Spiritual Awakening - Page 2

On November 29 2018 22:51 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2018 20:45 tutz wrote:   On November 29 2018 20:34 lebowski wrote: " This is because plants have a much higher vibration frequency than animal-based food and so it becomes much easier to access higher states of consciousness if you eat vegetables only " up to this point I was just reading, this is when the serious started This sentence basically makes zero sense in any definition of the words involved and I now don't see the point of reading this text wall any further. Well perhaps later when I'm not tired af I could give the rest of it a try I wish I could explain it scientifically to you, but I can't. The vibrational frequency of food can't be mesured by our wordly science. I wrote what I learned and what worked for me. I'm sorry I couldn't be more scientifically precise. I made my best to be the least esoteric as possible, since I know LP is a place of skepticism. What my spiritual guide tells me is that our food industry creates a lot of pain and suffering in animals before killing them. This energy accumulates in their body and holds down the vibrational frequency of the food. Plants, on the other hand, specially those fresh from nature, have a very high vibrational frequency, since they hold all their vital energy almost intact. I hope you can read the rest anyway my friend. Namastê the statement you made is clearly empirically testable though. If vegetable diets make some sort of high level consciousness unlockable then you can just test that by comparing vegetable eaters to non vegetable eaters and comparing the difference.

Not really it'll be impossible to get an unbiased sample,
Not eating animals out of conviction is a placebo in itself, you have certain beliefs and all that needs to happen is you believe that it has an impact and it will
Where people that eat anything don't get the same effect since they don't care

And then you have the raw nutritional values, fibre content etc. That should be easy but shouldn't matter if it comes from organic vegetables or raped animals or even plants used for evil and satanic rituals

So I easily can see how being vegan does help with meditation etc.
Tutz just can't explain why that's where the words "frequency " "vibration" or "God" come from

That's my main question though. I don't need to reach higher conscousness to be good to other people, sure my ego sometimes show, but in the long run there is absolutely no reason to let yourself be a bad person. I'd rather have everyone do whatever they want to do without judging them as long as they dont harm anyone else. It feels like the only difference in my point of view and yours is that in yours, the ego is almost completely gone as far as i understand?

Dear friend,

You DO NEED a higher consciousness to be good, otherwise your ego will rule your life. The ego is a 'master of trickery'. It will always look for something to identify, for something to make you think you are better, or more deserving, or in any way different than others.

For instance, a lot of people in somewhat advanced levels of spiritual development are able to get rid of most of their ego identifications, but one common 'new identification' the ego loves is with the idea of being 'a enlightened person'. This will make the person start thinking they are special, because he/she was able to 'wake up' earlier than others, which again is a form of unconsciousness. What I'm trying to say is that even a very 'spiritual person' can fall for the traps of the ego. That's why it is important to meditate everyday, to be reminded everyday about our unity to the whole, to be humbled everyday by our wordly ignorance.

Namastê

On November 30 2018 08:59 Spitfiree wrote: not really, seems like he would exactly not post something like you just posted cause he s of full control of his mind, he would make the same point using some valid arguments which would push you towards changing your mind there s really zero reasons to express yourself with negative emotions ever if you're in control all the time (not judging you, i react like that on many occasions)

Good analysis.
What happens is that I'm describing a reality that is in opposition to the mental positions of a lot of fellow LPers. As long as I'm ignored or not taken seriously, those fellow LPers will feel their mental positions are intact (so their ego is preserved). But the minute someone gives me a positive recognition, their ego kicks in, as if they've been diminished. So they feel the need to come here and make sure they express their view in superiority to mine, as to strengthen their ego and restore their own self-validation. This is nothing I didn't expect, and it's ok. There is nothing I can do about it. I'm talking only to those who want to listen.

also I dont believe most of the things he s saying, but I have respect of the way he s handling himself in a topic which would receive a lot of hate. e.g. reincarnation doesn't make much sense as what would be the "architecture" of the process , we constantly have new people being born, yet animals go extinct... does the animal energy group up and reincarnate into a person or what,and thats the very basic question to begin with.... obv, the answer will probably be that our rational mind cant comprehend it, however i think everyone should decide for themselves if they can comprehend something or not, and at least give them the opportunity to

I believe I can answer your questions, but let me ask you something first.
Do you think the answer to those questions is going to be accepted by your rational mind? I guess you know it wont. Your brain won't just accept the answer, cause you know the answer can't be tested in a lab or scientifically replicated. It is as if the rational mind is saying: "Before I believe in your reincarnation story, how would this this and that work?". What I say is: please don't believe me. I do not want you to believe me, I want you to experience it.

You then could say: "How could I experience it? I'm sure I'm not seeing any ghosts like yourself". My answer is: if my words make absolute no sense to you, if for not even a second what I say resonates with a deeper part of you, then you should just ignore me, and I truly mean this. Every soul incarnated in our world is going through it's own journey, and awakening can't be forced. You must want to understand, you must want to seek, and if you do, if you seek, you shall find. Even if it takes a long time. But it must always come from inside yourself. Your intuition is the channel through which your higher self comunicates with your 3D brain. The more you meditate, the more you practice love, the higher your vibration is going to be, the more precise will be your intuition, the more your spiritual guides will be able to give you hints of the truth.

I hope this clarifies a bit.

Namastê

First I would like to say I'm not a healer of any kind, I don't have (or didn't develop yet) those habilities, and I don't know much about this form of esoteric knowledge yet, I'm still learning. Thank you for your question and I'm sorry to hear about your condition. I think I can say a few things about your case: -Fear is indeed the 'feeling' that hinders spiritual development the most; and hidden fears are even worse I believe, since you don't know how to face them -We must all come to the realization that there is nothing to be feared in a world where we are creation itself (I think you know that) -I believe your hidden fear can be something from a past life that you probably need to solve within yourself in this life in order to take the next steps in your journey; have you thought about doing Quantum Hypnosis? I have heard great things about it from people that went through somewhat similar experiences, but I don't know enough about it myself in order to recommend who to look for, but I'm sure you can do a little research about it, or even ask your mentor about it. I hope you find your answers my friend Namastê

Thank you very much for the response. Funny you mention past life hypnotherapy for uncovering fears, it was what a spiritual hypnotherapist talked to me about a few months ago, although I never followed up with a session. I will keep on seeking support from those who know more than I do.

As for your sharing spirituality with liquidpoker, it is probably the most controversial place for it, but I am super glad you did. I was a skeptic, I believed in NOTHING, until 2011 came along and I actually "experienced" spirit, or "god" during a healing session. I think it is incredibly hard to reach people at the experience level through words alone. Although, that is seemingly what Eckhart Tolle did to you.

I mostly keep my spiritual experiences to myself, because they really aren't anything dramatic from an outsider's point of view. Nobody cares to hear about it, from the first few people I explained the experiences to I quickly realized that my words would not even make them the slightest more interested in spiritual matters. But that does not make me better than them. Heck, being married and having a lifelong commitment to a partner is a pretty deep spiritual journey if you ask me. So I have great respect for people, and acknowledge their spiritual journeys of this lifetime as being wonderful, unique, and challenging, even if they don't or choose to not see it that way.

is tutz the same guy who wrote all those posts like 7-8 years ago about the lizard race and the world ending, etc?

(didnt read this thread at all, just thought i recognized OP name from back then)

On November 30 2018 13:04 Smuft wrote: is tutz the same guy who wrote all those posts like 7-8 years ago about the lizard race and the world ending, etc? (didnt read this thread at all, just thought i recognized OP name from back then)

Yes, that was me back in my days of hard trolling. I hope you don't judge me for that past

On November 30 2018 14:32 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2018 13:04 Smuft wrote: is tutz the same guy who wrote all those posts like 7-8 years ago about the lizard race and the world ending, etc? (didnt read this thread at all, just thought i recognized OP name from back then) Yes, that was me back in my days of hard trolling. I hope you don't judge me for that past

Seems like you raised your trolling game to a whole new level.

Also why should higher consciousness care about being judged by others ?

Seems like you raised your trolling game to a whole new level.

Sure I understand why you would think that. All I can say is that I'm not the same person I was 8 years ago

Also why should higher consciousness care about being judged by others ?

First I must say that the concept of judgement only exists in our 3D world of duality: good and bad, right or wrong, beautiful or ugly, etc. Higher consciouness operates in non-duality.

I certainly don't care about being judged here, which doesn't mean to say I don't care about being judged at all. For example, I care if my family judges me in a negative way, because I love them very much. If I had achieved an even higher level of consciousness, I would not care, but I'm not there yet.

I'm not saying you must achieve a level of enlightment where you will not care about anything in this world; that is a level of enlightment extremely rare to occur in our world, but you should certainly aim in that direction.

Finally, when I say: "I hope you don't judge me", I'm not saying 'please don't judge me or I will feel diminished', I'm saying: 'I hope you don't fall in the trap of your own ego and judge me'.

Namastê

agree with baal all of you new age spiritual guys are retarded.

if you guys notice basically you guys are quabbling amongst yourselves
guy 1: im right
guy 2: no your a newb im right
guy 3: no your both newbs im right

basically the reason for this is because the only person that ends up doing well in a cult is the cult leader. you guys all have a biological drive that compels you to assert yourself over others within this retard cult structure. perhaps this isnt true for 100% of people and its not to say you can benefit from it but i think for those invested enough in cults this becomes a prevalent structure.

ill also go further and say that cult structure is everywhere these days not just limited to spiritual stuff but also with fitness, diet, philosophy, yoga etc.

#woke

"Im more conscious and I dont have an ego and im gonna save all the unconscious people from their egos."

Sorry but the only word that comes up for that is superego.

Trying to be a humane, loveing saviour by basically floating above everyone with the story of being awake, saying namaste with a smirk.
Innocent, but its purely arrogance and it stinks, probably cuz it reminds of such entitlement and within the concept and toygame of consciousness so unconscious, on steroids.

The irony.

Thanks for letting me blow off some steam on newageness! #unwoke gratefulness
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On November 30 2018 18:57 longple wrote: #woke "Im more conscious and I dont have an ego and im gonna save all the unconscious people from their egos." Sorry but the only word that comes up for that is superego. Trying to be a humane, loveing saviour by basically floating above everyone with the story of being awake, saying namaste with a smirk. Innocent, but its purely arrogance and it stinks, probably cuz it reminds of such entitlement and within the concept and toygame of consciousness so unconscious, on steroids. The irony. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam on newageness! #unwoke gratefulness + Show Spoiler +

I'm not sure exactly what I said that made you come to that conclusion, but it certainly does not reflect my internal state.
I'm not trying to be humane, I am human, just like everyone here. And as I said, even the most 'spiritual person' carries an ego and must watch it all the time.

Lastly, pointing out unconscioussness in others is not a problem, as long as that doesn't change your inner state towards unconscioussness itself. i.e. feeling superior to the said unconscious person.

May I ask when did I give you the impression that I feel superior? It is important to me that I recognize where I'm acting unconsciously.

Namastê (there is no smirk here, as I truly bow to the divine in you)

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Edit: Let me add something.

I've learned in the past months that often when I try to teach spiritual knowledge to people that didn't ask for it (as I'm trying here in LP), I would get negative reactions, often accusing me of thinking I'm better than the other person, when I'm truly trying to help with heartfelt sincerity.

So I guess this is what is happening here. If it were the case that you asked for my help because you recognize I have some knowledge that you don't, you would be open to listen and learn, instead of trying to find flaws in my ways.

I'm very certain I have flaws and my spiritual journey has just began, but I'm also certain about my sincerity here. So all I can ask is that you point out where you think I failed as a teacher, so I can improve the next time.

Hard to stay frustrated when u reply so nicely I must admit.

My reaction seems to indicate I wasnt out to communicate at all, so I wont, this seems to just be my reaction to 99% of spirituality. Especially when appeared as spiritual people. In other words, just blowing off some steam.

Detilted, thank you for your service!

On November 30 2018 19:40 longple wrote: Hard to stay frustrated when u reply so nicely I must admit. My reaction seems to indicate I wasnt out to communicate at all, so I wont, this seems to just be my reaction to 99% of spirituality. Especially when appeared as spiritual people. In other words, just blowing off some steam. Detilted, thank you for your service!

Thank you for your sincerity!

On November 30 2018 18:57 longple wrote: #woke "Im more conscious and I dont have an ego and im gonna save all the unconscious people from their egos." Sorry but the only word that comes up for that is superego. Trying to be a humane, loveing saviour by basically floating above everyone with the story of being awake, saying namaste with a smirk. Innocent, but its purely arrogance and it stinks, probably cuz it reminds of such entitlement and within the concept and toygame of consciousness so unconscious, on steroids. The irony. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam on newageness! #unwoke gratefulness + Show Spoiler +

If you pretend that your shadow doesn't exist and that you are perfect then it will ultimately have the last laugh you will give off bad vibes imo passive aggressive this is what most enlightened people do because at least subconsciously they feel superior. I'm not really into the eastern mysticism which has been pushed on the west because they need a new religion because it really is the start of a new age (aquarian) this was predicted by some guy I can't remember when he noticed chakra systems in his british passport he committed suicide and was predicting shit about london olympics that didnt happen. So basically the new age is todays religion you will probably find a lot of good stuff but there is probably a trap to it all as well.
At the moment I am much more drawn to western mysticism/philosophy but it's not very popular atm usually the masses are wrong so looking for answers from echart tolle which I just see everyone and their nan talking about, I never gave him a chance but it sends red flags to me.
Oh actually what will be the new age is a blend of eastern and western I guess. Just be careful some of it is probably intentionally misleading like 'A course in Miracles' Which I find very suspect because it was channelled by a woman who later went insane and was right around mk ultra etc. Probably the best way to study this type of stuff is to look at where it has come from and just go back to where they are drawing their inspiration from.
One more thing is the guru worship I refuse to worship some other human being its just weird and people become stuck and they don't think for themselves anymore. I actually think these gurus are drawing energy from their followers but that is not confirmed lol.

On November 30 2018 11:12 Big_Rob_isback wrote: Show nested quote + First I would like to say I'm not a healer of any kind, I don't have (or didn't develop yet) those habilities, and I don't know much about this form of esoteric knowledge yet, I'm still learning. Thank you for your question and I'm sorry to hear about your condition. I think I can say a few things about your case: -Fear is indeed the 'feeling' that hinders spiritual development the most; and hidden fears are even worse I believe, since you don't know how to face them -We must all come to the realization that there is nothing to be feared in a world where we are creation itself (I think you know that) -I believe your hidden fear can be something from a past life that you probably need to solve within yourself in this life in order to take the next steps in your journey; have you thought about doing Quantum Hypnosis? I have heard great things about it from people that went through somewhat similar experiences, but I don't know enough about it myself in order to recommend who to look for, but I'm sure you can do a little research about it, or even ask your mentor about it. I hope you find your answers my friend Namastê Thank you very much for the response. Funny you mention past life hypnotherapy for uncovering fears, it was what a spiritual hypnotherapist talked to me about a few months ago, although I never followed up with a session. I will keep on seeking support from those who know more than I do. As for your sharing spirituality with liquidpoker, it is probably the most controversial place for it, but I am super glad you did. I was a skeptic, I believed in NOTHING, until 2011 came along and I actually "experienced" spirit, or "god" during a healing session. I think it is incredibly hard to reach people at the experience level through words alone. Although, that is seemingly what Eckhart Tolle did to you. I mostly keep my spiritual experiences to myself, because they really aren't anything dramatic from an outsider's point of view. Nobody cares to hear about it, from the first few people I explained the experiences to I quickly realized that my words would not even make them the slightest more interested in spiritual matters. But that does not make me better than them. Heck, being married and having a lifelong commitment to a partner is a pretty deep spiritual journey if you ask me. So I have great respect for people, and acknowledge their spiritual journeys of this lifetime as being wonderful, unique, and challenging, even if they don't or choose to not see it that way.

Dear friend, thank you for sharing your story. I took more time to answer you because I wanted to be more thoughtful in my answer.

It's always so interesting to hear other people's experiences with the spiritual realm. I'm always fascinated to hear the many different paths that lead people to start seeking. It's indeed important that we respect other people's own journeys, and that's also our own challenge: to watch unconsciousness in loved ones without reacting ourselves. If we can barely take care of our own egos, how could we think we could handle other's? We must follow our own journey, and teach by being the example. That's the best way. About your marriage, it can be a great vehicle for enlightment, but also for unconsciouness. Watch it.

A lot of light to you my friend. Namastê

That was a weird reaction longple and let me explain. There are two cases in which people that pretend/have more knowledge than you and try to educate you on it:

A) They are passive aggressive and act with superiority - in this case your response actually empowers them, even though you try to point them out as a fraud, their goal was reached, you spent efforts yet still lost the fight
B) They actually have that knowledge and you come off as the asshole

My point is that in both cases your reaction ends up being bad for you. Either way what tutz is saying isn't something new, nor mindblowing somehow, it is certainly things that many other people have tried and many of those have had their life changed towards good, it's not like he's trying to shove it down anyone's throat either, ultimately at the end of the day you either make a decision to use him as a source of information and gain from it, or just simply ignore him. Any other effort is pointlessly spent.

There's plenty of cases of people implementing breathing techniques that allowed them to do almost miraculous (actually miraculous in some cases) things. As far as I understand breathing techniques are a big part of the eastern religion type "rituals" (cant think of a better word) like meditation. Just go ahead and check the video about "Iceman" and how doctors have been absolutely mindblown. He uses breathing techniques that literally empower him tremendously physically. He decided to let go of rational explanations and go down the spiritual path after his wife suicided and ended up at a place that benefitted his life in all kinds of ways. He's also a guy that strongly believes rationality and science and tries to connect both worlds.

I think spiritual type people have a different brain than me. i'm not sure if there are any conditions where i could adopt such viewpoints.

On December 01 2018 01:25 Stroggoz wrote: I think spiritual type people have a different brain than me. i'm not sure if there are any conditions where i could adopt such viewpoints.

in the same way that squirrels have different brains than us, I agree

On November 30 2018 08:59 Spitfiree wrote: not really, seems like he would exactly not post something like you just posted cause he s of full control of his mind, he would make the same point using some valid arguments which would push you towards changing your mind there s really zero reasons to express yourself with negative emotions ever if you're in control all the time (not judging you, i react like that on many occasions)

Dont make the mistake of confusing demeanor with wisdom, he is typing anti-intellectual nonse, spirituality for the housewife and he should be called out on this bullshit, Deepak Chopra isn't "in control of his mind" he is a charlatan, and he often gets called out as an idiot by physicists who probably to you are "not in control of their minds" lol.

we constantly have new people being born, yet animals go extinct... does the animal energy group up and reincarnate into a person or what,and thats the very basic question to begin with....

Yeah new people souls are harvested by white extinguishing white rinos and cheetas.... Brilliant analysis Dr. control of my mind