delay him.

As for brood lords, if you were behind and they went brood lords with a good supporting ground army ur pretty much fucked, but if u were ahead or about even just make a bunch of stalker with blink, they rape brood lords as long as you have enough zealots and shit to burn thru their ground army.

yup I dont use void ray as much I agree theyre underrated if anything

On March 12 2010 03:29 xafies wrote: Surprisingly storm is still very good against mutas imo.So i go for ht's asap. Question a:I've found that archons are kind of useless(compared to the bw days).They don't splash anymore? Question b:How do we count the fuckin' broodlord?

Stalkers with blink are the way to go.

ive been opening 1 gate, stargate, 3 phoenix vs zerg, lifting the queen and sniping some ovies/scouting, then making robo and getting to colossus then expo after to counter hydra. seems to work ok but its a tough strat for me cause your phoenix have to stay really active and like always im slow as fuck. think its better to go void ray first? also think its better to follow up with dt then expo?

Im not sure if this was reported yet but with terran you can start the game by lifting off and moving your base to the high yield and catch all the lost mining time by the 2:30 minute mark (if it takes 60 second to move which it does) I lost to a mass rine vs my mass roach rush and it felt pretty disgusting. It only works on metalopolis and kulas ravine tho

also im annoyed at how long it takes to get to the higher leagues... im #1 silver and ive been top 8 for the past 3 days and still im stuck with teh noobs

corruptors, infestors and broodlords are lolgood

On March 12 2010 11:29 Ket wrote: zerg is lolgood

FYP

oversky (Z) is just running over every other player

fira and i are awesome. that is all

watching warcraft players play SC is a sore to the eyes, that game was terrible -.-

On March 12 2010 13:49 failsafe wrote: fira and i are awesome. that is all

you guys wanna 2v2 clay and I?
we just his 1 on our ladder and it takes like 15 min to find a game

On March 12 2010 12:34 maryn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2010 11:29 Ket wrote: zerg is lolgood FYP oversky (Z) is just running over every other player

zerg played so slow and quite primitive, or its just me? he could have taken whole map before p left the base..... correct me if i am wrong

check his other games he raped louder and cowgomoo like 6-1, I never considered sc1 players superior to w3, go check ladder rankings there are a lot of w3 players on high positions.

On March 12 2010 03:53 RaiNKhAN wrote: from what I can tell if you aren't keeping up in eco then youll die just as hard in SC1 as you will in SC2, i usually am counter attacking or something if he harasses me with mutas, and if he runs then I can buy time to expand/defend and go for some sort of tech combo to combat the mutas but yea it's not like in SC1 where u can make 2 archons/few ht's and mutas become neutralized something need to be done for sure about them through a new patch

you can just leave a few cannons and 1 templar or make sairs to avoid getting harassed to death by Mutas on BroodWar

on SC2 it looks like you have to leave ur whole army of sentries and make a shitload of cannons to even think about surviving

On March 12 2010 13:49 failsafe wrote: fira and i are awesome. that is all

hey brah, quit cheating on me, thanks.

On March 12 2010 11:25 Drakk wrote: Im not sure if this was reported yet but with terran you can start the game by lifting off and moving your base to the high yield and catch all the lost mining time by the 2:30 minute mark (if it takes 60 second to move which it does) I lost to a mass rine vs my mass roach rush and it felt pretty disgusting. It only works on metalopolis and kulas ravine tho also im annoyed at how long it takes to get to the higher leagues... im #1 silver and ive been top 8 for the past 3 days and still im stuck with teh noobs

Thankfully a well-timed Colossus timing attack solves that in PvT on both maps, the high yield is extremely vulnerable on both maps for ranged Colossus . It's a cute thing to try though.

You can also 2gate rush it if you scout it in time, but I usually scout after the GW vs T and then it might be late - might wanna change that considering this.

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