How to play TT preflop - Page 4

Before reading this note: Fuck you, I don't need to justify anything to anyone, but all you donks can't seem to comprehend a simple thought process, so I will tell you what I was thinking about.

One thing many of you may not have taken into consideration (I didn't mention cause I didn't expect so much flaming from this hand) is that this is SB vs BB and more often than not I win a large %'s of blind vs blind plays cause of aggresion. That's why when I reraised him the amount was not to large, my first raise is just a standard one, he reraised me - this could be him making a play with any two (which he is capable of) I would assume this is most likley because since he has position on me and he knows I will bet on almost any flop slowplaying would be the optimal play here but he elects to reraise so I figure he wants to take down this pot right now that's why I throw in another reraise. The purpose of this was to show that I indeed do have a hand I expected him to flat call at this point but he elects to reraise me again... I can't immagine this specific player doing this with a big PP especially taking into consideration he has position on me (say this because I've played with him since 25NL I have a good idea of what hes all about)

I have a really good read on a some players, it's because I've played many hands against them so I can open up my game more against these guys people like Spunkman, JoyGrithero (used to be Sir_tilt) + many more but meaningless to mention them all.

Tomson is a fucking retard - If you look at my most plays any I'm almost always getting in my money as either a slight favorate or massive favorate, I would never pay off any of you pussy nut straddlers with shit. Against the right players I will even fold KK preflop (I've done it three times in my poker career) I hardley ever donk away money unless I'm running a big bluff. Fucking retard talking random shit with absolutley no information. He's critiquing my play based on a dozen hands I've posted which are generally player oriented anyway. I make money because many of my plays are +EV I just sometimes push really small edges so it looks very unusual/crazy. There's more to poker than AA vs KK dumbass.

Too many if you begin your reads with IF if he has xx im 82% underdog etc obviously I'm very well aware of this. I know if he has AA or KK I'm fucked. I've never pushed with anything below QQ in my life before this hand - this is far from standard. It just so happens the first time I chose to do this I was correct - If you wanna call that luck I don't fucking care.

Admit it, it was just random lucky guessing bullshit and it worked out in the end you lying canuk

tom, you still fail to say exactly what makes him have AK 100% (or close to it) and not another hand

i mean, you can play your whole life with someone, and still it's impossible to narrow his hand range down to a single hand preflop 100%, or even close to 100% (unless hes some idiot that plays the same way every time he gets AK and NEVER varies his play... which isn't the case at $1/$2)

if he has a higher pp even 20% of the time here (meaning your "read" is still correct 80% of the time) you are making a horrible play

and like cosmo said, even if you put him on exactly AK you STILL played it wrong

to sum it up:
if your "read" is ~100% right: you played the hand wrong.
if your "read" is <~80% right: you played the hand wrong.

you post a win of a coin flip
and make it seem like you made a brilliant play

but you fail to realize that this was the BEST case scenario for you
and yet it was still a flip

there's nothing to discuss here

So what you buy with his 200$?

probably used it to rebuy after being stacked the next four times he got TT all in PF

i myself would probably never make this play.
but kudos to you for making the correct read and trusting it, because that's what poker is all about

the simple fact of the matter is: you can't argue with results. tom won the hand, he can justify his play by saying "my fart smells like rainbow giggles" and THERES NOTHING THE REST OF U CAN SAY TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE WON.

if he ran into a monster and got stacked (which is obviously what DOES usually happen in situations like these) he wouldn't post it because he'd look like a moron.

so in conclusion: tom's farts smell like rainbow giggles.

--- Nuked ---

tilting and one poor day of poker does not constitute a bad run

split if the dealer is showing a low card. Otherwise stick.

TT vs AK is NOT a 50:50 scenario!
TT vs AKo is about 57:43 and TT vs AKs is about 53:47 (it slighty changes depending on the suits of the AK and TT).

i dont know anything about toms thinking process, but if he knew he wasnt vs an overpair then the push is correct as hell. 10% edge is a fucking lot.

yeeeah JAM THAT SUCKER!

Not like this!

buy me some shoes

Cosmo makes a great point because you are in position and joy will almost certainly push the flop after committing that much. (now that i think of this, is the statement i said just true? WILL joy push the flop every time he misses oop?)

and one point i'd like to make on tom's side is that, this is not a hypo aggressive uber lag style, this is TIGHT AGGRESSIVE move. Pushing marginal edges hard is how tight aggressives separate themselves from weak tight. That being said, i think it's a bad spot to do it in, because i dont think on balance you have an edge here.

one other point id like to make is that i have very little experience playing heads up full stacked cash game. to those who have a lot, how do you play TT preflop? I didnt notice this was sb v bb at first, and that does change things a little bit, but i would like to see how elky would have played this (he has lots of HU cash game experience)

On March 18 2006 19:38 TalentedTom wrote: Tomson is a fucking retard - If you look at my most plays any I'm almost always getting in my money as either a slight favorate or massive favorate, I would never pay off any of you pussy nut straddlers with shit. Against the right players I will even fold KK preflop (I've done it three times in my poker career) I hardley ever donk away money unless I'm running a big bluff. Fucking retard talking random shit with absolutley no information. He's critiquing my play based on a dozen hands I've posted which are generally player oriented anyway. I make money because many of my plays are +EV I just sometimes push really small edges so it looks very unusual/crazy. There's more to poker than AA vs KK dumbass.

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I'm not even gonna bother.

TT should be renamed TalentedTom

good bump fira

So basically, Tom should have said that he was 100 percent sure that his opponent had AK, however he made the correct move if he was certain that his opponent had AK. So in general this is a bad move, without an amazing read anyway. The end.

The only way i'm ever putting an opponent on 100% a single hand is if i can see the reflection of the cards in their glasses