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On April 03 2016 20:25 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2016 12:01 KrappyKonnect wrote:   On April 02 2016 08:27 capaneo wrote: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/22/syrian-...zi-politician-from-car-crash-5768337/ I am posting this just to show how irrelevant it is to bring up the crimes committed by a few refugees and then make a conclusion about millions of people based on that. How does that make crimes irrelevant? You show me a fruity little article I'm sure I could counter with something else. How many of the millions people will choose god over the country they just settled in. How many generations until they let that go? That's the problem you probably dont even know any muslims and you are just as bad as the people you probably despise on the right. I'm for Canada helping refugees and bringing them over because we can cap it and screen these people. Why should Europe allow an unending stream of unscreened people, a lot of them not syrian and just taking advantage of the situation? Saudi Arabia and Iran sure don't and Turkey is getting fed up but they are getting paid so its OK. These people have very different values and beliefs and its dangerous to try and assimilate so many of them at once. There will be more Belgiums but we oppressed conquered and colonized and the middle east and syria is the way it is because USA, so its OK. #whiteguilt. First, who is arguing for letting in "unscreened" people? And second, why you think these refugees chose Europe and North America over Saudi Arabia and Iran to take shelter in? Do you think it is because they want to setup sleeper cells in those countries? These people know better than anyone why fundamentalism is a problem. The fundamentalist Islam is a real problem here and should be defeated in an ideological battle with the change of culture over time. To alienate possibly your best allies in such a war is the most destructive thing you can do. The point is that almost all of these refugees are literally running away from the enemy. To turn them around is not only inhumane it is the most counter productive thing you can do to defeat Islamist extremist. The Belgian attackers were born and raised in Belgium. The London attackers were born and raised in England (one in Jamaica). Most of these fools blowing themselves up have never experienced the evil side of Islam. These refugees have and will be the voice in those mosques and communities who will speak against the bullshit ideology. I can tell you first hand from many many people I know. The Muslims running away from Middle-east are the strongest and most outspoken people against the fundamentalist ideologies that is the root of the problem and their voice carries ALOT more weight than the likes of Bill Maher and Sam-fucking- Harris.

They are running away from fundamentalism, but they still believe in some crazy shit. It would be hard and take time if it were any alien culture migrating this many people but with the people coming in, some hold on to beliefs that will make it harder for some people in this particular group to assimilate to society. How many people now and in future generations will feel oppressed and radicalize . I dont think that many but we already have ISIS thanks to people never experiencing the "evil" side of Islam, and this was before we tried a mass migration.

I went to a very multicultural school downtown, and I knew a lot of young Muslims who were good people, who were cool for the most part but they were very mad when the Danish cartoon scandal happened. There was also a small amount of kids who aren't going to school, because a lot of the time you'd see new people you have no idea who they are until they would leave to pray. They usually did not last at the school long, and the two times there was a girl with a niqab they lasted a day,. I think if you increase the numbers of that community exponentially all at once it would be foolish to not calculate or acknowledge the dangers especially when they will feel somewhat stigmatized by society .

People can't even debate this without people saying ridiculous shit like its USA's/The West/ our fault or Christianity is just as evil, its bullshit. I mean you are coming from a position where you think a free thinker is worse than a suicide bomber because you disagree with him. That to me is very fucking stupid because our value of freedom is what our countries are supposed to be about and needs to be protected over anything else. Is it so terrible to have people critically debating this position in a intelligent way? There are problems within and fully ignoring it will just make things worse for everyone.

On April 04 2016 11:46 Gumster wrote: please, in my post, point to where i talked about terrorists, i said extremists, people with extreme (often religious) views. those are not typically the ones blowing themselves up, it's rarely the same thing. never once did i mention terrorists. you guys should learn how to read. you guys just completely ignored the most important points i was trying to make cuz your stupid ass didn't read the post carefully enough. of course killing innocent people is worse than having the viewpoint that people should not be allowed to migrate to your country, that's not the point i was trying to make. i just mean that some people have excellent opportunities to educate themselves as citizens in europe and america, yet they believe shit that trump says and these easy "lets just close the borders" solutions also the "go back to university" insult was a good one. ill do that. now you go back to your fucking mancave and read all those "reliable" sources that you've found of the people that are "the only ones daring to tell the truth about those immigrants!!"

So the ones who don't have extreme views those are the ones blowing themselves up? I guess more reason to not let them in, lol.

People are voting for Trump because they are tired of being told if they dont agree with the media's narrative they are wrong and racist and people are fed up. He's taking the angriest position on this and its gotten him way farther then he probably imagined. Even if you had a better opportunity to educate yourself it doesn't mean most people aren't clueless on politics and the world, because if anyone actually listen to him being debated on the issues and his own history its scary. But he's obviously smart enough to be in the position he's in even though he himself seems really clueless. Maybe if people would actually talk about issues instead of all the distractions already Trump would be done which is why I hope Sanders wins the nomination because with Hillary its going to be a ridiculous few months and he could have somewhat of a chance.

Oh please universities are a joke these days. Unless you are in one of the top universities or in a stem field or something useful you are just being told what to think and getting charged for it. You tow the politically correct line and you will pass easily. The majority of people will get a degree that they can feel superior about. The layman has every book in the world to read and no one to tell him what is acceptable or crazy. I went to a fucking graphic design degree and got dragged into these leftist lectures.

Yea follow Morts advice to a statistically proven lower quality of life and lower wages. Mort the Wise!

You don't need a university degree for the arts or to be wise. When everyone can get a degree it goes down in value.

No shit, read my prior posts about university's diminishing returns over the years

Doesnt make university 'not valuable'

Getting a degree and getting a job is ant-man mentality. Either you are great at something or you are not. I would rather go bankrupt trying to do something on my own and work physical labor than a safe desk job with a fancy degree.

And by the way the plumber that gets into his trade early earns as much as a doctor in the long run if money is what all you care about.

Nobody asked, or cares of what dumbass life plan you have in mind.

I was telling you about the unfounded superiority these university degree holders have and you said ¨'it's not worthless I can get a cushy job' Ok enjoy your manboobs and lack of vitamin D I guess you can get a job in the government since they are the scummiest of all jobs and have more privileges.

I said its not worthless (your made up example of plumber > doctor is not factual, nor is it an argument)

But i never said anything about getting "a cushy" job.

All i said is statistically/historically speaking, universities have been "worth" , and even though they can be percived as "worthless" they arr still "worth", its matter of diminishing returns. (A matter of using your brain instead of listening to some retards opinions on youtube)

STOP ASSUMING THINGS, MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DUMBASS.

I'm having some fun relax. My point is only a small % of the population is useful in university. Today it is a requirement for most jobs. There are many worthless degrees that don't make the people holding them superior in any way to baals views of 'rednecks' or working class people. These rednecks are often far more pleasant and down to earth. There is obvious brainwashing going on and making people conform. A university degree in many cases is to show your future employer that you are a good little peon.

If we are talking about dimplomas in saturated fields, like arts&psychology for example, then mostly, its to tell your future employer, wether the degree is relevant or not, that you can achive a 3 year "project" successfully. Wether you call that being a "good little peon" or brainwashing is your choice.

The Panama Papers leak, discuss.

On April 03 2016 19:56 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2016 09:09 Baalim wrote:   On April 02 2016 12:01 KrappyKonnect wrote: That's the problem you probably dont even know any muslims This is where Capaneo points out that he is persian and knows more muslims than all of us combined instead of actually replying to actually meaningful posts where I said around 50% of muslims believe in death to aphostacy, homosexuality etc. and calling him out on his claims about Sam Harris. Where do you get these numbers? And Muslims from where? That is such a broad population. It is impossible to do any survey on Muslims on the entire world. Do you know how did this specific surveying work?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/th...olitics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

read and weep my friend

Is mortensen really from Iceland? He says stuff like layman, and having a physical work and calls education "fancy degree", are you sure you are not from Alabama?

On April 05 2016 01:35 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2016 19:56 capaneo wrote:   On April 03 2016 09:09 Baalim wrote:   On April 02 2016 12:01 KrappyKonnect wrote: That's the problem you probably dont even know any muslims This is where Capaneo points out that he is persian and knows more muslims than all of us combined instead of actually replying to actually meaningful posts where I said around 50% of muslims believe in death to aphostacy, homosexuality etc. and calling him out on his claims about Sam Harris. Where do you get these numbers? And Muslims from where? That is such a broad population. It is impossible to do any survey on Muslims on the entire world. Do you know how did this specific surveying work? http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/th...olitics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ read and weep my friend

First of all, there is fundamental problem with surveying in most Muslims countries. I give you a perfect example. I travel to Iran and middle-east regularly. If while I am there someone ask me if apostasy should be punished by death. I will always say yes. I know all my friends and families and their families friends would say exactly the same thing. Because everyone is paranoid about government and surveillance etc. (which actually is not even that paranoid, because it is something that happens regularly)
Second, the law you are referring to, is actually part of Islam same as fasting is part of Islam. Same as lent is part of Christianity. But blowing up Muslims and terrorist attacks is actually not. It is only a specific interpretation by the extreme right wing group mostly from Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan.

But all that aside, I am not sure what conclusion you are trying to get at? Let me give you an example involving US. There are many survey that also say about 20%-30% of Americans are against abortion in ANY and ALL circumstances. There are also crazy American who go bomb, burn or do mass shooting at abortion clinics. So based on that are you suggesting that 20% of Americans which is about 60million people are actively out there trying to murder people at abortion clinics?

How often do burnings or mass shootings happen at abortion clinics once every 5 years? If I told those 60 million people Jesus sucks like they probably come across on tv or whatever weekly, would they start protesting sometimes to the point of violence? All your family and friends are paranoid because you think they are worried about surveillance? Some of your friends believe in death for apostasy and if they don't in Iran they do in other countries, its a lot more than 60 million people, and their 60 million are at least 3x crazier. I dont see how fixing that outlook should be 100% on Europe.

On April 05 2016 08:07 capaneo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2016 01:35 Baalim wrote:   On April 03 2016 19:56 capaneo wrote:   On April 03 2016 09:09 Baalim wrote:   On April 02 2016 12:01 KrappyKonnect wrote: That's the problem you probably dont even know any muslims This is where Capaneo points out that he is persian and knows more muslims than all of us combined instead of actually replying to actually meaningful posts where I said around 50% of muslims believe in death to aphostacy, homosexuality etc. and calling him out on his claims about Sam Harris. Where do you get these numbers? And Muslims from where? That is such a broad population. It is impossible to do any survey on Muslims on the entire world. Do you know how did this specific surveying work? http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/th...olitics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ read and weep my friend First of all, there is fundamental problem with surveying in most Muslims countries. I give you a perfect example. I travel to Iran and middle-east regularly. If while I am there someone ask me if apostasy should be punished by death. I will always say yes. I know all my friends and families and their families friends would say exactly the same thing. Because everyone is paranoid about government and surveillance etc. (which actually is not even that paranoid, because it is something that happens regularly) Second, the law you are referring to, is actually part of Islam same as fasting is part of Islam. Same as lent is part of Christianity. But blowing up Muslims and terrorist attacks is actually not. It is only a specific interpretation by the extreme right wing group mostly from Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan. But all that aside, I am not sure what conclusion you are trying to get at? Let me give you an example involving US. There are many survey that also say about 20%-30% of Americans are against abortion in ANY and ALL circumstances. There are also crazy American who go bomb, burn or do mass shooting at abortion clinics. So based on that are you suggesting that 20% of Americans which is about 60million people are actively out there trying to murder people at abortion clinics?

Its starting to get irritating that you do not read the posts in the thread.

At no point Ive said that 50% of muslims are terrorist at any point, in fact I made it very clear that under 1% actually are connected to a terrorist cell, but that a majority or close to it are Islamists and have absolutely barbaric beliefs incompatible with the west, like death for leaving Islam, death to homosexuals, death to blasphemers etc. And im only focusing on capital punishment and Im not mentioning the countless other violent and hateful beliefs about women, modesty, corporal punishment, speech etc.

On April 05 2016 01:39 Baalim wrote: Is mortensen really from Iceland? He says stuff like layman, and having a physical work and calls education "fancy degree", are you sure you are not from Alabama?

Alabama is my spirit home and rednecks are a class of peace.