boku87 - anyone know what games he played? - Page 3

lol

Mierzwix: Suppose we bet on a coin toss and you give me slightly better money odds. Is my ROI the same regardless of the number times we flip?

If you are a winning player, you have an edge. But the longer the blinds take to get to forcing every player all-in every hand, the higher your edge is.

Or, you know, poker 101: the one who makes the most mistakes loses.
More decisions in a hand lead to more mistakes when players are bad, thus situations where the stacks are deeper favour the better player. That's why ROI in deeper tournaments (regular SNG's) should be higher than in shortstacked tournaments (turbo SNG's), simply because there are more decisions to be made.

On February 15 2010 16:15 vltava wrote: Mierzwix: Suppose we bet on a coin toss and you give me slightly better money odds. Is my ROI the same regardless of the number times we flip? If you are a winning player, you have an edge. But the longer the blinds take to get to forcing every player all-in every hand, the higher your edge is.

yes but you get more turbo's in in the same time..

If I said lets give you 60/40 on a flip but we only flip 10 times a day

Or I said lets give you 57/53 on a flip but we flip 50 times a day

What would you choose?
What really has the most variance if properly rolled? and by variance i mean time variance really, you'll be on 'downswings' for longer esp when mtts aren't lets give you 60/40 on a flip but we'll give you 180/1 on a 90/1 chance of happening 20 times a day or 180/1 on a 110/1 chance of happening 100 times a day

if i had one tournament to play with 1000 complete donks i'd rather the stacks be 50k deep with blinds going up like every 6 hours if it was like a million dollar buyin or w/e

If you're just playing low stakes sngs if you can actually play you're far more ev in the turbo's where you can get more volume in, theres just no doubt about that. This is assuming you can actually play though and aren't just out-tighting people cos that doesn't work in turbo's so good.

KeyleK, I know. Read the thread.

On February 15 2010 08:48 Mierzwix wrote: when it comes to roi there is no difference between turbos and regular tournaments, in both types of tournaments u have to make right decision and only this has an influence on your long run roi..so wtf r u talking about? All your posts in this thread r so retarded...

Turbos are purely low M poker, whereas with the reg games the extra playing time at the beginning gives a good player a better chance to build a nice stack. Clearly going into bubble situations with a bigger stack (which is what generally happens with good players in reg games compared to turbos) will affect your ROI.

Retard.

UPDATE:

Im quite enjoying the turbo experience. I've been playing turbo SNG exclusively over the last week. Playing around 40 $6.50s per day (18, 45 and 90s) with ROI at 28% (dont have access to the actual stats as I'm in work). Yet to cash in the $7.70 180 mans but it'll only be a matter of time.

On February 09 2010 10:03 breaktwister wrote: I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise. Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance.

How can you pick off yourself?

People have explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and yet you keep arguing.

Edit: Well at least you listened to reason finally.

On February 17 2010 10:52 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 10:03 breaktwister wrote: I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise. Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance. How can you pick off yourself? People have explained to you exactly why you are wrong, and yet you keep arguing.

What are you talking about fool? I posted that early in the thread simply detailing why I have always preferred regular games to turbos. (Mainly a cash player in past and not played serious volumes of SNGs)

You call me a fish because of this? Wish I had a roll to challenge you to HU. Nothing worse than a dickhead who comes on forums calling other people fish without knowing anything whatsoever about them or how they play.

Retard.

It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft

I believe breaktwister is a troll. If not, it's even better as it would be an ultimate proof that games ain't dead yet

jeez another "im a gosu sc player and will defend my honour thread"?
humility is also a skill in poker that will get you through the extremely rough patches

On February 19 2010 01:22 daysare wrote: I believe breaktwister is a troll. If not, it's even better as it would be an ultimate proof that games ain't dead yet

The games certainly ain't dead yet. They are alive-alive-o.

On February 18 2010 12:48 blackjacki2 wrote: It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft

No idea what you're talking about here. Posted in wrong thread?

On February 19 2010 07:57 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2010 12:48 blackjacki2 wrote: It's pronounced Bisu and he plays starcraft No idea what you're talking about here. Posted in wrong thread?

bad joke

Boku is shortstacking PLO25 atm ;o

The reason why these get played (other than the fact that back in boku's day, the fields were MUCH softer and the edge much higher) is because there is no faster way to build up your roll than 20 tabling 180 man turbo

I think short of scoring massively in MTT's or running like an absolute sicko in PLO this is by far the fastest and most consistent way to build your roll up

Ofc swings are huge, 100 BI downswings are not uncommon (ive had two)

Back in the day 100% ROI was possible in these, now my estimates are about 60-70% max in the 2.20s and maybe 30-40 in the 12's if you restrict yourself to playing at peak eurozone times and play 100% on each table (so no more than 20-25 tables at once, though gl getting more than 15 of the 12's going at one time)

random made up roi figures ftw

On February 21 2010 20:53 SfydjkLm wrote: random made up roi figures ftw

Sources from : wisdom thread in 2+2
MTT community thread on 12/roi

I guess you could say nobody has a big enough sample to see (some people commented that ROI's today are different from ROI's a 6 months ago, and nobody has a sample size big enough wiithin that timeframe to compare)

The 2's is a pretty made up figure just from my personal experience there.