He says that left agenda is to bring as many immigrants as they can and destroy family, borders and culture altogether. I get this but I simply don't understand why. It just doesn't make much sense unless there are hidden ulterior motives. And I don't also think that a government cares with such foresight to think they are bringing in their next voters, because people who are in power now will not be there in 20 years.
Talk about short term sensetional topics, to avoid more serious harder topics. In eastern europe, its about avoiding the real problem, corruption.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
He says that left agenda is to bring as many immigrants as they can and destroy family, borders and culture altogether. I get this but I simply don't understand why. It just doesn't make much sense unless there are hidden ulterior motives. And I don't also think that a government cares with such foresight to think they are bringing in their next voters, because people who are in power now will not be there in 20 years.
Talk about short term sensetional topics, to avoid more serious harder topics. In eastern europe, its about avoiding the real problem, corruption.
That's not the case either. Even if he was trying to avoid the topic of corruption what he says is definitely happening. I just don't get who would short term benefit from an Europe filled with contrasting religions, violence, crime, poverty and overpopulation.
No one benifits from short term "chaos", just some feel that this chaos can be and should be dealt with, and others prefer to ignore it/let someone else deal with it.
Also what is considered overpopulation?
And since when do people actually take leaders of eastern europe seriously?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Having thoughts ad personam is not very smart my friend. If he makes a fair point he makes a fair point, regardless of who he is.
Also Europe is overpopulated in the sense that the more people join it the more we will see our standards of life dropping down. Of course we don't want more people, we are having our own problems with poverty and we can't deal with this gigantic mass of immigrants coming over.
So.. What are the metrics that made you come to the conclusion that europe is overpopulated, or will be overpopulated with an increase of 1-5% of its population (probably much less) caused by this situation? Since you much smarter then me, help me understand your analytical non emotionally biased conclusions?
Give you a start, maybe youll even explain to me what overpopulation means! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation
And one of many articles talking about the population fertility rates and how it affects economies in developped nations.
( http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentev...s-declining-birth-rates/#53595e4b1ea5 tldr: most developped nations have rates significantly below 2.1 which is the rate needed to replace current workforce (workforce = economy) ; guess what the solution is?)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Also whos to say that last 10+ years of global stagnation, economically speaking, is not the real case for what might apear as drop in standard of living in developped and emerging markets?
As for his speech, he does raise valued questions, and expresses the problems areising/can arise from current situation. But his position, on left vs right, divisive politics is whats wrong and will hinder whatever actual solution will come out of all this (only solution really is for war torn countries to not be war torn, and proper integration of migrants that will stay in europe or other countries)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
He says that left agenda is to bring as many immigrants as they can and destroy family, borders and culture altogether. I get this but I simply don't understand why. It just doesn't make much sense unless there are hidden ulterior motives. And I don't also think that a government cares with such foresight to think they are bringing in their next voters, because people who are in power now will not be there in 20 years.
The west won the cold war but it lost the real war the cultural war. Marxism is not about culture it's about economics and state power. They are trying to decrease the middle class because they are harder to control, hold to much power and resources. They succeded with feminism of driving wages down and creating more taxpayers but the birthrates also went down. With immigrants they bring in low skilled workers with high birthrates and high dependency on the state and potential conflict that they can use.
Demoralization> Destabilization> Crisis> Normalization
The reason the west so readily embraces the state socialism is because it is very similar to christianity but instead of god you worship the state. They are also actively encouraging dysgenics by not punishing irresponsible behaviour and also rewarding it with economic incentives. The smart people will focus on career and have less children.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
soberstone United States. Mar 31 2016 19:01. Posts 2662
On March 31 2016 15:36 ClouD87 wrote:
Having thoughts ad personam is not very smart my friend. If he makes a fair point he makes a fair point, regardless of who he is.
Also Europe is overpopulated in the sense that the more people join it the more we will see our standards of life dropping down. Of course we don't want more people, we are having our own problems with poverty and we can't deal with this gigantic mass of immigrants coming over.
You are misidentifying a problem. It's not about overpopulation. A heavily populated area with productive, innovative, entrepreneurial minded individuals with a strong moral fabric will always succeed. If the majority of the people bring skill sets to a free market with minimal regulation which allows the market to adjust properly, things flourish. This is not an ideology, it's a historically proven truth.
However, in concurrence with your point, if you simply try and import labor for the purposes of filling markets without allowing for natural cultural assimilation with people that have no market value (sorry to say that means most all refugees) and have welfare and tax policies that disincentivize work and promote endless state dependence, you'll end up like Greece. That's where Murkel fucked up so epically horribly in Germany. One must acknowledge that the 1.1 million refugees take sooooo much more than they put in. This creates a huge dependent lower class, shrinks the piss out of the middle, and keeps the authoritarians in control because they can pander to the huge lower dependent class for support.
It's all about whether you are realistic enough to acknowledge human nature and put policies in place that promote growth rather than dependence on the basis of compassion which is what the pitch of Marxism always is from a political perspective.
Don't bother he ll just call you a conspiracy theorist now and he ll be done :D
Didn't think I'd agree on something with you Mortensen, but I do agree now. However our views of ways to manage shit is quite different, the 2 opposite extremes I'd say
He says that left agenda is to bring as many immigrants as they can and destroy family, borders and culture altogether. I get this but I simply don't understand why. It just doesn't make much sense unless there are hidden ulterior motives. And I don't also think that a government cares with such foresight to think they are bringing in their next voters, because people who are in power now will not be there in 20 years.
Personally I think it's about two things
1) On an immediate level, driving down low-medium skill labor wages. Hotel cleaners, laborers, etc., are all run by staffing companies and the rich owners of said companies benefit quite a bit with a labor surplus. Also it creates the opportunity to grow the government and make more gov't groups dedicated to refugee aid etc. Essentially it lowers pay of existing jobs and also creates more government jobs which naturally makes people more reliant on the government, which can be good for getting votes (if your job is in an asylum center are you going to vote for parties saying they will close them?)
2) In the long run, I think the idealist politicians hope that immigrants really will 'integrate' and stay in contact with their family/friends back in their home countries. It's in the US/EU best interest for everyone in the Middle East to change opinion and love them a lot, and I think some dumbass politicians actually think over time taking in refugees will change public opinion in MENA in their favor.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
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YoMeR United States. Apr 01 2016 07:42. Posts 12435
Trump is the personification of what's wrong with US politics today.
On March 31 2016 18:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Don't bother he ll just call you a conspiracy theorist now and he ll be done :D
I think a view of the world with "they" is childish, to believe there is such a level of organization, and malevolent control of things given many factors (stupidity, lifespan etc) simply isnt compatible with an objective view of the world, clearly society isnt the work of intelligent design but the work of the all mighty forces of randomness.
Sure there are Rothchilds and Bohemian Groves just as any bee hive has a queen, but those queens didnt design the hexagonal patterns, ultimately they are just as powerless to their condition and genetic programming than the humble working bee.
In this specific case I think its ridiculous to believe somebody is willingly flooding Europe with immigrants for some machievelic machination, people like Merket are doing it because they thing is the right thing to do mainly among many other secondary motives.
where do people get all these misconceptions about refugees? is it the media? why are we not receiving any fair and insightful coverage about the one's who are making it here from other countires. rapists, unskilled workers, serial killers, wtf? most of the syrians that come to europe are well-educated and prior to emigrating were middle or upper class citizens. people will believe anything that makes the world a simpler place and easier for their simpleton brains to understand. i think it boils down to greed. greed is what makes people want to close their borders, thinking that their life will be better. greed is what makes people blow up themselves and innocent people. they really believe they and their people will be better off.
and another myth i love is "lets help them in their own countries, instead of bringing them to our own." yeah sure, it's more cost-efficient to help them where they are. but have you thought it about one step farther? lets say we build a house for a family in their country and support them financially for a week or two. then they will be fine, right? just let the kids go back to the schools, oh wait it has been blown up. ok well at least the father still has his shop... oh nvm its also gone. it's not just the bombs they are fleeing, it's that their whole system and society is either destroyed or corrupt.
people like vandermeyde and dogmeat are as big of a problem as many extremists are. i mean, if you grow up in one of the richest countries in the world you have any and every possibility to educate yourself. yet some persistantly believe all these myths... it's just a simple way of looking at the world. one thing can be said about the extremists, that cannot be said for vandermeyde et al.,and that is that they do not have the same opportunities to educate themselves, so it's more understandable that they believe anything and behave like they do.
THE WORLD IS NOT SIMPLE. THERE ARE NO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS. THERE ARE NO EVIL PEOPLE (except mb psychopaths or whatever). PEOPLE ARE GREEDY AND THEY DON'T MIND TAKING IT FROM OTHER PEOPLE. THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS. caps lock is effective yo.
Do not push the river, it will flow by itself. - Polish proverb
On March 31 2016 18:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Don't bother he ll just call you a conspiracy theorist now and he ll be done :D
Didn't think I'd agree on something with you Mortensen, but I do agree now. However our views of ways to manage shit is quite different, the 2 opposite extremes I'd say
Agree with what? That we should go back to apply protectinism and isolationism ? Because thats exactly what mort is advocating.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On April 01 2016 09:22 Gumster wrote:
where do people get all these misconceptions about refugees? is it the media? why are we not receiving any fair and insightful coverage about the one's who are making it here from other countires. rapists, unskilled workers, serial killers, wtf? most of the syrians that come to europe are well-educated and prior to emigrating were middle or upper class citizens. people will believe anything that makes the world a simpler place and easier for their simpleton brains to understand. i think it boils down to greed. greed is what makes people want to close their borders, thinking that their life will be better. greed is what makes people blow up themselves and innocent people. they really believe they and their people will be better off.
and another myth i love is "lets help them in their own countries, instead of bringing them to our own." yeah sure, it's more cost-efficient to help them where they are. but have you thought it about one step farther? lets say we build a house for a family in their country and support them financially for a week or two. then they will be fine, right? just let the kids go back to the schools, oh wait it has been blown up. ok well at least the father still has his shop... oh nvm its also gone. it's not just the bombs they are fleeing, it's that their whole system and society is either destroyed or corrupt.
people like vandermeyde and dogmeat are as big of a problem as many extremists are. i mean, if you grow up in one of the richest countries in the world you have any and every possibility to educate yourself. yet some persistantly believe all these myths... it's just a simple way of looking at the world. one thing can be said about the extremists, that cannot be said for vandermeyde et al.,and that is that they do not have the same opportunities to educate themselves, so it's more understandable that they believe anything and behave like they do.
THE WORLD IS NOT SIMPLE. THERE ARE NO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS. THERE ARE NO EVIL PEOPLE (except mb psychopaths or whatever). PEOPLE ARE GREEDY AND THEY DON'T MIND TAKING IT FROM OTHER PEOPLE. THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS. caps lock is effective yo.
This is my problem with liberals today. They can't see the other person's side of the issue. Just because the majority of people are educated what does that matter when you have a lot that are coming in that are not. There is a reason there is a lot of crap is going down in the middle east, and if you think its 100% usa and the west's fault thats just absolutely retarded.
Then if you have a different viewpoint its standard liberal practice to say they are as bad as someone who blows themselves up. Its disgusting in my view and it quells discussion and free speech. Then you wonder why ridiculous people like Trump are doing so well.
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