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i dont think z>t its just the terrans dimaga faces are incapable of adjusting their gameplan.
im pretty sure if morrow faced dimaga in sc1 instead of 2 the score would be the same.

like just in what way 2 port banshee open doesnt totally rape what dimaga is doing.

overall im pretty tilted on zerg's lack of offensive capabilities. I mean what you do is pretty much sit back try to counter timing pushes and macro your ass off. No lurkers, muta sucks, drops/nydus exchanges rarely favor you because as to game dynamics one big army exchange usually spells gg. The only agressive move that i so far enjoyed is a late game ovvie drop on opponents choke point with an infestor for a fungal growth spell that allows me to exchange my forces for a favorable rate. I combine it with an expansion raid with another infestor for fungal growthing the scvs.

On March 15 2010 18:42 SfydjkLm wrote: like just in what way 2 port banshee open doesnt totally rape what dimaga is doing.

it rapes it

Z is not > P...

if P knows what to do it's very even if not slightly favored for P

95% of P's don't know what to do though

also Z > T if both play perfectly

yea i agree that z and p are even. there is just a stratlin difference between platinum players and top 10 platinum players. people like white.ra or abver shut down muta harrass pretty fast.
as far as zvt is concerned... i dunno, i feel like a lot of maps just favor t. Like Lost Temple is a free win for any competent t.

I'd like to see some top level pvz. A z who is currently #1 plat that I speak to sometimes said that P absolutely cannot win.

All this talk about phoenixes, mutas, etc. are all after the games seem to be decided.

On March 15 2010 18:59 SfydjkLm wrote: overall im pretty tilted on zerg's lack of offensive capabilities. I mean what you do is pretty much sit back try to counter timing pushes and macro your ass off. No lurkers, muta sucks, drops/nydus exchanges rarely favor you because as to game dynamics one big army exchange usually spells gg. The only agressive move that i so far enjoyed is a late game ovvie drop on opponents choke point with an infestor for a fungal growth spell that allows me to exchange my forces for a favorable rate. I combine it with an expansion raid with another infestor for fungal growthing the scvs.

Copper or bronze League Right right?

P < Z EASILY

P = the weakest race atm the warp gate nerf was crazy :/ 80 sec is way way too much

On March 16 2010 02:30 Sennpu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2010 18:59 SfydjkLm wrote: overall im pretty tilted on zerg's lack of offensive capabilities. I mean what you do is pretty much sit back try to counter timing pushes and macro your ass off. No lurkers, muta sucks, drops/nydus exchanges rarely favor you because as to game dynamics one big army exchange usually spells gg. The only agressive move that i so far enjoyed is a late game ovvie drop on opponents choke point with an infestor for a fungal growth spell that allows me to exchange my forces for a favorable rate. I combine it with an expansion raid with another infestor for fungal growthing the scvs. Copper or bronze League Right right? P < Z EASILY P = the weakest race atm the warp gate nerf was crazy :/ 80 sec is way way too much

l2pvz imo.

I did beat nightend today tho, out of my copper league so cleary it must be rigged.

but the ranking system is so fucking tilted its impossible for me to get out because i have so much points, like right now i got matched against nightend twice, against loz twice, against snake once, against happysmiles and some more high-end platinum. Those are all top 10-20 platinum ranked guys, and im just not good enough to maintain anything over 50% against them.

So if i the 30 game bump rule is correct im so fucked.

i got bumped up to platinum after being 60-35 with over 200 point lead on 2nd place in silver.

i dont think you realize how easy the people youre facing actually are. my competition got significantly harder consistently after moving up to platinum. my win:loss ratio went from 2:1 to basically 1:1 since moving up and ive improved a ton. yea occasionally you get a tough platinum player but its not as common.

and p <<<<< z. its just so fucked without warpgates. on a map like scrap station they can just mass speedling and you die the majority of the time. on the other maps they can just bounce back and forth between muta and hydra and you just die when you overcommit one way or the other or expand cause you cant keep your shit alive.

its just really gay that in a game of hard counters there is no hard counter for the mutalisk and protoss just dies.

On March 16 2010 02:48 Daut wrote: i got bumped up to platinum after being 60-35 with over 200 point lead on 2nd place in silver. i dont think you realize how easy the people youre facing actually are. my competition got significantly harder consistently after moving up to platinum. my win:loss ratio went from 2:1 to basically 1:1 since moving up and ive improved a ton. yea occasionally you get a tough platinum player but its not as common.

yea, no.
first of all you were in silver and im sorry if i mislead you but im in gold.
Secondly i have around 1900 pts there which is as far as we know as far as matchmaking concerned is an equivalent of 1400-1500 plat, which is where ure at about right now.

and p <<<<< z. its just so fucked without warpgates. on a map like scrap station they can just mass speedling and you die the majority of the time. on the other maps they can just bounce back and forth between muta and hydra and you just die when you overcommit one way or the other or expand cause you cant keep your shit alive. its just really gay that in a game of hard counters there is no hard counter for the mutalisk and protoss just dies.

i never seen a top tier toss just sit on it and die to speedlings. People ive played like ra or zeerax are on the offensive all the time. there is nothign to fly around with your muta and harras when theyre in your base.

actually i wont claim if its balanced or otherwise. its just that protoss have clearly evolved and it is no where near as imbalanced as we thought we were.
I think we need to wait and see.

I have a 100% winrate against all the zergs who used to crush me in the past couple days. I figured the whole thing out and it's only a matter of time before it spreads... people are approaching pvz very wrongly and it's true there is no real counter to mutas from that approach. I don't want to post reps about it yet because everyone will start doing it and zergs will adjust faster if I do, but I can tell you with certainty that there is a way to own any build the zerg is doing including mutas. It requires a lot more skill to pull off though.

Can't believe you're worried about your stats in a beta. How about releasing your build to the public so we get a better idea on how balanced the game is, so we don't have a shit game on release?

It's only a matter of time before this becomes the standard pvz for now so I really don't mind delaying it as long as possible by not showing it to everyone because right now zergs have had it easy for way too long vs P and I'm happy to be able to crush them like this. I feel like I should be rewarded from my analysis and experiments before everyone jumps on the bangwagon and steals my build. It's way too easy that way. If I show it everyone will start to play like this and the zergs will adjust collectively and it will make it slightly harder for me.

The game will get the balance it needs before its released and whether I play it or not...

I can't be the only one who does this, I'm sure the koreans have caught up too. It's only a matter of time before americans do as well. I might as well get my nerd revenge against every single top platinum zerg before it happens!

agreed with true, seems ridiculous to me to be treating a BETA release like youre playing the finished product and playing it competitively for ladder points. we're supposed to be helping blizzard find bugs and balance issues to make it a better game on release in exchange for a decent sneak preview of how sc2 will be. wanting the good feeling of a few wins during this time sounds very petty indeed and very secondary to the purpose of a beta

On March 16 2010 04:56 Loco wrote: It's only a matter of time before this becomes the standard pvz for now so I really don't mind delaying it as long as possible by not showing it to everyone because right now zergs have had it easy for way too long vs P and I'm happy to be able to crush them like this. I feel like I should be rewarded from my analysis and experiments before everyone jumps on the bangwagon and steals my build. It's way too easy that way. If I show it everyone will start to play like this and the zergs will adjust collectively and it will make it slightly harder for me. The game will get the balance it needs before its released and whether I play it or not... I can't be the only one who does this, I'm sure the koreans have caught up too. It's only a matter of time before americans do as well. I might as well get my nerd revenge against every single top platinum zerg before it happens!

I doubt youre playing any good Zs unless your open is something other than 1 gate zealot tech or 2 gate zealot rush. A good Z will scout that and rip either opening up hard.

The amount of speedlings or roaches that a good Z can amass is just overwhelming.

yea Loco just make a thread on TL,they may get to call it the "Loco build" if it's actually that creative ^^
just look at Maynard,even now ppl ask him if he's that guy who did that thing a few ages ago

Yes loco. No one is gonna care about some random schlub who went from 18th in platinum division 3 to 2nd using a revolutionary strategy. They'll remember some teamliquid megaposter who sees you use that strategy and steals it.

Seal your fate as a gaming legend.