- Johny Hendricks stated that he will retire from MMA if he loses to Neil Magny. (It's not a knock on Magny, more so that Hendricks' career is basically done and he knows if he can't win this fight, he should quit -- he is 1-3 in his last 4 fights, and that one win was him taking Matt Brown down 9 times and winning by decision and not doing much damage at all).
- Matt Brown was expected to face former Strikeforce Welterweight Champion Tarec Saffiedine at the event. However, Brown was pulled from the fight on November 11 in favor of a match-up with former UFC Lightweight Championship challenger Donald Cerrone three weeks earlier at UFC 206. Brown was replaced by Dong Hyun Kim on November 16.
- Maryna Moroz was very briefly linked to a fight with Jessica Andrade at the event. On December 7 Moroz was replaced by Invicta FC Strawweight Champion Angela Hill. Hill was then ruled out of fighting at UFC 207 because of a rule in the UFC's anti-doping policy with USADA. Subsequently, promotion officials have not determined whether or not they would attempt to find a replacement to face Andrade, or reschedule her for another event.
- Sabah Homasi was linked to a fight with Brandon Thatch at the event. However, Homasi pulled out due to injury and was replaced by promotional newcomer Niko Price on December 12.
- A potential heavyweight title eliminator bout between former UFC Heavyweight Champions Fabrício Werdum and Cain Velasquez was expected to take place on the card. The pairing met previously in June 2015 at UFC 188, with then interim champion Werdum unifying the title, as he won the fight via submission in the third round. However the Nevada State Athletic Commission, after analyzing physical examinations and interviews, deemed Velasquez unfit to compete and pulled him from the event on December 24. The bout was eventually scrapped.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 19 2016 08:15. Posts 13041
First impression of the match-ups:
• Nunes vs. Rousey (dunno)
• Cruz vs. Garbrandt (dunno)
• Werdum vs. Velasquez (dunno)
• Dillashaw > Lineker
• Magny > Hendricks
• Kim > Saffiedine
• Garcia > Pyle
• Smolka > Borg
• Oliveira > Means
• Vettori > Junior
• Thatch vs. Price (dunno)
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
I am going big on Ronda, Cruz, Velasquez and TJ. I like a lot the odds on those.
People are saying that Ronda will lose because how she was affected about her loss and she will fight with emotions. But Ronda always fight with emotions, she is maybe the only one that is truly mad with her opponents before (and after) a fight, like with Miesha and Correia.
About Cruz and TJ, those two are on another level in the division.
I think Velasquez will KO Werdum, the only reason Werdum won the first fight was because they fought in Mexico.
UFC s doing everything they can to put Ronda at the top for as long as possible, its up to her now. Holme s gonna get the title in the new woman division
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Minsk United States. Dec 19 2016 21:06. Posts 1558
Rousey > Nunes
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soberstone United States. Dec 19 2016 22:27. Posts 2662
The only thing I'm sure of with rousey vs Nunez is an early finish. I see no reason to bet anything other than "fight does not start round 3". How can anyone know how bad rousey really is. There are so many unknowns and this is the type of fight that can look completely differently if you run it back 10 times just depending on who lands first, etc.
Cruz over Cody with a Cody early finish prop for a hedge seems standard, def feel great about the price on Cruz, garbrandt has shown me nothing to think he deserves to be a modest underdog - 2 impressive kos, 1 over mitzugaki, proves almost nothing. Watch his fight vs the Mexican guy from tuf - still plenty of holes in his striking. Cruz is going to most likely play games with him unless he gets caught early or Cody happens to be insanely good.
Also big on Cain - the Mexico fight was all about werdum fighting the best fight of his career and being used to Mexico. He's gonna get murked this time.
I personally think the Tj vs linekar fight could be close, but still no reason to go against Tj who is obviously a much better fighter, just sorta tough to be that confident against linekars chin and power in a 3 round fight
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soberstone United States. Dec 19 2016 22:30. Posts 2662
I also like means and Borg. Want to pick magny over Hendricks but without getting any underdog value it just seems crazy.
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traxamillion United States. Dec 20 2016 01:57. Posts 10468
is it just me or do they make nunes look as bad as possible in that headline poster pick in the OP
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 20 2016 03:19. Posts 13041
On December 20 2016 00:57 traxamillion wrote:
is it just me or do they make nunes look as bad as possible in that headline poster pick in the OP
That's the first thing I said to myself.
I mean, she isn't a beautiful woman or anything, but she has never looked as bad as they make her look in that poster.
When Nunes actually tries to look feminine, she is actually decent looking. Although, since she's the "man" in her relationship, it's rare she actually tries to look feminine.
On December 19 2016 21:27 soberstone wrote:
The only thing I'm sure of with rousey vs Nunez is an early finish. I see no reason to bet anything other than "fight does not start round 3".
I disagree, Nunes sure is a powerful striker but I dont think she is going to make the mistake other women did in the past and trying to KO Ronda early on, she will try to circle and keep moving and Ronda is quite durable and had a big time to recover from that KO.
So I think it all depends in Nunes submission defense and I have no idea how good she is, she lost to GnP before but Ronda doesnt do much damage from top position so I think you are too certain of an aspect of Nunes we dont really know much about.
It wouldnt surprise me that mucht if this went to the 3rd round with an exhausted Nunes drawing dead if her defense is good.
Also Cain looked great in his last fight and Werdum didnt, and its easy to attribute Cains loss to Mexicos height but it wasnt just that he gassed early, he really got dismantled by Werdum in all aspects, I am not confident in Cain beating Werdum
On December 20 2016 00:57 traxamillion wrote:
is it just me or do they make nunes look as bad as possible in that headline poster pick in the OP
That's the first thing I said to myself.
I mean, she isn't a beautiful woman or anything, but she has never looked as bad as they make her look in that poster.
When Nunes actually tries to look feminine, she is actually decent looking. Although, since she's the "man" in her relationship, it's rare she actually tries to look feminine.
They are trying to make ronda look as good as possible.
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soberstone United States. Dec 21 2016 02:08. Posts 2662
On December 19 2016 21:27 soberstone wrote:
The only thing I'm sure of with rousey vs Nunez is an early finish. I see no reason to bet anything other than "fight does not start round 3".
I disagree, Nunes sure is a powerful striker but I dont think she is going to make the mistake other women did in the past and trying to KO Ronda early on, she will try to circle and keep moving and Ronda is quite durable and had a big time to recover from that KO.
So I think it all depends in Nunes submission defense and I have no idea how good she is, she lost to GnP before but Ronda doesnt do much damage from top position so I think you are too certain of an aspect of Nunes we dont really know much about.
It wouldnt surprise me that mucht if this went to the 3rd round with an exhausted Nunes drawing dead if her defense is good.
Also Cain looked great in his last fight and Werdum didnt, and its easy to attribute Cains loss to Mexicos height but it wasnt just that he gassed early, he really got dismantled by Werdum in all aspects, I am not confident in Cain beating Werdum
Fair arguments, I just disagree.
I think there's little chance Nunes will try circling and picking Ronda apart the way Holm did for more than a minute or two, she'll gas out trying to do that, her footwork isnt good enough and Ronda comes so aggressively, she'll engage before long. Than its two offensive dyanamos going full steam, one with horrible striking defense whos fucked on the feet but still 1 punch KO threat vs a powerhouse striker with a horrible gas tank who's fucked on the bottom if gets taken down.
I could see it going longer only if Ronda tries to completely change who she is, which with the emotion of the fight I doubt is even possible, and with her lack of actual technique I doubt would be beneficial. She probably knows that too. I agree Nunes will try and stay on the outside, but she won't be able to - but she can def still win.
As for Cain v Werdum, Cain was winning for 4 minutes, I suggest a re-watch. He just didn't have anything behind his shots after a couple minutes and Werdum got more and more dangerous as the fight went on. The trajectory and fight as a whole should look completely different IMO, if this Werdum can still even eat those early shots. It took all of Cains energy to bully him for those minutes he was winning, I think it will be like a knife through butter this time.
Cain is still probably the best HW on earth. I can't give more credence to 1 fight where the air clearly affected most people over his more recent fight + the rest of his career where he's never slowed down for a moment.
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soberstone United States. Dec 21 2016 03:27. Posts 2662
Actually don't think I'm on Magny here. Hendricks didn't look as bad as I'd remembered vs Gastelum (looked shook from the Wonderboy Ko still in rd 1, then kinda came out of it) and Magney has always been so hittable.
Might be on Hendricks, we'll see @ weigh-ins.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 22 2016 00:14. Posts 13041
Brett Okamoto writes:
Amazing, considering the fact it's currently difficult for Velasquez to stand upright any longer than 10 minutes due to pain in his lower body.
Velasquez, 34, is experiencing pain in his right leg, due to pressure on his sciatic nerve caused by bone spurs. Earlier this year, pain in his left leg forced him out of a scheduled title fight at UFC 196.
"It's an achy pain that goes down your leg and it gets to a point where if you're standing for 10 minutes, you have to sit down," Velasquez told ESPN.com. "If you're going out for a while, a half-hour, you know it's going to be pretty painful. You have to sit down and take the compression off your back.
The option of pulling out of yet another fight (something Velasquez has been forced to do multiple times) was discussed, but ultimately he and his team found a different solution: Cannabidiol (CBD).
"It's the only thing that allows me to still train, and I'm not taking a harmful pain killer into my body that I'll later become addicted to," Velasquez said.
CBD is not a banned substance under the UFC's anti-doping program during out-of-competition testing. Velasquez plans to discontinue use at least one week prior to the fight, in order to stay in compliance with the program. He also plans on receiving a cortisone shot to help with any pain.
The in-competition window is six hours prior to weigh-ins through six hours after the fight.
"As far as preparation, I've done everything," Velasquez said. "I've sparred, wrestled. I'm not missing workouts at all. I've done my conditioning -- everything. I feel great going into this.
I don't think that mentality of more is more will ever go away in MMA. Training 7/7 is just bad for you and AKA fighters are showing it with their pullout %. They need to change something in the way of doing things.
Too many question marks on Nunes - Rousey for me. At first I thought there is big value on Amanda opener, but now I am not so sure and odds also have become a lot closer. She can for sure crack Ronda early and finish her, but also can get armbarred and also gas out and lose the fight pretty easy. U1.5 is obv good to play but the current price that I am seeing at -220 is pretty shit, imo.
Anybody that bets at Cain Velasquez on this odds for me is insane. There is big emphasis on the altitude for the 1st fight, but lets be realistic - Werdum was doing very well even in the first round. He is superior in the clinch and wizard of his back so that negates Cain's strongest feats - his wrestling/gnp and his dirty boxing/pressure against the fence. Add to that the information about Velasquez injuries, I think there is pretty clear value on Werdum in this fight.
Cruz will school Garbrandt - I like his line here a lot.
TJ and Lineker should be really fun fight. Usually TJ should take this by being more technical and superior in most facets of the game, but he can easily be lured into brawling and also Lineker excels in this, so he is very live dog in this fight. Odds should be closer, imo.
On December 23 2016 02:50 Baalim wrote:
I dont remember seeing fights with so much betting value in a while, easy bets on Ronda, Werdum, Cruz and TJ
agreed with this. Except maybe for TJ fight. I think -250 is about right.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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Minsk United States. Dec 23 2016 17:43. Posts 1558
I would definitely lean towards Garbrandt. Even though I understand his style matches up very poorly with Cruz's.
With these odds, his hunger, Cruz's injury, and the levels.
I think Cruz uses psychology a lot to outwit his opponents, and I think Garbrandt might not think enough for Cruz to feint him the way he does with others. Hes more instinctual and animalistic, to where his movement games might just not work.
On December 23 2016 16:43 Minsk wrote:
I would definitely lean towards Garbrandt. Even though I understand his style matches up very poorly with Cruz's.
With these odds, his hunger, Cruz's injury, and the levels.
I think Cruz uses psychology a lot to outwit his opponents, and I think Garbrandt might not think enough for Cruz to feint him the way he does with others. Hes more instinctual and animalistic, to where his movement games might just not work.
The thing is, Cruz's technical striking is most likely superior to Cody.
Cruz will also most likely mix in TDs to win rounds and keep Cody guessing.
Cody does have legit power, but Cruz has never been KO before, and this is 135.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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wongfeihung United States. Dec 24 2016 05:44. Posts 48
On December 23 2016 16:43 Minsk wrote:
I would definitely lean towards Garbrandt. Even though I understand his style matches up very poorly with Cruz's.
With these odds, his hunger, Cruz's injury, and the levels.
I think Cruz uses psychology a lot to outwit his opponents, and I think Garbrandt might not think enough for Cruz to feint him the way he does with others. Hes more instinctual and animalistic, to where his movement games might just not work.
Isn't that exactly why Cruz's style works? He can condition his opponents to react a certain way to his attacks/feints. He also uses his feints to read his opponent's reaction. If Garbrandt doesn't catch on to what Cruz is doing, then he falls right into the trap. Fighters have to be able to intelligently pick things up during the fight and adjust if they want to beat Cruz. If someone is relying on bullrushes and lucky shots to beat their opponent, I don't see how anyone can expect them to beat an extremely cerebral fighter like Cruz.
On December 23 2016 16:43 Minsk wrote:
I would definitely lean towards Garbrandt. Even though I understand his style matches up very poorly with Cruz's.
With these odds, his hunger, Cruz's injury, and the levels.
I think Cruz uses psychology a lot to outwit his opponents, and I think Garbrandt might not think enough for Cruz to feint him the way he does with others. Hes more instinctual and animalistic, to where his movement games might just not work.
Isn't that exactly why Cruz's style works? He can condition his opponents to react a certain way to his attacks/feints. He also uses his feints to read his opponent's reaction. If Garbrandt doesn't catch on to what Cruz is doing, then he falls right into the trap. Fighters have to be able to intelligently pick things up during the fight and adjust if they want to beat Cruz. If someone is relying on bullrushes and lucky shots to beat their opponent, I don't see how anyone can expect them to beat an extremely cerebral fighter like Cruz.
Exactly, you dont counter an intelligent fighter by being stupid.
That is what Cruz does, he gets you to react instinctively to his moves and he capitalizes, Garbrandt is drawing dead and I cannot believe these odds, he hasnt beat anybody
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Minsk United States. Dec 24 2016 21:02. Posts 1558
Maybe that's the case. Thanks for the opinions. I'll lay off Garbrandt.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 25 2016 00:40. Posts 13041
JDS agreed to step-in for Cain, but Fabricio Werdum turned him down. There was news about Cain might not being able to fight 2+ days ago, and JDS even said he'd take the fight on short notice.
Still a decent card, but unless Werdum accepts the fight with JDS, we'll have a 10-fight card.
Nunes by murdering Honda into permanent retirement.
Honda's previous opponents were shit, build-up fights and the first time she encounters a decent striker she gets her head caved in.
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jvilla777 Australia. Dec 25 2016 10:50. Posts 1348
On December 25 2016 03:14 whamm! wrote:
I keep it simple in women's mma.
Whoever fights "manlier" wins.
Nunes by murdering Honda into permanent retirement.
Honda's previous opponents were shit, build-up fights and the first time she encounters a decent striker she gets her head caved in.
Lol I guess I'm not the only one that sees this. #lolronda
Nunes will punch a hole through honda's face and obliterate that mole into oblivion....
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Dec 25 2016 11:27. Posts 15163
On December 19 2016 08:12 Baalim wrote:
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
Isnt there a lot of variance in this? That Rousey fight she lost was all about literally one kick that landed. Rest of the fight she was just still put off balance by that one hit.
On December 19 2016 08:12 Baalim wrote:
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
Isnt there a lot of variance in this? That Rousey fight she lost was all about literally one kick that landed. Rest of the fight she was just still put off balance by that one hit.
On December 19 2016 08:12 Baalim wrote:
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
Isnt there a lot of variance in this? That Rousey fight she lost was all about literally one kick that landed. Rest of the fight she was just still put off balance by that one hit.
I dont understand what you are saying at all
He's saying there is a lot of variance in a fight, and that Holm won because of a lucky kick that changed the tide of the fight.
But i disagree, i think Holm dominated that fight hard.
wasnt a lucky kick plus Holm controlled every inch of the octagon and movement, Rousey did not do a single thing that fight, didn't even manage to land a TD, as far as i remember Holm stopped all of the attempts, one of the fights that had the least variance imo, I cant imagine Rousey having to grasp for a straw harder than that
On December 19 2016 08:12 Baalim wrote:
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
Isnt there a lot of variance in this? That Rousey fight she lost was all about literally one kick that landed. Rest of the fight she was just still put off balance by that one hit.
There was not a lot of fight left after the kick landed :D
Also do anyone see Ronda winning by anything else then submission? Ronda by sub is att +142 atm, that seems good to me
On December 19 2016 08:12 Baalim wrote:
The fact that Holm dismantled Rousey is making people forget that the female division is crap and Rousey would trample anyone who isnt Holly or Cyborg, nothing has changed, Amanda is no exception.
Ronda will find the clinch and submit her, I dont think this fight goes past the 2nd round.
Isnt there a lot of variance in this? That Rousey fight she lost was all about literally one kick that landed. Rest of the fight she was just still put off balance by that one hit.
I dont understand what you are saying at all
He's saying there is a lot of variance in a fight, and that Holm won because of a lucky kick that changed the tide of the fight.
But i disagree, i think Holm dominated that fight hard.
Oh then I understood but I thought it was so stupid there was no way that was what he meant lol.
I cant think of many fights that are a more clear demonstration of planned domination, Holm made her look like an amateur, Ronda was all busted up, the kick wasnt remotely lucky ffs, Holm literally turned her into it when Ronda had no idea where she was.
He wins the award for the dumbest post I've rad in LP.net about MMA... congrats!
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 27 2016 01:28. Posts 13041
Rekrul is a newb
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soberstone United States. Dec 28 2016 02:41. Posts 2662
Rousey is in much better shape than last fight and at first I thought the no media thing was a negative, but after seeing that short little clip in Episode 2, it actually seems like its paying off mentally. No way to know for sure but that's the read I got, she seems calm and like she put in an ultra serious camp on the low.
Yes Ronda looks in super shape and focused. Also odds now are really close and I think value is on Rousey, especially after watching some of the previous Nunes fights. I don't really think Amanda is capable to have the discipline, movement and cardio to fight the perfect fight against Ronda. She also seems really aggressive with he strikes, often throwing herself out of position and off balance. Not to say she can't win, but if she can't catch Rousey early with some of her right hands and KO her, she is getting clinched and smashed, imo.
ok watched the vlog series. the more i see amanda nunes the more i want ronda to win. that dike cant become the face of the ufc, shes just too damn ugly even for a guy.
So you watch all that and it makes you root FOR ronda and AGAINST nunes? Its the other way around for me...
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 28 2016 20:42. Posts 13041
On December 28 2016 14:02 lucky331 wrote:
ok watched the vlog series. the more i see amanda nunes the more i want ronda to win. that dike cant become the face of the ufc, shes just too damn ugly even for a guy.
This is one of those rude comments you're supposed to keep to yourself.
We all post dumb comments from time to time on LP, but this is beyond dumb.
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 28 2016 23:53. Posts 13041
UFC 207 will be Mike Goldberg's final show with the UFC (aka getting released, aka getting fired).
Sometime within the past 2 months, Dana White mentioned that he has a commentary "dream team" that he has been working on for awhile, and he's hoping to make it happen. He also replied to the comment that Joe Rogan would lose his job and said that Rogan wouldn't be leaving the UFC unless Rogan himself wanted to leave... ...in the original way he replied to the question, it made it seem like Mike Goldberg was expendable.
What's more, someone on Reddit posted a rough translation of an interview that Dave Meltzer did recently that hints at Ronda Rousey possibly being behind Goldberg getting fired:
"Not the newest one but the one before it in the WO Radio. They were on an MMA segment and talking about Rousey's no-media clause. The other dude with Meltzer said something like: 'This calls into question what else she can earn control over,' and Meltzer said something about how Rousey felt she was being disrespected and insulted by Goldberg in the commentary during one of her fights, and Meltzer said 'Rousey claimed that Goldberg defamed her and lowered her reputation/value.' Then Meltzer said: 'and of course he's now, you know, uhh 'leaving' soon.'"
Cut to December 28, 2016, just 3 days before Ronda Rousey's return at UFC 207, and we find out that Goldberg is leaving the UFC for good.
Until Goldberg's replacement is found, the UFC will just use one of their other guys to fill-in, like Anik, Florian, or Stann.
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This video points out that Cruz was training for Garbrandt's main weapon (or one of them) in the recent UFC Embedded video, so Cruz might look to grapple.
Have you guys seen the hendricks interview... my god he looks like a walking dead
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soberstone United States. Dec 29 2016 03:50. Posts 2662
Man, surprised the Cruz line is still at 2:1ish.
I'm surprised Kalikas opened it so close and I'm more surprised that it's stayed so close.
There is real hype on Garbrandt... guess a couple nice KO's on Fox is enough get that square money flowing vs the Bantamweight GOAT
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 29 2016 04:26. Posts 13041
Rekrul is a newb
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TianYuan Korea (South). Dec 29 2016 06:31. Posts 6817
On December 28 2016 14:02 lucky331 wrote:
ok watched the vlog series. the more i see amanda nunes the more i want ronda to win. that dike cant become the face of the ufc, shes just too damn ugly even for a guy.
Wtf is wrong with you -_-
I know LP doesn't have very stringent moderation, but this kind of comment is way out of line and there shouldn't have to be strict rules to stop you from posting it.
(I am sure others have said worse things, I mostly read the MMA threads and HHs so can't comment on that)
On December 28 2016 14:02 lucky331 wrote:
ok watched the vlog series. the more i see amanda nunes the more i want ronda to win. that dike cant become the face of the ufc, shes just too damn ugly even for a guy.
This is one of those rude comments you're supposed to keep to yourself.
We all post dumb comments from time to time on LP, but this is beyond dumb.
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
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soberstone United States. Dec 29 2016 19:48. Posts 2662
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 29 2016 22:03. Posts 13041
Amanda Nunes (135) vs. Ronda Rousey (135) – for women’s bantamweight title
Dominick Cruz (135) vs. Cody Garbrandt (135) – for bantamweight title
T.J. Dillashaw (136) vs. John Lineker (135.25)
Dong Hyun Kim (171) vs. Tarec Saffiedine (171)
Ray Borg* (129.5) vs. Louis Smolka (125.5)
Johny Hendricks** (173.5) vs. Neil Magny (171)
Antonio Carlos Junior (186) vs. Marvin Vettori (186)
Alex Garcia (170.5) vs. Mike Pyle (170)
Niko Price (170) vs. Brandon Thatch (170)
Tim Means (170) vs. Alex Oliveira (170.5)
* Louis Smolka will receive 30% of Borg’s purse.
** Neil Magny will receive 20% of Hendricks’ purse.
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
lol gone a bit overboard?
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 30 2016 01:11. Posts 13041
Johnny ,can they talk about retirement when you miss weight 3 times in 2 years and underperform? Also, you were the one mentioning it in the first place...
Hes making bad decisions somewhere and its his fault. Like opening a restaurant... cmon dude.
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PoorUser United States. Dec 30 2016 06:56. Posts 7471
does anyone else keep thinking its ferris buellers voice until cruz is shown on camera. even when he takes an aside to talk straight into the camera ferris style its maybe worse
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 30 2016 07:10. Posts 13041
On December 30 2016 05:56 PoorUser wrote:
does anyone else keep thinking its Ferris Bueller's voice until Cruz is shown on camera. even when he takes an aside to talk straight into the camera Ferris style its maybe worse.
~~~DON'T FORGET~~~
UFC 207 is on Friday, not Saturday.
Rekrul is a newb
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soberstone United States. Dec 30 2016 07:19. Posts 2662
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
On December 30 2016 05:56 PoorUser wrote:
does anyone else keep thinking its ferris buellers voice until cruz is shown on camera. even when he takes an aside to talk straight into the camera ferris style its maybe worse
dont forget the air quotes in that other video. despite his dorkiness i dont think no daddy garbart could KO him.
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
LOL, you have money on Hendricks soberstone? I think Hendricks is done, USADA has than a number on him and also the punishment he took in his fights with Robbie Lawler for sure has taken its toll. The guy looks punch drunk and delirious, actually it is really sad to watch.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 30 2016 10:49. Posts 13041
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
LOL, you have money on Hendricks soberstone? I think Hendricks is done, USADA has than a number on him and also the punishment he took in his fights with Robbie Lawler for sure has taken its toll. The guy looks punch drunk and delirious, actually it is really sad to watch.
To be fair, Hendricks was cutting weight and was extremely dehydrated in those recent interviews.
He normally sounds dumb, but a lack of fluid to his brain made him seem more weird than normal.
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 30 2016 20:25. Posts 13041
Louis Smolka: "Hendricks lies to his nutritionist, he is eating the fries"
Rekrul is a newb
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soberstone United States. Dec 30 2016 21:43. Posts 2662
tim means ?@MeansTim 46m46 minutes ago
I am the underdog today. Watch this!! #ufc207
I agree with the Dirty Bird.
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soberstone United States. Dec 30 2016 21:59. Posts 2662
On December 29 2016 18:36 ERASA wrote:
So a guy from hendricks team tells ariel hours before the weigh ins that hendricks has a pound to lose and then he weighs in at 173.5 ...
Guy is the biggest joke in the UFC. It's unreal what little self-respect, dignity, and personal responsibility he has. Pathetic person, seriously.
LOL, you have money on Hendricks soberstone? I think Hendricks is done, USADA has than a number on him and also the punishment he took in his fights with Robbie Lawler for sure has taken its toll. The guy looks punch drunk and delirious, actually it is really sad to watch.
I have him in 2 hail mary parlays for like 8 bucks total....
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Pending 12/30/16 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1502 Johny Hendricks +170* vs Neil Magny
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Pending 12/30/16 7:00pm UFC Fighting 1802 Brandon Thatch -200* vs Niko Price
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Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1111 Cruz wins by 5 round decision -140* vs Not Cruz by 5 round decision
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Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1102 Dominick Cruz -230* vs Cody Garbrandt
Pending 12/30/16 11:00pm UFC Fighting 1202 T.J. Dillashaw -230* vs John Lineker
Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1015 Nunes wins in round 1 +250* vs Any other result
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Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1102 Dominick Cruz -210* vs Cody Garbrandt
Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1401 Ray Borg -120* vs Louis Smolka
Pending 12/30/16 7:30pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means -115* vs Alex Oliveira
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Pending 12/30/16 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1301 Dong Hyun Kim -145* vs Tarec Saffiedine
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Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1102 Dominick Cruz -220* vs Cody Garbrandt
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Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1501 Neil Magny/Johny Hendricks Over 2½ -180*
Pending 12/30/16 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1401 Ray Borg +110* vs Louis Smolka
Pending 12/30/16 8:01pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means -110* vs Alex Oliveira
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Cancelled 12/30/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1209 Velasquez wins inside distance +165* vs Not Velasquez inside distance
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Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1102 Dominick Cruz -210* vs Cody Garbrandt
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Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1401 Ray Borg/Louis Smolka Over 2½ -140*
Pending 12/30/16 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1502 Johny Hendricks +100* vs Neil Magny
Pending 12/30/16 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1301 Dong Hyun Kim -140* vs Tarec Saffiedine
Pending 12/30/16 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1602 Antonio Carlos Junior -135* vs Marvin Vettori
Pending 12/30/16 7:30pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means -115* vs Alex Oliveira
Pending 12/30/16 7:00pm UFC Fighting 1802 Brandon Thatch -200* vs Niko Price
Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1054 Fight won’t start round 4 -525* vs Nunes / Rousey starts round 4
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Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1001 Amanda Nunes/Ronda Rousey Under 1½ -220*
Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1102 Dominick Cruz -220* vs Cody Garbrandt
Pending 12/30/16 11:00pm UFC Fighting 1202 T.J. Dillashaw -200* vs John Lineker
Pending 12/30/16 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1301 Dong Hyun Kim -145* vs Tarec Saffiedine
Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1401 Ray Borg -125* vs Louis Smolka
Pending 12/30/16 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1502 Johny Hendricks +158* vs Neil Magny
Pending 12/30/16 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1602 Antonio Carlos Junior -125* vs Marvin Vettori
Pending 12/30/16 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1701 Mike Pyle +158* vs Alex Garcia
Pending 12/30/16 8:00pm UFC Fighting 1802 Brandon Thatch -155* vs Niko Price
Pending 12/30/16 7:30pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means +125* vs Alex Oliveira
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Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1101 Cody Garbrandt/Dominick Cruz Over 2½ -225*
Pending 12/30/16 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 John Lineker/T.J. Dillashaw Over 2½ -185*
Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1401 Ray Borg -120* vs Louis Smolka
Pending 12/30/16 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1502 Johny Hendricks +100* vs Neil Magny
Pending 12/30/16 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1301 Dong Hyun Kim -135* vs Tarec Saffiedine
Pending 12/30/16 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1602 Antonio Carlos Junior -145* vs Marvin Vettori
Pending 12/30/16 8:00pm UFC Fighting 1701 Mike Pyle +140* vs Alex Garcia
Pending 12/30/16 7:30pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means -115* vs Alex Oliveira
Pending 12/30/16 7:00pm UFC Fighting 1802 Brandon Thatch -200* vs Niko Price
Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1054 Fight won’t start round 4 -525* vs Nunes / Rousey starts round 4
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Pending 12/30/16 11:00pm UFC Fighting 1202 T.J. Dillashaw -200* vs John Lineker
Pending 12/30/16 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1301 Dong Hyun Kim -145* vs Tarec Saffiedine
Pending 12/30/16 7:30pm UFC Fighting 1902 Tim Means +125* vs Alex Oliveira
Pending 12/30/16 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1056 Fight won’t start round 3 -374* vs Nunes / Rousey starts round 3
Pending 12/30/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1147 Cruz wins by 5 rd unanimous decision +170* vs Any other result
Pending 12/30/16 10:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1407 Borg wins by 3 round decision +242* vs Not Borg by 3 round decision
Pending 12/30/16 9:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1540 Hendricks (scorecards = no action) +181* vs Magny (scorecards = no action)
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Dec 30 2016 23:50. Posts 211
If Ronda gets ko like tate it will be sad to watch. I am excited to watch it, hopefully Ronda understands she cant strike. I am curious to see her strategy.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 31 2016 00:44. Posts 13041
One person can find the same fighter overrated while another finds him underrated. If many feel Thatch is overrated all the more reason for me to say he is underrated. Which I am. He rocks.
You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 01:52. Posts 2662
This is so embarrassing. They make it a no contest, Mirgliotta and Marc Ratner are explaining the rule differently. W/E, robbed again by weird dumb shit.
Means beat his ass.
EDIT: Well I guess it should have been a DQ so I guess in a way I got lucky
PuertoRican United States. Dec 31 2016 01:56. Posts 13041
Sigh...
In 2 fucking days, Oliveira won't be able to get away with being a fucking pussy. Milking that fucking knee like he has milked other shits. That faggot is a dirty fighter and is only getting away with this shit because the new MMA rules don't come into play until January 1st.
Even so, that knee wasn't illegal, that director guy who has the power was so dead-set on it being illegal that he didn't want to pay attention to it being LEGAL.
Many have asked and continue to clarify: What is the definition of a grounded fighter?
By definition and explanation, a grounded fighter is when anything but the soles of a fighter’s feet are touching the floor of the fighting area. To clarify further, if a fighter has a foot in the air and one of their hands on the floor, they are still considered grounded.
Do not confuse or compare this current definition with the old one (three points of contact).
soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 02:18. Posts 2662
I bet him too, small but still. Guy has a lot of talent but is functionally retarded at grappling, it's been his hole for so long, and I'm sure he's tried to address it, he just cant.
There is only two ways, get better on the ground or get better at keeping it standing...
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 31 2016 02:26. Posts 13041
On December 31 2016 00:59 ERASA wrote:
Many have asked and continue to clarify: What is the definition of a grounded fighter?
By definition and explanation, a grounded fighter is when anything but the soles of a fighter’s feet are touching the floor of the fighting area. To clarify further, if a fighter has a foot in the air and one of their hands on the floor, they are still considered grounded.
Do not confuse or compare this current definition with the old one (three points of contact).
2 more days, then the rules will be changed and you will need 4 points of contact on the ground.
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 31 2016 02:28. Posts 13041
On December 31 2016 01:18 soberstone wrote:
I bet him too, small but still. Guy has a lot of talent but is functionally retarded at grappling, it's been his hole for so long, and I'm sure he's tried to address it, he just cant.
In his post-fight speech, Niko mentioned that he heard Thatch wheezing and had a hard time breathing, so he went for the choke.
Thatch has asthma and uses an inhaler, which sucks cuz he's the biggest guy at welterweight and has no ground game and will feel like he's being drowned when someone gets on top of him. He is already known to slow down considerably after Round 1 of his fights.
I think I probably had Magny as well but will gladly admit I could be wrong and didn't watch super closely. However those triangles in both 1/3 should count really heavily.
You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 04:01. Posts 2662
I guess I'm wrong, a lot of ppl scored it for magny.
2 triangle attempts at the end of rounds with some semi-nasty elbows after just getting tossed around and lay and gayed for the entire fight.... based on the way MMA is usually judged I don't rly get it. Did I miss anything?
the thing with hendricks is, he takes people down does almost nothing and expects to win, guess if thats his gameplan he should stick to wrestling...
Btw where is hendricks' power...? He used to knock people out all the time...
When they said 29-28, I knew Hendrick could not get the win. It was either 30-27 Hendricks, or 29-28 Magny.
R1 is for Magny as he was 3X more active off his back and previous to that was winning the striking game.
R2 is Hendricks
R3 is kind of close, Magny defending a takedown, standing up again. Jabing and circling. and again, being more active off his back.
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PuertoRican United States. Dec 31 2016 04:03. Posts 13041
Even though I wanted Neil Magny to win, I thought he lost that fight.
With the new rules, people like Hendricks won't go far because LnP won't be scored as highly.
iakim322 United States. Dec 31 2016 04:06. Posts 1335
Hendricks did absolutely nothing with his one takedown in Rd 1. Thought it should ideally have been scored 10-10 but since judges don't do that, glad they gave it to magny
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 04:07. Posts 2662
On December 31 2016 03:03 ERASA wrote:
the thing with hendricks is, he takes people down does almost nothing and expects to win, guess if thats his gameplan he should stick to wrestling...
Btw where is hendricks' power...? He used to knock people out all the time...
I agree, I think his style of fighting is terrible to watch and lame. Thing is, Magny didn't do anything for 90 percent of the fight accept try to get up and fail.
I honestly think people are just scoring it the way they want to because of Johnnys personality / awful boring style instead of the way it should be objectively based on how 99 percent of MMA has been scored since it's inception. But I admit I myself am biased.
On December 31 2016 02:58 ERASA wrote:
1 and 3 Magny.. i might be biased though...
All 3 judges scored it the way you did. But I think that's insane.
Round 2 goes to Hendricks, everyone agrees on this.
Round 3 i actually think i agree with judges. Even tho Hendricks was in control most of the round, he did jack shit.
SS were 30 vs 6 in favor of Magny.
Magny also came pretty close to stopping the fight, and he did a good sub attempt.
Round 1 should be the deciding round. I'm surprised all 3 judges gave it to magny. You could argue Magny did more damage and was more dangerous, but if we go by current judging rules, i believe it should go to hendricks.
No... he was actually pretty active with strikes from his back and had two triangles... i would argue he did more from bottom than hendricks from the top...
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 04:12. Posts 2662
Yah Floofy basically your last sentence is my point. Since when is lying on a guy for 3 rounds not a gay win. Quite a huge shift in judging philosophy from the norm.
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 04:12. Posts 2662
On December 31 2016 03:12 soberstone wrote:
Yah Floofy basically your last sentence is my point. Since when is lying on a guy for 3 rounds not a gay win. Quite a huge shift in judging philosophy from the norm.
I had it 29-28 for Stungun too although I could see it the other way around. Whatever referee scored it 30-27 Saffiedine didn't have his glasses on in the third round.
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 05:11. Posts 2662
YAY Finally! A decision! I agree btw 2-1 KIm rounds 2 + 3
On December 31 2016 04:06 Montrachet wrote:
Well, how do you score that kind of fight?
I gave Kim the last 2 rounds, very close fight, Tarec surprised me with his wrestling but I think he was way too timid with his striking he needed to bite down the mouthpiece and stop Kim from walking him... especially when Kim predictably shows his forehead every time he sees a punch coming, he is just begging to eat a hard uppercut.
he doesnt even try to cherry pick easy people. he just called out TJ. I love Cody
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 06:37. Posts 2662
Cody and TJ for sure sparred countless times, and the fact that Cody was so confident and knew he was going to win this fight makes me think he must have gotten the better of TJ in the gym
its been a while since i have been so happy about an outcome...
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Dec 31 2016 06:58. Posts 211
Like I said, the last freaking thing I wanted to see from Ronda. It looked like she learned nothing from the Holm fight, or she just isn't good or something idk wtf
obviously now after the fight its easy to say, but i found it very strange to hear how good ronda looked at weighins etc.
i mean its not like that was her problem against holly... i wonder if we ever hear from her again (mma wise)
On December 31 2016 05:58 Big_Rob_isback wrote:
Like I said, the last freaking thing I wanted to see from Ronda. It looked like she learned nothing from the Holm fight, or she just isn't good or something idk wtf
She has terrible coaching, everybody said that after the holly fight including her mother yet she stayed with this clown...
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soberstone United States. Dec 31 2016 07:01. Posts 2662
On December 31 2016 05:58 ERASA wrote:
obviously now after the fight its easy to say, but i found it very strange to hear how good ronda looked at weighins etc.
i mean its not like that was her problem against holly... i wonder if we ever hear from her again (mma wise)
she looked in phenominal shape and it was relevant in that it showed she trained her ass off
the bet to make without hindsight was the under, there was no way that fight could have gone far in any scenario. still, nunez at +275 rd 1 was a must as well but I wouldnt mind hedging rousey sub or something
On December 31 2016 05:58 ERASA wrote:
obviously now after the fight its easy to say, but i found it very strange to hear how good ronda looked at weighins etc.
i mean its not like that was her problem against holly... i wonder if we ever hear from her again (mma wise)
she looked in phenominal shape and it was relevant in that it showed she trained her ass off
the bet to make without hindsight was the under, there was no way that fight could have gone far in any scenario. still, nunez at +275 rd 1 was a must as well but I wouldnt mind hedging rousey sub or something
Here's a breakdown ive seen before the fight that advised the under....
The fighting styles of both Amanda Nunes and Ronda Rousey make for a fight that simply cannot last more than 7.5 minutes. This is because if the fight stays standing, Ronda cannot take Amanda’s power and if it goes to the ground, Amanda cannot hang with a dangerous submission grappler of Ronda’s level. I don’t have a strong opinion on who I believe we will this fight, but I do feel very confident that it will end in the 1st round.
Reasons for placing this bet...
14 out of Ronda Rousey’s 15 career fights have ended in less than 1.5 rounds.
Ronda Rousey has only ever fought past 7.5 minutes one time in her entire career.
Amanda Nunes has 7 1st round finishes in her last 11 fights.
Ronda Rousey has very poor striking defence and Amanda Nunes has the power and technique to hurt her if the fight stays standing.
Ronda Rousey is a super high level submission grappler. Nunes does not have the skills to defend herself from being submitted if the fight goes to the ground.
Rousey and Nunes are both super aggressive fighters who both possess the skills to end this fight in the very first exchange.
I think Rousey vs Nunes is still a 50-50 Matchup when Rhonda wasnt 1 year out of the Octagon.
Rousey got cought early and therefore fell apart in will-strength
At 4.48 at the clock she ate a crisp right + left combo followed by a left japp and powerfull overhand right
I respect Nunes for that absolutely beautiful executed combo (Right / left 2 powerstrikes into left jap +Full power overhand right) So much fluent rythm and diversity in Power/Speed/Hand Alternating in that combo.
As a former fighter that made me smile big time.
Fight was over by then
Rousey broke down mentally and realized she doesnt want to be in there anymore.
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
Also Ronda eats shots marching forward to get the clinch, first fight that she encounters a solid striker she falls apart, 2nd fight she encounters a solid striker who actually hits like a dude then shes in queer street asap. She does well against cupcakes and taebo strikers, if she cant get the clinch she loses her shit. She has an unbelievable armbar but she's been fighting girly fighters who know little striking or butch lesbos with zero ground game.
On December 31 2016 09:17 PplusAD wrote:
Well if i may make a bold statement.
I think Rousey vs Nunes is still a 50-50 Matchup when Rhonda wasnt 1 year out of the Octagon.
Rousey got cought early and therefore fell apart in will-strength
At 4.48 at the clock she ate a crisp right + left combo followed by a left japp and powerfull overhand right
I respect Nunes for that absolutely beautiful executed combo (Right / left 2 powerstrikes into left jap +Full power overhand right) So much fluent rythm and diversity in Power/Speed/Hand Alternating in that combo.
As a former fighter that made me smile big time.
Fight was over by then
Rousey broke down mentally and realized she doesnt want to be in there anymore.
if you think it was 50/50 then nunes is a good value bet.
On December 31 2016 09:56 whamm! wrote:
Also Ronda eats shots marching forward to get the clinch, first fight that she encounters a solid striker she falls apart, 2nd fight she encounters a solid striker who actually hits like a dude then shes in queer street asap. She does well against cupcakes and taebo strikers, if she cant get the clinch she loses her shit. She has an unbelievable armbar but she's been fighting girly fighters who know little striking or butch lesbos with zero ground game.
not taking anything from ronda, she's a phenomenal athlete but she did not show any skill at all in her last 2 fights. time to drop her camp for a new one.
If Garbrandt tries that mocking with Dillashaw, he s prob gonna have a baaaad time.
Super nice fight though
Ronda s probably gonna retire now. She s a one trick pony that does not learn it seems. Her stand up stance is so freaking bad btw, her left hand covers nothing, I get it if she were a good boxer, but she s not so what the fuck is she doing ?:D
edit:
After watching the press conference, Cruz is one of biggest badasses ever
Nunes laughs hard " I know she s gonna try to strike with me, cause her boxing coach told her she has a good stand up " :D
Rousey is done. Her standup is comical. Her whole world shattered when she lost the first time, she's in a dark place mentally and has now been punched into an even deeper hole. Hard to sell her fights now aswell.
Garbrandt looked good. Cruz was affected by the trashtalking and taunting. Fun fight.
I agree TJ will give cody more trouble than cruz had. Id probably bet on TJ if they fought tbh
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Dec 31 2016 16:35. Posts 1585
On December 31 2016 11:34 Spitfiree wrote:
If Garbrandt tries that mocking with Dillashaw, he s prob gonna have a baaaad time.
Super nice fight though
Ronda s probably gonna retire now. She s a one trick pony that does not learn it seems. Her stand up stance is so freaking bad btw, her left hand covers nothing, I get it if she were a good boxer, but she s not so what the fuck is she doing ?:D
edit:
After watching the press conference, Cruz is one of biggest badasses ever
Nunes laughs hard " I know she s gonna try to strike with me, cause her boxing coach told her she has a good stand up " :D
The press conferences are definitely worth watching. Cruz, Nunes, Garbrandt are all great and inspirational stories.
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soberstone United States. Jan 02 2017 00:15. Posts 2662
This was my post from before the Rousey vs Holm fight. I've always, and I mean always, had my doubts about Rousey, well before she ever lost. So this is just a straight up brag post, decided to go back and search the old thread. Only thing I was wrong about was how quickly Rousey would get destroyed if she didn't get her way, I didn't know she would be as bad as she is, but certainly knew the hype was insane. This was when Rousey was like -1100, didn't even make the much money though cuz I was a pussy and didn't make the huge bet I should have on a +700 dog.
Sad because I doubt there is ever another hype train as fake and exploitable in MMA ever again :/
[QUOTE]On November 09 2015 04:41 soberstone wrote:
Thanks for thread
Really excited for this card, I think its ripe for betting, especially some of the props on the chick fights and some squash matches on the card.
I agree with every single pick so no need to post those, nice picks mate. A lot of money down this week.
For Rousey vs Holm, 2 obvious scenarios exist at a much higher probability than the rest.
A) Most likely scenario - The fight will be a back and forth battle for a little where Rousey eats some shots to give some harder shots, powers into the clinch with Holm stuck against the fence, blisters her with knees to the body and over-hand rights, tosses or trips Holm, and subs Holm with an armbar variation. I do not think this will happen in the first minute, I think it will actually take Ronda some time, maybe multiple rounds.
B) In a lower probability scenario, but much higher than the odds indicate, we get to find out that Ronda Rousey completely sucks if she can't get you in the clinch (completely possible), and ends up getting picked apart for the majority of the fight or even gets finished late if she gasses (completely possible) via left high kick and the entire RR hype train is derailed. I would personally love to see this happen.
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soberstone United States. Jan 02 2017 00:30. Posts 2662
On December 31 2016 09:56 whamm! wrote:
Also Ronda eats shots marching forward to get the clinch, first fight that she encounters a solid striker she falls apart, 2nd fight she encounters a solid striker who actually hits like a dude then shes in queer street asap. She does well against cupcakes and taebo strikers, if she cant get the clinch she loses her shit. She has an unbelievable armbar but she's been fighting girly fighters who know little striking or butch lesbos with zero ground game.
not taking anything from ronda, she's a phenomenal athlete but she did not show any skill at all in her last 2 fights. time to drop her camp for a new one.
If she really wanted to still fight and decided to switch camps to say Jacksons and fight some realllly bad 35'ers while she learned how to strike and wrestle, which will take 3+ years of hard training with a real coach, then sure. But I doubt she has it in her, she's done most likely.
Sad thing is she's a terrible actress and the aura of badassery is gone, so I actually doubt the movie star option is even on the table anymore. Her story could get really ugly and depressing if she doesn't have some really good people around her who know how to help put things in perspective.
Maybe WWE is her best option for consistent $?
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 02 2017 01:26. Posts 13041
On January 01 2017 23:30 soberstone wrote:
Her story could get really ugly and depressing if she doesn't have some really good people around her who know how to help put things in perspective.
On January 02 2017 00:26 PuertoRican wrote:
Amanda Nunes: $200,000 (includes $100,000 win bonus) def. Ronda Rousey: $3 million
I don't think Rousey s gonna have problems w cash any time soon :D she s probably banked at least 15-20milly off the UFC alone lifetime and she s been in hollywood and commercials for a while too
I don't think problems with Rousey are going to be cash related. It is going to be coming back to reality and swallowing the bitter pill that she is not what she thought she was.
Obviously big part of the problem was the media and ufc hype machine that just completely blown her up out of proportion and she really started to believe her own hype. I mean just one year ago Joe Rogan was drooling how she was once in lifetime human being or something and boosting about how she will beat most male ufc bantamweights. She was talking about how she can beat Cain Velasquez on a good day and becoming a boxing champion, even appearing on the cover of Ring Magazine... Compare that to now that 2 fights later she was completely smashed and exposed as a fraud.
Obv if you look things in perspective she is still extremely successful individual, the thing is if she can look at things from this angle.
The hype in hindsight was so fucked up crazy. She was always the Royce Gracie of female MMA instead of a once in a lifetime athlete. Royce can be credit with tons of amazing things, but the best fighter ever he is not. Ronda has done so much for female MMA that we can only be grateful for. I still think she can be a contender and she is only 29. I would be super hyped for a comeback one year from now if she spent the year at Jackson Wink and started at the bottom of the ladder working her way up. Remember at one point there was talk about her possibly getting into a boxing career. It's nuts. Edmund is the worst piece of shit.
I always connect it with finances in the end as she probably wont stay in an emotional downfall for too long. It's not her first loss, she has already been where she s at. If anything it should be a reality check. Too bad she got caught up in all the praise and embraced it without improving her game. That's what makes the difference between dominant champs and people that will be known long after they're gone like McGregor for example. Hype around him is bigger and he s looking better with each new fight. You have to be aware however of the two worlds, the UFC obviously would push the marketing to the highest level possible which personally influences fighters, the actual game however is something quite different. Other fighters are improving with each minute while she s doing interviews and filming movies.
Her downfall is also overexaggerated by the media as was the praise. They are still trying to gain maximum value while she s relevant. Thats how this world works, thats why people like MM get 100-200k per fight and she gets 3mil
Nunes needs to fight cyborg and get smashed. I think only a manlier chick can beat her, I don't see anybody in the roster except Cyborg. She's not an amazing fighter, but she's long aggressive and has a real snap to her strikes, who the hell can match up vs that?
Ronda was never mcgregor but they were packaged almost the same way. Mcgregor outclasses a decent array of opponents while ronda was the big fish in a retarded pond. There's at least some truth to Conor's build up while ronda proved to be a one trick pony who wanted to prove she wasn't by boxing against taebo chicks and believing she was at a boxer's level
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soberstone United States. Jan 03 2017 03:21. Posts 2662
On January 02 2017 21:57 whamm! wrote:
Nunes needs to fight cyborg and get smashed. I think only a manlier chick can beat her, I don't see anybody in the roster except Cyborg. She's not an amazing fighter, but she's long aggressive and has a real snap to her strikes, who the hell can match up vs that?
Ronda was never mcgregor but they were packaged almost the same way. Mcgregor outclasses a decent array of opponents while ronda was the big fish in a retarded pond. There's at least some truth to Conor's build up while ronda proved to be a one trick pony who wanted to prove she wasn't by boxing against taebo chicks and believing she was at a boxer's level
Nunes would likely tap Cyborg a lot of the time. Cyborg has a pretty awful ground game, and Nunez is a good enough striker/wrestler and is athletic to hold her own long enough to get it to the floor. She's def a much better submission grappler once its on the floor.
She may not win because Cyborg is such a manly beast, but Nunes is certainly a better all-around fighter. She's #3 P4P behind JJ and Gadhella, who are clearly worlds above anyone at 35 or 45 technique wise.
For me, womens top 5 P4P:
#1. JJ
#2 CG
#3 Nunes
#4 Schevchenko
#5 Cyborg
On a women's side note, I think the hype behind Juliana Pena is hilarious. She is not good and will get embarrassed by Schevchenko. How did people watch her almost lose to Jessica Eye and STILL think she's good? I'm baffled. Then Zingano shows up, barely loses to her in a shit fight, and the hype only grows. Maybe Schevchenko's TDD is terrible and I don't know it, but I don't think so. I'm expecting juicy odds, near pick-em, on that fight.
On January 04 2017 21:45 Nazgul wrote:
It's just sad. It's also sad people enjoy her fall this much.
She was kind of a dick to everyone except people who praised her or wasn't her opponent. I don't hate her but the blowback from haters should come as no surprise especially after going after "media" for doing their job which is to get "scoops"
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 06 2017 15:33. Posts 6817
On January 02 2017 21:57 whamm! wrote:
Nunes needs to fight cyborg and get smashed. I think only a manlier chick can beat her, I don't see anybody in the roster except Cyborg. She's not an amazing fighter, but she's long aggressive and has a real snap to her strikes, who the hell can match up vs that?
Ronda was never mcgregor but they were packaged almost the same way. Mcgregor outclasses a decent array of opponents while ronda was the big fish in a retarded pond. There's at least some truth to Conor's build up while ronda proved to be a one trick pony who wanted to prove she wasn't by boxing against taebo chicks and believing she was at a boxer's level
Nunes would likely tap Cyborg a lot of the time. Cyborg has a pretty awful ground game, and Nunez is a good enough striker/wrestler and is athletic to hold her own long enough to get it to the floor. She's def a much better submission grappler once its on the floor.
She may not win because Cyborg is such a manly beast, but Nunes is certainly a better all-around fighter. She's #3 P4P behind JJ and Gadhella, who are clearly worlds above anyone at 35 or 45 technique wise.
For me, womens top 5 P4P:
#1. JJ
#2 CG
#3 Nunes
#4 Schevchenko
#5 Cyborg
On a women's side note, I think the hype behind Juliana Pena is hilarious. She is not good and will get embarrassed by Schevchenko. How did people watch her almost lose to Jessica Eye and STILL think she's good? I'm baffled. Then Zingano shows up, barely loses to her in a shit fight, and the hype only grows. Maybe Schevchenko's TDD is terrible and I don't know it, but I don't think so. I'm expecting juicy odds, near pick-em, on that fight.
I like Schevchenko a lot, but have you watched any of her kickboxing fights? She's like the biggest clinch machine in the world.
Like, completely unable NOT to clinch even if it's against the rules (watched one of her fights in China and it was literally 3 rounds of non-stop "PLEASE STOP DUMPING YOUR OPPONENT" warnings from the ref). Probably not gonna be a problem against Pena but I could see her getting into trouble against pure grapplers funnily enough...
Either way, definitely hope she wins, not a big fan of her opponent...
On January 02 2017 16:36 Nazgul wrote:
The hype in hindsight was so fucked up crazy. She was always the Royce Gracie of female MMA instead of a once in a lifetime athlete. Royce can be credit with tons of amazing things, but the best fighter ever he is not. Ronda has done so much for female MMA that we can only be grateful for. I still think she can be a contender and she is only 29. I would be super hyped for a comeback one year from now if she spent the year at Jackson Wink and started at the bottom of the ladder working her way up. Remember at one point there was talk about her possibly getting into a boxing career. It's nuts. Edmund is the worst piece of shit.
I've seen it thrown around a few places that her knees are in really poor condition, I wonder if there's any truth to that... It would explain why she basically never attempts anything resembling a leg-attack (though of course, IJF banning leg-attacks in Judo could be why as well).
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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ToT)MidiaN( United Kingdom. Jan 06 2017 16:40. Posts 5070
On January 04 2017 21:45 Nazgul wrote:
It's just sad. It's also sad people enjoy her fall this much.
I guess it's only natural given how arrogant and disrespectful she comes across. I for one have never enjoyed seeing anyone lose as much as I enjoyed seeing her lose and especially in the fashion she lost. I've felt a strong dislike towards a multitude of other fighters, but in the aftermath of almost any fight everybody I can think of bar Ronda Rousey is able to show respect and sportsmanship towards their opponent. Rousey is still a dick even after the fights
One day good. One day bad. And some days, even hope
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jan 06 2017 20:18. Posts 3093
On January 04 2017 10:35 whamm! wrote:
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is she really ending the interview by saying that height and reach advantage is actually a disadvantage in boxing because in judo you can use people's weight against them?
I don't have anything against her though, confidence is cool and I don't mind sore losers (a crappy winner is much worse than a crappy loser). could definitely be that I haven't seen enough of her to know that she's a terrible winner as well though.
lol POKER
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 06 2017 21:04. Posts 13041
On January 02 2017 21:57 whamm! wrote:
Nunes needs to fight cyborg and get smashed. I think only a manlier chick can beat her, I don't see anybody in the roster except Cyborg. She's not an amazing fighter, but she's long aggressive and has a real snap to her strikes, who the hell can match up vs that?
Ronda was never mcgregor but they were packaged almost the same way. Mcgregor outclasses a decent array of opponents while ronda was the big fish in a retarded pond. There's at least some truth to Conor's build up while ronda proved to be a one trick pony who wanted to prove she wasn't by boxing against taebo chicks and believing she was at a boxer's level
Nunes would likely tap Cyborg a lot of the time. Cyborg has a pretty awful ground game, and Nunez is a good enough striker/wrestler and is athletic to hold her own long enough to get it to the floor. She's def a much better submission grappler once its on the floor.
She may not win because Cyborg is such a manly beast, but Nunes is certainly a better all-around fighter. She's #3 P4P behind JJ and Gadhella, who are clearly worlds above anyone at 35 or 45 technique wise.
For me, womens top 5 P4P:
#1. JJ
#2 CG
#3 Nunes
#4 Schevchenko
#5 Cyborg
On a women's side note, I think the hype behind Juliana Pena is hilarious. She is not good and will get embarrassed by Schevchenko. How did people watch her almost lose to Jessica Eye and STILL think she's good? I'm baffled. Then Zingano shows up, barely loses to her in a shit fight, and the hype only grows. Maybe Schevchenko's TDD is terrible and I don't know it, but I don't think so. I'm expecting juicy odds, near pick-em, on that fight.
I like Schevchenko a lot, but have you watched any of her kickboxing fights? She's like the biggest clinch machine in the world.
Like, completely unable NOT to clinch even if it's against the rules (watched one of her fights in China and it was literally 3 rounds of non-stop "PLEASE STOP DUMPING YOUR OPPONENT" warnings from the ref). Probably not gonna be a problem against Pena but I could see her getting into trouble against pure grapplers funnily enough...
Either way, definitely hope she wins, not a big fan of her opponent...
On January 02 2017 16:36 Nazgul wrote:
The hype in hindsight was so fucked up crazy. She was always the Royce Gracie of female MMA instead of a once in a lifetime athlete. Royce can be credit with tons of amazing things, but the best fighter ever he is not. Ronda has done so much for female MMA that we can only be grateful for. I still think she can be a contender and she is only 29. I would be super hyped for a comeback one year from now if she spent the year at Jackson Wink and started at the bottom of the ladder working her way up. Remember at one point there was talk about her possibly getting into a boxing career. It's nuts. Edmund is the worst piece of shit.
I've seen it thrown around a few places that her knees are in really poor condition, I wonder if there's any truth to that... It would explain why she basically never attempts anything resembling a leg-attack (though of course, IJF banning leg-attacks in Judo could be why as well).
Fair observation about the clinching, but perhaps that's because she doesn't have to worry about td's in kickboxing fights, which admittedly I have not seen. Has she ever desperately tried to clinch in an MMA fight? Because if it's only against high level strikers, it's not relevant vs Pena.
The most amazing part is that he painted himself on the wall next to Muhammed Ali. I love it.
You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 08 2017 20:57. Posts 13041
On January 08 2017 17:13 Nazgul wrote:
The most amazing part is that he painted himself on the wall next to Muhammed Ali. I love it.
I have a similar painting on my wall in my room, except that it's me next to SlayerS_`BoxeR` with our fists in the air yelling HWAITING!!!
Rekrul is a newb
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 09 2017 11:15. Posts 6817
On January 08 2017 17:13 Nazgul wrote:
The most amazing part is that he painted himself on the wall next to Muhammed Ali. I love it.
Didn't he say that it's actually supposed to be Naseem Hamed, the boxer? I thought I read that somewhere but maybe it was an after-the-fact justification.
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 09 2017 11:17. Posts 6817
On January 02 2017 21:57 whamm! wrote:
Nunes needs to fight cyborg and get smashed. I think only a manlier chick can beat her, I don't see anybody in the roster except Cyborg. She's not an amazing fighter, but she's long aggressive and has a real snap to her strikes, who the hell can match up vs that?
Ronda was never mcgregor but they were packaged almost the same way. Mcgregor outclasses a decent array of opponents while ronda was the big fish in a retarded pond. There's at least some truth to Conor's build up while ronda proved to be a one trick pony who wanted to prove she wasn't by boxing against taebo chicks and believing she was at a boxer's level
Nunes would likely tap Cyborg a lot of the time. Cyborg has a pretty awful ground game, and Nunez is a good enough striker/wrestler and is athletic to hold her own long enough to get it to the floor. She's def a much better submission grappler once its on the floor.
She may not win because Cyborg is such a manly beast, but Nunes is certainly a better all-around fighter. She's #3 P4P behind JJ and Gadhella, who are clearly worlds above anyone at 35 or 45 technique wise.
For me, womens top 5 P4P:
#1. JJ
#2 CG
#3 Nunes
#4 Schevchenko
#5 Cyborg
On a women's side note, I think the hype behind Juliana Pena is hilarious. She is not good and will get embarrassed by Schevchenko. How did people watch her almost lose to Jessica Eye and STILL think she's good? I'm baffled. Then Zingano shows up, barely loses to her in a shit fight, and the hype only grows. Maybe Schevchenko's TDD is terrible and I don't know it, but I don't think so. I'm expecting juicy odds, near pick-em, on that fight.
I like Schevchenko a lot, but have you watched any of her kickboxing fights? She's like the biggest clinch machine in the world.
Like, completely unable NOT to clinch even if it's against the rules (watched one of her fights in China and it was literally 3 rounds of non-stop "PLEASE STOP DUMPING YOUR OPPONENT" warnings from the ref). Probably not gonna be a problem against Pena but I could see her getting into trouble against pure grapplers funnily enough...
Either way, definitely hope she wins, not a big fan of her opponent...
On January 02 2017 16:36 Nazgul wrote:
The hype in hindsight was so fucked up crazy. She was always the Royce Gracie of female MMA instead of a once in a lifetime athlete. Royce can be credit with tons of amazing things, but the best fighter ever he is not. Ronda has done so much for female MMA that we can only be grateful for. I still think she can be a contender and she is only 29. I would be super hyped for a comeback one year from now if she spent the year at Jackson Wink and started at the bottom of the ladder working her way up. Remember at one point there was talk about her possibly getting into a boxing career. It's nuts. Edmund is the worst piece of shit.
I've seen it thrown around a few places that her knees are in really poor condition, I wonder if there's any truth to that... It would explain why she basically never attempts anything resembling a leg-attack (though of course, IJF banning leg-attacks in Judo could be why as well).
Fair observation about the clinching, but perhaps that's because she doesn't have to worry about td's in kickboxing fights, which admittedly I have not seen. Has she ever desperately tried to clinch in an MMA fight? Because if it's only against high level strikers, it's not relevant vs Pena.
Her first UFC fight when she was like introduced as this highly decorated striker, the commentators and I guess everyone else were a bit surprised she was using so many throws and stuff and were like 'wow so well rounded' and what not - which is fair.
Anyway after that I watched a bunch of her fights and she really just... clinches and destroys people with dumps and throws. Not really worried about it vs anyone yet, but maybe vs like Rousey or something it could be a bad idea if she can't stop herself.
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