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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 25 2017 10:13. Posts 34246 | | |
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
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Loco   Canada. Oct 25 2017 11:38. Posts 20963 | | |
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite? |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 25 2017 12:31. Posts 9634 | | |
morality is such a wide term ... I can easily interpret my point of view as moral one |
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Santafairy   Korea (South). Oct 25 2017 14:14. Posts 2224 | | |
| On October 25 2017 07:11 Loco wrote:
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On October 25 2017 03:05 Santafairy wrote:
| On October 24 2017 18:21 Loco wrote:
What treatment? Gender reassignment surgery? Do you think non trans people who go get surgeries like breast implants are mentally ill? Why is it suddenly a response to mental illness when the person who wants boobs is trans? Both of them will end up feeling better about their own bodies. Not all trans people want to transition, so does that mean sometimes it's a mental illness and sometimes it isn't? |
so you want me to believe that transgenderism is a costume that you just choose to put on, or not if you don't want, like a boob job?
or do you want me to believe that everyone who gets plastic surgery was born in the wrong body and CT scans of their brain show them to be more like big-boobed people and they always identified as having bigger tits and is oppressed if society doesn't humor them?
if you don't want to transition what's the point what are you even talking about
it'd be like coming out as gay but saying you only want to fuck girls
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So the best response you can come up with to my last question is an argument from personal incredulity fallacy? "I don't believe that all transgenders don't want to transition, therefore it mustn't be true" |
no it just seems wound up in the nature of this topic, that if you're born a man and want to live as a man what's the point, what are you even talking about that's at issue? why would that be a "thing" at all
| On October 25 2017 07:11 Loco wrote:
How is a boob job a "costume?" You don't have the option of unequipping them. The point is that people who invest in it do so because they believe it will help their self-esteem. Obviously the consequences of not transitioning for a trans person might more often be worse than not getting a boob job for a non trans person who really wants one, but the goal is still the same. If some trans people don't feel the need to do it (and I know two of them personally) then who are you to doubt them? |
(there are mastectomies)
the goal is not the same, women already have boobs and men don't, which is why a woman getting enhancements is a cosmetic choice, whereas a man getting boobs and lasering all his hair and cutting his cock off and hormoning his hips and voice to imitate a woman is not a costume
either people are born in the wrong body or not, if they aren't born in the wrong body and just choose this route, then this recent jump in sterilizing boys going through puberty and turning them into objects for mom and dad to express their munchausen's by proxy, that the doctor is up for because insurance covers it, and get millions of views on youtube when that should in reality be one of the most private things imaginable especially for a fucking developing child who doesn't know anything to begin with, shouldn't be a political issue because you could just do the sane thing and choose not to do it to begin with
i say boys specifically because mtf far outnumber ftm
| On October 25 2017 07:11 Loco wrote:
You also seem to assume that being trans means that you simply feel like you are the opposite sex than the one you were born with. But the term transgender isn't reserved for people who feel exclusively masculine or feminine, it also includes non-binary people who won't be seeking medical treatment. |
people who have experienced responsibility in life or can finish reading a book or walk outside at least once a day don't care about any of that fantasyland horse shit people invent to prop up their hobby of progressive activism |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 25 2017 16:29. Posts 9634 | | |
Please tell me how going out of the binary gender system makes you mentally healthy. I'm honestly open to arguments. Transgenders going from male to female and vice versa is one thing, but people identifying as a potato is quite another. Where exactly does it stop? |
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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 26 2017 06:30. Posts 34246 | | |
| On October 25 2017 15:29 Spitfiree wrote:
Please tell me how going out of the binary gender system makes you mentally healthy. I'm honestly open to arguments. Transgenders going from male to female and vice versa is one thing, but people identifying as a potato is quite another. Where exactly does it stop? |
Because as an embryo you were a female and then the presence of testosterone defined you as a male fetus, there is undeniable evidence that this process leads to a spectrum of "genders" involving males and female characteristic, undeniable evidence of this is that you are not as manly as lets say an UFC fighter, yet you are not gay, that shows and while you are both categorized broadly as men.
So the world isnt just UFC fighters and ballerinas, there are many in between and this happens in all species, so what do you define as "illness"? is an affeminate but straight man ill? or is it just when he wears a skirt?
The line is pretty clear, there are two sexes and your sexuality and identity is in that real, if you think you are a Lion or Napoleon then you obviously are making claims beyond what has been observable in our biology |
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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 26 2017 06:34. Posts 34246 | | |
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
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On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 07:19. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 05:30 Baalim wrote:
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On October 25 2017 15:29 Spitfiree wrote:
Please tell me how going out of the binary gender system makes you mentally healthy. I'm honestly open to arguments. Transgenders going from male to female and vice versa is one thing, but people identifying as a potato is quite another. Where exactly does it stop? |
Because as an embryo you were a female and then the presence of testosterone defined you as a male fetus, there is undeniable evidence that this process leads to a spectrum of "genders" involving males and female characteristic, undeniable evidence of this is that you are not as manly as lets say an UFC fighter, yet you are not gay, that shows and while you are both categorized broadly as men.
So the world isnt just UFC fighters and ballerinas, there are many in between and this happens in all species, so what do you define as "illness"? is an affeminate but straight man ill? or is it just when he wears a skirt?
The line is pretty clear, there are two sexes and your sexuality and identity is in that real, if you think you are a Lion or Napoleon then you obviously are making claims beyond what has been observable in our biology
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Every single cell (except sperm) determines your sex, that is observable in our biology.
This is evidence that there isnt a spectrum of "genders". |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 07:19. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
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On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 07:33. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 25 2017 02:49 deathstar wrote:
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On October 25 2017 01:43 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 24 2017 19:49 deathstar wrote:
| On October 24 2017 12:39 wobbly_au wrote:
I found it hard to find studies but I did come across this one that suggests the opposite of what you claim. That after gender reassignment surgery transgender people had increased suicide rates.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
“Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.” |
I looked at the studies numbers and they don't make sense.
324 participants. any death 27/99 What does that mean? Why would it be 27 out of 99 instead of 27 out of 324?
it says any crime, 60 out of 350. There only 324 participants.
Then it says violent crime, 14 out of 61. There are only 60 crimes.
wth?
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You aren't being honest with me or yourself.. Answer the questions. |
Can you explain the numbers to the study you linked?
You also have to find data on pre-op transgender people suicide rates to compare post-op suicide rates to.
It will be an indicator of what environment transpeople are living in in Sweden through that time period. |
dude, i cant teach you to read the results of a study man.. But the gist is that transgenders post-op are even more likely to attempt suicide.. Do your own research before you commit to your own surgery. GL |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 07:34. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 25 2017 09:07 Baalim wrote:
usually people with high IQ are more likely to killthemselves, so intelligence is a disease? |
Not unless high IQ is correlated with certain mental illness.
ALSO having high IQ doesnt increase you attempted suicide by 40% |
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| On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
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On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 08:36. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 07:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
haha drone baal called me an idiot.
Going into personal insults is worthless. |
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| On October 25 2017 01:45 wobbly_au wrote:
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On October 24 2017 21:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Wobbly, you keep citing suicide numbers as a reason for why being a transgender should be considered an illness/why it should be discouraged. At the same time, you insist on calling people by their natural genitalia rather than what they identify as. Are you really not able to see that maybe the prevalence of suicide is related to how transgenders are treated by their surroundings rather than some inherent degree of mental illness?
Like, 13% of rape victims attempt suicide too. 30% contemplate it. Is this also a consequence of mental illness? Severe bullying has the same impact. Transgenders are both way, way more frequently bullied (and also way more frequently subject to sexual assault) than what the case is for ordinary heterosexuals. Your insistence on using 'he' rather than she because you think gender is determined by birth-genitalia is a (to be fair, rather mild) version of this type of bullying behavior. Do you not understand that your treatment of transgenders literally contributes to what you seemingly describe as the main reason for why you want to discourage transgenderism? |
Like I said, Im fine with calling deathwing or any trans a pronoun if I get to know them.
What I am against is government writing it into anti discrimination bills and forcing me to do it.
That said, the science is still out on wether its a illness or not and I tend to think it is. Im not going around actively bullying anyone, I just dont want my liberties and tax money spent on LGBT agenda.
Yesturday was my day off andI had alot of fun learning about this stuff, today is back to work so dont be surprised if you guys dont see me for a few days
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Why do you have to know someone to not be an asshole? How is knowing someone supposed to be a prerequisite and not how you treat people from the get-go? If someone identifies as a woman, how does it negatively influence you to identify them as a woman? I don't get it. They are negatively influenced by you identifying them as a man, but the only way you can possibly get something out of insisting that they are a man, is through some penchant for sadism and enjoyment through their suffering. |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 08:40. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 07:38 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On October 25 2017 01:45 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 24 2017 21:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Wobbly, you keep citing suicide numbers as a reason for why being a transgender should be considered an illness/why it should be discouraged. At the same time, you insist on calling people by their natural genitalia rather than what they identify as. Are you really not able to see that maybe the prevalence of suicide is related to how transgenders are treated by their surroundings rather than some inherent degree of mental illness?
Like, 13% of rape victims attempt suicide too. 30% contemplate it. Is this also a consequence of mental illness? Severe bullying has the same impact. Transgenders are both way, way more frequently bullied (and also way more frequently subject to sexual assault) than what the case is for ordinary heterosexuals. Your insistence on using 'he' rather than she because you think gender is determined by birth-genitalia is a (to be fair, rather mild) version of this type of bullying behavior. Do you not understand that your treatment of transgenders literally contributes to what you seemingly describe as the main reason for why you want to discourage transgenderism? |
Like I said, Im fine with calling deathwing or any trans a pronoun if I get to know them.
What I am against is government writing it into anti discrimination bills and forcing me to do it.
That said, the science is still out on wether its a illness or not and I tend to think it is. Im not going around actively bullying anyone, I just dont want my liberties and tax money spent on LGBT agenda.
Yesturday was my day off andI had alot of fun learning about this stuff, today is back to work so dont be surprised if you guys dont see me for a few days
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Why do you have to know someone to not be an asshole? How is knowing someone supposed to be a prerequisite and not how you treat people from the get-go? If someone identifies as a woman, how does it negatively influence you to identify them as a woman? I don't get it. They are negatively influenced by you identifying them as a man, but the only way you can possibly get something out of insisting that they are a man, is through some penchant for sadism and enjoyment through their suffering. |
Not wanting to address someone is being an asshole? |
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| On October 26 2017 07:36 wobbly_au wrote:
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On October 26 2017 07:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
haha drone baal called me an idiot.
Going into personal insults is worthless. |
the point is that Baal has been aggressively anti-SJW for a long time. I have to some degree called him out it through claiming that he's kinda arguing against a strawman, that it's just a dumb right winger insult used against people who disagree with them and not a term with a clear definition, and that to the degree the term actually has a clear definition, it doesn't apply to 90% of the people targeted by it. And now you claim he is one. |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 08:50. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 07:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On October 26 2017 07:36 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
haha drone baal called me an idiot.
Going into personal insults is worthless. |
the point is that Baal has been aggressively anti-SJW for a long time. I have to some degree called him out it through claiming that he's kinda arguing against a strawman, that it's just a dumb right winger insult used against people who disagree with them and not a term with a clear definition, and that to the degree the term actually has a clear definition, it doesn't apply to 90% of the people targeted by it. And now you claim he is one. |
I think you are missing the point that I was trying to make.. Which is attacking people personally is pointless. |
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| On October 26 2017 07:40 wobbly_au wrote:
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On October 26 2017 07:38 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 25 2017 01:45 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 24 2017 21:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Wobbly, you keep citing suicide numbers as a reason for why being a transgender should be considered an illness/why it should be discouraged. At the same time, you insist on calling people by their natural genitalia rather than what they identify as. Are you really not able to see that maybe the prevalence of suicide is related to how transgenders are treated by their surroundings rather than some inherent degree of mental illness?
Like, 13% of rape victims attempt suicide too. 30% contemplate it. Is this also a consequence of mental illness? Severe bullying has the same impact. Transgenders are both way, way more frequently bullied (and also way more frequently subject to sexual assault) than what the case is for ordinary heterosexuals. Your insistence on using 'he' rather than she because you think gender is determined by birth-genitalia is a (to be fair, rather mild) version of this type of bullying behavior. Do you not understand that your treatment of transgenders literally contributes to what you seemingly describe as the main reason for why you want to discourage transgenderism? |
Like I said, Im fine with calling deathwing or any trans a pronoun if I get to know them.
What I am against is government writing it into anti discrimination bills and forcing me to do it.
That said, the science is still out on wether its a illness or not and I tend to think it is. Im not going around actively bullying anyone, I just dont want my liberties and tax money spent on LGBT agenda.
Yesturday was my day off andI had alot of fun learning about this stuff, today is back to work so dont be surprised if you guys dont see me for a few days
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Why do you have to know someone to not be an asshole? How is knowing someone supposed to be a prerequisite and not how you treat people from the get-go? If someone identifies as a woman, how does it negatively influence you to identify them as a woman? I don't get it. They are negatively influenced by you identifying them as a man, but the only way you can possibly get something out of insisting that they are a man, is through some penchant for sadism and enjoyment through their suffering. |
Not wanting to address someone is being an asshole? |
Deliberately using the male pronoun because 'in your opinion, it's still a man because he was born with a penis' despite the person insisting that she's a woman and that she wants to be addressed as a woman, yes, that's being an asshole. Not respecting how people want to be addressed in general is, tbh. If I started calling you 'vugly' 'because I think you are very ugly, and that the conservative rigidness of your thought patterns doesn't match the flexibility the nickname 'wobbly' indicates', that'd be me being an asshole, too.
Of course there's a limit. You still don't have to respect people's desire to be identified as 'potato' (guess what, this isn't a real thing), and I don't have to respect people's desire to be identified as SuperKing, Lord of All Men. But there are enough real transsexuals out there and it's well documented that they do find it hurtful when people misgender them, that this kind of hypothetical isn't really grounded in reality. |
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| On October 26 2017 07:50 wobbly_au wrote:
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On October 26 2017 07:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:36 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
haha drone baal called me an idiot.
Going into personal insults is worthless. |
the point is that Baal has been aggressively anti-SJW for a long time. I have to some degree called him out it through claiming that he's kinda arguing against a strawman, that it's just a dumb right winger insult used against people who disagree with them and not a term with a clear definition, and that to the degree the term actually has a clear definition, it doesn't apply to 90% of the people targeted by it. And now you claim he is one. |
I think you are missing the point that I was trying to make.. Which is attacking people personally is pointless. |
Which you eloquently made through attributing him with the 'positively laden' SJW term? |
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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 26 2017 09:01. Posts 6540 | | |
| On October 26 2017 07:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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On October 26 2017 07:50 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:36 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 07:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
| On October 26 2017 06:19 wobbly_au wrote:
| On October 26 2017 05:34 Baalim wrote:
| On October 25 2017 10:38 Loco wrote:
| On October 25 2017 09:13 Baalim wrote:
disease is just a term it doesnt fucking matter, what matters is if its moral or not, nothing else |
Blasphemy. Normality is all that matters. Everything that deviates from the norm should be shunned. We know this because unusual, eccentric people have never contributed a damn thing to humanity, amirite?
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This thread is a bit eye opening when you talk about the ideology of Peterson, it indeed fuels idiots like the ones in here with claims like "you are a man with tits and I dont care!", and these idiots dont realize they are as obtuse and dogmatic as the SJWs they hate |
Oh no SJW called me an idiot. |
haha baal he called you an SJW |
haha drone baal called me an idiot.
Going into personal insults is worthless. |
the point is that Baal has been aggressively anti-SJW for a long time. I have to some degree called him out it through claiming that he's kinda arguing against a strawman, that it's just a dumb right winger insult used against people who disagree with them and not a term with a clear definition, and that to the degree the term actually has a clear definition, it doesn't apply to 90% of the people targeted by it. And now you claim he is one. |
I think you are missing the point that I was trying to make.. Which is attacking people personally is pointless. |
Which you eloquently made through attributing him with the 'positively laden' SJW term? |
precisely. |
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