Liquid`Drone Norway. Jan 25 2017 23:00. Posts 3093
my experience is that people who aren't body builders or interested in being body builders should avoid listening to body builders. They have a strong tendency to assume that everybody actually wants to be body builders and then they give advice gearing you towards that direction, but at least you rikd don't strike me as that type of person at all. You seem way more like an activity/body weight exercise type of person.
On January 25 2017 21:03 Mortensen8 wrote:
Just count the calories. It gets easy if you eat more or less the same everyday. This is why fat people say they don't eat anything and skeletons claim to be eating so much. People are really bad at telling how much to eat. You can lose weight eating only sweets.
Go to cronometer.com. Remember that oils and stuff have more calories than you think.
Training and being on calorie restriction is a recipe for low. Weight loss is done in the kitchen. I have no idea how you got fat on veganism the opposite is usually the case people don't get enough calories.
I lost 30+ lbs in the first 6 months of 2016 on paleo, some intermittent fasting, and getting really into BJJ and looking to make 169 lb weight class with out water cut (155 lb. with water cut). I maintained at 12% body fat for a while but my cholesterol was crazy high in I think July 2016 and I looked to get that down naturally with a plant based diet. Everything good with that for a while but I stopped BJJ and really any activity in October. In let's say October and November I was going HAM on grapes and hummus and chips and w/e and gained about 5 lbs. December I went to Vegas and went HAM on everything, similar for Christmas, and then went to Charleston, SC and went on a sweet tea + comfort food iv and gained about 10 lbs. I like how I looked and how my clothes fit at 180 lbs. Now, that I am lifting I am getting a bit of the fitness model urge. I am still young and virile and want to get pumped up and fuck the gym bunnies. So, things like testosterone, abs, and muscle still interests me. IGF-1, growth hormone, and protein synthesis still interests me. Longevity, and telomeres, and health span also interests me. The first 2 and the last are conflicting goals. I know I should be on calorie restriction to lose fat but lifting weights is something to do and makes me feel good. Regardless, I am always like "waahhhh, I need to get some protein and calories to build this muscle back up" and then I am like "waaahhhh, I need to be on dietary restriction with intermittent fasting." A part of me thinks I can do it all. Get the newbie gains in the gym on a dietary restriction and fasting and lose the body fat. I got a scale to measure this stuff to see the whole picture.
On January 25 2017 22:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
my experience is that people who aren't body builders or interested in being body builders should avoid listening to body builders. They have a strong tendency to assume that everybody actually wants to be body builders and then they give advice gearing you towards that direction, but at least you rikd don't strike me as that type of person at all. You seem way more like an activity/body weight exercise type of person.
I would much prefer to get some activity in cross country skiing outdoors but that is not an option. You are a bit off in your reads as a part of me is that I am a washed up meathead. Getting in the gym and pumping the iron is rekindling good feelings as well as giving me good feelings for the rest of the day. I want to be outdoors doing anything but I do not really have that option right now. At the same time I am getting addicted to the pump and how relaxed, energized and unworried lifting leaves me. With my goals of losing body fat swimming would probably be the best option for me. Indoor tennis would be another good one. I am also taking brisk walks when the weather is not too bad.
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LikeASet United States. Jan 26 2017 06:14. Posts 2113
As far as I know, things such as; sugar content, high carb vs low carb, high fat vs low fat, fasting vs eating frequently, etc. have been proven to be irrelevant when net calories consumed are held constant. The main key people miss is to actually eat foods that promote higher feelings of satiety so that one could actually keep calories constant in practice, ie in real life not just theory. In theory 99% of people on earth can lose weight eating at a caloric deficit by eating only pop tarts but 95% of those people will gain the weight back because a diet of only pop tarts will most likely not keep you satiated throughout the day. Therefore focus on foods on eating foods that are high in volume and promote satiety such as high protein and fibrous foods. I would recommend guys who train regularly try to eat around 30% of their caloric intake in the form of protein, eat at least 35g fiber daily, and just eat the other 70% however you prefer between the carbs and fat.
If you are doing something like paleo, or intermittent fasting, and enjoying it then more power to you. Maybe those methods as well as others do work, I'm not an expert so I wouldn't say any method out there has 0% merit. When it comes to nutrition, compliance is more important than optimizing because you gotta be able to maintain whatever style you're doing for the rest of your life.
On January 26 2017 05:14 LikeASet wrote:
As far as I know, things such as; sugar content, high carb vs low carb, high fat vs low fat, fasting vs eating frequently, etc. have been proven to be irrelevant when net calories consumed are held constant. .
Irrelevant for what? Weight loss? It makes a difference, but how much is what's tricky to find out. A few reasons why it can make a difference: if you eat too much of the wrong foods you can upset hormone balance; if don't get the micronutrients you need your body won't have what it requires to make fat loss reactions as efficient as possible; with extreme macronutrient ratios, you can deplete or saturate your glycogen stores which is counter-productive when you want to activate lipolysis and sustain it without feeling like crap (like you said, consistency is key and extreme weight loss is a recipe for failure long term). Gut microbes also influence insulin resistance and how we deal with fat storage, so a fiber deficient diet without prebiotics and fermented foods can be a disadvantage. Different timing windows for eating also contribute an important difference, since insulin "turns off" an enzyme (HSL) which allows fat to be released from fat tissues. So the more infrequent the meals that trigger an insulin response, the better for fat loss. The people who follow a super low carb/ketogenic diet take that last one too far and want to be in this state 100% of the time, which is unhealthy in the long term and comes with a fair share of unpleasant side-effects.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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LikeASet United States. Jan 27 2017 00:16. Posts 2113
On January 26 2017 05:14 LikeASet wrote:
As far as I know, things such as; sugar content, high carb vs low carb, high fat vs low fat, fasting vs eating frequently, etc. have been proven to be irrelevant when net calories consumed are held constant. .
Irrelevant for what? Weight loss? It makes a difference, but how much is what's tricky to find out. A few reasons why it can make a difference: if you eat too much of the wrong foods you can upset hormone balance; if don't get the micronutrients you need your body won't have what it requires to make fat loss reactions as efficient as possible; with extreme macronutrient ratios, you can deplete or saturate your glycogen stores which is counter-productive when you want to activate lipolysis and sustain it without feeling like crap (like you said, consistency is key and extreme weight loss is a recipe for failure long term). Gut microbes also influence insulin resistance and how we deal with fat storage, so a fiber deficient diet without prebiotics and fermented foods can be a disadvantage. Different timing windows for eating also contribute an important difference, since insulin "turns off" an enzyme (HSL) which allows fat to be released from fat tissues. So the more infrequent the meals that trigger an insulin response, the better for fat loss. The people who follow a super low carb/ketogenic diet take that last one too far and want to be in this state 100% of the time, which is unhealthy in the long term and comes with a fair share of unpleasant side-effects.
Ok I probably shouldn't have said irrelevant (probably something more on the lines of not as significant), even I myself take a multivitamin, fish oil, vitamind D, green tea extract, Tumeric, a probiotic etc. Point is I believe people don't have the right perspective what it comes to health and nutrition. People want to pat themselves on the back every time they eat a salad for lunch then they go home and eat something like KFC for dinner. When I was a server at an Asian restaurant ladies would order something like sweet and sour chicken and then get all butt hurt about making sure they got brown rice instead of white rice (to the ladies I was thinking in my head, " so eating brown rice is going to make a difference when you order something that is deep fried and covered with a sugary sauce?).
Eating whole foods full of nutrients sure does help, but all the blue berries and kale salads in the world won't help people who never even address the fact that they are inactive and above 30% body fat.
Yep, people are clueless. What you include is just as important as what you choose to exclude. As for multivitamin supplements, they haven't been shown to be effective at all in reducing mortality, so I've stopped taking them a long time ago. The people who take them usually have the same mentality that you're describing here, "I don't have to eat very well since I won't be deficient with a multi". In reality it's pretty much a waste of money and could even potentially be harmful. The vitamins that are worth taking are B12 and D, the rest should come from food. K2 might be an exception to look into, I'm not quite sure about it. Exercise is great if you want to be healthier, but it isn't necessary to remain at an optimal body weight.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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brambolius Netherlands. Feb 04 2017 04:36. Posts 1708
On August 13 2016 15:33 RiKD wrote:
More nutrition discussion!!! :
Cholesterol:
So, I recently had my cholesterol checked:
Overall: 273
HDL: 47
LDL: 201
Triglycerides: 124
Doctor's Orders:
Watch fried and greasy food consumption (Will check it again in 3 months and likely suggest statins if no improvement)
The paleo guys like to talk about Cholesterol markers as not telling the whole story. They speak of harmless light and fluffy cholesterol and the real danger is the small and dense cholesterol that gets stuck in the arteries and causes divots. Overall, a better marker of cholesterol would be an ultrasound of the arteries.
Thoughts on above position?
Thoughts on nature vs nurture in regards to cholesterol?
Thoughts on drugs in regards to cholesterol?
What's the deal with cholesterol?
Back story: I had lost 30 lbs. on a paleo diet and was totally drinking the kool-aid. I thought a grass fed ribeye and broccoli was the pinnacle of health and wellness. I was putting butter and coconut oil in my coffee. Then boom! My cholesterol is crazy high. My whole family says it is genetic (except my sister who is awesome). This thread turns into some heavy nutrition discussion. Thanks to this thread and thanks to Loco I move more towards plant based. I am pretty bad. Prepared vegan foods at whole foods are not so great. I am still eating plant based food cooked with butter. I am eating cheese. Then I find some Blue Zones recipes. Actually there is too much history. I will just say there were times when the pleasure trap got me and I was on extended relapse. Nothing as bad as putting tablespoons of butter and coconut oil in my coffee with my bacon and eggs but going to Vegas, Christmas, and going to Charleston, SC was all out trapped in rich palatability.
Anyways, about 6 months later I have gotten an updated cholesterol:
Total: 181
HDL: 41
LDL: 119
Triglycerides: 105
Not great but much, much better. I am also right about the weight that I was after losing the 30 lbs. on Paleo. I gained about 15 lbs. on my non-plant based excursions. Some doctor said people do not get heart attacks at 150 total cholesterol. Some doctor said LDL at less than 100 is great. That would be my goals. I am sure it will happen if I continue eating plant based. Leafy greens, beans, nuts.
Resources + people I would like to thank + shout out:
Loco. I do not get my health or nutrition in order if was not for you.
Dr. John McDougall
Dr. Dean Ornish
Dr. Garth Davis
Blue Zones
Dan Buetner
Ray Cronise
Dr. Joel Fuhrman
Dr. Gregor
Nutritionfacts.com
Man, I don't know. There is a lot.
Dr. John McDougall might argue with Dr. John Fuhrman on how many potatoes we should be eating but I for once have a good understanding on nutrition. There is way less confusion. I know how to eat to get results I want. I have sustainable recipes and food options. I would love to see some activity again in some nutrition discussion. Let's lose fat for the spring and summer. Let's get healthy markers of health. Reduce our chances of cardiovascular disease and stroke and cancer and dementia. Let's do it!
Also, I would like to start a discussion. For those that are on restrictive diets. Do you believe in the cheat meal? The rare and appropriate meal? 90/10 rule? What do people have to say on this topic?
Congrats on your progress, glad to have been of some help. No blood pressure update?
Speaking of the pleasure trap, you should definitely watch this recent video about how different personalities will struggle more or less with maintaining healthy habits. It should help you understand why you've struggled more than I did to eat WFPB (although obviously it helps that I'm an ethical vegan too). You'll keep struggling if you're not close to the perfect personality in the world we live in, but you just have to accept it and do the best you can.
I'd add Dr. Esselstyn to the list who is a real superhero imo and I'd also caution against the strict McDougall diet. I'm pretty convinced it's suboptimal and I'd favor Fuhrman/Greger/Cronise's approaches more, but I'm not worried about eating too many starches at all. My view on cheat meals is that they can be analogized to the opening of floodgates for many people and those people know exactly what that means and they shouldn't mess with it. It takes a lot more effort to close a floodgate than to keep it closed. Some people can get away with it and it's not going to have a negative health impact when it's done once in a while and stays that way. Know thyself. I personally eat some junk here and there when I go out but I never have junk around in my home, it's my one rule. I mainly eat for fuel and I never have cravings for crap and want to keep it that way.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On August 13 2016 15:33 RiKD wrote:
More nutrition discussion!!! :
Cholesterol:
So, I recently had my cholesterol checked:
Overall: 273
HDL: 47
LDL: 201
Triglycerides: 124
Doctor's Orders:
Watch fried and greasy food consumption (Will check it again in 3 months and likely suggest statins if no improvement)
The paleo guys like to talk about Cholesterol markers as not telling the whole story. They speak of harmless light and fluffy cholesterol and the real danger is the small and dense cholesterol that gets stuck in the arteries and causes divots. Overall, a better marker of cholesterol would be an ultrasound of the arteries.
Thoughts on above position?
Thoughts on nature vs nurture in regards to cholesterol?
Thoughts on drugs in regards to cholesterol?
What's the deal with cholesterol?
Back story: I had lost 30 lbs. on a paleo diet and was totally drinking the kool-aid. I thought a grass fed ribeye and broccoli was the pinnacle of health and wellness. I was putting butter and coconut oil in my coffee. Then boom! My cholesterol is crazy high. My whole family says it is genetic (except my sister who is awesome). This thread turns into some heavy nutrition discussion. Thanks to this thread and thanks to Loco I move more towards plant based. I am pretty bad. Prepared vegan foods at whole foods are not so great. I am still eating plant based food cooked with butter. I am eating cheese. Then I find some Blue Zones recipes. Actually there is too much history. I will just say there were times when the pleasure trap got me and I was on extended relapse. Nothing as bad as putting tablespoons of butter and coconut oil in my coffee with my bacon and eggs but going to Vegas, Christmas, and going to Charleston, SC was all out trapped in rich palatability.
Anyways, about 6 months later I have gotten an updated cholesterol:
Total: 181
HDL: 41
LDL: 119
Triglycerides: 105
Not great but much, much better. I am also right about the weight that I was after losing the 30 lbs. on Paleo. I gained about 15 lbs. on my non-plant based excursions. Some doctor said people do not get heart attacks at 150 total cholesterol. Some doctor said LDL at less than 100 is great. That would be my goals. I am sure it will happen if I continue eating plant based. Leafy greens, beans, nuts.
Resources + people I would like to thank + shout out:
Loco. I do not get my health or nutrition in order if was not for you.
Dr. John McDougall
Dr. Dean Ornish
Dr. Garth Davis
Blue Zones
Dan Buetner
Ray Cronise
Dr. Joel Fuhrman
Dr. Gregor
Nutritionfacts.com
Man, I don't know. There is a lot.
Dr. John McDougall might argue with Dr. John Fuhrman on how many potatoes we should be eating but I for once have a good understanding on nutrition. There is way less confusion. I know how to eat to get results I want. I have sustainable recipes and food options. I would love to see some activity again in some nutrition discussion. Let's lose fat for the spring and summer. Let's get healthy markers of health. Reduce our chances of cardiovascular disease and stroke and cancer and dementia. Let's do it!
just because paleo isn't the "perfect" diet doesn't mean it was so bad. diet works on a spectrum. if it helped you improve your baseline diet through eating non filler foods like meat, fruits vegetables it is still preferable to eating processed junk. diet seems like a pretty hard thing to master, and i wish people weren't so caught up in the want-a-perfect plan or a perfectly-efficient-plan and would just give it a go.
fwiw ever since reading this thread, my meat consumption has gone down but i still eat lean chicken breast 2-3 meals a week. i am also convinced adding beans and apples to your diet is the absolute nuts
On March 22 2017 22:32 Loco wrote:
Congrats on your progress, glad to have been of some help. No blood pressure update?
No. My psychiatrist was being thorough but not that thorough. My blood pressure was 115/80 at the time of the high cholesterol. My blood pressure has been good my whole life up to this point. I would imagine it has only gotten better. I have been eating such rare salt that the times I have had a pizza or some chipotle my mouth is like what the fuck happened last night the next morning. Really bizarre experience and my eyes just continue to open on all the crap restaurants are putting into the food. There is this one vegan friendly italian place which is great but anything else is no bueno. Part of the reason I just don't really eat out anymore. I have been doing rare and appropriate and it is dangerous for me but so far I have not even been taking them. If/when I move to Charleston, SC it would become more dangerous. It is just nice if I happen to be out with some people and we end up going to debatably the best pizza place in the city and I have been to the other contenders but not this one. It is nice to be able to enjoy a little bit and then realize man I would rather have a great salad or stew or some rice and beans. Even Chipotle's veggie bowl feels different. Sushi is adding salt and sugar to the rice. After eating pretty strict Fuhrman besides some grains everything starts looking like junk food.
Speaking of the pleasure trap, you should definitely watch this recent video about how different personalities will struggle more or less with maintaining healthy habits. It should help you understand why you've struggled more than I did to eat WFPB (although obviously it helps that I'm an ethical vegan too). You'll keep struggling if you're not close to the perfect personality in the world we live in, but you just have to accept it and do the best you can.
Will definitely watch. Would like to watch tonight but it is getting late for me.
I'd add Dr. Esselstyn to the list who is a real superhero imo and I'd also caution against the strict McDougall diet. I'm pretty convinced it's suboptimal and I'd favor Fuhrman/Greger/Cronise's approaches more, but I'm not worried about eating too many starches at all. My view on cheat meals is that they can be analogized to the opening of floodgates for many people and those people know exactly what that means and they shouldn't mess with it. It takes a lot more effort to close a floodgate than to keep it closed. Some people can get away with it and it's not going to have a negative health impact when it's done once in a while and stays that way. Know thyself. I personally eat some junk here and there when I go out but I never have junk around in my home, it's my one rule. I mainly eat for fuel and I never have cravings for crap and want to keep it that way.
Fuhrman is all about calories divided by nutrients/phytochemicals. He is pretty obsessive about it which kind of gets to me actually. He would say why eat a potato when one can eat some mustard greens. He prescribes eating at least a pound of raw vegetables for lunch and a pound of cooked vegetables for dinner. The potato would ruin his plans. I am sure you know this I just started typing. I could try and go for a really low "ideal" weight but it seems like I have kind of decided I am ok to maintain. Therefore I enjoy some sourdough bread with my soup and have rare and appropriate meals on occasion. I will have to check out Esselstyn.
On August 13 2016 15:33 RiKD wrote:
More nutrition discussion!!! :
Cholesterol:
So, I recently had my cholesterol checked:
Overall: 273
HDL: 47
LDL: 201
Triglycerides: 124
Doctor's Orders:
Watch fried and greasy food consumption (Will check it again in 3 months and likely suggest statins if no improvement)
The paleo guys like to talk about Cholesterol markers as not telling the whole story. They speak of harmless light and fluffy cholesterol and the real danger is the small and dense cholesterol that gets stuck in the arteries and causes divots. Overall, a better marker of cholesterol would be an ultrasound of the arteries.
Thoughts on above position?
Thoughts on nature vs nurture in regards to cholesterol?
Thoughts on drugs in regards to cholesterol?
What's the deal with cholesterol?
Back story: I had lost 30 lbs. on a paleo diet and was totally drinking the kool-aid. I thought a grass fed ribeye and broccoli was the pinnacle of health and wellness. I was putting butter and coconut oil in my coffee. Then boom! My cholesterol is crazy high. My whole family says it is genetic (except my sister who is awesome). This thread turns into some heavy nutrition discussion. Thanks to this thread and thanks to Loco I move more towards plant based. I am pretty bad. Prepared vegan foods at whole foods are not so great. I am still eating plant based food cooked with butter. I am eating cheese. Then I find some Blue Zones recipes. Actually there is too much history. I will just say there were times when the pleasure trap got me and I was on extended relapse. Nothing as bad as putting tablespoons of butter and coconut oil in my coffee with my bacon and eggs but going to Vegas, Christmas, and going to Charleston, SC was all out trapped in rich palatability.
Anyways, about 6 months later I have gotten an updated cholesterol:
Total: 181
HDL: 41
LDL: 119
Triglycerides: 105
Not great but much, much better. I am also right about the weight that I was after losing the 30 lbs. on Paleo. I gained about 15 lbs. on my non-plant based excursions. Some doctor said people do not get heart attacks at 150 total cholesterol. Some doctor said LDL at less than 100 is great. That would be my goals. I am sure it will happen if I continue eating plant based. Leafy greens, beans, nuts.
Resources + people I would like to thank + shout out:
Loco. I do not get my health or nutrition in order if was not for you.
Dr. John McDougall
Dr. Dean Ornish
Dr. Garth Davis
Blue Zones
Dan Buetner
Ray Cronise
Dr. Joel Fuhrman
Dr. Gregor
Nutritionfacts.com
Man, I don't know. There is a lot.
Dr. John McDougall might argue with Dr. John Fuhrman on how many potatoes we should be eating but I for once have a good understanding on nutrition. There is way less confusion. I know how to eat to get results I want. I have sustainable recipes and food options. I would love to see some activity again in some nutrition discussion. Let's lose fat for the spring and summer. Let's get healthy markers of health. Reduce our chances of cardiovascular disease and stroke and cancer and dementia. Let's do it!
just because paleo isn't the "perfect" diet doesn't mean it was so bad. diet works on a spectrum. if it helped you improve your baseline diet through eating non filler foods like meat, fruits vegetables it is still preferable to eating processed junk. diet seems like a pretty hard thing to master, and i wish people weren't so caught up in the want-a-perfect plan or a perfectly-efficient-plan and would just give it a go.
fwiw ever since reading this thread, my meat consumption has gone down but i still eat lean chicken breast 2-3 meals a week. i am also convinced adding beans and apples to your diet is the absolute nuts
The paleo diet was bad though. 3 tablespoons butter, 3 tablespoons coconut mixed in with my morning coffee, 4 strips of bacon, 4 eggs. I was eating 100 oz. or so of meat a week. I thought because it was grass fed or chicken that it was healthy. I was eating a lot of broccoli and sweet potato which is a major plus but not enough to overcome the overall negative. Organic chicken and broccoli is better than a burger and fries, fried chicken, heavily buttered mash potatoes, and heavily sugared and oiled spaghetti and meatballs but that is not great. The bottom line though is animal meat causes disease. There are plenty of studies to support that. Cardiovascular disease, cancers, dementia, alzheimer's. There is no perfect plan but advising someone that is in trouble health wise to just read "Eat to Live" by Dr. Joel Fuhrman is a pretty good place to start. There are always future health concerns but if nothing is pressing it comes down to longevity and palatability and how much different things matter.
Nice on the lowering meat consumption. It is weird for me now in that anything with chicken I would rather just have something else. It is a nothing food. Chipotle last night was a great example. I'd rather have more black beans, salsa and guacamole and it is not close. Beans and apples are definitely the nuts. I had a black eyed pea heavy stew and an apple this night. Finished it all off with a magical mango.
We already talked about the paleo diet at length previously. It's a spectrum ranging between extremely bad to minimally suboptimal, depending on how people think they ought to be eating on that diet. It's just so vague and sometimes contradictory to the anthropological data we have. I still think the biggest benefit of grass-fed meats is that it's so expensive you end up eating less of it. I used to eat that shit 2-3 times a day when I played poker back in 2009 when I didn't care about expenses. I remember my roommate commenting on it saying something like "good thing you're a successful poker player or you wouldn't be able to eat this way". My health was terrible though, even though everything was of the highest quality and all I ate were whole foods. I sure would like to have that money back now but eh, I guess there is no price to be put on having had that experience and confirming what I know now outside of theory.
Fuhrman's veggie-heavy plan can be relaxed for athletes and people who don't need to lose weight. It's just that it's likely not to be optimal for longevity--although you could argue otherwise because of the Okinawans, but their potatoes were much superior. I like that he stresses the importance of a nutrient rich diet, but there comes a point where you just have too much for no reason. I eat a lot of starches and grains and not that many greens and I have no issues meeting the RDI on everything except Vit E sometimes. That said, it does go beyond micronutrients because of the various benefits of the hormetic compounds found in the 'G-BOMBS'. Personally, I've been hitting the gym 3-4 times a week recently and I wouldn't be able to keep up if I focused on eating mostly lower calorie density foods. The health benefits from exercising that much surely outweigh the less optimal diet. At this point it's just minutiae though and not worth worrying about.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Yeah, from my experiences a lot of greens is doable with high activity but there is definitely something to some rice and beans and sweet potatoes and the like. The starches and the grains just got me feeling a little bit more pumped up and ready to go. I would say it is tough to cover the same volume and/or intensity on lower calorie density foods. If the volume or the intensity started to ramp up sometimes it felt like I was literally lacking glycogen. Like the amounts in the blood stream and storage just did not have enough power to beam me up Scotty. The Ray Cronise way to lose weight is to just eat a strict, strict Fuhrman diet and sit and just let the weight drop, 5 hour feeding period, and contrast showers for mild cold stress, and absolutely no exercise allowed. Penn Gillette lost about 100 lbs. in 90 days. Fuhrman diet to maintain the weight. I am sure someone like Rich Roll is consuming a lot more grains and starches and calories to maintain his lifestyle. I think there is perhaps more wisdom with a lot of the Blue Zone diets. Not to say that everyone should make sure to eat a lot of olive oil, feta cheese, and sourdough bread but the recipes and how the Blue Zones eat are far more attractive to me than the Fuhrman ones. I am still looking for good eats. I have not gotten to that level where I thoroughly appreciate the flavors of uncooked broccoli.
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