How to play TT preflop - Page 5

On March 22 2006 23:29 iamalex wrote: So basically, Tom should have said that he was 100 percent sure that his opponent had AK, however he made the correct move if he was certain that his opponent had AK. So in general this is a bad move, without an amazing read anyway. The end.

wrong. read cosmos replay. he basically said if tom 100% sure his opponent has AK it is better to see a flop so that his opponent won't get to see 5 cards and Tom can save a lot of $$$ if an A or K hits the flop.

i think this is the correct play IF Tom is "sure" his opponent has AK (which i think is bs to begin with); Tom was just committed to the hand imo.

conclusion: horrible play

i don't understand all the controversy
he felt strongly that he had an edge and backed it with his stack
what's the big deal?

On March 24 2006 22:19 fira wrote: conclusion: horrible play

I don't agree at all.
How can it be a better play to fold the better hand?
I don't see how it can be a horrible play to put your opponent on the exact cards he has.

On March 25 2006 00:46 Galdred wrote: I don't see how it can be a horrible play to put your opponent on the exact cards he has.

*cough* results oriented *end cough now*

result oriented is if you hit a straight after raising PF with a crap hand.
It has nothing to do with the result in this situation.
He called a semi bluff and won.

His hand was stronger at the time he bet.
If he had been stacked because his opponent had flopped an ace it would still have been a good play.

On March 25 2006 04:28 Galdred wrote: result oriented is if you hit a straight after raising PF with a crap hand. It has nothing to do with the result in this situation. He called a semi bluff and won. His hand was stronger at the time he bet. If he had been stacked because his opponent had flopped an ace it would still have been a good play.

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and thats just for ur first sentence of inane babble, dont even get me started on how you think his opponent was "semi bluffing" preflop.

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LOL what a great thread :-)

hahaha im so glad this got bumped

this was so fun to read

i think the only reason tom made this thread is cuz TT = TalentedTom anyways

Interesting HU play...
I like it

good play

he won the hand right??

im not being results orientated.

I don't get it. This discussion is just insane for me.

No matter how great you are a player, you are simply not going to put your opponent on a hand 100%, especially online. Anyone claiming this is most certainly wrong. TalentedTom hasn't even put up any real _reason_ that could've made him think the guy was on AK.

Maybe playing this had other valid reasons besides the odds on that single hand - table image is one thing that comes to my mind. However, these are external considerations that don't make the play per se correct.

this must be toms magic secret

classic thread though, such a fun read

I think this hand would be easier for people to understand if they considered it more like a tournament hand. In big tournies we see these kind of plays back and forth all the time in SB vs BB battles. Tom says he has intimate knowledge of his opponent and this particular situation then so be it. I think the only really interesting thing about this hand is that many of us would consider it the optimal play to bet/push a flop that lacks an A or a K.

In fact if you want to get an even better analogy for undertanding this hand on Tom's level, most of us watch high stakes poker right? Think of Eli Elezra vs. Sammy Farha preflop in a SB vs BB confrontation.

Farha does this with 3c8c and Elezra pushes over top with air. *shrugs*

I think the real reason everyone is flaming Tom here is because everything that happened in this hand goes against the fundamentals of simple ABC poker that we know and trust to make us money in the long run. The hand offends everything we assume we know about poker PF.

this thread makes me miss rekrul