Starcraft II Beta - Page 36

On March 06 2010 20:54 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 20:03 Loco wrote: pvz seems to be quite well balanced actually right now. I'm having some really close games lately. the main issue seems to be with the pvp where it is virtually impossible to stop the 3 warpgates rush with pylon in the guy's base unless you do the same build. i just read garimto's blog about it and couldn't agree more that pvp is screwed right now. smuft does it every single game and never loses. can't u just scout it? also that sentries counters mutas bit is retarded, mutas are harass units with high mobility, they won't ever si there and 1v1 sentries or any unit for that matter. i bet you anything i could rape those 100 sentries with the 50 mutas, along with his entire econ line, and probably some tech buildings while he is trying to catch up with those slow ass ground units.

i dont think thats the point. if a toss army rolls up to your base with a good mix of sentries, you aren't gonna be able to roll over them as easily with just muta/ling.

On March 07 2010 00:18 Bigbobm wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 20:54 Etherone wrote:   On March 06 2010 20:03 Loco wrote: pvz seems to be quite well balanced actually right now. I'm having some really close games lately. the main issue seems to be with the pvp where it is virtually impossible to stop the 3 warpgates rush with pylon in the guy's base unless you do the same build. i just read garimto's blog about it and couldn't agree more that pvp is screwed right now. smuft does it every single game and never loses. can't u just scout it? also that sentries counters mutas bit is retarded, mutas are harass units with high mobility, they won't ever si there and 1v1 sentries or any unit for that matter. i bet you anything i could rape those 100 sentries with the 50 mutas, along with his entire econ line, and probably some tech buildings while he is trying to catch up with those slow ass ground units. i dont think thats the point. if a toss army rolls up to your base with a good mix of sentries, you aren't gonna be able to roll over them as easily with just muta/ling.

i dunno i rather spend the gas on stalkers or upgrades or tech.
this is probably because i got stuck in a silver league, and i don't anyone of the zergs there know the BO for the muta timing attack, so whenever i face mutas i usually have enough stalkers to kill them. sentries are very situational, and micro dependent which makes them far from my standard, although im starting to think they would help a lot vs early terran M&M aggression those things just melt my units

I just bought a blizzcon 2008 beta code so now I'm playing the waiting game for the SC 2 beta key >_<!!

Can you play single player with the beta or is it only multi?

Oh if Omnisain is Mr.X. then this division is definitely full of legends.

anon, templars aren't that good vs zerg (or in any MU for that matter) unless supplies are 150++ on both sides, then they're very useful. Most ground units (especially hydra / ling) that zerg can throw at you can be countered easily with 2 colossi armed with the extended thermal lance upg. Immortals rape roaches, just produce a few and focus fire them in every fight.

However, the best opening vs Z (imo) is 1 gate fast tech into fast stargate, and depending on what I scout I open with phoenix or void ray (the latter can win you the game right there if the zerg is careless, just use chrono on the SG and get 2 voids really fast, kill queen, kill hatch -> profit. If he has 2 queens, your 3rd void ray should be there soon - wait for it, while only losing shields on your rays [they recharge real fast]. Void rays work well vs roach openings, especially roach-rushes, which you should see with your scouting probe. Phoenix openings are good vs muta opens, cause your phoenix come out really, really fast. You can also use the pressure you maintain with them to expo and catch up with the zerg economy.

When you face a good-ish zerg who knows how to use mutas, in my experience your goal should be static defense @ your probe line (even 4+ cannons if necessary, mutas aren't cheap either) while massing sentries / phoenix. Phoenix are fast enough to help your cannons anytime he wants to rape your main / expo, and if you get a good mix of chargelot / sentry / colossi / phoenix it can work like the dreaded archon / lot / temp / reaver death ball in SC1. You attack, and Z can't use mobility to pick off your army and you roll him over (just as Bigbobm said).

Stalkers suck, except when 150+ on narrow maps when all your chargelots couldn't fight at once, then a few stalkers can always be good ranged damage suppliers. They're totally useless in PvP and only good to defend against reapers in PvT = I really like the concept tho, so I hope they'll get tweaked...I wanna play with them.

*pinched* SC2 never happened it was all a dream

On March 06 2010 06:03 Dogan0s wrote: anyone willing to trade a EUbeta for a US one ? i got a US beta account but my friends are @ EU so if anyone looking for such trade.. =D

but mutas rape stalkers

Fuck immortals, and yes, I do play zerg.

On March 06 2010 20:54 Etherone wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 20:03 Loco wrote: pvz seems to be quite well balanced actually right now. I'm having some really close games lately. the main issue seems to be with the pvp where it is virtually impossible to stop the 3 warpgates rush with pylon in the guy's base unless you do the same build. i just read garimto's blog about it and couldn't agree more that pvp is screwed right now. smuft does it every single game and never loses. can't u just scout it? also that sentries counters mutas bit is retarded, mutas are harass units with high mobility, they won't ever si there and 1v1 sentries or any unit for that matter. i bet you anything i could rape those 100 sentries with the 50 mutas, along with his entire econ line, and probably some tech buildings while he is trying to catch up with those slow ass ground units.

you can't stop it even if u scout it, unless you do the exact same thing

fuuuuuuuuuuu loco

lolol :D

ps, i'm a week behind in the metagame of this but i'm playing again, not failsafe

inebriated.fella

add me + msg if you want to play 1v1/2v2

dude GiYoM is good

I am glad i sold my account, this game is so great that i stopped living my life and played all day long -...- played like 90 games in 3 days :o

loco could you elaborate your thoughts on pvz? im 1800 protoss and i feel that mu is so imbalenced for protoss. zerg can expand, you CANNOT stop it, and then they mass ling to /roach/muta depending on what units you make.
zlot/immortals lose to ling/banelings to muta if u go robo units. stalkers just get raped by lings. zlot/templers gets destroyed by roaches. and all this time he has twice ur economy. well those are my thoughts anyway, would love to hear what others think of this mu.

i woudlnt say pvp is broken but it is a awful mu. it has evolved from proxy gating, to 4gate zelot/sentries to 14 probe 3 gate warp rushes, all extremely gay.
there are 2 ways to counter it the warp gate rush, pple just dont know it yet.

dunno if its the same on the US server as the EU, but in the PvP warp gate with pylon in opponents main build, they dont build any zealots before warpgates, right?

I've found a kinda counter where i go 1 gate in my main and put down gas so it looks normal to the scout probe, but then I also proxy 2 gateways and then hit their base with about 3-4 zeal with more being rallied, about 10-15 sec before they transform their gateways to warpgates.

fayth i just beat you pvt and you told me i was retarded and that my build was retarded. I'm like 1.5 weeks out of the loop on what's in. I agree i have no idea what i'm doing pvt because i win every pvt that I play and i dont see any reason to adjust.

why do banshees rape what i did? wtf am i supposed to do? go pheonix?

i mean honestly i had an obs in your base before i made any tech choice beyond my 2 warpgates

you had marines, so i got collosus, wtf am i doing wrong?

you didn't dt drop him? well I can see why fayth thinks your build was retarded

fayth was bm after losing? who would have guessed