boku87 - anyone know what games he played?

My work has blocked most poker sites (but not this one so I cant get onto any pages to check this myself but on boku's blog http://10kpropbet.blogspot.com/

it says he played $6s, then onto $12 and $16s. The pricing of the SNGs seems strange - were these turbos he was playing?

If so how da hell does he consistantly cash in them? Let alone playing 50 of them at a time. Any turbo I've played with 18 men or more are big all-in donk fests as the blinds get so high relative to the average stack.

yea he played turbos. He was playing 18 mans/45mans/180's usually at 2 diff levels together. like 3's+6's or 12's and 16's etc.

lol
he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run.

On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run.

So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things?

LOL ridiculous statement.

I stay away from turbos because it is just as easy for a terrible player to win them as it is for me. Preflop shoving poker where everyone has medium/short stacks only benefits the fish must be more high variance than regular games.

I was surprised to hear that he played turbos with such a high ROI expectation.

Saying that, I have never played turbos in any kind of volume. Just seems a lot like 'gambling' to me compared to regular games.

Well in turbos if you are good push/fold and put in volume u should be +eV... Especially at the micro levels where your getting called off by hands that should be folding to you. And people folding to you when your shoving any 2 cards into them

edit- I actually attempthed the boku thing one time. I had 1 50 table session at those stakes. Ended up breaking even or slightly -. But it was really insane and I know i missed atleast 30 shoves. So dunno how he was doing it for 10 hours everyday.

ppl play ridiculously bad in these turbos. People fold when they should never fold and have terrible calling ranges and exploitable shoving ranges. You can destroy the bubble in these.

hence the low stake...

"donkfest" is largely +EV with high variance.

I prefer playing the regular SNGs as I think it gives me more play to pick off the fish before the blinds start getting so big your committing yourself to a pot with any raise.

Ill maybe give the turbos another try, albeit with higher variance.

??? wtf is this

turbos end faster /story

is there more value in folding and waiting for hands down to say 6bbs
or
shoving wide once you get to 10bbs or less and expect lots of very bad calls?

On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things? LOL ridiculous statement.

alot to learn you have

there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos
people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off
plus non-turbos take too long

On February 09 2010 19:59 AznFisherman wrote: there are few to no sng pros that play non-turbos people are more exploitable in turbos simply b/c of the push/fold ranges and their calling shove ranges are completely off plus non-turbos take too long

Sorry but I think this is ridiculous. In tournament/mtt play, having a slower blind structure and deeper stacks clearly benefits the good players. You have a longer time to play and therefore there is not as much reliance on 'short term luck' e.g. having to get dealt lots of good hands in a short period of time.

This is like saying that all tournament players would prefer to play preflop poker only as fish are more exploitable that way. Nonsense.

On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things? LOL ridiculous statement.

yea that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying
if you are good at push-fold then playing $12 180 man turbos is probably the easiest way to build a bankroll from $1000 to $10000. there are SO MANY PEOPLE in those tourneys that make ridiculously horrible folds allll the time. yes if you play 10 of them it's completely luck dependant, but that's why good online sitngo players play 20+ at the same time..

On February 09 2010 18:33 mnj wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2010 06:11 breaktwister wrote:   On February 09 2010 06:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: lol he consistently cashes in them because people think they're big all-in donk fests and end up folding hands they should be pushing or calling with all the fucking time. the ridiculously massive volums he puts in assures him that he wins in the long run. So your saying that they are not actually donk-fests, people just think they are and in reality people fold too much in these things? LOL ridiculous statement. alot to learn you have

Yawn - worst post ever fish. You make no argument or say anything substantive at all. Do you think that people fold too much in turbos? Not in my experience. You can rarely push someone off a hand as there is so little postflop play. Its preflop wide-range donk poker at its worst, people pushing with wide ranges and getting called by wide ranges = luckfest.

Maybe Im just pissed cos I run bad at turbos? LOL!

Im definately going to try some more of them if they are as exploitable as people seem to say on here. I just think I have a bigger advantage in the regular games for the reasons I have stated above.

I seem to recall on boku's blog that he failed to cash in 200 games in a row. But he said that he had about 80-100 buyins for each level. I don't know how he didn't busto then. Failing to cash in 200 games is sick sick variance.

he plays like 500 a day, he is fucking crazy