How to play TT preflop - Page 2

i put him on AK

Not to mention our private Gus Hansen did a nice Mexican-like minraise pre-flop

JoyGrithero: raises $12 to $18
TalentedTom: raises $18 to $36

On March 16 2006 14:58 TalentedTom wrote: i put him on AK

Yeah, the super standard 3x raise gave it away.

bigballs would you fold this too?


Submitted by : TalentedTom

PokerStars Game #4307847653: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/03/16 - 13:54:55 (ET)
Table 'Patricia IV' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MiracleFlop ($181 in chips)
Seat 2: cfb120 ($147.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Drew_Nguyen ($195.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Demon2Some ($199.75 in chips)
Seat 5: TalentedTom ($198.15 in chips)
Seat 6: palema ($146 in chips)
Seat 7: TSOLO ($72.35 in chips)
Seat 8: real time 22 ($275.05 in chips)
Seat 9: theraed ($519.65 in chips)
TalentedTom: posts small blind $1
palema: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to TalentedTom
TSOLO: folds
real time 22: raises $2 to $4
theraed: folds
MiracleFlop: folds
cfb120: folds
Drew_Nguyen: calls $4
Demon2Some: folds
TalentedTom: calls $3
palema: calls $2

Flop (Pot : $16)

   
TalentedTom: checks
palema: checks
real time 22: checks
Drew_Nguyen: bets $15
TalentedTom: calls $15
palema: folds
real time 22: folds

Turn (Pot : $46)

   
TalentedTom: checks
Drew_Nguyen: bets $25
TalentedTom: calls $25

River (Pot : $96)

   
TalentedTom: checks
Drew_Nguyen: bets $50
TalentedTom: calls $50

Showdown
Drew_Nguyen: shows (high card Jack)
TalentedTom: shows (a pair of Tens)
TalentedTom collected $193 from pot
TalentedTom said, "dude"

Summary
Total pot $196 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: MiracleFlop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cfb120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Drew_Nguyen showed and lost with high card Jack
Seat 4: Demon2Some (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TalentedTom (small blind) showed and won ($193) with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: palema (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: TSOLO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: real time 22 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: theraed folded before Flop (didn't bet)

almost definitely, but when i did, that would be on the flop, cause its multiway and im oop.
after calling the flop, i would definitely call down there.

On March 16 2006 14:55 BigBalls wrote: his hand range is AA KK QQ JJ AK you got lucky he had the ONLY HAND you were ahead of adding to that, the hand youre ahead of is 56-43 the hands that are ahead of you are 82-18 terrible play

Are you sure about the hand range?
JoyGrithero is pretty aggressive too, his first reraise was pretty weak, so it could have done it with a broader hand range.
And doing that occasionnaly is the only way to get called by something else than a set or 2 pairs when you have AA-KK.
Of course it does not make any sense to play TT or AK like that everytime, but it's hard to tell wether it was the correct play or not considering only one hand.

Tom, we can all find posts where we made a 'great' call and our hand was good, im sure you call down like that and lose hands too but choose not to post them. In the TT hand, if you were playing against me then there is no way in hell you would have the best hand preflop. If you have some read on joey that means your tens are probably good, then wonderful - but why post it here.

On March 16 2006 17:14 Galdred wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2006 14:55 BigBalls wrote: his hand range is AA KK QQ JJ AK you got lucky he had the ONLY HAND you were ahead of adding to that, the hand youre ahead of is 56-43 the hands that are ahead of you are 82-18 terrible play Are you sure about the hand range? JoyGrithero is pretty aggressive too, his first reraise was pretty weak, so it could have done it with a broader hand range. And doing that occasionnaly is the only way to get called by something else than a set or 2 pairs when you have AA-KK. Of course it does not make any sense to play TT or AK like that everytime, but it's hard to tell wether it was the correct play or not considering only one hand.

wtf thats actually a good response, where did you come from?

On March 16 2006 13:27 TalentedTom wrote: The main purpose of this is this: Stop fucking making threads where your folding KK preflop or QQ fuck it stop fucking folding trips, flushes and TPTK.

sigh hypoaggressive at its worst

Altho i do agree with tom that too many people here are weaktight

i disagree that it's a bad thing at their respective levels
being weak tight only becomes a problem when you play 5/10 and 10/20 and you need to stand up to better players

Image considerations?

you all fucking suck and talentedtom made the right play

his hand range is not AA KK QQ JJ AK

weak tight pussies

rek - unless his opponent was a total idiot (and i will assume not since he was full stacked) what hand do you see him having that TT has dominated? 99? i mean even if he has A2os its not as big of an underdog to TT as TT is to AA

if if if

he pushed with 10 10

his opponent had AK

he was ahead

in gambling, if you are ahead when you put your money in

it is correct

it doesn't matter what range of hands bigballs puts his opponent on.

ya, but we arn't exactly seeing toms hands where he pushs with TT and loses to an overpair either. So the question is how often does he do this and find himself ahead preflop.

Fact that he shows this hand doesn't mean he lost 3 of them to JJ QQ KK AA :/

you dont see my hands when i push with TT and get beat cause it's never happened before, i make these plays based on reads for some reason yesturday I was in a zone i put him on exactly AK and since i trust my reads I pushed.

On March 16 2006 13:27 TalentedTom wrote: The main purpose of this is this: Stop fucking making threads where your folding KK preflop or QQ fuck it stop fucking folding trips, flushes and TPTK.

I like your style, its cool and its cool to see that you're making money of it. But when I think I'm beat I fold. And I use to be right ;;

On March 17 2006 04:53 TalentedTom wrote: you dont see my hands when i push with TT and get beat cause it's never happened before, i make these plays based on reads for some reason yesturday I was in a zone i put him on exactly AK and since i trust my reads I pushed.

I don't want to be harsh or cynical, but really, you just made a bad play, got lucky and now you're justifying it.

He raised 3 times your bet twice. I don't know what zone you were in to make that read, most likely the twilight zone.