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I cant get onto 2+2 from work but I was briefly on it last weekend and some posters were saying that these $12 180's were dead, that there is no edge in playing them any longer. Strange as I thought that bokus achievements would have brought a lot of fish to those games.

I've played around 20 $12 180s over the last few days and failed to cash in any. Luckily Ive made profit in the 18s and 45s and the lower buyin 180s so am breaking even but losing over 20BI in the 180s is crap. I failed to cash in about 10 of the $7 180s but then FT'd 3 in a row. I know this is normal variance for these games but it still sucks to have to drop down to the 6s because of failing to cash. A 100BI downswing at the $12s will wipe me out.

If the $12 180s are attracting better players then I can easily see why it can get hard to FT. Even in optimum conditions (Vs a field of fish) you still need to win a number of flips/hands were you only have a slight edge to get deep.

Im just wondering if the extremely high variance coupled with better competition (apparantly) means that these are no longer the best way to build a roll?

lol @ better competition in $12 SNGs

Usually ends up all the fish go out quickly and you pick up chips, and then its common to see 4-5 regs on the FT

Still different levels of regs, you just spot them and play a strategy which beats their fundamental one so its fine

i hope you go broke and have to suck dick to get staked

12 180's are filled with regs now but they definitely arent dead

On February 23 2010 06:28 breaktwister wrote: A 100BI downswing at the $12s will wipe me out.

[x];(

On February 25 2010 13:13 goose58 wrote: i hope you go broke and have to suck dick to get staked

We are not all like you dicksucking fag lover.

I noticed that a bunch of the 2+2ers had some competition going throughout Feb to see how much they could make over 500 games of the $12 180 men.

What I meant by my earlier post about 'better' competition is that as the blinds get bigger you are relying on people having poor push/call ranges for your edge. But if there are 20 regs that know what they are doing in the field then you don't have that much of an edge really.

Saying that, I managed to bink one last week and have moved up to mainly $12 games and the $16 18 mans.

Its more than 20 regs per field lol

The skill level of regs varies a fair amount

The edge is there, but practise some game selection and play easier games ihmo

On February 20 2010 10:35 blackjacki2 wrote: Boku is shortstacking PLO25 atm ;o

Boku is up 180K from SNGS ( 16 and 45 man ones)
doubt he needs to shorstack PLo25
he is probably just fooling around

my personal experience is tha following

HU SNGs 2man -> not really too profitable considering the rake and that u probably only have an edge of 55-45 on average
playing HU cashgame is a lot more + EV

9 Man SNGs 1 table
-> dont think there is any good profit to be made at all on higher levels u basically need a lot of 1st and 2nd places and from the
25$ ones up at least 5 of the 9 players have a semi decent push fold icm skill...
pure variance

18man SNGs 2 table are my favourites

After playing these turbos for 6-7 weeks now constantly I have to say that the variance in the 180s sucks so much ass. Certainly, they are a far cry from the original Boku challenge of $100-$10K in a week or wotever. I would say that such a challenge is impossible to replicate now.

I'll repeat again, in a regular MTT your edge is so much bigger as you have time to pick spots for most of the tournament. In these 180man turbos you are forced to take lots of flips and of course you only need 1 to go against you and your crippled or bust. On top of surviving key flips you actually have to find some cards/weak opponents in the FT to get into the top 3 and get a decent return.

I have a negative ROI over 400 games but have made good profit in the 18 and 45 mans. I don't believe anyone that says that the 180s are the best way to build a roll. I noticed a sharkscope graph that shows Boku with a sick 2000 game downswing in the 180s. I mean, that is sure to cripple most casual players.

VERDICT: not enough edge in the 180 mans to make them worthwhile.

Maybe u need to play more or work on ur game. Most people are clueless about the finer points in playing 90 and 180man turbo sngs.

Personally I find them very easy to beat for steady profit. And variance can strike yeah but it isn't gonna be 2000 games at least not for me. Maybe 200 games break-even? Maybe 500? 2000 hell naw

if this boku guy broke even for 2k sngs or ended down after 2k of them he prolly just went off his game

if u don't believe me just sharkscope feel_iveys_nuts on ftp (90 man turbo sngs only), or asdf2000 on pokerstars (set the search to 180man turbos as I have played a wide variety of sngs on that name)

and I do know some other regs who play similar to me and have similar stats

why are you trying to help breaktwister?

he has such a big ego for someone who doesnt know anything about poker

On March 30 2010 13:11 MayZerG wrote: why are you trying to help breaktwister? he has such a big ego for someone who doesnt know anything about poker

You know nothing about what I do or don't know fish so stop making an idiot out of yourself with statements that purport that you do. I have been playing poker, primarily cash for a long time. I needed to rebuild a roll after buying a house and then a divorce and debts keeping me away from the game for over a year. I decided to try these SNG/MTT as lots of people were saying they are the best way to build a roll.

To asdf, I'll check those stats. I'll also post the 2000 game boku downswing graph - it was nowhere near breakeven, a constant sloop down worth thousands of $$$ in the $12 180mans. I mean, if such a run can happen to someone who obviously knows how to play then its evidence of just how bad the variance is in these.

I also seen a blog somewhere (if I've saved the link then I'll post it) of a pro player that has failed to win (1st place) in over 300 of these games. I'm gonna keep pluggin away cos my sample size is still small. I'll play at least 2000 before I make up my mind for sure.

This is boku's graph for the $12 180s for the last 12 months. Note the massive downer between 1000 games and 3000 games.

I checked your graph asdf and I'm impressed - well played man for those results/stats!

My general feeling towards these games is that I'm always losing key flips/beats when I dominate on or near the FT. I've used SNGWiz and I'm pretty confident that my play is better or as good as most of the field but as I'm not getting the results I'm thinking it may be beneficial to speak with a coach to see if there's anything I can do.

asdf - Your graph is so constantly rising that I wonder if there is a difference in skill levels between the key eurozone times and the USA times?

I don't think that when you play will give u a big edge in these, maybe a little one. I am pretty sure that when I tend to play isn't really optimal but I don't think it's that big of a deal. I tend to play in the morning the USA so I get late evening europe people and then later in my session it starts to become more USA people.

As for his downswing, I would expect he got thrown off his game a ton, it has happened to me in my own much smaller samples - it happens very easily if you are losing for too long. And when it does happen, it makes ur downswing a million times worse.

Thanks for the input asdf. Its good to actually communicate with a winning player and not just morons who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing.

I am down $380 over 450 games so its closer to breakeven than I thought. Ill keep plugging away for a few hundred more games before I start thinkin of a coach.

asdf i just checked you graph and its very good, but it isnt maintanable, you have obviously run well. You are yet to experience a long dry spell, now that may be due to your superior play and because boku multitables too much but i think variance is the biggest reason. Bokus first 1000 games were similar to yours and i bet if you said to him your next 2000 games will be breakeven he will take a similar stance to you and say there is no chance.

Now thats just my opinion, i got a negative roi of 11% on 11 dollar sit n goes, and would like some coaching if you manage to maintain the same roi for another 1000 games.

why the fk do u start every paragraph with fool and end it with retard breaktwister? thats what i do but i can actually back it up

you're a fking fish, be humble and try to learn

retard

fool,

Thanks for the input asdf. Its good to actually communicate with a winning player and not just morons who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing.

I am down $380 over 450 games so its closer to breakeven than I thought. Ill keep plugging away for a few hundred more games before I start thinkin of a coach.

I hope there are no mirrors in your house, you might accidentally strike up a conversation with one of those idiot know-it-alls you so heavily despise.

Retard.