"Yep, you've figured it all out. We only have two choices of foods, processed foods and animal foods. Two choices of dietary fat: trans fats and saturated fat. Since trans fats are extremely harmful that must mean that saturated fat is good, so we should eat more saturated fat then. It's not like we have the choice to eat unprocessed plant foods or anything. Nicely done, detective! Funny thing is, if you really cared about avoiding all trans fats, you would not only stop eating highly refined vegetable oils, you would also stop eating animal products. The only place trans fats are found naturally are in animal products. Funny how your comedian didn't mention this huh? I guess some facts just get in the way of compelling story-telling."
You didnt answer my question thou, how did it work out for the american people that they "discovered saturated fats were bad for you" in the 1970s ? The public and the producers did follow this advice. They replaced all the saturated fats with starch and carbohydrates. So since 1970's we should expect no more obesity and no more heart disease issue in America right ?
To what you typed here: where did it say i cant eat also all the fats from avocado, olive oil, nuts etc ?
"Trans fats, or trans-unsaturated fatty acids, trans fatty acids, are a type of unsaturated fats that occur in small amounts in nature but became widely produced industrially from vegetable fats for use in margarine, snack food, packaged baked goods and frying fast food starting in the 1950s
Ok that was a bit much even for me. No reason to go either high fat or low fat imo. Not sure why everyone feels the need to go to one extreme or the other. I mean ffs loco you can get the best wild salmon do you have any idea how hard it is to get that shit where I live? all I can get is caught and packaged by chinese and it tastes rancid and there you are munching on kale in the fucking snow whining about climate change while you shipped all your food from the other end of the earth.
On January 22 2017 18:11 VanDerMeyde wrote:
"Yep, you've figured it all out. We only have two choices of foods, processed foods and animal foods. Two choices of dietary fat: trans fats and saturated fat. Since trans fats are extremely harmful that must mean that saturated fat is good, so we should eat more saturated fat then. It's not like we have the choice to eat unprocessed plant foods or anything. Nicely done, detective! Funny thing is, if you really cared about avoiding all trans fats, you would not only stop eating highly refined vegetable oils, you would also stop eating animal products. The only place trans fats are found naturally are in animal products. Funny how your comedian didn't mention this huh? I guess some facts just get in the way of compelling story-telling."
You didnt answer my question thou, how did it work out for the american people that they "discovered saturated fats were bad for you" in the 1970s ? The public and the producers did follow this advice. They replaced all the saturated fats with starch and carbohydrates. So since 1970's we should expect no more obesity and no more heart disease issue in America right ?
To what you typed here: where did it say i cant eat also all the fats from avocado, olive oil, nuts etc ?
"Trans fats, or trans-unsaturated fatty acids, trans fatty acids, are a type of unsaturated fats that occur in small amounts in nature but became widely produced industrially from vegetable fats for use in margarine, snack food, packaged baked goods and frying fast food starting in the 1950s
The reason I didn't answer in the way you wanted me to answer is because it's very time consuming because I always want my serious responses to be thorough and this one subject has a lot to unpack and I frankly don't have the time. In the end, it's completely irrelevant to any of the points that I made and the diet I advocate. I'm not defending the US government, I'm appalled by many of their recommendations and have said so repeatedly. I'm just ridiculing this narrative that you and your new-found gurus have that all of the scientific research showing most saturated fats as being deleterious is somehow fake because the government's recommendations were (and are still) wrong. It's absolute nonsense.
They screwed up about trans fats, just like they screwed up about tobacco, sugar, and telling us to drink loads of milk - they also screwed up about vegan diets -- it took a long time for them to be accepted as being healthful. It just doesn't mean what you think it means. You can't just throw 'starch' and 'carbohydrates' under the bus because of this. First, because these categories contain groups of foods that are completely different. Candies are carbs but so are blueberries. Fast food french fries and sweet potatoes aren't the same either. You have to be a lot more specific than 'starch' and 'carbohydrates'. Secondly, your premise is wrong to begin with. Fat consumption didn't actually go down like your gurus claim it did. That's a myth. Your main premise is wrong, so it's no wonder your conclusion is wrong. According to the USDA, every decade since 1950 Americans have been eating more fat, more sweeteners, more meat and more calories (See Chapter 2: Profiling Food Consumption in America). They've been eating more as a whole, not "less fat, more carbs" (however meaningless the word 'carbs' is here). These people you think are authorities on nutrition want us to believe that animal fat has been vilified without any real evidence ("nutritional science is a big sham", and they go on to distort the truth, and you will find out for yourself if you follow their advice for long enough that they have done you a great disservice. You will see a lot of people with great weight loss results in the short term on a low carb/keto diet, but you won't find people thriving in the long term. I have already posted a huge amount of evidence against this crowd of people in this thread, and spent way more time than I should have on it already. I have no interest in reposting it all for you, especially when it's almost guaranteed that you will not learn from it because you're dead set on eating those foods because you love them.
TL;DR : A healthy diet has never been about low-carb vs high-carb, it's about the type of carbs and fats. If people want to be healthy, they should eat less harmful fats (vegetable oils and animal fats--especially from land mammals) and fewer refined carbohydrates. Simple. There was never a need to choose one or the other and the data also doesn't validate the historical view that people traded their intake of saturated fats for "carbs" and "suffered as a consequence".
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On January 21 2017 22:58 Loco wrote:
Here's some science for smart people. Let's discuss that.
Yeah, some really interesting stuff in here. I just love the fact dude has fasted for 23 days and is straight sitting there having a deep conversation. How about some guy fasting for 382 days?!?!?!
I would like to see a graphic for his food triangle. I like the fact he uses words like over nourishment and bottom feeding. It definitely explains why I have gained weight. From experience and from science going all animal meats and oils and ketogenic may work in the short term but it does not work when we talk about health spans.
I like the idea of the cold stress. I have done some of it in the past. Part of me wants to adapt to no heat, no blankets, no bed but I am so attached to my bankey wankey. Adapt to my walks in nature in a loin cloth year round.
Watching videos of scientists talk makes it so clear that we need fiber for the gut and enough micronutrients but watching this video Ray is not deficient after 23 days of no food is crazy.
I agree about what you said about finding the best types of carbohydrates, fats, protein etc Loco. I dont really want to argue anymore i guess. Have a nice day
On January 21 2017 22:58 Loco wrote:
Here's some science for smart people. Let's discuss that.
Yeah, some really interesting stuff in here. I just love the fact dude has fasted for 23 days and is straight sitting there having a deep conversation. How about some guy fasting for 382 days?!?!?!
I would like to see a graphic for his food triangle. I like the fact he uses words like over nourishment and bottom feeding. It definitely explains why I have gained weight. From experience and from science going all animal meats and oils and ketogenic may work in the short term but it does not work when we talk about health spans.
I like the idea of the cold stress. I have done some of it in the past. Part of me wants to adapt to no heat, no blankets, no bed but I am so attached to my bankey wankey. Adapt to my walks in nature in a loin cloth year round.
Watching videos of scientists talk makes it so clear that we need fiber for the gut and enough micronutrients but watching this video Ray is not deficient after 23 days of no food is crazy.
"Obesity and chronic disease are seen most often in people and the animals (pets) they keep warm and over nourished." "Warm and over nourished." That perfectly sums up my Thanksgiving to New Year last year and here I was kicking myself for not exercising enough. Social eating, palatability and the results are in. I gained weight. I am glad I caught this stuff. Thank you. I have to lift weights for the feel good. Lifting weights on a dietary restriction is always tough to do but I must do it or find some other feel good or no exercise and cold stress. I am not training to be an action star or roided up bodybuilding pro. I am here to have my clothes fit and improve health span.
Yeah, I am looking forward to his book where he hopefully takes all of this great stuff and puts it into some practical behaviors that one could choose to experiment with. In 2012 I experimented a lot with fasting, dietary restrictions, and cold stress and was the lowest body fat I have ever been. I am sure he will have some better guidelines. I do not know if I have the motivation that I did back then. I really like the idea of doing a contrast shower and then sleeping in a super cold room. I would love to experiment with ice baths at varying times. I need to move to Norway or Finland or Sweden. Cross country skiing. Outdoor sauna. Outdoor ice bath.
"Until the new diet is equally familiar, convenient and enjoyable to the one that caused the issue, there's no choice. New habits take time." - Ray Cronise
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jeremy5408 United States. Jan 24 2017 06:56. Posts 122
i can get behind/am already behind a plant based diet, cold/heat exposure but intermittent fasting is so overrated. id be more open to the actual fasts although i'm not sure if i have the necessary drive to do it for myself.
Why do you think intermittent fasting is overrated? I've personally been doing it for 4 months and it's been nothing but great. I'm at the point where I see no reason not to do it, it doesn't even take any willpower after a little while.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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jeremy5408 United States. Jan 25 2017 01:31. Posts 122
i've skipped breakfast since highschool (so about 10 years now) before it had a name, but it's just silly and faddish how many "health benefits" and other productivity boosts people are claiming because of it. imo an apple a day >>> converting someone to if-ing
Hm, I only think it's silly when it's people like Kinobody who do it and say, "I can eat whatever [crap] I want and still stay lean, I love IF". IF isn't about skipping breakfast; you're supposed to make up for the calorie deficit by eating bigger meals in a smaller window - and of course the nutrients you get should be about the same. You just optimize fat burning by doing IF and not snacking, it's not rocket science. Productivity boost is definitely a potential upside - your best thinking time is in the morning, and that's when most people choose not to eat, but obviously that's up to the individual. For me, another positive aspect is that it has made me more aware of 'true hunger', like Cronise explains in the video. I used to eat more out of habit in the morning, not because I was truly hungry. And I learned the more nutrient dense your diet is, the less you feel hungry often.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I really like a lot of the conversations I have been listening to. A lot of Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Ray Cronise. So, my bodybuilding friends are telling me stimulate protein synthesis, igf-1, growth hormone, and metabolism. It is always about that. What happens at 50 though? 60? 70? etc.? I would be much better off with dietary restriction, protein restriction, some solid mild cold stress behaviors, and why aren't I swimming? I have a withings scale coming in the mail and can report back. I am going to continue the weight lifting as it makes me feel good but a part of myself is telling me I am doing myself a disservice b/c I likely eat more because of the exercise.
Just count the calories. It gets easy if you eat more or less the same everyday. This is why fat people say they don't eat anything and skeletons claim to be eating so much. People are really bad at telling how much to eat. You can lose weight eating only sweets.
Go to cronometer.com. Remember that oils and stuff have more calories than you think.
Training and being on calorie restriction is a recipe for low. Weight loss is done in the kitchen. I have no idea how you got fat on veganism the opposite is usually the case people don't get enough calories.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend friends !
, and they go on to distort the truth, and you will find out for yourself if you follow their advice for long enough that they have done you a great disservice. You will see a lot of people with great weight loss results in the short term on a low carb/keto diet, but you won't find people thriving in the long term. I have already posted a huge amount of evidence against this crowd of people in this thread, and spent way more time than I should have on it already. I have no interest in reposting it all for you, especially when it's almost guaranteed that you will not learn from it because you're dead set on eating those foods because you love them.
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