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On March 25 2016 05:20 capaneo wrote: The only reason WW3 seems so close is because of idiots who view over 1 billion people as "a problem"

you mean the idiots who think 5.5 billion people are kafir, right?

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On March 25 2016 05:20 capaneo wrote: The only reason WW3 seems so close is because of idiots who view over 1 billion people as "a problem"

Yah because those assholes in Brussel really had it coming right?

Fucking pricks were so mean to refugees. They took em in. Gave them welfare. How hateful. It's no wonder some Jihadists wanted to blow themselves up in their airport and kill civilians. Makes TOTAL sense!

Oh yah, and coloniolism and Bush and Trump and racism and bigotry and white people and money and climate change because CNN and my college professor with big glasses and big words told me so.

On March 25 2016 05:22 capaneo wrote: Sam Harris thinks Ben Carson got foreign policy all figured out. So when the conversation is degraded to a point of mentioning him, it is my cue to leave. I can find more dignity in people joining ISIS than Sam Harris.

Why do you hate Sam Harris so much?

FWIW, I don't particularly like him either. IMO Sam Harris is like the poor man's Christopher Hitchens. But atleast in his misplaced premise that religion is the source of all problems he identifies radical Islam as the worst right now. It's a start. Sam Harris just can't wrap his mind around the fact that Stalin, a Leftist atheist, was the single most murderous figure in modern history. Ended up being worse than Hitler, who secretly despised religion himself and used it for political gain. Probably what ISIS leaders are doing now. Only problem is all their retarded followers are willing to die for the trash. Anyway, kinda shits all over the great secular theory that if we just stopped believing it God, everything would be dandy.

But ironically our fearless President Barack Hussein Obama wants to do the wave with Raul Castro while ISIS grows. You want to talk about a real piece of shit, Barack is the epitome of some guy who uses big words but is just a lost little man. Leftists are the worst because you have to put up with their sanctimonious bullshit. Atleast with ISIS you know where they stand.

On March 24 2016 20:06 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2016 07:42 Baalim wrote:   On March 23 2016 20:19 soberstone wrote:   On March 23 2016 19:56 fira wrote: what does it mean to take responsibility though? how can a state take responsibility for the actions of a few people? and, is the statement supposed to be an apology, or like, a declaration of war? Certainly not an apology... it's more like bragging as a recruitment tool / as a demonstration of 'power'. They've already declared war but we don't recognize them as a state so therefore it can't be a traditional country vs country war. This is why the war on terror is stupid - it's not specific enough to ever win because you can't ever declare victory over the generality of 'evil'. Evil, terror, it will always manifest. As for ISIS, they now have control of territory in Syria and Iraq that is very sizable. What we need to do is unify NATO in declaring a war on Jihadism, encompassing ISIS, Alkeida, Boko Haram, etc. and set some specific goals. What those would be exactly I don't know, but the simple fact needs to be that if you aid Islamic Terrorists - as Pakistan knowingly aided Osama Bin Laden, etc. - you are now at war with NATO. It doesn't mean we should go in and kill innocent people on purpose, but there will inevitably be collateral damage, that's just the truth. It will need to be a combination of harsh sanctions, closed borders, and yes - military action. The US will need to lead because that's just the way it is, Western European governments have no will or backbone and are on the verge of economic bankruptcy - besides Germany. Inevitably, the far left will demonize us as warmongers but it's long past time that we try to appease those who have no interest in being appeased, rather are only interested in dividing for political gain. The kneejerk reaction to blame Islamophobia is a clear example of this - it is not rooted in any sort of fact at all and does nothing good - it just pisses people off. As the graph above shows, Islamophobia isn't a growing problem. This is an inevitability. The only question is how long we practice this stupid strategy of trying to achieve peace with people who DON'T WANT IT by showing them how loving we are. The cancer will continue to spread, and millions of peace loving Christians and moderate Muslims will continue to be murked. It's an absurd strategy that is built on a faulty premise. Going into Iraq was a bad idea, but pulling out and leaving a vacuum once the damage was done was even worse. We can't leave vacuums, we need to wipe out the enemy, and not democracy build - but absolutely stick around in a residual capacity until moderate governments are stable and in place. This may take a few decades. Big fucking deal. We still have troops in Japan - it's not the end of the world - it's peaceful and they are happy and free. Yes because armed conflict has showed that it helps combat terrorist cells and their numbers do not incrase at all... right?.... Obviously declaring open war on any country that the CIA deems that has helped in some form a terrorist cell is a terrible idea that instead of reducing terrorism will make it worse exponentially, even Milo mentions that the west should not occupy many of their countries because that fuels the hatred that moves terrorism. It is not a country you are fighting but an ideology and culture and you only fan the flames when you attack it, just get your hands out of the fucking fire and lt it burn by itself Um. Actually yes. I happen to take ISIS at their word that they want us dead unless we convert. That doesn't mean stop bombing. It means convert or die. I don't buy the Leftwing rhetoric that us defending ourselves helps recruitment. I think it's BS. You don't fan the flame when you attack it. You kill it. They don't use reality to recruit. They use their success to recruit disenfranchised youth, not moral equivalencies. How do you explain the recent exponential spreading of ISIS? Are you still blaming Bush? Because we are doing relatively nothing to them right now. Is the 'containment' strategy working? If so, we have a vastly different definition of 'working'. There will be more attacks in the coming weeks.

I also believe then when ISIS say convert or die, however bombing countries across the globe is not a defense, its a preemptive attack, and if you dont "buy" the left rhetoric how about reading statistics, Al-Qaeda has more members than ever, so does ISIS, terrorism is stronger than it was 15 years ago despise an extremely agressive foreign policy of occupation and invasion of two countries and constant drone bombing on the entire region. If after 15 years of attacks and terrorism growing isnt evidence enough that it is not working you are being an idiot.

Apparently you believe Obama had a peaceful foreign policy, well let me correct you, Obama actually increased the drone strikes in the region, thousands of soldiers are in the area, there has been constant intervention in Lybia and Siria etc.

So no, the US currently doesnt have a defense or peaceful foreign policy in the middle east, you would have to withdraw all troops from the region and stop drone strikes

On March 25 2016 05:22 capaneo wrote: Sam Harris thinks Ben Carson got foreign policy all figured out. So when the conversation is degraded to a point of mentioning him, it is my cue to leave. I can find more dignity in people joining ISIS than Sam Harris.

I disagree with Harris on a few things specially about foreign policy but to say he is worse than somebody who beheads "kaffirs" is absolutely idiotic, so even if you use that comparison as hyperbole you shouldn't, it makes you lose credibility

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On March 24 2016 22:41 soberstone wrote: Please answer my question with an answer: How do you explain the spread of ISIS given that our foreign policy over the past 8 years has been one of military retreat and isolationism? Is it a delayed result of Bush's policy? If so, if I concede that (for the sake of debate) - than at what point and how many attacks would you advocate military action? Should we wait until they drop a bomb? Somewhere in between? Please outline a substantive answer, as I am perfectly willing to do for any question you have for me so long as it is not rhetorical in nature.

You are so clueless aren't you ?
Thats the natural development of things in such countries after a country like yours invades it and destroys people's lives. The thing is you were wrecking that region for so long that retreat was not an option at the time being. Of course you haven't had an adequate president since ages so no wonder decision that were made terrible.
Who s talking about political correctness wow. You keep bringing it up. I don't really care about it. I just get tilted when people defend with passion the perspectives given to them by the media. What I'm trying to say is the one to blame here mostly is the USA and then NATO countries etc. etc. Since we were the terrorists for those countries such as ISIS is for us now. Whats the right thing to do? There isn't one, most likely a lot of people will have to die for the crisis to be resolved. But giving heated arguments that they must be stomped because this and that media bullshit reason is ridiculous and inaccurate. You have 30ish dead in Belgium and don't know how many in France, while thats something that happens probably close to a daily or weekly basis there.

What I'm trying to say is. Nobody gives a fuck about the normal people - not here in Europe, not in the USA, neither in Arab countries. It's all politics. It's all about money and power - you can be convinced in that. If the USA/Europe wanted to stop ISIS they would first tell Erdogan to stop fucking buying their petrol for example wouldn't they? Or the USA could just send 10 out of their probably close to 200 000 armed drones in the region and bomb the shit out the refineries or whatever structure is used for its collection. It's not like they have a shield against missiles and the main finances come from the oil so there? Another thing is Saudi Arabia and Turkey could stop selling them weapons, but that wont happen too will it? Don't believe me ? Simple logistics, there is no other way for them to get weapons.
You see the same countries that are allegedly against iSIS are the ones allowing it to run and the ones financing it. So no this isn't about a bunch of " EVIL " ( rofl did you really use that word ) people trying to reign terror. It's about geopolitics and money and fear being spread into simpletons

On March 25 2016 05:20 capaneo wrote: The only reason WW3 seems so close is because of idiots who view over 1 billion people as "a problem"

So muslims should have a special right to commit terror attacks without any critical questions beeing asked ? Just because they are so many of them ?

On March 25 2016 05:20 capaneo wrote: The only reason WW3 seems so close is because of idiots who view over 1 billion people as "a problem"

Dunno man, this comment has a strong button mash feel to it.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/198368-po...kistan-say-raping-boys-is-acceptable/

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/...-bill-in-pakistan-say-its-un-islamic/

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/06...s-in-case-it-inflamed-racial-tension/

bacha bazi

this shit is rampant all over muslim society; afghans, saudis, shit even india it don't matter. And the immigrants are spreading that shit into civilized areas like the UK were many horrible scandals have recently been covered up.

I know this shit is not talked about but that just further goes to show how much these nation rebuilding efforts are bullshit and these last 15 years of "war" were just some straight weak half-measures (maybe the only thing spitfire is right about is the geopolitical aspect of the whole thing wherein the people at the top perpetuate this shit for money and power)

All this different but equal talk is trash and i've generally held pretty tolerant, liberal views. Do what you do as long as you aren't hurting others. But when half your society is considered subhuman (women) and the other quarter+ are fucking prebuscent boys and openly bragging about it... that is some backwards savage shit that has got to go.

And then you add on top that they wanna kill non believers and basically turn the planet into some giant caliphate. With the most powerful motivation possible behind it (religious fanaticism) that is quite dangerous. Analagous to living next door to a repeat sex offender; fuck it inviting them into your home to crash on the couch after getting out of prison with your children in the room next door.

First obvious move is to do like the japanese and close borders entirely and not to view looking down on Islam as racist/xenophobic/strange/inferior/illogical. It is clearly all of those things. You cannot even import the Arabic Koran into japan. Kind of a problem here in the states as so many already live here and i'm not saying we can deport citizens even if they do believe in dangerous trash but we can at least stem the tide and hope the ones that remain continue to integrate into society and give up some of the more barbaric core beliefs.


and how can the limited military actions of the last few years really be considered war? War is some winner take all shit. Would the Roman's in Obama's position have taken the same actions? Alexander the Great? Even many of the warring parties in WW1 and WW2 would have taken all. Honestly they would probably drop the Hydrogen Bombs in one of the few situations we could actually do so without guaranteeing mutual annihilation (Islamic countries don't have it except pakistan which doesn't have the rockets to get them here - I'm sure the US wouldn't wanna risk Israel but we could preempt that action and still get it done- not that i advocate that I don't). At the very least after occupying Iraq and Afghanistan they would have taken over as the ruling parties; taken the resources (oil - poppy fields - pomegranates) and land for themselves. Probably enslave the people, ban the Koran and the religion entirely. If facing a continuing threat from a zealous population they would do what they had to quell it and the death count would be quite high. Not advocating any of this; just don't like calling it a war when we went in and headhunted a few dudes for reasons actually quite counter to our self defense, then left without putting ourselves in any better of a situation than we were before (again except haliburton and co who continue to reap the rewards of instability in the region despite the human toll). So it wasn't a war in the terms of what the Islamic people would do if the roles and power situations were reversed. IF reversed I have no doubt they would instantly turn those desserts into glass without losing a head; then suck the oil out of the shattered earth. From a purely objective basis on what is best for humanity in the long run the deaths of even 100s of millions of Muslims would be preferable to the entire planet descending into an Islamic hellhole over the next few centuries (a scenario in which many more "non believers" would die than even exist Muslims today).

Obviously it doesn't need to go anywhere near there though. Let them do them in their currently controlled territories and try to convert their society slowly through humane non-violent efforts slowly if possible. In the end if they force it though someone has clearly gotta go.

i mean closing borders to muslims. not all immigrants.

Religion is stupid because of shit like this.

Love, your neighborhood atheist.

On March 26 2016 06:38 traxamillion wrote: http://www.weaselzippers.us/198368-po...kistan-say-raping-boys-is-acceptable/ https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/...-bill-in-pakistan-say-its-un-islamic/ http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/06...s-in-case-it-inflamed-racial-tension/ bacha bazi this shit is rampant all over muslim society; afghans, saudis, shit even india it don't matter. And the immigrants are spreading that shit into civilized areas like the UK were many horrible scandals have recently been covered up. I know this shit is not talked about but that just further goes to show how much these nation rebuilding efforts are bullshit and these last 15 years of "war" were just some straight weak half-measures (maybe the only thing spitfire is right about is the geopolitical aspect of the whole thing wherein the people at the top perpetuate this shit for money and power) All this different but equal talk is trash and i've generally held pretty tolerant, liberal views. Do what you do as long as you aren't hurting others. But when half your society is considered subhuman (women) and the other quarter+ are fucking prebuscent boys and openly bragging about it... that is some backwards savage shit that has got to go. And then you add on top that they wanna kill non believers and basically turn the planet into some giant caliphate. With the most powerful motivation possible behind it (religious fanaticism) that is quite dangerous. Analagous to living next door to a repeat sex offender; fuck it inviting them into your home to crash on the couch after getting out of prison with your children in the room next door. First obvious move is to do like the japanese and close borders entirely and not to view looking down on Islam as racist/xenophobic/strange/inferior/illogical. It is clearly all of those things. You cannot even import the Arabic Koran into japan. Kind of a problem here in the states as so many already live here and i'm not saying we can deport citizens even if they do believe in dangerous trash but we can at least stem the tide and hope the ones that remain continue to integrate into society and give up some of the more barbaric core beliefs. and how can the limited military actions of the last few years really be considered war? War is some winner take all shit. Would the Roman's in Obama's position have taken the same actions? Alexander the Great? Even many of the warring parties in WW1 and WW2 would have taken all. Honestly they would probably drop the Hydrogen Bombs in one of the few situations we could actually do so without guaranteeing mutual annihilation (Islamic countries don't have it except pakistan which doesn't have the rockets to get them here - I'm sure the US wouldn't wanna risk Israel but we could preempt that action and still get it done- not that i advocate that I don't). At the very least after occupying Iraq and Afghanistan they would have taken over as the ruling parties; taken the resources (oil - poppy fields - pomegranates) and land for themselves. Probably enslave the people, ban the Koran and the religion entirely. If facing a continuing threat from a zealous population they would do what they had to quell it and the death count would be quite high. Not advocating any of this; just don't like calling it a war when we went in and headhunted a few dudes for reasons actually quite counter to our self defense, then left without putting ourselves in any better of a situation than we were before (again except haliburton and co who continue to reap the rewards of instability in the region despite the human toll). So it wasn't a war in the terms of what the Islamic people would do if the roles and power situations were reversed. IF reversed I have no doubt they would instantly turn those desserts into glass without losing a head; then suck the oil out of the shattered earth. From a purely objective basis on what is best for humanity in the long run the deaths of even 100s of millions of Muslims would be preferable to the entire planet descending into an Islamic hellhole over the next few centuries (a scenario in which many more "non believers" would die than even exist Muslims today). Obviously it doesn't need to go anywhere near there though. Let them do them in their currently controlled territories and try to convert their society slowly through humane non-violent efforts slowly if possible. In the end if they force it though someone has clearly gotta go.

That last article you put is insane. People were afraid of reporting hundreds of children being raped for years - even their own parents - because otherwise they would be labeled as racist? Not even going into the muslim debate, how can you allow a person (and especially a children) to suffer so much in front of you and not do anything about it? What is this madness how can you stay silent in front of any innocent person being physically and mentally tortured in front of you without doing anything about it. If this PC thinking makes people become human trash then they deserve less respect than the rapists themselves.

Even the police were afraid to take action against the "rape rings" or what they were called in U.K. Because they would be labelled "racist" if they did. Its totally crazy and outrageous

Government institutions failing their citizens on something basic and sadistic, now thats a first

On March 26 2016 09:07 JonnyCosMo wrote: Religion is stupid because of shit like this. Love, your neighborhood atheist.

Oversimplifications like this are just stupid. Don't blame religion, blame people. Stalin? Murdered more than anyone. Atheist. Didn't love his neighbor.

These days the Church does far, far more good than bad (even Catholicism which I admit I kinda have a personal bias against because that particular church is uber corrupt and I think the concept of a Pope is just sooooo dumb - sorry Catholics) regardless of how bad some of the shit in the bible sounds at face value. Because the Church modernized.

Islam just needs to modernize big time, which means people need to stop being policed into being politically correct and not acknowledging that it has a massive problem with radical fundamentalism.

Anyone or any country who believes in a Caliphate, Theocratic rule, Jihad, etc needs to be shunned. Not complicated. On a tangent, would be a lot easier for the US to stop buying oil from these shitbags if we dug up what was under our own feet instead of worrying about nonsense Climate Change (another stupid politically motivated phenomenon and yes I know that carbon emissions are up... perfectly faithful that science will take care of this in due time and if not too bad because China ain't stopping).

IF that's not possible, I don't claim to know, would probably need to ask an objective moderate Muslim scholar, than Islam will end up going bye bye after a lot of people die. I have faith for Muslim moderates that they can take over and modernize their religion.

BTW good rant Cam. I do think Muslims in the US have assimilated well because they've come over so slowly and learned how much better our societies are. Definetely shouldn't be taking in refugees right now though. Due to our shitbag leadership, radicalization is too high right now and we can't properly vet the refugees.