Starcraft II Beta - Page 43

or just hide your probe at their natural and go back

looooool amazing now pvp is a cannon rush fest

so overall, how are you guys rating this compared to BW after having played now for a few weeks?

I still dislike the way the warpgate mechanic is implemented. While the increased researchtime somewhat helps vs what is obviously imba (Though it seems that they forgot to fix scouting or at least compensate the P early weakness >.> ), the gameplay revolving around it is still shit. Everybody everywhere will always research warpgates ASAP. While they are a really interesting mechanic for P, having a brainless research for it is silly.

There should be a choice between normal and warp gates, each with specific situations or tactics where they are useful. Give the players a choice damnit. Won't go into details on how to actually do this, since i don't have a working model. Fixing early game scouting is one important step, but that has its own problems as well.

itll take a while to find a true balance but I think the games graphics and lack of overall bugs is what keeps all of us interested/logging in 300+ games each

oh yea, and go shane carwin!

I'm not talking about balance, but about gameplay. Game can be perfectly balanced but have shit gameplay, ie it's boring/tedious.

Increasing the research time helps with the balance, but does nothing to improve the poor gameplay mechanics revolving around the tech.

Anyone know if I will get a SC 2 key if I've already entered my Blizzcon 2008 beta key? I should get my key in the next invite, right? RIGHT ?

The ladder system is nonsensical... zerg needs more nerfs.

and yes they need to make zerglings same speed as SCV,probe until they get speed.

I seriously dont get how can I still be in gold div after having 2100 pts the 2nd guy has 1750ish and 68% WR... wtf.

On March 14 2010 13:40 Cro)Deadman wrote: The ladder system is nonsensical... zerg needs more nerfs. and yes they need to make zerglings same speed as SCV,probe until they get speed. I seriously dont get how can I still be in gold div after having 2100 pts the 2nd guy has 1750ish and 68% WR... wtf.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115901

lol yeah in my shared account we are 1st in silver for the longest time by a pretty good margin too (altho not 2k+ rating)

wow im so tired of marines and scvs

Zerg doesnt need more nerfs. T>Z, P>T, Z>P

yeah except p cant beat t right now, excellent analysis.

Really? Warpgate change everything? I've only played 2 tvp since warpgate nerf.

pvt is tough now. i wouldnt say its imbalanced either way, but in some scenarios t can really put a ton of pressure on p with either proxy rax or mass rine fast or really quick mm rush or whatever.


as p you have to go stalker/immortal fast to combat the fast mm rush. and even then its not easy to stop sometimes on closer starting spot maps. they can follow up with ghost and it renders sentry/immortal useless so you need colossus faster.

of course they can also go banshee fast or banshee/viking as a followup to mm rush so then you probably need phoenix cause stalker with or without blink doesnt do a good job vs a lot of banshees.

and then of course they can just forego allof that and go reaper harass which really do well vs sentry/stalker into banshee.

so basically p is kinda forced into the stalker/immortal build without being able to make warpgates to build units fast enough to combat it with other options, but t does have other options

ive even had some issues with nukes early in the game. t can get it so fast



and, p has to scout on 8 or 10 now to check for the proxy rax builds so you cant do a super power build even gah

been watching orbs livestream (LOL HE TILTS SO HARD WHENEVER HE LOSES), and hes been doing 4 gate zeal/sentry vs terran into templar tech to get feedback for ghosts. its interesting, thoughts?

seems like it would be hard to get off the feedbacks esp since im so slow and not a micro beast

On March 14 2010 22:01 Maynard! wrote: Zerg doesnt need more nerfs. T>Z, P>T, Z>P

y but z>t (check zotac4 dimaga replays), z>p, p=>t (y cheese is hard but definatelly stoppable, Raven tested it with tarson and even late 2nd gate easily stops this scv rush, in late game toss has advantage with all this colo/storm bullshit while terran has still to play bio cuz mech sucks)- btw funny how P always goes straight robo and first fighting unit they make is stalker then immortals and get surprised when terran rushes them lol

I watched a few of Orb's reps Daut, I feel like he's pretty terrible T_t