LGBT Poll - Page 12

Can you give us a book or something

And this "theory" really makes no sense, perhaps it does in this concrete scenario, but overall has too many logical flows. I do agree with the conclusion, just not reached that way though

On October 30 2017 02:16 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On October 30 2017 01:46 Baalim wrote: except that insututionalized kids do much better than lgtb adopted kids, what do you say about that? If your concern were the well being of kids instead of just following your ideology you would support adoption from LGBT over kids staying in the system thats not true, just because pee smells better than poo doesn't mean I want to drink it.

You painted your argument as if your goal is to seek pragmatical well being of the kid and not an ideological (I obviously know this is a lile or self deception) and you just proved your argument is dishonest.

If gay parents are better than state institutions in raising a kid and your goal is the well being of said kid, you would support it, perhaps you would support straight over gay adoption, but you would support gay adoption over kids saying in the system, yet you dont.


I bet your dishonest argument could be used to deny certain races to adopt, since kids adopted by X race do worse, then they obviously cant adopt because they are also piss.

Lol how easy is to knock down houses of cards built upon twisted morality.

Wait I thought researching on youtube was dumb or only the stuff that disagrees with your worldview... Ok my attention for this subject has run its course, I've said all I have to say on the issue.

See you all in Hand discussion.

On October 31 2017 00:18 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 30 2017 02:16 wobbly_au wrote:   On October 30 2017 01:46 Baalim wrote: except that insututionalized kids do much better than lgtb adopted kids, what do you say about that? If your concern were the well being of kids instead of just following your ideology you would support adoption from LGBT over kids staying in the system thats not true, just because pee smells better than poo doesn't mean I want to drink it. You painted your argument as if your goal is to seek pragmatical well being of the kid and not an ideological (I obviously know this is a lile or self deception) and you just proved your argument is dishonest. If gay parents are better than state institutions in raising a kid and your goal is the well being of said kid, you would support it, perhaps you would support straight over gay adoption, but you would support gay adoption over kids saying in the system, yet you dont. I bet your dishonest argument could be used to deny certain races to adopt, since kids adopted by X race do worse, then they obviously cant adopt because they are also piss. Lol how easy is to knock down houses of cards built upon twisted morality.

We shouldnt promote the idea of LGBT adoption nor should we push the idea of state adoption, we should push for traditional family values. How hard is that to understand?

I am not being dishonest or amoral, but each to their own.

The state takes care of many children, its not adoption, but children in foster care waiting to be adopted, but you are against gay parents adopting, despise the fact it is an easily demonstrable statistical fact that children who do not get adopted do much worse than kids adopted by gay parents, so what is your argument against that?

On October 31 2017 02:25 Baalim wrote: The state takes care of many children, its not adoption, but children in foster care waiting to be adopted, but you are against gay parents adopting, despise the fact it is an easily demonstrable statistical fact that children who do not get adopted do much worse than kids adopted by gay parents, so what is your argument against that?

I have none I just dont want Tax dollars to promote how amazing it is because it isn't. I want the state to measure each adoptive couple/family (gay or otherwise) individually and decide case by case but favoring man/woman couples that want to adopt over gay/trans couples.

Im not saying gay adoption shouldn't ever happen, im saying it isn't as good as normal families adopting.

On October 31 2017 01:18 wobbly_au wrote: Wait I thought researching on youtube was dumb or only the stuff that disagrees with your worldview... Ok my attention for this subject has run its course, I've said all I have to say on the issue. See you all in Hand discussion.

He linked literally hundreds of publications and a wikipedia page. Presumably you wouldn't read those though, so he also tried to make the knowledge accessible to you through the form of a youtube video. Researching stuff on youtube is indeed kinda dumb (depends what you are researching obviously) but video is a fine medium for presenting information.

On October 31 2017 00:00 Spitfiree wrote: Can you give us a book or something And this "theory" really makes no sense, perhaps it does in this concrete scenario, but overall has too many logical flows. I do agree with the conclusion, just not reached that way though

https://www.amazon.com/Worm-Core-Role-Death-Life/dp/1400067472
https://www.amazon.com/Denial-Death-Ernest-Becker/dp/0684832402/
https://www.amazon.com/Escape-Evil-Er...ker/dp/0029024501/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

On October 31 2017 02:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2017 01:18 wobbly_au wrote: Wait I thought researching on youtube was dumb or only the stuff that disagrees with your worldview... Ok my attention for this subject has run its course, I've said all I have to say on the issue. See you all in Hand discussion. He linked literally hundreds of publications and a wikipedia page. Presumably you wouldn't read those though, so he also tried to make the knowledge accessible to you through the form of a youtube video. Researching stuff on youtube is indeed kinda dumb (depends what you are researching obviously) but video is a fine medium for presenting information.

And I bother to do all of that to have one dude handwave it all away and another dude claim it's a "theory" in quotes. So it's so stupid it doesn't even deserve to be called a theory. Lol, why do I even bother posting on this site at all.

On October 31 2017 01:18 wobbly_au wrote: Wait I thought researching on youtube was dumb or only the stuff that disagrees with your worldview...

Good thing I qualified my post at the time by saying YouTube was a fine complement to reading, and I basically complemented my post which had links to reading materials. Yep, I'm an incredibly inconsistent guy.

Since Wobbly had his say, I want to have my say too.
1. Its okay for boys to be pretty.
2. Its okay for girls to play with legos.
3. The archetypes of the warrior male and the beautiful female should be chosen, not forced. Sword and shield (power) man, Hand mirror (beauty) woman.
Just look at the symbols of male and female!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_symbol
4. Its okay for a woman to be a warrior and a man be beautiful.
I believe that children being raised in a gender neutral upbringing is superior to all! Because they choose their paths based on affinity not force.
There is no harm in a boy wearing a skirt or putting on makeup. And there definitely is no harm with a girl playing with trucks.
But some parents freak out like the world is ending when they do.
I hope you aren't one of those parents Wobbly_Au

I wonder about the demographic that take's wobbly's stance...I'm assuming vast majority are white males....

just because you can't empathize with suffering doesn't mean belittling it will make it all go away.

I read most of this thread, the one thing I could not agree with, no matter what it seems, is giving children drugs to help them transition to another sex. That to me seems absurd. I am all for an adult wanting to do whatever he wants with his or her body. As long as this mutilation is not forced up on him or her, go for it, no matter what I think of it, it should be part of their freedom and choice. BUT , i feel that adults or people in power should have restraint when allowing children to what is clearly illogical. I hear the side of where gender is a social construct, but sex is sex, I don't get the term transgender, they are tran-sexuals, and children should not be allowed to take drugs to help them change their sex.

Hey guys I'm just going to bail out of the thread because I have nothing to say to defend my prejudices and I'll instead be passive aggressive on my own blog and then I'll come back to post a 3 hour podcast between two comedians and that serves as an argument for my views in the form of an appeal to (non-)authority. - wobbly 2017

I would like to thank posters such as Loco and Drone for trying to shed some light on these issues by using science, logic and argumentation. The world needs people like you who in the face of ignorance and intolerance spend their time and effort (I know it takes a SHITLOAD of effort and constraint to argument respectfully in the face of ignorance) to educate others.

I would also like to comment that I feel sad that young people (under 30) with access to internet know so little about the world. Some people have views and opinions that are so outdated and quite honestly laughable.

I made a giant leap in the development of my emotional self when I realized how, because of how our brains function, admitting that oneself is wrong is really difficult. When our opinions and world views are attacked we feel like our own person is being attacked and this triggers the same responses as if you are being hunted (sorta). There are so many situations when I am in an argument (with a friend, wife, co-worker, whoever) that I stop listening and start going into defend/attack mode. I wish more people would try to learn more about themselves and their emotions. The gains are potentially enormous, not only for oneself, but for humanity as a whole.

On November 08 2017 20:35 Gumster wrote: I made a giant leap in the development of my emotional self when I realized how, because of how our brains function, admitting that oneself is wrong is really difficult. When our opinions and world views are attacked we feel like our own person is being attacked and this triggers the same responses as if you are being hunted (sorta). There are so many situations when I am in an argument (with a friend, wife, co-worker, whoever) that I stop listening and start going into defend/attack mode. I wish more people would try to learn more about themselves and their emotions. The gains are potentially enormous, not only for oneself, but for humanity as a whole.

That phenomenon has a name, "the backfire effect". See: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect

On October 20 2017 16:41 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On October 20 2017 10:06 wobbly_au wrote: LGBT the loudest most useless group of people. poker players are a far more useless group of people if your thinking of contribution to society.

Yea. Buying things and contributing to the economy is really useless.

On November 26 2017 10:27 Trav94 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 20 2017 16:41 Stroggoz wrote:   On October 20 2017 10:06 wobbly_au wrote: LGBT the loudest most useless group of people. poker players are a far more useless group of people if your thinking of contribution to society. Yea. Buying things and contributing to the economy is really useless.

yeah because the people you win money from were not going to do that. In terms of societal contribution, with the exception of people who play at such a high level that they have a fanbase to provide entertainment for, poker players are like welfare recipients except they to a larger degree get their income from people with economic hardships of their own. The guy lalibertes out there make up a tiny segment of the total poker economy.

This isn't meant as an attack on poker players, whether you want societal contribution to be a factor in your life choices is up to you, and we mostly all want to get by and do what we perceive as best for ourselves. But the idea of a poker player attacking some other group of people as 'useless' is totally laughable.

On October 30 2017 22:58 deathstar wrote: omg Loco

this was so humorously timed i spat my drink out