boku87 - anyone know what games he played? - Page 2

Yeah, if he plays 50 at a time and has 100 buyins for each level then half his bankroll is in play at any one time. Failing to cash in 100 games in a row means that your busto.

On February 10 2010 06:01 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 18:33 mnj wrote:   On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:   On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things? LOL ridiculous statement. alot to learn you have Yawn - worst post ever fish. You make no argument or say anything substantive at all. Do you think that people fold too much in turbos? Not in my experience. You can rarely push someone off a hand as there is so little postflop play. Its preflop wide-range donk poker at its worst, people pushing with wide ranges and getting called by wide ranges = luckfest.

well ive played 8k sngs and im tellign u they fold to much.Don't get me wrong there is a pretty high variance in these. BUt theres variance in all poker. mtt's prolly being the most

On February 10 2010 05:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: if you are good at push-fold then playing $12 180 man turbos is probably the easiest way to build a bankroll from $1000 to $10000. there are SO MANY PEOPLE in those tourneys that make ridiculously horrible folds allll the time. yes if you play 10 of them it's completely luck dependant, but that's why good online sitngo players play 20+ at the same time..

I understand what you are saying, its the quality of the player thats important though, not the actual type of game.

My roll is sittin at exactly $1K, I have built it up playing DoNs and over the last few days have seen all daily profit wiped out by trying the turbos and failing to cash in any. And before anyone suggests it, I do know how to play push/call, low M poker. Just seems like a lot of luck to me compared to say the 27 man regulars which I'm crushing at over 180% ROI.

stop embarassing yourself breaktwister... if a lot of players that are better than you say turbo > regular, dont say they're wrong, just ask why they are right...

and the answer is, you can get a higher ROI at the regular games maybe but with turbos you can play at least twice as much games therefore your $/hr is gonna be a lot bigger

and also push/fold is not a luckfest, ppl play their hands differently, some ppl shove/call way too many hands others fold way too many, the better balanced players will win on the long run obv

On February 10 2010 06:41 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: well ive played 8k sngs and im tellign u they fold to much.Don't get me wrong there is a pretty high variance in these. BUt theres variance in all poker. mtt's prolly being the most

Yea, I havent played that many turbos as failing to cash was pissing me off. I'll obviously accept what an experienced player like yourself says. I'm not going to give up on them yet!

oh and lower rake, specially at DoNs (since its half) makes the turbos MUCH better

you probably underestimate rake if you play regular dons

Let's say you have 10% ROI on those DoNs. If you played the turbos with only like 3-4% ROI you already would make more $/hr

On February 10 2010 06:47 player999 wrote: stop embarassing yourself breaktwister... if a lot of players that are better than you say turbo > regular, dont say they're wrong, just ask why they are right... and the answer is, you can get a higher ROI at the regular games maybe but with turbos you can play at least twice as much games therefore your $/hr is gonna be a lot bigger and also push/fold is not a luckfest, ppl play their hands differently, some ppl shove/call way too many hands others fold way too many, the better balanced players will win on the long run obv

I'm not saying you are wrong, or anybody that says turbos > reg games are wrong. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that there is clearly more luck involved in a shorter tournament where the blinds increase faster. I think everyone agrees on this given the numerous posts about the variance involved in turbos.

I see what you are saying about the $/hr. I'm just used to cashing more regularly in the DoNs/reg games.

The overwhelming opinion is that turbos > regs for a good player in the long run and therefore I'm going to have to put more volume into the turbos.

This kind of info is why I posted in the first place as I couldn't see why a good player would prefer a shorter tournament that involved less postflop play and more luck. Now I know its cos the players playing them are so bad. Thanks guys!

where you see "luck" we just see variance

On February 10 2010 06:50 player999 wrote: oh and lower rake, specially at DoNs (since its half) makes the turbos MUCH better you probably underestimate rake if you play regular dons

I started playing the turbo DoNs last nite and didnt find much difference in how they are played as its all about who is the short stack on the bubble.

Pretty stupid of me to not notice that the rake in these games was lower before now, this coupled with this fact that the bubble comes sooner clearly makes these +EV.

I've been playing poker for quite a while and I think I've always had an aversion to 'turbo' games as requiring more short-term luck, with whole tables of players with low Ms being forced to make moves. Change of mindset required.

I've played 23k SNG's, consistently winning and making a worthwhile hourly rate. Used to play regular, was scared by extra variance in turbos, but switched to turbo somewhere early on. It's all about the hourly rate. Your individual ROI per table must certainly be lower at turbos than at regular, but a strong player should certainly have enough of an edge that the turbos are still more profitable. A typical marginal winner would be better off sticking to regular.

On February 10 2010 06:42 breaktwister wrote: And before anyone suggests it, I do know how to play push/call, low M poker.

No offense, but probably not remotely close to as well as you think you do. This applies to most non-SNG players, and many winning SNG players as well. I have to humble myself a lot and constantly work on my game, and many top players regularly question themselves too.

applus, oranges, there are succesfull players in all brackets.
Because if u really look into it what u should be playing is HUSNG. eh eh.

On February 10 2010 05:57 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote: there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off plus non-turbos take too long Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time. This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense.

No but they don't like to waste their time

On February 10 2010 05:57 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote: there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off plus non-turbos take too long Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time. This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense.

actually thats exactly it. u dont have any egde postflop in 1.5k starting stack donkaments.

why did i open this fucking thread...such nonsense itt

Also, if your ROI at 27's is 180%, your sample size must be trivial. That is an order of magnitude greater than what is sustainable.

On February 11 2010 21:53 vltava wrote: Also, if your ROI at 27's is 180%, your sample size must be trivial. That is an order of magnitude greater than what is sustainable.

Yes, it is trivial as I havent yet put much volume into any one particular game.

I think everyone agrees that a good player can achieve a higher ROI in regular games but that a lower ROI coupled with higher volume at turbos = > $ per hour.

when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded...

On February 15 2010 08:48 Mierzwix wrote: when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded...

Actually, it does make a difference, and you are the retard here.