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On March 08 2010 15:52 CrownRoyal wrote: i mean honestly i had an obs in your base before i made any tech choice beyond my 2 warpgates you had marines, so i got collosus, wtf am i doing wrong?

banshees beat protoss, so fayth is right about that. i guess he's saying the big mistake in your build was to select protoss at the title screen instead of ZERG THE VERY MENTION OF THIS TERRIFYING RACE STIKES FEAR INTO THE HEARTS OF _______....

AWAKEN CEREBRATE AND EMBRACE THE GLORY THAT IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT

On March 08 2010 14:51 KimChiMan wrote: loco could you elaborate your thoughts on pvz? im 1800 protoss and i feel that mu is so imbalenced for protoss. zerg can expand, you CANNOT stop it, and then they mass ling to /roach/muta depending on what units you make. zlot/immortals lose to ling/banelings to muta if u go robo units. stalkers just get raped by lings. zlot/templers gets destroyed by roaches. and all this time he has twice ur economy. well those are my thoughts anyway, would love to hear what others think of this mu. i woudlnt say pvp is broken but it is a awful mu. it has evolved from proxy gating, to 4gate zelot/sentries to 14 probe 3 gate warp rushes, all extremely gay. there are 2 ways to counter it the warp gate rush, pple just dont know it yet.

Depends on the map, typically the "good" tosses tend to open with double stargate phoenix, then expo and mass colossus/zealot/sentry. Colossus are just way too fucking strong vs zerg, it's retarded. With Mothership it's just gg, in late game zerg has to resort to sneakiness like nydus worm.

On March 08 2010 17:44 fira wrote: skies

chen

On March 08 2010 17:57 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2010 17:44 fira wrote: skies chen

how are you?

On March 08 2010 18:20 fira wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2010 17:57 CrownRoyal wrote:   On March 08 2010 17:44 fira wrote: skies chen how are you?

pretty good, wanna play some SCRIMS?

aka 1v1 non hon

On March 08 2010 18:23 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2010 18:20 fira wrote:   On March 08 2010 17:57 CrownRoyal wrote:   On March 08 2010 17:44 fira wrote: skies chen how are you? pretty good, wanna play some SCRIMS? aka 1v1 non hon

I am ridiculous stoned right now brosef.

I wish there were UMS in SC2

Etherone, be careful making those Stalkers vs Ling muta, Stalkers are so bad vs lings it's not even funny, like 20 lings eat 10 of them or something silly with plenty to spare.

Ps, where can u get hold of rly good reps ?

lol i ran into witty shit talkers. I played a pretty good game vs RedDog and when it came time for gg or the silent exit he typed in:

"you out skilled me"
"gg"

i wanted to email him my fist, punk kid bastard rat shit loser

oh yea almost #1 again as well

crown raped me when we played

On March 08 2010 14:51 KimChiMan wrote: loco could you elaborate your thoughts on pvz? im 1800 protoss and i feel that mu is so imbalenced for protoss. zerg can expand, you CANNOT stop it, and then they mass ling to /roach/muta depending on what units you make. zlot/immortals lose to ling/banelings to muta if u go robo units. stalkers just get raped by lings. zlot/templers gets destroyed by roaches. and all this time he has twice ur economy. well those are my thoughts anyway, would love to hear what others think of this mu. i woudlnt say pvp is broken but it is a awful mu. it has evolved from proxy gating, to 4gate zelot/sentries to 14 probe 3 gate warp rushes, all extremely gay. there are 2 ways to counter it the warp gate rush, pple just dont know it yet.

I agree with your thoughts on the pvp. It's indeed possible to counter the build. I have a new build that completely crushes it. Still, the match up is really annoying.

As for PvZ I put a lot of pressure early on. I sneak a probe in to see if the guy is doing roaches, if he is I have an immortal rush build that crushes it every time. If he's not it's usually hydras so I'll just quickly tech to colossus. Otherwise on some maps I like to go 3 warpgates and put a lot of pressure this way. If I'm successful I can usually hold the ramp and they can't come out while I expo. I have had a decent amount of success with that & playing around with DTs. I haven't experimented with fast stargate much so far. Maybe it's just the zerg players that I'm up against lately that aren't that good, but it has been pretty straight forward so far. The ling/banelling tech is indeed extremely powerful zvp. I guess it's all about the awareness of what your opponent is doing. If the zerg surprises you, you're most likely done.

loco, what do you like to do to counter baneling /ling rush if you scout it? also if you wouldnt mind pm'ing me your HARD COUNTER to warp gate rush, then ill gladly email you some aces as a sign of gratitude

lol are people really being secretive about builds this early in the beta?

its like if you want the game to be balanced properly and not have blizzard fuck over certain builds because people dont know the correct counters and blizzard just assumes stuff is overpowered cause it never loses then contribute to the slow process of rebalancing the game

thats the beauty of stats whoring

Whats the big deal with warp gate rushes? I hear a lot of complaints about it but it seems really goofy and doesn't seem all that difficult to deal with. Someone makes a pylon near or outside your base then runs around shit to kill shit? Just make shit to kill their shit. It seems like your base design (designing it ala SC1) is what allows you to be exploited. Don't locate your buildings 1000 miles away from your minerals if you are expecting this. Don't power your shit with 1 pylon. ETC ETC.

On March 08 2010 23:04 RaiNKhAN wrote: oh yea almost #1 again as well crown raped me when we played

i think you played failsafe, not me.

i let him borrow my account all last week while i grinded cause i didnt want to have to move down when i cashed out to pay for some stuff.

On March 09 2010 00:00 Maynard! wrote: Whats the big deal with warp gate rushes? I hear a lot of complaints about it but it seems really goofy and doesn't seem all that difficult to deal with. Someone makes a pylon near or outside your base then runs around shit to kill shit? Just make shit to kill their shit. It seems like your base design (designing it ala SC1) is what allows you to be exploited. Don't locate your buildings 1000 miles away from your minerals if you are expecting this. Don't power your shit with 1 pylon. ETC ETC.

its an extremely fast timing build which totally destroys the standard protoss power probe gate on 12 then cyber open. you make gate on 10, stop probes at 14 food so you can make 3warpgates and 3 zealots the instant the warptech is researched. basically you will have 3 zealots in his mineral line while his first unit is about 20seconds away. beat nony twice last night even tho he knew it was coming and he wasnt happy lol, its just so fucking fast. response beat louder in the showmatch thing 3-0 with a variation of that start all games under 5 mins

#1 in Division 8: KhanYeWest 1817 193-143

It's about time (marine's voice)

oh yea and cowboydan is a huge loser, complained like hell when I beat him, oh well hope he reads this somehow YOU GOT OWNED SON LMAO

On March 08 2010 23:13 RaiNKhAN wrote: loco, what do you like to do to counter baneling /ling rush if you scout it? also if you wouldnt mind pm'ing me your HARD COUNTER to warp gate rush, then ill gladly email you some aces as a sign of gratitude

few zealots, sentry + stalkers/cannons to hold my ramp until i get colossus /w range

the ideal thing is if a map permits it to build your two gates in a way that enables only 1 zealot to block the entrance to your base, this way it makes it much harder for them to kill shit and get in. just put a stalker to block that spot since they are less vulnerable to baneling. you can use your sentry to enable only a few to get up and be stuck there inbetween while your range units/cannons kills it all.

the build that counters the fast 3 zealot warp is a fast 2gate rush with chrono booster. you basically just make your pylon at 10 and your two gates at 10 as well, you will have two zealots coming out really soon and you can target the pylon of the gates. if he scouts your build he will be forced to make zealots but you will have a lot more and faster than his... its a pretty tough build to counter in itself