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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 09 2010 06:53. Posts 119 | | |
My work has blocked most poker sites (but not this one so I cant get onto any pages to check this myself but on boku's blog http://10kpropbet.blogspot.com/
it says he played $6s, then onto $12 and $16s. The pricing of the SNGs seems strange - were these turbos he was playing?
If so how da hell does he consistantly cash in them? Let alone playing 50 of them at a time. Any turbo I've played with 18 men or more are big all-in donk fests as the blinds get so high relative to the average stack. |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Feb 09 2010 07:05. Posts 1585 | | |
yea he played turbos. He was playing 18 mans/45mans/180's usually at 2 diff levels together. like 3's+6's or 12's and 16's etc. |
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lol
he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 09 2010 07:11. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?
LOL ridiculous statement. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 09 2010 07:17. Posts 119 | | |
I stay away from turbos because it is just as easy for a terrible player to win them as it is for me. Preflop shoving poker where everyone has medium/short stacks only benefits the fish must be more high variance than regular games.
I was surprised to hear that he played turbos with such a high ROI expectation.
Saying that, I have never played turbos in any kind of volume. Just seems a lot like 'gambling' to me compared to regular games.
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Feb 09 2010 07:30. Posts 1585 | | |
Well in turbos if you are good push/fold and put in volume u should be +eV... Especially at the micro levels where your getting called off by hands that should be folding to you. And people folding to you when your shoving any 2 cards into them
edit- I actually attempthed the boku thing one time. I had 1 50 table session at those stakes. Ended up breaking even or slightly -. But it was really insane and I know i missed atleast 30 shoves. So dunno how he was doing it for 10 hours everyday. |
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acdawg712   United States. Feb 09 2010 07:51. Posts 2639 | | |
ppl play ridiculously bad in these turbos. People fold when they should never fold and have terrible calling ranges and exploitable shoving ranges. You can destroy the bubble in these. |
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Drakk   Canada. Feb 09 2010 08:06. Posts 1199 | | |
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pluzich   . Feb 09 2010 10:36. Posts 828 | | |
"donkfest" is largely +EV with high variance. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 09 2010 11:03. Posts 119 | | |
I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise.
Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance. |
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traxamillion   United States. Feb 09 2010 13:32. Posts 10468 | | |
??? wtf is this
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CCMoz   United Kingdom. Feb 09 2010 16:28. Posts 925 | | |
is there more value in folding and waiting for hands down to say 6bbs
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shoving wide once you get to 10bbs or less and expect lots of very bad calls? |
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mnj   United States. Feb 09 2010 19:33. Posts 3848 | | |
| On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:
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lol
he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?
LOL ridiculous statement.
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AznFisherman   United States. Feb 09 2010 20:59. Posts 956 | | |
there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos
people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 06:52. Posts 119 | | |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 06:57. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote:
there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos
people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off
plus non-turbos take too long |
Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time.
This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense. |
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| On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:
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he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?
LOL ridiculous statement.
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yea that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying
if you are good at push-fold then playing $12 180 man turbos is probably the easiest way to build a bankroll from $1000 to $10000. there are SO MANY PEOPLE in those tourneys that make ridiculously horrible folds allll the time. yes if you play 10 of them it's completely luck dependant, but that's why good online sitngo players play 20+ at the same time.. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 07:01. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 09 2010 18:33 mnj wrote:
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| On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?
LOL ridiculous statement.
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Yawn - worst post ever fish. You make no argument or say anything substantive at all. Do you think that people fold too much in turbos? Not in my experience. You can rarely push someone off a hand as there is so little postflop play. Its preflop wide-range donk poker at its worst, people pushing with wide ranges and getting called by wide ranges = luckfest. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 07:10. Posts 119 | | |
Maybe Im just pissed cos I run bad at turbos? LOL!
Im definately going to try some more of them if they are as exploitable as people seem to say on here. I just think I have a bigger advantage in the regular games for the reasons I have stated above.
I seem to recall on boku's blog that he failed to cash in 200 games in a row. But he said that he had about 80-100 buyins for each level. I don't know how he didn't busto then. Failing to cash in 200 games is sick sick variance. |
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Currency   New Zealand. Feb 10 2010 07:20. Posts 618 | | |
he plays like 500 a day, he is fucking crazy
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 07:32. Posts 119 | | |
Yeah, if he plays 50 at a time and has 100 buyins for each level then half his bankroll is in play at any one time. Failing to cash in 100 games in a row means that your busto. |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Feb 10 2010 07:41. Posts 1585 | | |
| On February 10 2010 06:01 breaktwister wrote:
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| On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:
| On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
lol
he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. |
So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?
LOL ridiculous statement.
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Yawn - worst post ever fish. You make no argument or say anything substantive at all. Do you think that people fold too much in turbos? Not in my experience. You can rarely push someone off a hand as there is so little postflop play. Its preflop wide-range donk poker at its worst, people pushing with wide ranges and getting called by wide ranges = luckfest. |
well ive played 8k sngs and im tellign u they fold to much.Don't get me wrong there is a pretty high variance in these. BUt theres variance in all poker. mtt's prolly being the most |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 07:42. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 10 2010 05:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
if you are good at push-fold then playing $12 180 man turbos is probably the easiest way to build a bankroll from $1000 to $10000. there are SO MANY PEOPLE in those tourneys that make ridiculously horrible folds allll the time. yes if you play 10 of them it's completely luck dependant, but that's why good online sitngo players play 20+ at the same time.. |
I understand what you are saying, its the quality of the player thats important though, not the actual type of game.
My roll is sittin at exactly $1K, I have built it up playing DoNs and over the last few days have seen all daily profit wiped out by trying the turbos and failing to cash in any. And before anyone suggests it, I do know how to play push/call, low M poker. Just seems like a lot of luck to me compared to say the 27 man regulars which I'm crushing at over 180% ROI.
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player999   Brasil. Feb 10 2010 07:47. Posts 7978 | | |
stop embarassing yourself breaktwister... if a lot of players that are better than you say turbo > regular, dont say they're wrong, just ask why they are right...
and the answer is, you can get a higher ROI at the regular games maybe but with turbos you can play at least twice as much games therefore your $/hr is gonna be a lot bigger
and also push/fold is not a luckfest, ppl play their hands differently, some ppl shove/call way too many hands others fold way too many, the better balanced players will win on the long run obv |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 07:48. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 10 2010 06:41 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
well ive played 8k sngs and im tellign u they fold to much.Don't get me wrong there is a pretty high variance in these. BUt theres variance in all poker. mtt's prolly being the most |
Yea, I havent played that many turbos as failing to cash was pissing me off. I'll obviously accept what an experienced player like yourself says. I'm not going to give up on them yet! |
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player999   Brasil. Feb 10 2010 07:50. Posts 7978 | | |
oh and lower rake, specially at DoNs (since its half) makes the turbos MUCH better
you probably underestimate rake if you play regular dons |
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player999   Brasil. Feb 10 2010 07:53. Posts 7978 | | |
Let's say you have 10% ROI on those DoNs. If you played the turbos with only like 3-4% ROI you already would make more $/hr |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 08:00. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 10 2010 06:47 player999 wrote:
stop embarassing yourself breaktwister... if a lot of players that are better than you say turbo > regular, dont say they're wrong, just ask why they are right...
and the answer is, you can get a higher ROI at the regular games maybe but with turbos you can play at least twice as much games therefore your $/hr is gonna be a lot bigger
and also push/fold is not a luckfest, ppl play their hands differently, some ppl shove/call way too many hands others fold way too many, the better balanced players will win on the long run obv |
I'm not saying you are wrong, or anybody that says turbos > reg games are wrong. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that there is clearly more luck involved in a shorter tournament where the blinds increase faster. I think everyone agrees on this given the numerous posts about the variance involved in turbos.
I see what you are saying about the $/hr. I'm just used to cashing more regularly in the DoNs/reg games.
The overwhelming opinion is that turbos > regs for a good player in the long run and therefore I'm going to have to put more volume into the turbos.
This kind of info is why I posted in the first place as I couldn't see why a good player would prefer a shorter tournament that involved less postflop play and more luck. Now I know its cos the players playing them are so bad. Thanks guys! |
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player999   Brasil. Feb 10 2010 08:08. Posts 7978 | | |
where you see "luck" we just see variance |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 10 2010 08:09. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 10 2010 06:50 player999 wrote:
oh and lower rake, specially at DoNs (since its half) makes the turbos MUCH better
you probably underestimate rake if you play regular dons |
I started playing the turbo DoNs last nite and didnt find much difference in how they are played as its all about who is the short stack on the bubble.
Pretty stupid of me to not notice that the rake in these games was lower before now, this coupled with this fact that the bubble comes sooner clearly makes these +EV.
I've been playing poker for quite a while and I think I've always had an aversion to 'turbo' games as requiring more short-term luck, with whole tables of players with low Ms being forced to make moves. Change of mindset required. |
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vltava   United States. Feb 10 2010 15:57. Posts 1742 | | |
I've played 23k SNG's, consistently winning and making a worthwhile hourly rate. Used to play regular, was scared by extra variance in turbos, but switched to turbo somewhere early on. It's all about the hourly rate. Your individual ROI per table must certainly be lower at turbos than at regular, but a strong player should certainly have enough of an edge that the turbos are still more profitable. A typical marginal winner would be better off sticking to regular. |
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vltava   United States. Feb 10 2010 16:00. Posts 1742 | | |
| On February 10 2010 06:42 breaktwister wrote:
And before anyone suggests it, I do know how to play push/call, low M poker.
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No offense, but probably not remotely close to as well as you think you do. This applies to most non-SNG players, and many winning SNG players as well. I have to humble myself a lot and constantly work on my game, and many top players regularly question themselves too. |
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Feb 10 2010 20:36. Posts 3810 | | |
applus, oranges, there are succesfull players in all brackets.
Because if u really look into it what u should be playing is HUSNG. eh eh. |
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AznFisherman   United States. Feb 11 2010 03:42. Posts 956 | | |
| On February 10 2010 05:57 breaktwister wrote:
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On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote:
there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos
people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off
plus non-turbos take too long |
Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time.
This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense.
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No but they don't like to waste their time |
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Feb 11 2010 12:48. Posts 3810 | | |
| On February 10 2010 05:57 breaktwister wrote:
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On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote:
there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos
people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off
plus non-turbos take too long |
Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time.
This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense.
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actually thats exactly it. u dont have any egde postflop in 1.5k starting stack donkaments. |
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BJLTNYK   United States. Feb 11 2010 19:26. Posts 1226 | | |
why did i open this fucking thread...such nonsense itt |
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vltava   United States. Feb 11 2010 22:53. Posts 1742 | | |
Also, if your ROI at 27's is 180%, your sample size must be trivial. That is an order of magnitude greater than what is sustainable. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 15 2010 05:51. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 11 2010 21:53 vltava wrote:
Also, if your ROI at 27's is 180%, your sample size must be trivial. That is an order of magnitude greater than what is sustainable. |
Yes, it is trivial as I havent yet put much volume into any one particular game.
I think everyone agrees that a good player can achieve a higher ROI in regular games but that a lower ROI coupled with higher volume at turbos = > $ per hour.
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Mierzwix   . Feb 15 2010 09:48. Posts 128 | | |
when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded... |
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player999   Brasil. Feb 15 2010 11:32. Posts 7978 | | |
| On February 15 2010 08:48 Mierzwix wrote:
when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded... |
Actually, it does make a difference, and you are the retard here. |
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vltava   United States. Feb 15 2010 17:15. Posts 1742 | | |
Mierzwix: Suppose we bet on a coin toss and you give me slightly better money odds. Is my ROI the same regardless of the number times we flip?
If you are a winning player, you have an edge. But the longer the blinds take to get to forcing every player all-in every hand, the higher your edge is. |
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Twisted   Netherlands. Feb 15 2010 18:35. Posts 10422 | | |
Or, you know, poker 101: the one who makes the most mistakes loses.
More decisions in a hand lead to more mistakes when players are bad, thus situations where the stacks are deeper favour the better player. That's why ROI in deeper tournaments (regular SNG's) should be higher than in shortstacked tournaments (turbo SNG's), simply because there are more decisions to be made. |
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KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Feb 15 2010 19:48. Posts 1687 | | |
| On February 15 2010 16:15 vltava wrote:
Mierzwix: Suppose we bet on a coin toss and you give me slightly better money odds. Is my ROI the same regardless of the number times we flip?
If you are a winning player, you have an edge. But the longer the blinds take to get to forcing every player all-in every hand, the higher your edge is. |
yes but you get more turbo's in in the same time..
If I said lets give you 60/40 on a flip but we only flip 10 times a day
Or I said lets give you 57/53 on a flip but we flip 50 times a day
What would you choose?
What really has the most variance if properly rolled? and by variance i mean time variance really, you'll be on 'downswings' for longer esp when mtts aren't lets give you 60/40 on a flip but we'll give you 180/1 on a 90/1 chance of happening 20 times a day or 180/1 on a 110/1 chance of happening 100 times a day |
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KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Feb 15 2010 19:51. Posts 1687 | | |
if i had one tournament to play with 1000 complete donks i'd rather the stacks be 50k deep with blinds going up like every 6 hours if it was like a million dollar buyin or w/e
If you're just playing low stakes sngs if you can actually play you're far more ev in the turbo's where you can get more volume in, theres just no doubt about that. This is assuming you can actually play though and aren't just out-tighting people cos that doesn't work in turbo's so good. |
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vltava   United States. Feb 16 2010 21:02. Posts 1742 | | |
KeyleK, I know. Read the thread. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 17 2010 10:07. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 15 2010 08:48 Mierzwix wrote:
when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded... |
Turbos are purely low M poker, whereas with the reg games the extra playing time at the beginning gives a good player a better chance to build a nice stack. Clearly going into bubble situations with a bigger stack (which is what generally happens with good players in reg games compared to turbos) will affect your ROI.
Retard. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 17 2010 10:13. Posts 119 | | |
UPDATE:
Im quite enjoying the turbo experience. I've been playing turbo SNG exclusively over the last week. Playing around 40 $6.50s per day (18, 45 and 90s) with ROI at 28% (dont have access to the actual stats as I'm in work). Yet to cash in the $7.70 180 mans but it'll only be a matter of time.
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Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 17 2010 11:52. Posts 7042 | | |
| On February 09 2010 10:03 breaktwister wrote:
I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise.
Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance. |
How can you pick off yourself?
People have explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and yet you keep arguing.
Edit: Well at least you listened to reason finally. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 18 2010 06:46. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 17 2010 10:52 Bejamin1 wrote:
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I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise.
Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance. |
How can you pick off yourself?
People have explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and yet you keep arguing.
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What are you talking about fool? I posted that early in the thread simply detailing why I have always preferred regular games to turbos. (Mainly a cash player in past and not played serious volumes of SNGs)
You call me a fish because of this? Wish I had a roll to challenge you to HU. Nothing worse than a dickhead who comes on forums calling other people fish without knowing anything whatsoever about them or how they play.
Retard. |
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blackjacki2   United States. Feb 18 2010 13:48. Posts 2582 | | |
It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft |
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daysare   Poland. Feb 19 2010 02:22. Posts 670 | | |
I believe breaktwister is a troll. If not, it's even better as it would be an ultimate proof that games ain't dead yet |
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whamm!   Albania. Feb 19 2010 05:39. Posts 11625 | | |
jeez another "im a gosu sc player and will defend my honour thread"?
humility is also a skill in poker that will get you through the extremely rough patches |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 19 2010 08:56. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 19 2010 01:22 daysare wrote:
I believe breaktwister is a troll. If not, it's even better as it would be an ultimate proof that games ain't dead yet |
The games certainly ain't dead yet. They are alive-alive-o. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 19 2010 08:57. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 18 2010 12:48 blackjacki2 wrote:
It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft |
No idea what you're talking about here. Posted in wrong thread? |
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blackjacki2   United States. Feb 19 2010 18:36. Posts 2582 | | |
| On February 19 2010 07:57 breaktwister wrote:
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It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft |
No idea what you're talking about here. Posted in wrong thread?
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blackjacki2   United States. Feb 20 2010 11:35. Posts 2582 | | |
Boku is shortstacking PLO25 atm ;o |
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BrTarolg   United Kingdom. Feb 21 2010 21:33. Posts 37 | | |
The reason why these get played (other than the fact that back in boku's day, the fields were MUCH softer and the edge much higher) is because there is no faster way to build up your roll than 20 tabling 180 man turbo
I think short of scoring massively in MTT's or running like an absolute sicko in PLO this is by far the fastest and most consistent way to build your roll up
Ofc swings are huge, 100 BI downswings are not uncommon (ive had two)
Back in the day 100% ROI was possible in these, now my estimates are about 60-70% max in the 2.20s and maybe 30-40 in the 12's if you restrict yourself to playing at peak eurozone times and play 100% on each table (so no more than 20-25 tables at once, though gl getting more than 15 of the 12's going at one time) |
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Feb 21 2010 21:53. Posts 3810 | | |
random made up roi figures ftw |
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BrTarolg   United Kingdom. Feb 21 2010 22:14. Posts 37 | | |
| On February 21 2010 20:53 SfydjkLm wrote:
random made up roi figures ftw |
Sources from : wisdom thread in 2+2
MTT community thread on 12/roi
I guess you could say nobody has a big enough sample to see (some people commented that ROI's today are different from ROI's a 6 months ago, and nobody has a sample size big enough wiithin that timeframe to compare)
The 2's is a pretty made up figure just from my personal experience there. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Feb 23 2010 07:28. Posts 119 | | |
I cant get onto 2+2 from work but I was briefly on it last weekend and some posters were saying that these $12 180's were dead, that there is no edge in playing them any longer. Strange as I thought that bokus achievements would have brought a lot of fish to those games.
I've played around 20 $12 180s over the last few days and failed to cash in any. Luckily Ive made profit in the 18s and 45s and the lower buyin 180s so am breaking even but losing over 20BI in the 180s is crap. I failed to cash in about 10 of the $7 180s but then FT'd 3 in a row. I know this is normal variance for these games but it still sucks to have to drop down to the 6s because of failing to cash. A 100BI downswing at the $12s will wipe me out.
If the $12 180s are attracting better players then I can easily see why it can get hard to FT. Even in optimum conditions (Vs a field of fish) you still need to win a number of flips/hands were you only have a slight edge to get deep.
Im just wondering if the extremely high variance coupled with better competition (apparantly) means that these are no longer the best way to build a roll?
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MayZerG   United Kingdom. Feb 23 2010 07:59. Posts 2123 | | |
lol @ better competition in $12 SNGs |
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BrTarolg   United Kingdom. Feb 23 2010 23:34. Posts 37 | | |
Usually ends up all the fish go out quickly and you pick up chips, and then its common to see 4-5 regs on the FT
Still different levels of regs, you just spot them and play a strategy which beats their fundamental one so its fine |
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goose58   United States. Feb 25 2010 14:13. Posts 871 | | |
i hope you go broke and have to suck dick to get staked |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Feb 25 2010 15:47. Posts 1585 | | |
12 180's are filled with regs now but they definitely arent dead |
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Feb 25 2010 21:52. Posts 3810 | | |
| On February 23 2010 06:28 breaktwister wrote:
A 100BI downswing at the $12s will wipe me out.
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 01 2010 08:14. Posts 119 | | |
| On February 25 2010 13:13 goose58 wrote:
i hope you go broke and have to suck dick to get staked |
We are not all like you dicksucking fag lover. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 01 2010 08:20. Posts 119 | | |
I noticed that a bunch of the 2+2ers had some competition going throughout Feb to see how much they could make over 500 games of the $12 180 men.
What I meant by my earlier post about 'better' competition is that as the blinds get bigger you are relying on people having poor push/call ranges for your edge. But if there are 20 regs that know what they are doing in the field then you don't have that much of an edge really.
Saying that, I managed to bink one last week and have moved up to mainly $12 games and the $16 18 mans. |
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BrTarolg   United Kingdom. Mar 26 2010 06:02. Posts 37 | | |
Its more than 20 regs per field lol
The skill level of regs varies a fair amount
The edge is there, but practise some game selection and play easier games ihmo |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 30 2010 12:42. Posts 119 | | |
After playing these turbos for 6-7 weeks now constantly I have to say that the variance in the 180s sucks so much ass. Certainly, they are a far cry from the original Boku challenge of $100-$10K in a week or wotever. I would say that such a challenge is impossible to replicate now.
I'll repeat again, in a regular MTT your edge is so much bigger as you have time to pick spots for most of the tournament. In these 180man turbos you are forced to take lots of flips and of course you only need 1 to go against you and your crippled or bust. On top of surviving key flips you actually have to find some cards/weak opponents in the FT to get into the top 3 and get a decent return.
I have a negative ROI over 400 games but have made good profit in the 18 and 45 mans. I don't believe anyone that says that the 180s are the best way to build a roll. I noticed a sharkscope graph that shows Boku with a sick 2000 game downswing in the 180s. I mean, that is sure to cripple most casual players.
VERDICT: not enough edge in the 180 mans to make them worthwhile. |
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asdf2000   United States. Mar 30 2010 12:50. Posts 7695 | | |
Maybe u need to play more or work on ur game. Most people are clueless about the finer points in playing 90 and 180man turbo sngs.
Personally I find them very easy to beat for steady profit. And variance can strike yeah but it isn't gonna be 2000 games at least not for me. Maybe 200 games break-even? Maybe 500? 2000 hell naw
if this boku guy broke even for 2k sngs or ended down after 2k of them he prolly just went off his game
if u don't believe me just sharkscope feel_iveys_nuts on ftp (90 man turbo sngs only), or asdf2000 on pokerstars (set the search to 180man turbos as I have played a wide variety of sngs on that name)
and I do know some other regs who play similar to me and have similar stats |
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MayZerG   United Kingdom. Mar 30 2010 14:11. Posts 2123 | | |
why are you trying to help breaktwister?
he has such a big ego for someone who doesnt know anything about poker |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 31 2010 09:01. Posts 119 | | |
| On March 30 2010 13:11 MayZerG wrote:
why are you trying to help breaktwister?
he has such a big ego for someone who doesnt know anything about poker |
You know nothing about what I do or don't know fish so stop making an idiot out of yourself with statements that purport that you do. I have been playing poker, primarily cash for a long time. I needed to rebuild a roll after buying a house and then a divorce and debts keeping me away from the game for over a year. I decided to try these SNG/MTT as lots of people were saying they are the best way to build a roll.
To asdf, I'll check those stats. I'll also post the 2000 game boku downswing graph - it was nowhere near breakeven, a constant sloop down worth thousands of $$$ in the $12 180mans. I mean, if such a run can happen to someone who obviously knows how to play then its evidence of just how bad the variance is in these.
I also seen a blog somewhere (if I've saved the link then I'll post it) of a pro player that has failed to win (1st place) in over 300 of these games. I'm gonna keep pluggin away cos my sample size is still small. I'll play at least 2000 before I make up my mind for sure. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 31 2010 15:31. Posts 119 | | |
This is boku's graph for the $12 180s for the last 12 months. Note the massive downer between 1000 games and 3000 games.
I checked your graph asdf and I'm impressed - well played man for those results/stats!
My general feeling towards these games is that I'm always losing key flips/beats when I dominate on or near the FT. I've used SNGWiz and I'm pretty confident that my play is better or as good as most of the field but as I'm not getting the results I'm thinking it may be beneficial to speak with a coach to see if there's anything I can do.
asdf - Your graph is so constantly rising that I wonder if there is a difference in skill levels between the key eurozone times and the USA times?
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asdf2000   United States. Mar 31 2010 18:40. Posts 7695 | | |
I don't think that when you play will give u a big edge in these, maybe a little one. I am pretty sure that when I tend to play isn't really optimal but I don't think it's that big of a deal. I tend to play in the morning the USA so I get late evening europe people and then later in my session it starts to become more USA people.
As for his downswing, I would expect he got thrown off his game a ton, it has happened to me in my own much smaller samples - it happens very easily if you are losing for too long. And when it does happen, it makes ur downswing a million times worse. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Mar 31 2010 19:19. Posts 119 | | |
Thanks for the input asdf. Its good to actually communicate with a winning player and not just morons who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing.
I am down $380 over 450 games so its closer to breakeven than I thought. Ill keep plugging away for a few hundred more games before I start thinkin of a coach. |
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Robinson47   United Kingdom. Apr 01 2010 09:46. Posts 992 | | |
asdf i just checked you graph and its very good, but it isnt maintanable, you have obviously run well. You are yet to experience a long dry spell, now that may be due to your superior play and because boku multitables too much but i think variance is the biggest reason. Bokus first 1000 games were similar to yours and i bet if you said to him your next 2000 games will be breakeven he will take a similar stance to you and say there is no chance.
Now thats just my opinion, i got a negative roi of 11% on 11 dollar sit n goes, and would like some coaching if you manage to maintain the same roi for another 1000 games. |
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FrinkX   United States. Apr 04 2010 12:50. Posts 7561 | | |
why the fk do u start every paragraph with fool and end it with retard breaktwister? thats what i do but i can actually back it up
you're a fking fish, be humble and try to learn
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FrinkX   United States. Apr 04 2010 12:53. Posts 7561 | | |
fool,
| Thanks for the input asdf. Its good to actually communicate with a winning player and not just morons who think they know everything and everyone else knows nothing. |
| I am down $380 over 450 games so its closer to breakeven than I thought. Ill keep plugging away for a few hundred more games before I start thinkin of a coach. |
I hope there are no mirrors in your house, you might accidentally strike up a conversation with one of those idiot know-it-alls you so heavily despise.
Retard. |
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Mierzwix   . Apr 05 2010 05:22. Posts 128 | | |
| On March 30 2010 11:50 asdf2000 wrote:
Maybe u need to play more or work on ur game. Most people are clueless about the finer points in playing 90 and 180man turbo sngs.
Personally I find them very easy to beat for steady profit. And variance can strike yeah but it isn't gonna be 2000 games at least not for me. Maybe 200 games break-even? Maybe 500? 2000 hell naw
if this boku guy broke even for 2k sngs or ended down after 2k of them he prolly just went off his game
if u don't believe me just sharkscope feel_iveys_nuts on ftp (90 man turbo sngs only), or asdf2000 on pokerstars (set the search to 180man turbos as I have played a wide variety of sngs on that name)
and I do know some other regs who play similar to me and have similar stats |
U played only sth like 3-4k sits so i think you don't have experience in being suck outed in 30 180mans in a row before final table. You should better look at "Pepiv" graph-this graph really impress me |
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Chewits   United Kingdom. Apr 05 2010 08:20. Posts 2539 | | |
| On April 05 2010 04:22 Mierzwix wrote:
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On March 30 2010 11:50 asdf2000 wrote:
Maybe u need to play more or work on ur game. Most people are clueless about the finer points in playing 90 and 180man turbo sngs.
Personally I find them very easy to beat for steady profit. And variance can strike yeah but it isn't gonna be 2000 games at least not for me. Maybe 200 games break-even? Maybe 500? 2000 hell naw
if this boku guy broke even for 2k sngs or ended down after 2k of them he prolly just went off his game
if u don't believe me just sharkscope feel_iveys_nuts on ftp (90 man turbo sngs only), or asdf2000 on pokerstars (set the search to 180man turbos as I have played a wide variety of sngs on that name)
and I do know some other regs who play similar to me and have similar stats |
U played only sth like 3-4k sits so i think you don't have experience in being suck outed in 30 180mans in a row before final table. You should better look at "Pepiv" graph-this graph really impress me
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If you are getting "sucked out" in 30 180mans in a row before the final table, I am pretty confident that you are completely clueless and have no idea what the meaning of suck out is. |
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Mierzwix   . Apr 05 2010 11:18. Posts 128 | | |
| On April 05 2010 07:20 Chewits wrote:
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On April 05 2010 04:22 Mierzwix wrote:
| On March 30 2010 11:50 asdf2000 wrote:
Maybe u need to play more or work on ur game. Most people are clueless about the finer points in playing 90 and 180man turbo sngs.
Personally I find them very easy to beat for steady profit. And variance can strike yeah but it isn't gonna be 2000 games at least not for me. Maybe 200 games break-even? Maybe 500? 2000 hell naw
if this boku guy broke even for 2k sngs or ended down after 2k of them he prolly just went off his game
if u don't believe me just sharkscope feel_iveys_nuts on ftp (90 man turbo sngs only), or asdf2000 on pokerstars (set the search to 180man turbos as I have played a wide variety of sngs on that name)
and I do know some other regs who play similar to me and have similar stats |
U played only sth like 3-4k sits so i think you don't have experience in being suck outed in 30 180mans in a row before final table. You should better look at "Pepiv" graph-this graph really impress me
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If you are getting "sucked out" in 30 180mans in a row before the final table, I am pretty confident that you are completely clueless and have no idea what the meaning of suck out is. |
No, i am pretty confident that you don't know what the word "downswing" on these 180s max means |
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8dyb8   Poland. Apr 05 2010 12:10. Posts 8 | | |
i am too lazy to look up a graph but if its true that some guy played 3-4k games @ 12/180 and is bragging with his results - L.O.L, that isnt even a decent sample for 9/18mans, doomswitch awaits you, be prepared. |
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asdf2000   United States. Apr 05 2010 12:51. Posts 7695 | | |
I wasn't bragging you dipshit, and my sample is less than 4k games but 4k games WOULD be a decent sample ur just retarded
no, it wouldn't be a definitive sample at all, but it would be highly representative
P.S: 4k 9man sngs is a ton I don't know what dimension u live in
And just so I cover my bases - I was never claiming my ROI would stay that high (in fact I have said the opposite I am sure it will go down over time). I was just making a point. |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 05 2010 19:33. Posts 1585 | | |
I dunno it kinda depends asdf. A lot of 180 grinders can do 4k in a month and you can definitely run way below avg in 4k games in 180's. I know what you mean though with 4k games you can definitely get some kind of idea of there game. |
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asdf2000   United States. Apr 05 2010 19:49. Posts 7695 | | |
well there is also a fact that u cannot get as big of an edge when u play more tables. less tables = can observe more = bigger edge
anyone that plays 4k 180s in a month (jesus people do that?) must play a shit ton of tables
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 06 2010 00:15. Posts 1585 | | |
yea I mean I dunno if the majority of people can do it. But there a some sick 30+ tablers out there. Look at woodbrave he does it. |
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Qyvs!   Poland. Apr 06 2010 07:45. Posts 190 | | |
asdf2000 - I don't think 4000 is a big sample for 180.
I don't remember the exact calculations I made, but playing 10% ROI 9-man you'd need 2K SNG's.
Obviously 10% ROI when heavily multitabling isn't possible anymore ( maybe at a real low stakes ), so @ mid -stakes you'll get like 3-6% - then the long-run would be around 6-7K.
When you increase the field from 9 players to 180, and let's say you can get 10% ROI in the long-run (alto last time i played them i had 7 supernovas on my table) you would need more than 30K games (I think I arrived with my calculations at like 34K). 5% was sth like 90K games.
That's why a lot of people fell in love with them, and some people hate them. Swings are vast. For some people it would take 2+ years to arrive at a long-run sample grinding 50 a day.
So yea, 4000K could be a downer, a heater - or somehere in between. |
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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 06 2010 18:32. Posts 7180 | | |
| On April 06 2010 06:45 Qyvs! wrote:
asdf2000 - I don't think 4000 is a big sample for 180.
I don't remember the exact calculations I made, but playing 10% ROI 9-man you'd need 2K SNG's.
Obviously 10% ROI when heavily multitabling isn't possible anymore ( maybe at a real low stakes ), so @ mid -stakes you'll get like 3-6% - then the long-run would be around 6-7K.
When you increase the field from 9 players to 180, and let's say you can get 10% ROI in the long-run (alto last time i played them i had 7 supernovas on my table) you would need more than 30K games (I think I arrived with my calculations at like 34K). 5% was sth like 90K games.
That's why a lot of people fell in love with them, and some people hate them. Swings are vast. For some people it would take 2+ years to arrive at a long-run sample grinding 50 a day.
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i guess there is one K too many in your post
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 09 2010 06:36. Posts 119 | | |
| On April 04 2010 11:50 FrinkX wrote:
why the fk do u start every paragraph with fool and end it with retard breaktwister? thats what i do but i can actually back it up
you're a fking fish, be humble and try to learn
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Where have you backed it up asshole? Your posts are like something a 16 year old would write. Absolutely no content, you boring brainless spastic.
And LOL at you for trying to ridicule my statement about 'closer to breakeven than I thought' - I'm losing less than $1 per game over the 400 odd games, compare that to the losses I posted from boku's graph over the 2K games.
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 09 2010 07:11. Posts 119 | | |
Sorry about the post above for those that are trying to contribute to the thread but I had to respond to that wanker FrinkX.
The more I play these, the more I'm surprised that so called 'pro' players play them. It is clear that there is very little edge in them compared to what can be found in cash games. I have played with some of the best regs in my timezone (I've checked on sharkscope) and they don't do anything special.
There is just too much luck involved in these. And I mean LUCK, not variance. The term 'variance' can be applied to results of individual hands over a period of time, but not individual tournaments which obviously comprise of a number of key hands which you have to win in succession, and be lucky to do so. The probability of you winning four 50/50 flips in a row is 0.0625. And this does not even consider the times you are 70-80% fav and lose.
I started to play these games as I heard there was a big edge in them for a good player. I simply don't think this is the case. I am struggling at the minute to see where the value is playing a large sample of these just to conclude that you need to be play good ICM poker, know who is playing this also, but above all else be a complete and utter fucking luckbox. |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 09 2010 09:06. Posts 1585 | | |
your obv wrong when theres people who are huge winners over 20k++ sample sizes |
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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 09 2010 15:00. Posts 7180 | | |
| On April 09 2010 05:36 breaktwister wrote:
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On April 04 2010 11:50 FrinkX wrote:
why the fk do u start every paragraph with fool and end it with retard breaktwister? thats what i do but i can actually back it up
you're a fking fish, be humble and try to learn
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Where have you backed it up asshole? Your posts are like something a 16 year old would write. Absolutely no content, you boring brainless spastic.
And LOL at you for trying to ridicule my statement about 'closer to breakeven than I thought' - I'm losing less than $1 per game over the 400 odd games, compare that to the losses I posted from boku's graph over the 2K games.
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@ breaktwister
Frinkx has won more than 300K in Tournaments online and live ( Yeha 300.000$+)
And being down 380$ after 450 12$ games isnt even close to breakeven .....
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daysare   Poland. Apr 09 2010 16:06. Posts 670 | | |
so what?300k is nothing, that is just pure LUCK, not even variance. FrinkXs a retard since he disagrees with breaktwister whose theoretical understanding of the game is simply outstanding |
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Zep   United States. Apr 10 2010 00:32. Posts 2292 | | |
| On April 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:
Sorry about the post above for those that are trying to contribute to the thread but I had to respond to that wanker FrinkX.
The more I play these, the more I'm surprised that so called 'pro' players play them. It is clear that there is very little edge in them compared to what can be found in cash games. I have played with some of the best regs in my timezone (I've checked on sharkscope) and they don't do anything special.
There is just too much luck involved in these. And I mean LUCK, not variance. The term 'variance' can be applied to results of individual hands over a period of time, but not individual tournaments which obviously comprise of a number of key hands which you have to win in succession, and be lucky to do so. The probability of you winning four 50/50 flips in a row is 0.0625. And this does not even consider the times you are 70-80% fav and lose.
I started to play these games as I heard there was a big edge in them for a good player. I simply don't think this is the case. I am struggling at the minute to see where the value is playing a large sample of these just to conclude that you need to be play good ICM poker, know who is playing this also, but above all else be a complete and utter fucking luckbox. |
I would really like to hear more from breaktwister. This guy clearly has tournament poker on lock down...i mean why would anyone invest in a game with high variance?
I mean i seriously cannot believe that there are idiots out there who actually think like this. I wouldn't recommend you ever attending college, and if you are in college, stay away from economics and business. Im honestly afraid for your health that econ 101 might blow your mind. |
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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 11 2010 16:05. Posts 7180 | | |
breaktwister where art thou ?
updates plz |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 12 2010 09:19. Posts 119 | | |
Just seen the posts there now. Obviously no point in responding to the people who want to fuck FrinkX cos he's won some tourns.
He came on this thread mouthin off like he knows everything about poker and calling me a fish cos I'm tryin to learn and have a discussion about these turbos.
No time for wankers like him.
And to Zep - talkin about college and shit. LOL at you, I've already commented on how stupid it is for people to come on making assumptions about SOMETHING THEY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. I'm not a college kid - I have an honours degree and am self-employed. I know about economics and business. Sounds like your the college kid taking about your economics class. You have an awful lot to learn about making assumptions based on zero knowledge. If you could actually read you would find out that I was simply comparing the edge in these turbos to that I generally find in cash games.
But no - the art of turbo obviously makes one a top class poker player.
For those that are actually interested in the content of the thread and not just some idiots trying to make out they know everything, I'm going to go ahead and play at least 2K games and maybe post up some graphs shortly.
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 12 2010 09:41. Posts 119 | | |
| On April 09 2010 14:00 PplusAD wrote:
And being down 380$ after 450 12$ games isnt even close to breakeven .....
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I disagree.
It obviously depends on what your definition of 'close' is. In a high variance game like this, being down an amount less than that which you can win in a single game is 'close to breakeven' IMO.
But whatever, if you think it 'isn't even close' you must be right cos your Frinks bumboy.
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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 12 2010 10:35. Posts 7180 | | |
So if i am down 5000$ in the 3$ rebuy i am close to breakeven since i might actually win it one time ?
If i am down 30K over 40K SNGS i am breakeven , cause its less than a dollar per game ? |
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Chobo1   Thailand. Apr 12 2010 11:04. Posts 287 | | |
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Chobo1   Thailand. Apr 12 2010 11:17. Posts 287 | | |
this is whilst continuously 20 tabling..
oh and i want to point out that i really really suck at SNGs for the amount of time i've put into them >_<
too bad i spent all my money whilst living the good life here in thailand.
anyone wanna throw me some cash so i can go back to playing them?
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 12 2010 14:03. Posts 119 | | |
Nice graph Chobo - wait for the swoong. Also, nice to see you can win just under 500 by playing 0 games. Nice skillz. |
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breaktwister   United Kingdom. Apr 12 2010 14:13. Posts 119 | | |
| On April 12 2010 09:35 PplusAD wrote:
So if i am down 5000$ in the 3$ rebuy i am close to breakeven since i might actually win it one time ?
If i am down 30K over 40K SNGS i am breakeven , cause its less than a dollar per game ? |
You will find that I referred to 'games like these' meaning the $12 180s or something of very similar structure. Not being over 1000 buyins down in some $3 MTT.
Is being down 30k close to breakeven?? LOL - If your going to attempt a flame at least make sure you have a semi-sensible argument. |
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Chobo1   Thailand. Apr 12 2010 18:01. Posts 287 | | |
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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 12 2010 21:56. Posts 2132 | | |
hahaha, die |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 12 2010 23:23. Posts 8648 | | |
| On April 12 2010 10:17 Chobo1 wrote:
this is whilst continuously 20 tabling..
oh and i want to point out that i really really suck at SNGs for the amount of time i've put into them >_<
too bad i spent all my money whilst living the good life here in thailand.
anyone wanna throw me some cash so i can go back to playing them? |
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Chobo1   Thailand. Apr 12 2010 23:36. Posts 287 | | |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 13 2010 01:38. Posts 8648 | | |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 13 2010 04:28. Posts 1585 | | |
| On April 12 2010 10:17 Chobo1 wrote:
this is whilst continuously 20 tabling..
oh and i want to point out that i really really suck at SNGs for the amount of time i've put into them >_<
too bad i spent all my money whilst living the good life here in thailand.
anyone wanna throw me some cash so i can go back to playing them? |
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Zep   United States. Apr 13 2010 17:40. Posts 2292 | | |
HU4ROLLZ breaktwister? any time, any stake.
bitch please, you must have a mental disease, assume the position and get back down on your knees.
PS What do you do for a living? |
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kyd   . Apr 16 2010 12:25. Posts 289 | | |
yeah he sounds retarded but one thing i might have agree in :
people who are good at sitngos, arent granted to be good in most skillfull form of poker : deepstack cashgame.
in fact, it might be just as it is with me.
while im winner on sitngos and mtts, i suck VERY KURWA BAD at cash game, sooooooo bad, to the point i almost busted my roll playing cash
so its now time to go back to the push/fold 30 tabling again ;o
its not poker tbh, just a way to make money
also, is it normal to lose straight 200bi in 180mans turbo? I mean, is it even possible to run that bad, coz for what I recall, i couldnt win a flip, made the same push/fold thing i used on 2k games (that i was consitently winning) sample and couldnt win anything. my aces and kings were made of paper, but im still wondering.. what is the biggsest downswing in 180man that was ever raported by solid, decent, winnin over huge sample player? (coz im not that good i believe) |
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You know like I think you have a point but you don't get the whole picture. Obviously these SNG's are just about luck and no one really believes that Frinkyboy actually is good at poker (other then lucky like hell, lol) I mean just look at him he looks like some 15 y/o guy from like some redneck state who likes like shotguns and the Bush family. But really, the same thing is true about cash. I have like super good karma because I sacrifice small fluffy animals to Heimdal, the Norse God of gambling and cheap whiskey, and in return he lets me win 6 figures in mid and high stakes cash every year. It's a good thing I found out about this though cause I'm fairly dumb and I don't know what kind of job I would've gotten otherwise. |
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Apr 17 2010 07:21. Posts 1585 | | |
| On April 16 2010 11:25 kyd wrote:
yeah he sounds retarded but one thing i might have agree in :
people who are good at sitngos, arent granted to be good in most skillfull form of poker : deepstack cashgame.
in fact, it might be just as it is with me.
while im winner on sitngos and mtts, i suck VERY KURWA BAD at cash game, sooooooo bad, to the point i almost busted my roll playing cash
so its now time to go back to the push/fold 30 tabling again ;o
its not poker tbh, just a way to make money
also, is it normal to lose straight 200bi in 180mans turbo? I mean, is it even possible to run that bad, coz for what I recall, i couldnt win a flip, made the same push/fold thing i used on 2k games (that i was consitently winning) sample and couldnt win anything. my aces and kings were made of paper, but im still wondering.. what is the biggsest downswing in 180man that was ever raported by solid, decent, winnin over huge sample player? (coz im not that good i believe) |
Im not sure about downswings but I know some solid 180 players have went on 3kish break even streches |
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PplusAD   Germany. Apr 17 2010 20:12. Posts 7180 | | |
btw whats your ps screen name
breaktwister ? |
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Mierzwix   . Apr 21 2010 15:56. Posts 128 | | |
http://www.tlpoker.pl/h/109652 - with a dedication to you who think that 3k is a long run in 180man sit n gos
i cant win any fucking all in in these 180mans when ~12 left during last 3-4 days( it s sth like 1k sit n gos) but i play a lot late stages so LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL at your faces. FML BTW |
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BrTarolg   United Kingdom. Apr 29 2010 19:43. Posts 37 | | |
I think the nail in the coffin for these was when one of rainmans tutee's made a post complaining about the skill level and variance in these games
I mean, yeah, its beatable, but practise a little game selection. You have to be an absolute sicko to play these lol |
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SuGoYo   United States. May 01 2010 03:13. Posts 8 | | |
breakeven i really dont see you playing 2,000 $12 180 man's with the way you talk, i give you 500 games max. you probably arent even good enough to last 2000 games lol |
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SuGoYo   United States. May 01 2010 03:31. Posts 8 | | |
| On April 09 2010 15:06 daysare wrote:
so what?300k is nothing, that is just pure LUCK, not even variance. FrinkXs a retard since he disagrees with breaktwister whose theoretical understanding of the game is simply outstanding |
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MayZerG   United Kingdom. May 02 2010 13:02. Posts 2123 | | |
| On May 01 2010 02:31 SuGoYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2010 15:06 daysare wrote:
so what?300k is nothing, that is just pure LUCK, not even variance. FrinkXs a retard since he disagrees with breaktwister whose theoretical understanding of the game is simply outstanding |
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MayZerG   United Kingdom. May 02 2010 13:10. Posts 2123 | | |
Im pretty sure i stated in the thread that NO ONE should be helping this lowlife piece of shit.
Fucking hate people from my country, such a disgrace to society and humans in general.
He is not here to "learn" as he puts it, his here to preach based on fuck all considering he knows fuck all.
Please close this fucking thread, seeing this at the top of the Tournament Poker section fucking TILTS ME. |
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SuGoYo   United States. May 02 2010 16:55. Posts 8 | | |
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DeMoNBLaZeR   Philippines. May 04 2010 11:48. Posts 63 | | |
does anyone know if boku is using somekind of software while playing? |
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