On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
On October 24 2017 08:43 Loco wrote:
Ben Shapiro, really? What next, Philippe Rushton mirrors your own thoughts on issues of race?
You are a really good example of someone who has dedicated an inordinate amount of time striving for money and personal status at the expense of knowledge and compassion, wobbly. I think you were dealt a worse hand than deathstar in some important respects, and it was really shitty of you to treat them how you did.
I was dealt a pretty shit hand, but but by any measure it was still a lot easier than deathstar. Whats wrong with Ben Shapiro's views? Or Mine? Or do you only have arrogant personal attacks?
You are a good example of an ignorant asshole. (This can go forever) So please debate the views and points or stfu.
brb. Youtubing Philippe Rushton! Stop getting butt hurt and discuss things Loco.
I don't debate people who get their education from YouTube between two League of Legends games. It's just not very productive. You can debate these things with others who have your own low standards, I'm sure they aren't hard to find.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 10:20. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 08:43 Loco wrote:
Ben Shapiro, really? What next, Philippe Rushton mirrors your own thoughts on issues of race?
You are a really good example of someone who has dedicated an inordinate amount of time striving for money and personal status at the expense of knowledge and compassion, wobbly. I think you were dealt a worse hand than deathstar in some important respects, and it was really shitty of you to treat them how you did.
I was dealt a pretty shit hand, but but by any measure it was still a lot easier than deathstar. Whats wrong with Ben Shapiro's views? Or Mine? Or do you only have arrogant personal attacks?
You are a good example of an ignorant asshole. (This can go forever) So please debate the views and points or stfu.
brb. Youtubing Philippe Rushton! Stop getting butt hurt and discuss things Loco.
I don't debate people who get their education from YouTube between two League of Legends games. It's just not very productive. You can debate these things with others who have your own low standards, I'm sure they aren't hard to find.
Did I hurt your feefees? Why do you feel so compelled to reply and attack me with out ANY argument?
The Last Laugh.
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 10:28. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 10:30. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
If a male athelete (by genitalia) decided one day to identify as a women should "she" be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport?
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 10:37. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to attempt suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
The Last Laugh.
Last edit: 24/10/2017 10:58
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 10:53. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
If a male athelete (by genitalia) decided one day to identify as a women should "she" be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport?
Your suicide stat is false. That 40% number is of attempted suicide not actual suicide.
I think it depends. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 12 then yes because she hasn't gained any advantage from testosterone pumping through her body for years. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 24 then no. Recreational sport I think so, but not professionally.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 10:58. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
If a male athelete (by genitalia) decided one day to identify as a women should "she" be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport?
Your suicide stat is false. That 40% number is of attempted suicide not actual suicide.
I think it depends. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 12 then yes because she hasn't gained any advantage from testosterone pumping through her body for years. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 24 then no. Recreational sport I think so, but not professionally.
What about 13 or 14 then? If not at 24 does that mean you partially agree that sex change doesn’t change your sex past a certain age? And that trans people will always have hormones, body, bone structure of the birthsex?
I did mean attempted suicide btw.. Thanks for pointing that out I've edited my post.
My counter point to you.
Why can't we call a man turned women a man albeit sometimes a beautiful looking man? If you are female in your head and you look like a women why does it bother you what society addresses you as?
Why take offense if I call you a man? I call everyone else based on what their ID card and genitalia say why should I make special concession based on your feelings?
Taking this point to an extreme, if I identify as a Sultan of Egypt can I demand you address me that way?
The Last Laugh.
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 11:05. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 11:10. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
The Last Laugh.
Last edit: 24/10/2017 11:13
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 11:21. Posts 6540
LOCO i've got about 10min left today to soak in your enlightened wisdom. Please POST.
The Last Laugh.
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 11:26. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
If a male athelete (by genitalia) decided one day to identify as a women should "she" be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport?
Your suicide stat is false. That 40% number is of attempted suicide not actual suicide.
I think it depends. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 12 then yes because she hasn't gained any advantage from testosterone pumping through her body for years. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 24 then no. Recreational sport I think so, but not professionally.
What about 13 or 14 then? If not at 24 does that mean you partially agree that sex change doesn’t change your sex past a certain age? And that trans people will always have hormones, body, bone structure of the birthsex?
I did mean attempted suicide btw.. Thanks for pointing that out I've edited my post.
My counter point to you.
Why can't we call a man turned women a man albeit sometimes a beautiful looking man? If you are female in your head and you look like a women why does it bother you what society addresses you as?
Why take offense if I call you a man? I call everyone else based on what their ID card and genitalia say why should I make special concession based on your feelings?
Taking this point to an extreme, if I identify as a Sultan of Egypt can I demand you address me that way?
I suffer people calling me a he only when I have to. A friend won't call me he. Because a friend cares about my feelings. I don't demand to be called she, I ask. I don't want to be around people who call me he either.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 11:27. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 08:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Poor boy...
Why would you address her incorrectly?
That's a girl. Gender identity is independent of natal sex. You should address her as her.
Having a penis doesn't mean boy.
I'll address him as he because he has a penis and his legal Identification says he is a boy.. He is very beautiful though, I hope he finds happiness..
Whether someone is a he or she is independent of genitalia.
If a male athelete (by genitalia) decided one day to identify as a women should "she" be allowed to compete in the women's division of the sport?
Your suicide stat is false. That 40% number is of attempted suicide not actual suicide.
I think it depends. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 12 then yes because she hasn't gained any advantage from testosterone pumping through her body for years. If a transwoman starts hormone therapy at age 24 then no. Recreational sport I think so, but not professionally.
What about 13 or 14 then? If not at 24 does that mean you partially agree that sex change doesn’t change your sex past a certain age? And that trans people will always have hormones, body, bone structure of the birthsex?
I did mean attempted suicide btw.. Thanks for pointing that out I've edited my post.
My counter point to you.
Why can't we call a man turned women a man albeit sometimes a beautiful looking man? If you are female in your head and you look like a women why does it bother you what society addresses you as?
Why take offense if I call you a man? I call everyone else based on what their ID card and genitalia say why should I make special concession based on your feelings?
Taking this point to an extreme, if I identify as a Sultan of Egypt can I demand you address me that way?
I suffer people calling me a he only when I have to. A friend won't call me he. Because a friend cares about my feelings. I don't demand to be called she, I ask. I don't want to be around people who call me he either.
Then you are absolutely reasonable and if we are friends and I grow to understand you I may just call you a she.
The problem I have is when legislation is passed (In Toronto Canada) where it is a violation of the discrimination act to not address a transgender by his or her chosen pronoun.
The Last Laugh.
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 11:46. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
that attmpted suicide stat is mostly pre-op, not post op.
1. protect children and women from what?
3. I think kids best grow up in a village. I disagree that kids grow up best based on genetic linkage.
My case for example. I would of been 1 quadtrillion times better off if I grew up with a transgender parent. That alone outweighs your entire argument.
Trans suicide, from my personal experience, comes from hopelessness. Most trans suicides and attempts I would guess are like 95%+ pre bottom surgery.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 11:51. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
that attmpted suicide stat is mostly pre-op, not post op.
1. protect children and women from what?
3. I think kids best grow up in a village. I disagree that kids grow up best based on genetic linkage.
My case for example. I would of been 1 quadtrillion times better off if I grew up with a transgender parent. That alone outweighs your entire argument.
Trans suicide, from my personal experience, comes from hopelessness. Most trans suicides and attempts I would guess are like 95%+ pre bottom surgery.
1. protect kids from sexual assault and perversion
3. Stats agree with me
Also your case while very sad is completely anecdotal so it doesnt outweigh my entire argument. Can you link some trans suicide rates post op?
Had you had a good family, maybe you wouldnt need any hormone treatment, painful hair removal or bottom sugery. You may very well be normal and not suicidal. The science is not settled we dont know if its curable, we dont know how much of sexual orientation is nature versus nurture.
And because of that last sentence is why I believe the whole topic should be explored to the fullest, but apparently, that's against morality ... It's hard to even address the problem as you can't even use words as "curable" as it's not proven to be a disease either.
If we'd be aware of how/why and all of the other 50 questions that come to mind, the whole situation develops like that for some people, we would be able to handle it properly from the very beginning and avoid people going through the same shit which apparently deathstar went through.
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 12:16. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
that attmpted suicide stat is mostly pre-op, not post op.
1. protect children and women from what?
3. I think kids best grow up in a village. I disagree that kids grow up best based on genetic linkage.
My case for example. I would of been 1 quadtrillion times better off if I grew up with a transgender parent. That alone outweighs your entire argument.
Trans suicide, from my personal experience, comes from hopelessness. Most trans suicides and attempts I would guess are like 95%+ pre bottom surgery.
1. protect kids from sexual assault and perversion
3. Stats agree with me
Also your case while very sad is completely anecdotal so it doesnt outweigh my entire argument. Can you link some trans suicide rates post op?
Had you had a good family, maybe you wouldnt need any hormone treatment, painful hair removal or bottom sugery. You may very well be normal and not suicidal. The science is not settled we dont know if its curable, we dont know how much of sexual orientation is nature versus nurture.
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gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate things.
transgender is not a sexual orientation.
Wtf is a good family by your definition, and spare me the father mother bullshit.
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wobbly_au Australia. Oct 24 2017 12:22. Posts 6540
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
that attmpted suicide stat is mostly pre-op, not post op.
1. protect children and women from what?
3. I think kids best grow up in a village. I disagree that kids grow up best based on genetic linkage.
My case for example. I would of been 1 quadtrillion times better off if I grew up with a transgender parent. That alone outweighs your entire argument.
Trans suicide, from my personal experience, comes from hopelessness. Most trans suicides and attempts I would guess are like 95%+ pre bottom surgery.
1. protect kids from sexual assault and perversion
3. Stats agree with me
Also your case while very sad is completely anecdotal so it doesnt outweigh my entire argument. Can you link some trans suicide rates post op?
Had you had a good family, maybe you wouldnt need any hormone treatment, painful hair removal or bottom sugery. You may very well be normal and not suicidal. The science is not settled we dont know if its curable, we dont know how much of sexual orientation is nature versus nurture.
...
gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate things.
transgender is not a sexual orientation.
Wtf is a good family by your definition, and spare me the father mother bullshit.
1. Father
2. Mother
3. Good childhood
Put man and woman together that is how you reproduce and that is the family unit that works and is the best configuration for raising a child.
Why do you think father and mother is bullshit? Do you have any proof it is bad to be raised by two parents? Every single study ever done has shown that a child raised by two parents out performs in every other configuration.
The Last Laugh.
Last edit: 24/10/2017 12:23
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deathstar United States. Oct 24 2017 12:24. Posts 111
On October 24 2017 09:31 Loco wrote:
You don't have any arguments worth discussing. You appeal to science without even knowing anything about the scientific consensus on transsexuality. The science disagrees with you. Instead of navigating YouTube with your confirmation bias, you could just go read up on what the American Psychological Association has to say about it. For example:
A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.
Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological sex are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ.
Transgender persons have been documented in many indigenous, Western, and Eastern cultures and societies from antiquity until the present day. However, the meaning of gender nonconformity may vary from culture to culture.
Can you explain how it is that you come to different conclusions and your opinion is more credible than that of the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the world?
thank you enlightened one for replying.
1. Trans people have a 30-40% likelihood to commit suicide, that is why i think they are mentally ill. Do you think having suicidal thoughts is healthy to your mind?
2. Secondly what the APA thinks and defines as being mentally ill doesnt change how I view this issue politically or morally. Why do you let other people think for you? I look at the data and make up my own mind, show me new data and I may change my mind like I have plenty of times during my growth as a person.
3. The crux of the argument in the last 10 posts of mine has been Im fine with LGBT groups to do as they please on their own dime, what I don't want them to do is promote their agenda on tax payer money.
Specifically im against.
1. Transgender public bathrooms
2. LGBT sex ed in public schools (and to a lesser extent "normal" sex ed)
3. Adoption of children by same sex and especially trans people
4. Im against Gay marriage if it means the government will subsidize it.
5. Subsizied gay parades
6. LGBT awareness days in work and what not.
Why do you think my views on these specific points are so abhorrent?
P.S whats wrong with learning on youtube? If I told you I learn all my shit by going to the library and researching it there does that make me smarter? Look at the data not the messenger. You logic is embarrassing...
Are you a libertarian?
1. are you opposed to unisex bathrooms? its just people pissing and shitting..
3. wtf? What do you have against trans people adopting children? Whether someone is a good parent isn't determined by sexual orientation or if someone is transgender.
4. If gay people start a family children they deserve all the government subsidies that straight families get. whatever those may be. idk
Are you libertarian?
I’m close to libertarian.
1. If it’s singular bathrooms then yes sure i dont mind if we all share the same bathroom. If public then they should be separated to protect our children and women.
3. I think kids grow up best in an environment with a father figure and a mother figure. I also think kids grow up best when both parents are mentally sound and not have a high propensity to kill themselves. Finally I think kids grow up best when they are genetically linked to both parents.
4. Not really because governments subsidize marriages because they want their society and thus government to continue. Childless marriages should not be subsidized by the government.
that attmpted suicide stat is mostly pre-op, not post op.
1. protect children and women from what?
3. I think kids best grow up in a village. I disagree that kids grow up best based on genetic linkage.
My case for example. I would of been 1 quadtrillion times better off if I grew up with a transgender parent. That alone outweighs your entire argument.
Trans suicide, from my personal experience, comes from hopelessness. Most trans suicides and attempts I would guess are like 95%+ pre bottom surgery.
1. protect kids from sexual assault and perversion
3. Stats agree with me
Also your case while very sad is completely anecdotal so it doesnt outweigh my entire argument. Can you link some trans suicide rates post op?
Had you had a good family, maybe you wouldnt need any hormone treatment, painful hair removal or bottom sugery. You may very well be normal and not suicidal. The science is not settled we dont know if its curable, we dont know how much of sexual orientation is nature versus nurture.
...
gender identity and sexual orientation are two separate things.
transgender is not a sexual orientation.
Wtf is a good family by your definition, and spare me the father mother bullshit.
1. Father
2. Mother
3. Good childhood
Put man and woman together that is how you reproduce and that is the family unit that works and is the best configuration for raising a child.
