traxamillion United States. Mar 28 2016 07:09. Posts 10468
On March 28 2016 05:01 whamm! wrote:
This Muslim shopkeeper in Scotland wanted tolerance and wrote a heartfelt message of peace to Christians
- after a couple of hours he was stabbed to death in front of a lot witnesses. Smh.
If this kind of behavior gets a death sentence, no wonder the moderates don't say shit https://www.rt.com/uk/337257-scottish-muslim-shopkeeper-killed/
On March 27 2016 03:59 whamm! wrote:
They won't stop bombing even if you:
a) leave them alone in the middle east
how would you know?
What were we doing in the Middle East on September 10th, 2001?
1981 - the US shoots down Lybian jets in the Gulf of Sidra refusing to acknolwdge the area as Lybian waters.
1982 - US deploys forces in the Sinai Peninsula
1982 the US sends 800 marines in Lebanon
1983 the US sends 1200 more soldiers in Lebanon
1986 the US fires missiles against Lybian soldiers
1986 the USnaval forces bomb Tripoly claiming terrorist there attacked Germany
1987 the US attacks two Iranian oil plataform
1988 US attacks Iranian forces as reprisal for deplying mines in the persian gulf
1989 US destroys two Lybian fighters jets again over the mediterranean sea, the american pilots claimed the Lybian pilots demonstrated hostile intentions
1990 - Bush declares operation Desert Shield, deploying troops in Saudy Arabia precursor to the Gulf War.
1996 Operation Desert Strike, american forces strike Iraq to protect the Kurdish population
1998 Operation Desert Fox, american conduct major bombings for 3 days on important Iraqui targets
1998 Operation Infinite Reach, americans deploy cruise missiles to target suspected terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Sudan
2000 special forces deployed in Nigeria for training purposes
And that list is only acknowledged attacks, it isnt counting all the coups orchestrated by american intelligence and CIA missions and I didnt mention all the attacks post 2001 because that list is fucking endless>
The US government has pretty much waged constant war against different targets for the past 200 years, I never thought there were people who actually believed you had a peaceful foreign policy... it appears to me those people exist, hi there!
You believe some petty charity somehow makes up for deluding 15 million people in a ridiculous cult formed by a conman spreading racism, taking 10% of their income, coerced marriage etc.
By spreading ignorance and perpetuating stupidity you are doing mankind a huge disservice.
On March 26 2016 16:24 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Even the police were afraid to take action against the "rape rings" or what they were called in U.K. Because they would be labelled "racist" if they did. Its totally crazy and outrageous
On March 27 2016 03:59 whamm! wrote:
They won't stop bombing even if you:
a) leave them alone in the middle east
how would you know?
What were we doing in the Middle East on September 10th, 2001?
1981 - the US shoots down Lybian jets in the Gulf of Sidra refusing to acknolwdge the area as Lybian waters.
1982 - US deploys forces in the Sinai Peninsula
1982 the US sends 800 marines in Lebanon
1983 the US sends 1200 more soldiers in Lebanon
1986 the US fires missiles against Lybian soldiers
1986 the USnaval forces bomb Tripoly claiming terrorist there attacked Germany
1987 the US attacks two Iranian oil plataform
1988 US attacks Iranian forces as reprisal for deplying mines in the persian gulf
1989 US destroys two Lybian fighters jets again over the mediterranean sea, the american pilots claimed the Lybian pilots demonstrated hostile intentions
Lebanon was in a civil war in the 80s (for over a decade). Other than that teaching you that, I'm going to skip responding to this portion because it's not relevant to anything, unless you want to come back and make an actual point.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1990 - Bush declares operation Desert Shield, deploying troops in Saudy Arabia precursor to the Gulf War.
The Saudi government, a US ally, asked for a troop presence because they didn't want to get attacked like Iran and Kuwait.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1996 Operation Desert Strike, american forces strike Iraq to protect the Kurdish population
Do you think maintaining no-fly zones in Iraq and protecting the Kurds was a mistake? Or do you think genocide in Iraq is better than US imperialism?
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1998 Operation Desert Fox, american conduct major bombings for 3 days on important Iraqui targets
Violating nonproliferation is a breach of international law.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1998 Operation Infinite Reach, americans deploy cruise missiles to target suspected terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Sudan
Wouldn't want to bomb terrorist camps, now, would we? The peaceful jihadis just want to be left alone to play paintball.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
2000 special forces deployed in Nigeria for training purposes
I'm talking to someone who doesn't even know where the Middle East is.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
2001-2014 War in Afghanistan
And that list is only acknowledged attacks, it isnt counting all the coups orchestrated by american intelligence and CIA missions and I didnt mention all the attacks post 2001 because that list is fucking endless>
You really didn't understand the question at all, did you.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
The US government has pretty much waged constant war against different targets for the past 200 years, I never thought there were people who actually believed you had a peaceful foreign policy... it appears to me those people exist, hi there!
...Everyone gets it. You have an irrational devotion to anti-Americanism because you think it's fashionable.
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
...Everyone gets it. You have an irrational devotion to anti-Americanism because you think it's fashionable.
At no point I stated if those acts were justified or not, I was asked about the presence of the US in muslim countries before 9/11 (thats why I mentioned Nigeria) because apparently somebody believed that prior 9/11 the US had a non-intervention and peaceful foreign policy.
but yeah of course all these clear arguments stem from my irrational anti-Americanism because its hip.
You're playing their game , they are happy.
Saddam was "worshipped" by american presidents, before he got tired of Israel's politics in the region, so he started doing the same stuff. USA told him to stop, he didn't. His image was turned from a major friend to the nation to the biggest evil on the planet -> Gulf War.
Thats pretty standard though, its the policy that follows that is of extreme importance and the USA obv failed on that one.
On March 27 2016 03:59 whamm! wrote:
They won't stop bombing even if you:
a) leave them alone in the middle east
how would you know?
What were we doing in the Middle East on September 10th, 2001?
1981 - the US shoots down Lybian jets in the Gulf of Sidra refusing to acknolwdge the area as Lybian waters.
1982 - US deploys forces in the Sinai Peninsula
1982 the US sends 800 marines in Lebanon
1983 the US sends 1200 more soldiers in Lebanon
1986 the US fires missiles against Lybian soldiers
1986 the USnaval forces bomb Tripoly claiming terrorist there attacked Germany
1987 the US attacks two Iranian oil plataform
1988 US attacks Iranian forces as reprisal for deplying mines in the persian gulf
1989 US destroys two Lybian fighters jets again over the mediterranean sea, the american pilots claimed the Lybian pilots demonstrated hostile intentions
Lebanon was in a civil war in the 80s (for over a decade). Other than that teaching you that, I'm going to skip responding to this portion because it's not relevant to anything, unless you want to come back and make an actual point.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1990 - Bush declares operation Desert Shield, deploying troops in Saudy Arabia precursor to the Gulf War.
The Saudi government, a US ally, asked for a troop presence because they didn't want to get attacked like Iran and Kuwait.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1996 Operation Desert Strike, american forces strike Iraq to protect the Kurdish population
Do you think maintaining no-fly zones in Iraq and protecting the Kurds was a mistake? Or do you think genocide in Iraq is better than US imperialism?
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1998 Operation Desert Fox, american conduct major bombings for 3 days on important Iraqui targets
Violating nonproliferation is a breach of international law.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
1998 Operation Infinite Reach, americans deploy cruise missiles to target suspected terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Sudan
Wouldn't want to bomb terrorist camps, now, would we? The peaceful jihadis just want to be left alone to play paintball.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
2000 special forces deployed in Nigeria for training purposes
I'm talking to someone who doesn't even know where the Middle East is.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
2001-2014 War in Afghanistan
And that list is only acknowledged attacks, it isnt counting all the coups orchestrated by american intelligence and CIA missions and I didnt mention all the attacks post 2001 because that list is fucking endless>
You really didn't understand the question at all, did you.
On March 28 2016 06:56 Baalim wrote:
The US government has pretty much waged constant war against different targets for the past 200 years, I never thought there were people who actually believed you had a peaceful foreign policy... it appears to me those people exist, hi there!
...Everyone gets it. You have an irrational devotion to anti-Americanism because you think it's fashionable.
Iranian's elected a prime minister in 1953 called Mossadeq. He came on and basically started to protect the interest of Iranian people, American's company didn't like it and they over threw the government. This lead to massive take over of all the populist movements inside Iran by religious figures (which were also against Mossadeq) and that eventually lead to the revolution in 79. USA was one of the first countries who actually recognized the new government of Iran with Khomeini in charge. Now it is that same government (and literally some of the same people in 53) who are trying to protect themselves from Americans because they have seen first hand what the American government does and they know American don't give a shit about anything other than the business interest of American companies. The story in Iraq and Afghanistan is very very similar. If you don't understand or acknowledge that dynamic and just blame stuff on religion of Islam, you are a fucking ignorant idiot. There are Muslims in eastern China who don't give a shit about the jews or America one way or the other because they have never been affected by them. So that alone should tell you that "Islam" has nothing to do with the violence.
Also most ignorant Americans don't know this, but in 1988 an Iranian passenger plane with 290 people was literally shot down by an American navy ship in the Persian Gulf. The people responsible on the boat were literally given a fucking medal after their term. But I guess it is Islam that is fueling the hatred.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
No way for this question to not come off snarky, but if Islam isn't the driving force behind pretty much every Sunni message board online referring to Iranians as 'rafida' and go on all day about how shia do nothing but sit around insulting Aisha all day than what is. Even guys like Nakshawani seem to admit that anti-shia sentiment is 'mainstream' in Islam.
Isn't the #1 terrorism victim by body count in Pakistan the Shia?
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
Iranian's elected a prime minister in 1953 called Mossadeq. He came on and basically started to protect the interest of Iranian people, American's company didn't like it and they over threw the government. This lead to massive take over of all the populist movements inside Iran by religious figures (which were also against Mossadeq) and that eventually lead to the revolution in 79. USA was one of the first countries who actually recognized the new government of Iran with Khomeini in charge. Now it is that same government (and literally some of the same people in 53) who are trying to protect themselves from Americans because they have seen first hand what the American government does and they know American don't give a shit about anything other than the business interest of American companies. The story in Iraq and Afghanistan is very very similar. If you don't understand or acknowledge that dynamic and just blame stuff on religion of Islam, you are a fucking ignorant idiot. There are Muslims in eastern China who don't give a shit about the jews or America one way or the other because they have never been affected by them. So that alone should tell you that "Islam" has nothing to do with the violence.
Also most ignorant Americans don't know this, but in 1988 an Iranian passenger plane with 290 people was literally shot down by an American navy ship in the Persian Gulf. The people responsible on the boat were literally given a fucking medal after their term. But I guess it is Islam that is fueling the hatred.
Stop hating on America only because its hip bruh!
BTW I cant get over your stupid rationalization of Harris being worse than ISIS, come on... you know you went full retard there.
Iranian's elected a prime minister in 1953 called Mossadeq. He came on and basically started to protect the interest of Iranian people, American's company didn't like it and they over threw the government. This lead to massive take over of all the populist movements inside Iran by religious figures (which were also against Mossadeq) and that eventually lead to the revolution in 79. USA was one of the first countries who actually recognized the new government of Iran with Khomeini in charge. Now it is that same government (and literally some of the same people in 53) who are trying to protect themselves from Americans because they have seen first hand what the American government does and they know American don't give a shit about anything other than the business interest of American companies. The story in Iraq and Afghanistan is very very similar. If you don't understand or acknowledge that dynamic and just blame stuff on religion of Islam, you are a fucking ignorant idiot. There are Muslims in eastern China who don't give a shit about the jews or America one way or the other because they have never been affected by them. So that alone should tell you that "Islam" has nothing to do with the violence.
Also most ignorant Americans don't know this, but in 1988 an Iranian passenger plane with 290 people was literally shot down by an American navy ship in the Persian Gulf. The people responsible on the boat were literally given a fucking medal after their term. But I guess it is Islam that is fueling the hatred.
Stop hating on America only because its hip bruh!
BTW I cant get over your stupid rationalization of Harris being worse than ISIS, come on... you know you went full retard there.
lol, I dont hate America. I actually really like most stuff about America. But there are some retarded stuff with them as well. Gun control is one of them, this is another one.
PS: I said I have more respect for terrorist who blow themselves up than Harris. I also have more respect for them than their instructors. Harris is the definition of pseudo-intellectual. I understand why some unemployed orphan growing up in a warzone becomes a terrorist. But people like Sam Harris are just pure evil who don't have the balls to even say what they mean. They just "imply" stuff.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
No way for this question to not come off snarky, but if Islam isn't the driving force behind pretty much every Sunni message board online referring to Iranians as 'rafida' and go on all day about how shia do nothing but sit around insulting Aisha all day than what is. Even guys like Nakshawani seem to admit that anti-shia sentiment is 'mainstream' in Islam.
Isn't the #1 terrorism victim by body count in Pakistan the Shia?
The problem is the framing of it. You can't call it "Islam". The Shia themselves say they are Islam. The grandmother in Canada also calls it Islam. Problem is fundamentalism and extremism. And that is in many concepts. So if you say fundamentalist Muslims are a problem that we have to deal with? I say absolutely yes. But there is a big difference between framing it that way or just say Islam is a problem.
For example in Russia extreme nationalism is a problem. So if you say the far right nationalist Russians are a problem that we have to deal with, i say yes. But people like Sam Harris would frame is as Russians are crazy, or Russian culture is a problem. And that framing only leads to bigotry and hatred and nothing good comes out of it. It just directs anger and hate towards a certain race, culture instead of an actual problem.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
Iranian's elected a prime minister in 1953 called Mossadeq. He came on and basically started to protect the interest of Iranian people, American's company didn't like it and they over threw the government. This lead to massive take over of all the populist movements inside Iran by religious figures (which were also against Mossadeq) and that eventually lead to the revolution in 79. USA was one of the first countries who actually recognized the new government of Iran with Khomeini in charge. Now it is that same government (and literally some of the same people in 53) who are trying to protect themselves from Americans because they have seen first hand what the American government does and they know American don't give a shit about anything other than the business interest of American companies. The story in Iraq and Afghanistan is very very similar. If you don't understand or acknowledge that dynamic and just blame stuff on religion of Islam, you are a fucking ignorant idiot. There are Muslims in eastern China who don't give a shit about the jews or America one way or the other because they have never been affected by them. So that alone should tell you that "Islam" has nothing to do with the violence.
Also most ignorant Americans don't know this, but in 1988 an Iranian passenger plane with 290 people was literally shot down by an American navy ship in the Persian Gulf. The people responsible on the boat were literally given a fucking medal after their term. But I guess it is Islam that is fueling the hatred.
Stop hating on America only because its hip bruh!
BTW I cant get over your stupid rationalization of Harris being worse than ISIS, come on... you know you went full retard there.
lol, I dont hate America. I actually really like most stuff about America. But there are some retarded stuff with them as well. Gun control is one of them, this is another one.
PS: I said I have more respect for terrorist who blow themselves up than Harris. I also have more respect for them than their instructors. Harris is the definition of pseudo-intellectual. I understand why some unemployed orphan growing up in a warzone becomes a terrorist. But people like Sam Harris are just pure evil who don't have the balls to even say what they mean. They just "imply" stuff.
I was being sarcastic because I was told that thing when I argued against the US foreign policy... how can such a thing fly over your head -_-
You respect ignorant mass murderers more than pseudo intellectuals? are you fucked up, regardless of what Harris said he is leaps above any murderer.
And I challenged your claim that Harris has said that we should send a preemptive nuclear strike, please post your source or GTFO. (In before you post a vid from Cenk Yugur and get you ass kicked)
No way for this question to not come off snarky, but if Islam isn't the driving force behind pretty much every Sunni message board online referring to Iranians as 'rafida' and go on all day about how shia do nothing but sit around insulting Aisha all day than what is. Even guys like Nakshawani seem to admit that anti-shia sentiment is 'mainstream' in Islam.
Isn't the #1 terrorism victim by body count in Pakistan the Shia?
The problem is the framing of it. You can't call it "Islam". The Shia themselves say they are Islam. The grandmother in Canada also calls it Islam. Problem is fundamentalism and extremism. And that is in many concepts. So if you say fundamentalist Muslims are a problem that we have to deal with? I say absolutely yes. But there is a big difference between framing it that way or just say Islam is a problem.
For example in Russia extreme nationalism is a problem. So if you say the far right nationalist Russians are a problem that we have to deal with, i say yes. But people like Sam Harris would frame is as Russians are crazy, or Russian culture is a problem. And that framing only leads to bigotry and hatred and nothing good comes out of it. It just directs anger and hate towards a certain race, culture instead of an actual problem.
This has been discussed before, read the thread or gtfo man.
Over 50% of muslims are Islamists, which means they are in favor of death penalty for apostacy, homosexuality, favour sharia law in muslims countries and would like a Caliphate, so yeah >1% actually belong to terrorist cells, but hundreds of millions would still qualify to barbaric and insane.
He says that left agenda is to bring as many immigrants as they can and destroy family, borders and culture altogether. I get this but I simply don't understand why. It just doesn't make much sense unless there are hidden ulterior motives. And I don't also think that a government cares with such foresight to think they are bringing in their next voters, because people who are in power now will not be there in 20 years.
