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On December 27 2016 16:19 Mortensen8 wrote:

The fact that your diet doesn't contain B12 should tell you that something is wrong.

Here you go making stuff up again. One more example of your bad memory. I've defended eating oysters and mussels. You can't criticize my diet for having no B12, they are one of the highest source of B12. How about you address the views of the person you're critiquing instead of making them up according to what you believe a certain group believes? Secondly, I've also shown to you that B12 deficiency is a widespread problem. It's related to the modern environment we live in. Most of the population isn't low in B12 because they are vegan, are they? Did you address that argument? Of course not - you bailed again when you were shown wrong, only to bring this shit up later again to waste some more of my time. You don't have a leg to stand on here.

The fact that humans have eaten animal products for thousands of years makes them safe in my book

and I'll continue to make my own decisions and not listen to American scientists too much as the world gets stranger every day.

Yeah, you'll continue to "make your own decisions" and "live according to your instincts". I'm sure you had the instincts to suck on a cow's nipples from a very young age and slice their throats. Those damn scientists and all their made up science to get you to stop following your instincts.

The highest living age for men is Iceland and I know for a fact those fuckers eat nothing but animal products they should be dead AF according to you.

The highest male life expectancy is in Switzerland. Their females also live longer on average than Iceland's. This is the first page/picture in the Icelandic dietary guidlines of 2015. It was (obviously) chosen to represent the foods they recommend you base your diet on. Tell me what you see, and if it looks like "nothing but animal products". Research is hard.

In other news: Carrie Fisher, the actress best known as Star Wars‘ Princess Leia Organa, has died after suffering a heart attack. She was 60. That's a pretty young age. Mortenson, do you reckon her diet was deficient in heart-healthy grass-fed lamb? Or maybe she was following one of them deceitful mystics' veg diets, which would explain her untimely demise? Should be easy to find out. Apparently, she was following a Jenny Craig diet. Let's find out what that consists of.

"Does It Allow for Dietary Restrictions or Preferences? Vegetarians and vegans: There aren't a lot of prepackaged meatless meal options. If you're vegan, the plan wouldn't work for you, since all of the vegetarian entrees are made with dairy." http://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/jenny-craig-diet

Oh, ok. Well then, I guess we'll never be able to solve this mystery. Must be bad genetics and such.

icelandic diet is definitely rich in animal products, chiefly fish lamb and dairy. But oats are also super common, and I think they have about the highest cod liver oil per capita consumption anywhere. And they also spend a lot of time out in nature and exercise a lot. It might be used as an example of how you (a population) can eat animal products and still be fairly healthy, but not really anything beyond that.

I like knowing how people die, not just how long they live. Healthspan is more important than lifespan. The Nordic countries have the highest death rates in the world from Alzheimer's/Dementia along with the US and Canada. Finland is #1 and Iceland places at #4. Same story with Parkinson's disease: Finland being #1 and Iceland #2. I don't know about you guys but this is definitely not how I want to go out. They also have pretty high rates of colon cancer, multiple sclerosis, pancreatic cancer and twice the death rate from coronary heart disease compared to Japan.

On December 27 2016 18:27 Loco wrote: In other news: Carrie Fisher, the actress best known as Star Wars‘ Princess Leia Organa, has died after suffering a heart attack. She was 60. That's a pretty young age. Mortenson, do you reckon her diet was deficient in heart-healthy grass-fed lamb? Or maybe she was following one of them deceitful mystics' veg diets, which would explain her untimely demise? Should be easy to find out. Apparently, she was following a Jenny Craig diet. Let's find out what that consists of. "Does It Allow for Dietary Restrictions or Preferences? Vegetarians and vegans: There aren't a lot of prepackaged meatless meal options. If you're vegan, the plan wouldn't work for you, since all of the vegetarian entrees are made with dairy." http://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/jenny-craig-diet Oh, ok. Well then, I guess we'll never be able to solve this mystery. Must be bad genetics and such.

>Mounds of meds and coke.

Keep it up, class act.

Predictable response. So, it was all about the drugs huh? You somehow know that. Interesting. Did coke plaque build up in her arteries instead of cholesterol plaque or what? Care to share the data that shows that doing drugs is likely to have been the most significant contributor to the slow and progressive build up of atherosclerotic plaque, which is what is responsible for virtually all heart attacks? It's not like someone who abused her body with drugs is likely to have abused her body with other things such as poor food choices, like drinking twelve cans of coca-cola per day, which would have significantly contributed to the heart disease. Oh no, we can't have that be true. Facepalm. Like Baal said, you were apparently much smarter when you were 11.

Truth is, cardiovascular disease is just one of the many diseases of affluence, largely--but not exclusively--caused by the rich Western diet. But the overarching problem is the "pleasure trap" discussed previously. Whether someone is dealing with substance abuse or junk food addiction, it comes down to the instincts being hijacked in our modern environment, leading to decisions that feel like we are being biologically successful when we do them when they are in fact self-destructive. Carrie Fisher seems to have been particularly unlucky. Rising to stardom at such a young age and having bipolar disorder? Not the best recipe for a happy life. One would be tempted to believe that she was doomed then and there. But according to you brambolius, having kids is not reckless and it never goes wrong. A life long struggle with mental illness and addiction and dropping dead at 60: just as nature intended. There's never been a better time to be alive; go forth and multiply.

I know last sentences are a joke but... there has indeed not been a better time to be alive ... its kind of a fact..

On December 28 2016 15:03 Loco wrote: Predictable response. So, it was all about the drugs huh? You somehow know that. Interesting. Did coke plaque build up in her arteries instead of cholesterol plaque or what? Care to share the data that shows that doing drugs is likely to have been the most significant contributor to the slow and progressive build up of atherosclerotic plaque, which is what is responsible for virtually all heart attacks? It's not like someone who abused her body with drugs is likely to have abused her body with other things such as poor food choices, like drinking twelve cans of coca-cola per day, which would have significantly contributed to the heart disease. Oh no, we can't have that be true. Facepalm. Like Baal said, you were apparently much smarter when you were 11. Truth is, cardiovascular disease is just one of the many diseases of affluence, largely--but not exclusively--caused by the rich Western diet. But the overarching problem is the "pleasure trap" discussed previously. Whether someone is dealing with substance abuse or junk food addiction, it comes down to the instincts being hijacked in our modern environment, leading to decisions that feel like we are being biologically successful when we do them when they are in fact self-destructive. Carrie Fisher seems to have been particularly unlucky. Rising to stardom at such a young age and having bipolar disorder? Not the best recipe for a happy life. One would be tempted to believe that she was doomed then and there. But according to you brambolius, having kids is not reckless and it never goes wrong. A life long struggle with mental illness and addiction and dropping dead at 60: just as nature intended. There's never been a better time to be alive; go forth and multiply.

Cpt.Implying over here lol, Baalim can be your second lieutenant

Assuming and conviction don't blend well, but you are hardcore in that way, aren't you ?

On December 27 2016 18:27 Loco wrote: In other news: Carrie Fisher, the actress best known as Star Wars‘ Princess Leia Organa, has died after suffering a heart attack. She was 60. That's a pretty young age. Mortenson, do you reckon her diet was deficient in heart-healthy grass-fed lamb? Or maybe she was following one of them deceitful mystics' veg diets, which would explain her untimely demise? Should be easy to find out. Apparently, she was following a Jenny Craig diet. Let's find out what that consists of. "Does It Allow for Dietary Restrictions or Preferences? Vegetarians and vegans: There aren't a lot of prepackaged meatless meal options. If you're vegan, the plan wouldn't work for you, since all of the vegetarian entrees are made with dairy." http://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/jenny-craig-diet Oh, ok. Well then, I guess we'll never be able to solve this mystery. Must be bad genetics and such.

you're normally extremely rational but this is just...

Does anyone have any studies/info on the effects of exercise on testosterone?

I have got a lot of bro science info and paleo science info but that is not a great source. Bro's say to LIFT HEAVY WEIGHTS AND EAT A LOT BRO!!! Paleos say do 2 high intensity workouts and it magically effects EVERYTHING. Plus do some sprints sometimes.

I do remember listening to Rhonda Patrick on a podcast that exercise is great for mental health. Stressing the body creates all kind of endorphins. Sitting in hot saunas or jumping into ice baths, cold water, cryo chambers has similar effects.

On December 29 2016 01:39 jeremy5408 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 27 2016 18:27 Loco wrote: In other news: Carrie Fisher, the actress best known as Star Wars‘ Princess Leia Organa, has died after suffering a heart attack. She was 60. That's a pretty young age. Mortenson, do you reckon her diet was deficient in heart-healthy grass-fed lamb? Or maybe she was following one of them deceitful mystics' veg diets, which would explain her untimely demise? Should be easy to find out. Apparently, she was following a Jenny Craig diet. Let's find out what that consists of. "Does It Allow for Dietary Restrictions or Preferences? Vegetarians and vegans: There aren't a lot of prepackaged meatless meal options. If you're vegan, the plan wouldn't work for you, since all of the vegetarian entrees are made with dairy." http://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/jenny-craig-diet Oh, ok. Well then, I guess we'll never be able to solve this mystery. Must be bad genetics and such. you're normally extremely rational but this is just...

This was me trolling Mortensen after he's trolled me a bunch of times. Rational arguments don't reach him if you haven't noticed, so I resorted to showing him that people who drop dead at 60 have diets that look a lot more like his than mine.

On December 28 2016 23:44 brambolius wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2016 15:03 Loco wrote: Predictable response. So, it was all about the drugs huh? You somehow know that. Interesting. Did coke plaque build up in her arteries instead of cholesterol plaque or what? Care to share the data that shows that doing drugs is likely to have been the most significant contributor to the slow and progressive build up of atherosclerotic plaque, which is what is responsible for virtually all heart attacks? It's not like someone who abused her body with drugs is likely to have abused her body with other things such as poor food choices, like drinking twelve cans of coca-cola per day, which would have significantly contributed to the heart disease. Oh no, we can't have that be true. Facepalm. Like Baal said, you were apparently much smarter when you were 11. Truth is, cardiovascular disease is just one of the many diseases of affluence, largely--but not exclusively--caused by the rich Western diet. But the overarching problem is the "pleasure trap" discussed previously. Whether someone is dealing with substance abuse or junk food addiction, it comes down to the instincts being hijacked in our modern environment, leading to decisions that feel like we are being biologically successful when we do them when they are in fact self-destructive. Carrie Fisher seems to have been particularly unlucky. Rising to stardom at such a young age and having bipolar disorder? Not the best recipe for a happy life. One would be tempted to believe that she was doomed then and there. But according to you brambolius, having kids is not reckless and it never goes wrong. A life long struggle with mental illness and addiction and dropping dead at 60: just as nature intended. There's never been a better time to be alive; go forth and multiply. Cpt.Implying over here lol, Baalim can be your second lieutenant Assuming and conviction don't blend well, but you are hardcore in that way, aren't you ?

You assumed that this woman's death was drug related, without evidence, when she was said to have died of a heart attack. I assumed that she died from the number one way you can expect people to die when eating the rich Western diet, because we know that much for certain. And I did say virtually all heart attacks are caused by it, not all of them, so yeah, I'm not claiming there is absolutely no chance that it wasn't some electrical problem due to drug use. It's just a lot less likely.

On December 28 2016 00:11 Loco wrote: I like knowing how people die, not just how long they live. Healthspan is more important than lifespan. The Nordic countries have the highest death rates in the world from Alzheimer's/Dementia along with the US and Canada. Finland is #1 and Iceland places at #4. Same story with Parkinson's disease: Finland being #1 and Iceland #2. I don't know about you guys but this is definitely not how I want to go out. They also have pretty high rates of colon cancer, multiple sclerosis, pancreatic cancer and twice the death rate from coronary heart disease compared to Japan.

Is there any evidence to what is causing Finland and Iceland to be so high?

My first thought is that they never have a true sun in winter and they never have a true night in summer although that is true in other places. That can not be good for brain health. Is it something in their diets?

How do people in Japan exercise and move around?

What is the endgame for you Loco? How would you like to go?

Stay away from sugar and supergluten (flour).

I think milk is also probably bad also

I love that video Erling, his face is priceless. Cowspiracy is good stuff.

RikD, as most people I imagine, in my sleep. But really, as long as it's not my fault, I wouldn't feel bad about it. I've never liked the idea of living the average life and I certainly don't want to die the average death that is entirely preventable.

hehe mock me if you want but he made some good points. Thou, i am drinking chocolate milk right now as we speak...

"saturated fat" "bad fat"

So he didnt pay any attention to medical research the last 30 years ?

7 reasons to eat more saturated fats:

1) Improved cardiovascular risk factors

Though you may not have heard of it on the front pages of your local newspaper, online news source, or local television or radio news program, saturated fat plays a couple of key roles in cardiovascular health. The addition of saturated fat to the diet reduces the levels of a substance called lipoprotein (a)—pronounced “lipoprotein little a” and abbreviated Lp(a)—that correlates strongly with risk for heart disease. Currently there are no medications to lower this substance and the only dietary means of lowering Lp(a) is eating saturated fat. Bet you didn’t hear that on the nightly news. Moreover, eating saturated (and other) fats also raises the level of HDL, the so-called good cholesterol. Lastly, research has shown that when women diet, those eating the greatest percentage of the total fat in their diets as saturated fat lose the most weight.

2) Stronger bones

In middle age, as bone mass begins to decline, an important goal (particularly for women) is to build strong bones. You can’t turn on the television without being told you need calcium for your bones, but do you recall ever hearing that saturated fat is required for calcium to be effectively incorporated into bone? According to one of the foremost research experts in dietary fats and human health, Mary Enig, Ph.D., there’s a case to be made for having as much as 50 percent of the fats in your diet as saturated fats for this reason. That’s a far cry from the 7 to 10 percent suggested by mainstream institutions. If her reasoning is sound—and we believe it is— is it any wonder that the vast majority of women told to avoid saturated fat and to selectively use vegetable oils instead would begin to lose bone mass, develop osteoporosis, and get put on expensive prescription medications plus calcium to try to recover the loss in middle age?

3) Improved liver health

Adding saturated fat to the diet has been shown in medical research to encourage the liver cells to dump their fat content. Clearing fat from the liver is the critical first step to calling a halt to middle-body fat storage. Additionally, saturated fat has been shown to protect the liver from the toxic insults of alcohol and medications, including acetaminophen and other drugs commonly used for pain and arthritis, such as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs or NSAIDs, and even to reverse the damage once it has occurred. Since the liver is the lynchpin of a healthy metabolism, anything that is good for the liver is good for getting rid of fat in the middle. Polyunsaturated vegetable fats do not offer this protection.

4) Healthy lungs

For proper function, the airspaces of the lungs have to be coated with a thin layer of what’s called lung surfactant. The fat content of lung surfactant is 100 percent saturated fatty acids. Replacement of these critical fats by other types of fat makes faulty surfactant and potentially causes breathing difficulties. Absence of the correct amount and composition of this material leads to collapse of the airspaces and respiratory distress. It’s what’s missing in the lungs of premature infants who develop the breathing disorder called infant respiratory distress syndrome. Some researchers feel that the wholesale substitution of partially hydrogenated (trans) fats for naturally saturated fats in commercially prepared foods may be playing a role in the rise of asthma among children. Fortunately, the heyday of trans fats is ending and their use is on the decline. Unfortunately, however, the unreasoning fear of saturated fat leads many people to replace trans fats with an overabundance of polyunsaturated vegetable oils, which may prove just as unhealthful.

5) Healthy brain

You will likely be astounded to learn that your brain is mainly made of fat and cholesterol. Though many people are now familiar with the importance of the highly unsaturated essential fatty acids found in cold-water fish (EPA and DHA) for normal brain and nerve function, the lion’s share of the fatty acids in the brain are actually saturated. A diet that skimps on healthy saturated fats robs your brain of the raw materials it needs to function optimally.

6) Proper nerve signaling

Certain saturated fats, particularly those found in butter, lard, coconut oil, and palm oil, function directly as signaling messengers that influence the metabolism, including such critical jobs as the appropriate release of insulin. And just any old fat won’t do. Without the correct signals to tell the organs and glands what to do, the job doesn’t get done or gets done improperly.

7) Strong immune system

Saturated fats found in butter and coconut oil (myristic acid and lauric acid) play key roles in immune health. Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi. Human breast milk is quite rich in myristic and lauric acid, which have potent germ-killing ability. But the importance of the fats lives on beyond infancy; we need dietary replenishment of them throughout adulthood, middle age, and into seniority to keep the immune system vigilant against the development of cancerous cells as well as infectious invaders.

This just came out. What a sick twist of fate for these people, I was unaware of this condition. Another one to add to the list of the various gifts life has to offer.

On January 17 2017 18:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: hehe mock me if you want but he made some good points. Thou, i am drinking chocolate milk right now as we speak...

??? I wasn't mocking you... I said I love that video. I've seen it before, it's taken from Cowspiracy, and I feel the same way Dr. Klaper does about cow's milk.

Tim Ferriss is a moron when it comes to nutrition. So many things wrong with the thing you've quoted. Don't go to a business man to learn how you should be eating. Also learn to read the ingredient labels on a product before you buy it. If it says "chocolate milk" it doesn't mean it only has chocolate and milk, you know. You just drank a shitton of sugar while advising us to stay away from it...

On January 18 2017 10:58 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2017 18:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: hehe mock me if you want but he made some good points. Thou, i am drinking chocolate milk right now as we speak... ??? I wasn't mocking you... I said I love that video. I've seen it before, it's taken from Cowspiracy, and I feel the same way Dr. Klaper does about cow's milk. Tim Ferriss is a moron when it comes to nutrition. So many things wrong with the thing you've quoted. Don't go to a business man to learn how you should be eating. Also learn to read the ingredient labels on a product before you buy it. If it says "chocolate milk" it doesn't mean it only has chocolate and milk, you know. You just drank a shitton of sugar while advising us to stay away from it...

Ah okey, i thought u were beeing sarcastic ^^

Yes Tim Ferris is a moron. Saturated fats are completly neutral in the body (except for all the health benefits). Saturated fats PLUS sugar thou is problematic. A lot of "experts" do not understand this key difference.