@Loco I get it now, I'm the one that had it wrong since I had my justifications lead to a false understanding. Not really surprised that I fell for that thought trap I guess.
What is odd to me in the general conversations is that all of you seem to believe that he has manifested his spiritual guide though. At least thats what my impression from the conversation has left me with. If such a thing does exist, then the whole counterargument and logic behind it kind of falls short as it would be a "black swan" as Taleb d say. Anyway that would be a pointless conversation to continue as there could literally be no common ground between both sides.
What interests me more is if tutz is an antinatalist due to the previous statement he's made that we're all basically the same supreme being that is trying to get back together as a whole after each piece has gone through its spiritual awakening. That would imply that we should mostly disregard any progress in any area whatsoever and only focus on spiritual development while keeping ourselves alive, but there would also be no incentive to procreate (I know Loco that you have plenty of logical reasons to give on that topic but lets disregard them). Which would also beg the question of why are living beings, not just humans able to procreate, to begin with, why not just be immortal until ascension. Even if there is a spiritual reason for that somehow, wouldn't it be immoral for us to procreate knowing that our main goal is to ascend, meaning that the being that is about to be born is bound to suffer, as it has failed in the previous life? If we procreate, then it means that we are immoral thus should deserve to be reincarnated again? (kind of funny how Loco's beliefs align with this logic as well though :D)
P.S. Sorry if I sound rude somehow tutz, I'm actually interested in your point of view. I don't think we're going to figure out the purpose of life in this thread either way. Whatever the purpose of life is, I dont see how "the grand plan" would lack logic, even if the universe is all randomness and/or a generated environment like the Matrix
On December 04 2018 22:06 Spitfiree wrote:
@Loco I get it now, I'm the one that had it wrong since I had my justifications lead to a false understanding. Not really surprised that I fell for that thought trap I guess.
What is odd to me in the general conversations is that all of you seem to believe that he has manifested his spiritual guide though. At least thats what my impression from the conversation has left me with. If such a thing does exist, then the whole counterargument and logic behind it kind of falls short as it would be a "black swan" as Taleb d say. Anyway that would be a pointless conversation to continue as there could literally be no common ground between both sides.
What interests me more is if tutz is an antinatalist due to the previous statement he's made that we're all basically the same supreme being that is trying to get back together as a whole after each piece has gone through its spiritual awakening. That would imply that we should mostly disregard any progress in any area whatsoever and only focus on spiritual development while keeping ourselves alive, but there would also be no incentive to procreate (I know Loco that you have plenty of logical reasons to give on that topic but lets disregard them). Which would also beg the question of why are living beings, not just humans able to procreate, to begin with, why not just be immortal until ascension. Even if there is a spiritual reason for that somehow, wouldn't it be immoral for us to procreate knowing that our main goal is to ascend, meaning that the being that is about to be born is bound to suffer, as it has failed in the previous life? If we procreate, then it means that we are immoral thus should deserve to be reincarnated again? (kind of funny how Loco's beliefs align with this logic as well though :D)
P.S. Sorry if I sound rude somehow tutz, I'm actually interested in your point of view. I don't think we're going to figure out the purpose of life in this thread either way. Whatever the purpose of life is, I dont see how "the grand plan" would lack logic, even if the universe is all randomness and/or a generated environment like the Matrix
Hey Spitfiree, thank you very much for your questions.
I will try to summarize.
Brahma wants to experience every form of life there is, every possibility. Animals and plants included, but also many other forms. Planets are a form of life, they have their own inteligence, for instance.
Our planet is made up of several dimensions, one on top of the other. We are on the DENSE dimension. All other dimensions are slighty less dense, they operate in different vibrations of energy. The spiritual dimension is a few above our dimension.
The reason we need to incarnate here in this dimension is because our soul needs to be challenged in order to learn, just like a muscle. In the spiritual world there is no hardship; it's a slighthly blissful state of being there, let's say. Here we don't know our divine essence. As we go through the cycles of reincarnation, our soul acquires more and more consciousness. The key to consciousness is universal love. Since we are everything, true consciousness means loving everything. There is only two ways to learn here in this dimension: through suffering, or through love.
As the soul learns how to love unconditionally, it increases it's vibrational frequency and can ascend to higher and higher dimensions of existence. There comes a time in the soul's journey that it does not need to incarnate in this dimension anymore, but that doesn't mean the evolution process stopped. It's a long way to the top, let's say.
I can got a lot further and with a lot more detail, but I don't know if you are interested. Let me know.
On December 04 2018 22:06 Spitfiree wrote:
What is odd to me in the general conversations is that all of you seem to believe that he has manifested his spiritual guide though. At least thats what my impression from the conversation has left me with.
Uhhhhhhhhhh. It's pretty easy to know who believes that/thinks it's possible/thinks it's ridiculous or doesn't care. I would think you've been around long enough to feel like that's a pretty easy task too. Most people from this website are in the latter category. You seem to think that because people aren't challenging him on it it means they believe it. It just means they think they have better things to do than challenge someone who is making unfalsifiable claims. It's only interesting to challenge people when they make falsifiable ones, which he did, so we responded to some of those.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On December 02 2018 14:06 napalm wrote:
or there is this cool down to earth Indian girl who has her "3rd eye" opened since birth and she perceives subtler things, you can totally tell that to her its not a big deal, its normal to her and she sees some cool stuff that others don't see
I mean it doesn't require too much intuition and common sense to see that these things are real and there is no deception involved here
I'm late to the party, but after diving into these comments I noticed that none of the skeptics addressed this video about the girl doing stuff that shouldn't be possible.
I'm curious to hear the explanation, and I say that as a magician who has performed in many venues and knows how to fake this stuff. I'd still like to get her in a lab and control all the variables to completely prove she's not a fake, but from what I can gather online I can't explain it without bringing in some sorta high tech equipment you'd see on Agents of SHIELD.
I am honestly depressed at the idea of having to run someone through how this is a really shitty scam. It shouldn't be possible for you to think about this for more than 5 minutes and not realize it is. I mean, really think. Zoom back. See the full picture. What it is that they are accomplishing with this talent. And what is the manner in which one can get it. See if this is what you or anyone you know would do with this talent, for starters. Why don't we just begin there. Can all of you who think this is real tell me precisely what you would do if it were you?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On December 02 2018 14:06 napalm wrote:
or there is this cool down to earth Indian girl who has her "3rd eye" opened since birth and she perceives subtler things, you can totally tell that to her its not a big deal, its normal to her and she sees some cool stuff that others don't see
I mean it doesn't require too much intuition and common sense to see that these things are real and there is no deception involved here
I'm late to the party, but after diving into these comments I noticed that none of the skeptics addressed this video about the girl doing stuff that shouldn't be possible.
I'm curious to hear the explanation, and I say that as a magician who has performed in many venues and knows how to fake this stuff. I'd still like to get her in a lab and control all the variables to completely prove she's not a fake, but from what I can gather online I can't explain it without bringing in some sorta high tech equipment you'd see on Agents of SHIELD.
Hello friend. I think this is a better example of that kind of demonstration, take a look:
The second and third kid are more impressive, because their third eye is supposedly open at an angle different than that of common eyes.
But this could also be false, we can't tell for sure.
Edit:
I learned that special habilities like these are only possible if the soul already achieved a certain level of spiritual development, which means it's energy is vibrating at high frequency. If any of these kids decided to use their habilities to obtain material advantages for themselves, for example, they would lose those habilities, since this would create negative energy and shut down the third eye automatically.
The same is true for mediumship. Even if the medium is genetically blessed with amazing habilities, he would somewhat lose those habilities if he started to use them inappropriately. The opposite is also true. A 'normal person' can develop mediumship if he/she is able to increase his/her vibrational frequency through certain practices and methods.
On December 05 2018 06:41 Loco wrote:
I am honestly depressed at the idea of having to run someone through how this is a really shitty scam. It shouldn't be possible for you to think about this for more than 5 minutes and not realize it is. I mean, really think. Zoom back. See the full picture. What it is that they are accomplishing with this talent. And what is the manner in which one can get it. See if this is what you or anyone you know would do with this talent, for starters. Why don't we just begin there. Can all of you who think this is real tell me precisely what you would do if it were you?
I'm honestly sad to see you respond by dodging, cause you've had so many good answers! This reads like when tutz says "My spiritual teacher said so, therefore it is so". It's not an explanation based on the observable data, it's an assumption based on your biases.
What is she accomplishing with this talent? She's seeing things that her physical eyes have no possible way of seeing, indicating that there is something beyond what a purely materialist explanation of reality says is possible.
What is the manner in which one can get it? Through practice, because it's something we can all do if we develop our body properly.
What would I or someone I know do with the talent? I think that's up to each person, but also tutz is on to something in his explanation. Part of the practice necessary to develop the talent is about living with integrity, honesty, love, kindness, compassion, etc. So if you have cultivated the skill, you're likely to use it for good, not for personal gain. But that doesn't mean people couldn't develop it and use it for ill, which would likely reduce their ability as they go against the traits which were necessary to develop it. What would I do with the skill? I'd probably do similar to what she's doing, showing people what's possible in an attempt to help them open their minds to the nature of our reality, which is beyond the limited version which the religion of materialist science says is possible. But I'd do it in a lab so that skeptical minds like yours could be satisfied
And I refer to the "religion of materialist science" because the materialist perspective =/= science. Science is a method based on objectively observing phenomena, setting hypothesis to explain them, and then creating experiments to test the hypothesis. At no point is science required to be limited by a materialist perspective, but as the field of science has been taken over by people who are dogmatically believing in materialism, our modern science operates much more like a religion than true science. Just like the teachings of Jesus were twisted into the church of Christianity, science has been twisted into the church of materialism, leading people to dismiss data out of hand because their bias as a follower of the religion of materialist science blinds them from objectively analyzing the facts.
How do you fake something like this? As I said, I'm a magician, and I spent years studying, training, and creating performances so I could fake psychic powers. I've had people convinced that I could levitate, that I could read their mind, that I could teleport objects, etc. Because of those experiences, I was a member of the church of materialist science for many years, because I knew first hand that people could be convinced that they'd seen something magical, when they'd only seen a trick which was completely explainable from a materialist perspective. When I started studying psychology, I enjoyed learning even more science behind why people are wrong to think that there's anything magical in the world, and honestly Loco, the answers you've given sound almost word for word like the response I used to give when dismissing anything "magical."
So when I see what she's doing, my mind automatically jumps to multiple ways of producing the effect through purely materialistically explainable means. But I've watched footage of her performing in many different venues, for different crowds, and based on what I'm seeing she is not employing the methods a magician would use. The only way I can explain it from a materialist perspective is that she's using an advanced technology which the mainstream is unaware of, which is allowing her to either see through the blindfolds or have information transmitted to her by someone who can see (hence the reference to agents of Shield and some sorta cyborg eyes or next generation comms device). She's not wearing an ear piece, which would be the standard method of getting info to her from an outside observer so she could fake being able to see through the blindfold, and the blindfold appears to be real, not a magicians prop which appears to cover the eyes but actually allows vision.
At the end of the day, I've overall given up on trying to convince people that magical stuff is possible, cause it's not a necessary realization in order to get the benefits which come from practicing meditation and a life of integrity & compassion as promoted by buddhism, yoga, etc. Loco, I think of you as a prime example of how a skeptical mind can get great benefit from things like Vipassana and neuroscience and psychology. I find most of what you say to be spot on and very valuable to all humans who want to live a happier life. You treat people respectfully even when disagreeing with them, and your energy generally feels calm and balanced. There is so much we can do to evolve ourselves and live a happier life without having to believe in anything magical. So whether someone wants to believe in the supernatural like tutz, or stay within the material like Loco, I personally am happy to see them moving into a happier existence and helping others. I personally think both perspectives are real, and I feel like the divide between the woo woo and scientifically minded is a false one based on human limitations. That's why I loved growing up in the world of Mind and Life, where I got to see the top minds of both sides meet and find the common ground. When I've seen both sides open their minds and really listen to each other, the learning and growth which occurs is rapid and beautiful.
I'll close with this video of another practitioner who is able to do amazing stuff so we can have a more scientifically tested example to examine. Unlike the girl we were just discussing, he did get surrounded by skeptical scientists who brought instruments to test him out in an environment under their own control. There is also more explanation on what tutz brought up regarding how using these abilities for egoic purposes is generally not in alignment with the training which makes the abilities possible. While getting my psych degree my best friends on campus were my professors, and I spent a lot of time at their office hours. I remember one of them asked me "if people can really do these magical things, why don't they just come into a lab and prove it to us?" and I pointed out the ethnocentrism of her statement. For them, it's already real and no proof is necessary. A need to prove it to others is an egoic need, which is what they've trained themselves to move away from, and getting caught up in it could lead to the loss of the ability and a backslide in their development. We're the ones who should be asking kindly for them to come to our lab, not saying they're all charlatans unless they seek us out to prove us wrong.
On December 05 2018 20:57 Baalim wrote:
I never thought stupidity ran this deep in this forum, holy shit.
About the video with the girl, you are presented with two choices:
A) Everything we know about science is wrong, magic is real and this girl posseses super powers
B) The host is lying and the girl has been told beforehand what the paper says (or other ways to cheat this)
And you fucking chose A... no further investigation, magic is real.
You absolute morons, there are no kinder words to describe what is going on
You always manage to simplify things down but somehow get them wrong I've missed seeing the Baal posts!
It's actually C, which says that:
C) Limitations proposed by scientists who have bought into the materialist paradigm are wrong, but science as a method is accurate and most of the findings still make sense.
It's not about throwing out all scientific knowledge, it's about expanding upon what we already know. It's about moving forward into an era of post-materialist science, which these scientists explain better than I ever could.
True science accepts that new findings will cause old scientific facts to change. That means you have to accept that pretty much everything we believe to currently be right and true, could be proven wrong in the future, and a real scientist has to be ready to adjust as the info comes in. That's how you actually practice science. I feel like most people who go straight into dismissing anything magical in the name of science are really doing it in service to the religion of materialist science.
And I can only speak for myself, but I don't see that video and go "Everything we know about science is wrong, magic is real, no further investigation". I investigate all sides. I read the skeptics arguments, I actually deeply believed them for years and got straight A's presenting those arguments in papers during my psychology degree. I also look for further proof of magic being real (like the other video I posted which you'll probably dismiss as well, if you even take the time to watch it). But I don't just stop at watching videos online, I take the time to do my own experiments, and visit people who claim to be doing supernatural things. It wasn't until I had my own first hand experiences that I was convinced, and I don't expect any less from you. Of course, if your mind is closed, you'll never get the opportunity to see the proof, which hampers any objective investigation. And don't forget, condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
On December 05 2018 06:41 Loco wrote:
I am honestly depressed at the idea of having to run someone through how this is a really shitty scam. It shouldn't be possible for you to think about this for more than 5 minutes and not realize it is. I mean, really think. Zoom back. See the full picture. What it is that they are accomplishing with this talent. And what is the manner in which one can get it. See if this is what you or anyone you know would do with this talent, for starters. Why don't we just begin there. Can all of you who think this is real tell me precisely what you would do if it were you?
I'm honestly sad to see you respond by dodging, cause you've had so many good answers! This reads like when tutz says "My spiritual teacher said so, therefore it is so". It's not an explanation based on the observable data, it's an assumption based on your biases.
I'm not dodging anything; I said let's start with what it is that they are doing with this power and the way in which they are acquiring it. Let's zoom back a little because context, i.e. what we are not shown matters, as much as what we are shown matters -- if not more. We can address all of your concerns after. What would you do with this power (and what wouldn't you do)? -- Okay, so you've answered that. You'd turn yourself into the first person who has scientifically shown that supernatural powers are real in a double blind experiment or a series of them. Are they doing that? Why do you think they aren't doing that? What about how they are acquiring this power? That matters a lot. Can you answer those questions before we go into all of your theories about materialism and magic and my supposed skeptical bias? It's important because it informs how much credibility you give to the people and the items that you are presented in this video.
We all agree that it is impossible to know with 100% certainty whether this is real or not. We have to think probabilistically. Someone like me, or like Baal, uses occam's razor here at one end of the spectrum. For some reasons some of you think on the other end of the spectrum, and you believe this is almost certainly not a scam and this power exists. Ok. If you believe that, clearly it's based on what you have seen here, giving these people the benefit of the doubt, or not doubting them at all. So for me it is more important to get into that part of it, explore why you are making different assumptions than me, which is mostly based on what you haven't seen, the information that you didn't consider before you made your choice to believe this is legitimate. And in case you don't bring it up in your response, I'll raise this point now. You have to pay $10,000 to this guru in order for him to teach you how to awaken this power. Why do you think that is, and would you personally charge money for this service? If so, how much would you charge and why?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Apologies, didn't mean to dodge, I thought I was answering your questions, but I guess I didn't give you the answers you were looking for. I think I know what you want though, so I'll give it a try
Here we go, my attempt at the skeptic perspective! /skeptic hat on
"What are they doing with this power?" Trying to fool people into believing magic is real, and that she got the power from a magical guy who can give it to you too.
"What is the way in which they acquired it?" By paying money to a guy claiming to be a guru.
"Let's zoom back a little because context matters, as much as what we are shown matters" - in other words, the context is that they're trying to make money by fooling people into paying for ceremonies which will "give them magic powers" too. Therefore every person involved is part of the scam, from the girl to the guy asking the questions to the guru who supposedly opened her third eye.
Ok, /skeptic hat off. I hope I passed.
Here's the thing that I don't understand. You talk about credibility, but I have a feeling that I'm the only one of us who has successfully convinced people of their fake psychic powers. In other words, I have experience faking this stuff, not just knowledge of how to fake it. So which person's analysis is more credible? The one who can fake psychic powers, or the one who is smart enough to figure out how to fake them?
It feels like you're saying that I haven't thought about how to fake this, that I haven't taken the time to check if those are happening, despite the fact that I emphasized I had done so in my previous post. If you start from the bias that psychic stuff is impossible, then the simplest explanation is that people are lying. In other words, you'd rather call people liars than believe what you're seeing. What is your evidence that they're lying though? You only have suspicions that the props are faked, that there's some sorta comms device, that everyone is in on it and it's all staged. But those suspicions get upgraded to "obvious answer" when you start from a base belief that magic can't be real, "because science".
She's a child surrounded by spiritually minded people, not scientists, and she's showing her abilities to the world in what feels like a convincing manner from her perspective. If I had that ability, I'd go to a lab because I live in a world of scientists and understand what they need in order to be convinced. That's why I posted the second video, in the hope to have a better example to discuss which isn't as tainted by suspicions because it's a cleaner scenario.
Finally, you answered my question with a question, which is what I consider to be a dodge. But I appreciate that you're continuing in the conversation, and hopefully I've answered your question well enough that you will now answer mine
I removed the dodging part because I had missed your response in my first read -- I was distracted with something else when I first read your post and missed it, so I apologize. You did answer but not every question.
I also edited my post just now as you replied, so I'll give you the time to read it over and edit yours if necessary, before I read and respond. Note that I wasn't asking you to guess what their intentions were, or what I think their intentions are, just what it is that they are actually doing, which we have information about.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On December 04 2018 22:06 Spitfiree wrote:
What is odd to me in the general conversations is that all of you seem to believe that he has manifested his spiritual guide though. At least thats what my impression from the conversation has left me with.
Uhhhhhhhhhh. It's pretty easy to know who believes that/thinks it's possible/thinks it's ridiculous or doesn't care. I would think you've been around long enough to feel like that's a pretty easy task too. Most people from this website are in the latter category. You seem to think that because people aren't challenging him on it it means they believe it. It just means they think they have better things to do than challenge someone who is making unfalsifiable claims. It's only interesting to challenge people when they make falsifiable ones, which he did, so we responded to some of those.
It's actually not. The logic we use follows a specific paradigm. Regardless of the topic, regardless of the people that converse its bound to a specific environment and a dimension. The only issue with it, is that it actually limits itself in that paradigm because it follows factual data. What if the empirical data leading to a fact cannot explain everything though? Then we're basically blinding ourselves. I use the same paradigm, I try to stay as open minded as possible but very skeptical in the same time(if that makes sense)
Yet I've also talked with people that have experienced some weird shit that the logic we use cannot explain. There was a famous "oracle" here in Bulgaria, now before you think of me as an idiot bare with me for a bit more (I don't believe in astrology, oracles or any type of that shit). Anyway the oracle was called Baba Vanga, she lost her sight as a young kid and somehow became famous, as of how - I'm completely unaware. I've met a good amount of people that went to her and asked her a question. Some of them didn't even ask shit, they entered, she literally told them to not speak and told them something then told them to leave. I have a good friend of mine who lost his father, after his father disobeyed simple instructions of what NOT to do - it wasn't anything radical or hard she told him to do. I've spoken to a family who had their son kidnapped at a young age, just to return at the same age she told them he would ( also they didn't ask shit, they got in - she told them a number and asked them to leave, they were unaware what she meant, she reportedly didn't speak ... user-friendly so to say and always rushed saying other people need her help). She didn't gain shit from that btw, she lived in poverty from an young kid and died in such (I mean it was during the communism times, so no wonder there). As a matter of a fact people banked a good amount of money by publishing books about her and interpreting things she did/said, Russian televisions even ran some propaganda videos and shit like that.
The majority of stuff floating around on the internet about her seems quite ridiculous and misinterpreted and I would never trust anything I've read about her there, I only believed people that have met her while she was alive, which seemed quite sincere and their story was legit depressing. My friend has absolutely no reason to lie to me either.
There is no logic behind this. You cannot explain that shit, it makes zero sense. There are no facts, there's no data, no empirical observance would make sense of it, it's something that goes beyond it.
It also doesn't mean that you should go ahead and believe in oracles and prophets cause that would be quite retarded. My point is that there are things that exist, that our simple mind cannot perceive. Simply disregarding his "spiritual guide" is probably a good idea, but also an act of self-limitation. If there is a deeper knowledge we could obtain, we'd first have to be open to it, very skeptical, but still open. I'm sure every knowledge follow a specific set of rules and logic, but maybe not ones that we're used to.
On December 05 2018 23:11 Loco wrote:We all agree that it is impossible to know with 100% certainty whether this is real or not. We have to think probabilistically. Someone like me, or like Baal, uses occam's razor here at one end of the spectrum. For some reasons some of you think on the other end of the spectrum, and you believe this is almost certainly not a scam and this power exists.
You edited this in after I replied, and I want to respond to a few things.
I agree based on this 1 video, or even all the different videos I've watched of her, we cannot be 100% certain whether it's real or not. I hear you on probability and Occam's Razor, and it's what I expected from you as that's foundational thinking for the skeptically minded. And it's not bad to do, I use the same approach. But I don't start with the same bias against magical phenomena because I'm not bought into materialist science. Please check out this manifesto for post-materialist science which does a good job of explaining where I'm coming from.
Ok. If you believe that, clearly it's based on what you have seen here, giving these people the benefit of the doubt, or not doubting them at all.
No, my belief is not based on what I've seen here or just giving them the benefit of the doubt. It's based on a wide ranging investigation with an open mind. I describe that more in my reply to baal.
So for me it is more important to get into that part of it, explore why you are making different assumptions than me
Exactly, which is where I figured we'd get to and why I made my previous reply discussing "theories about materialism and magic and my supposed skeptical bias". Your assumptions come from your bias. That's my point
which is mostly based on what you haven't seen, the information that you didn't consider before you made your choice to believe this is legitimate. And in case you don't bring it up in your response, I'll raise this point now. You have to pay $10,000 to this guru in order for him to teach you how to awaken this power.
Incorrect. I have seen all the things you think should make it obviously fake, I did consider all the information. This isn't the first time I saw that video, I ran into it months ago and did a lot of investigation into where it came from and all the context.
Why do you think that is, and would you personally charge money for this service? If so, how much would you charge and why?
Because we live in a world of capitalism where you need money to do most everything, especially if you're trying to create a community. At the same time, I am not the biggest fan of that guru and ashram, because I feel the pricing is too high and there feels like a lot of showman ego going on. I've known about that community for a while, and though I'm not interested in joining it, I don't think it means this girl hasn't gained this ability.
And how much would I charge for it? My method is to operate on gift economy, where people give what they can and take what they need. I give people a suggested price and they decide what they want to give. For an hour session of yoga or meditation I suggest $75 - $125, and would do the same for this service.
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On December 05 2018 23:49 k2o4 wrote:
Here's the thing that I don't understand. You talk about credibility, but I have a feeling that I'm the only one of us who has successfully convinced people of their fake psychic powers. In other words, I have experience faking this stuff, not just knowledge of how to fake it. So which person's analysis is more credible? The one who can fake psychic powers, or the one who is smart enough to figure out how to fake them?
this isn't really much of an argument. performance magic is based in science and psychology, and science understands magic by being able to identify when our expectations on how the world works are violated. it would have been a lot better to say that your background in magic led you to look at different places and different times in the video for different things (or said a simpler way, it gives you a different perspective, not necessarily a better one). and while that response is fairly noncommittal, i don't think many magicians would take the position that they understand more about the "true versions" of the processes they are trying to fake, than their scientific counterparts - and even if they could make that claim specifically in terms of methodology, that should be easily communicable.
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