Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 27 2013 07:02. Posts 5296
On June 26 2013 15:56 BadGoNe wrote:
Any religion is bad imo.
Just look at the gods and religions and the reason why it was created at first: to explain stuff that could not be rationally explained back in the time. The first religions all had dozens of gods, why? One god for each thing you could not understand: God of fire, god of water, god of everything...
So, technically, religion were invented because of the "ignorance" of people. It's easier to say that God did this, or wants this when there is something you can't explain/understand no? :D
Also if we look at history: most of the biggest wars and killings were done by people claiming to defend/do it for "religious" reasons/gods. And this goes way way back in time.
I have nothing against people who believe in God (and respect their choice) but just one thing: religion brought more wars and dead bodies than any dictators. As for the "good" that religions brought, I'm yet to be proved they brought more than any other "non religious" things.
And for the Christians: the Vatican must be the wealthiest and most powerful state in the world (for their size). If they were that fond of mankind and preaching to help each other, how come there are so many people in the world that are still struggling even eating? Vatican is worth $8 billion... How much of these are used for charity?
Do you guys know how much money they spend to run the "catholic churches" in the US? They spend $170 BILLIONS a YEAR to run their "business" ( $3 BILLIONs "lifetime", i.e for the past 20 years, for settlements of sexual abuse cases by priests and shit): http://www.economist.com/node/21560536
The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart). In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1m people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a lay organisation seeking to improve the way the church is run. For purposes of secular comparison, in 2010 General Electric’s revenue was $150 billion and Walmart employed roughly 2m people.
That said, I'm not saying catholics are worse than any religion, I was quoting them only because I'm more familiar with it, but any religion is BAD imo.
wars have more to do with social structure than religion. ideology, with religion being an ideology is just a tool that can be used to promote irrational behavior, and stupidy in people because that's the only way you can convince people to do stupid things. religions are used by dictators to do this. Then there is religion that promotes wisdom, i think liberation theology is a very peaceful religion-, at worst it promoted ignorance and worship, which is bad because people with good morals can do bad things when they have a lack of knowledge. But liberation theology is not as bad as non religious ideologies like capitalism in america or socialism in russia, or facism in europe.- which have all led to mass murder and domination(gulags, sweatshops, camps)
As for your comment on religion being worse than dictatorships. that isn't the point, dictatorships use religion, or any sort of worship,lack of knowledge and irrationality to support themsevles. But for sure dictatorships with non religious ideologies have caused more harm than religious ones in the 20th century, when u measure the amount of war and deaths on sheer scale, and the reasons underlying them. In the middle ages, totalitarianism worked with religion, so you can't say which killed more-because they were coexistent.
When religions were born people had a lot less knowledge about the world, i think back then it was perfectly reasonable for anyone to think that zeus was throwing lightning bolts down at the land, given that they had no knowledge of reasoning like russells teapot analogy, or of what happened in the sky. The stupid ppl back then wouldn't have been curious over how Zeus functioned, the smart ones would have been. Isaac newton for example spent much of his life trying to answer questions about alchemy, and he never progressed because he thought that the world was made of building blocks and not atoms. well we could see someone with his mind making assumptions about god being in the sky and trying to hold onto a giant bird to try and find the god 3000 years ago. Those missions sparked by curiosity progressed our knowledge when they failed or succeeded. I think you are right that those really really old religions that were used for explaining fire were created out of ignorance, but the religions that have existed since totalitarian state societies were built, were generally created or used to make people ignorant.
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On June 26 2013 17:18 Bejamin1 wrote:
Not that there is much point debating anything with anyone who is clearly racist, but FYI.
"in 2009 there were 15,700 reported sexual offenses in Sweden, a rise of 8% compared to 2008, of which 5,940 were rape and sexual harassment (including exhibitionism) accounted for 7,590 reports. In April 2009, it was reported that sex crimes had increased by 58% over the previous ten years. According to a 2009 European Union study, Sweden has one of the highest rates of reported rape in Europe."
Assuming your statistics are accurate the term "reported rape" is significant. Most rape goes unreported, in Canada for example only 8% gets reported. Victimization surveys are a much better source of data on this type of crime. So what you're talking about may actually be that Sweden is doing a better job of making victims feel comfortable coming forward. I'd like to see what % are reporting to confirm this.
Secondly, when you discuss a particular type of people being over-represented in the criminal justice system there are sometimes reasons for this. Aboriginals in Canada are massively over-represented in the prison system. This is partially because of racism in enforcement practices, but largely it is because of systemic violence, family, and societal problems that have not been addressed. What has been done to Aboriginals over the past 50-125 years in Canada is one of the most shameful things in our history. You should look more deeply into why certain segments of the population are over-represented.
In terms of your "economist" there are lots of crackpot professors out there. It's not particularly logical that immigration would be "costing" Sweden money. I could be wrong but I suspect that analysis basically just added together all kinds of security, health, and education costs related to immigration but didn't bother to calculate any of the benefits/productivity/tax revenue generated as a result. Having working age people join your population is usually a net positive so I'd question the math/how things were added up and look for more sources.
Either way, you're obviously just one of those ignorant people who look for one statistic or quote and believe it like gospel. Not that most people aren't exactly as stupid as you seem to be. This will be my only post. I don't debate with morons.
i know about all these THEORIES why the percentage is so high, and everything you speak about. but i am a racist and a moron so you will not respond, damn so no point for me to put time into this post then ( me so sad. racINCist pls halp.
continue seeing no problems with this and you will be fine, seeing the truth can hurt. good for you!
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The BBC and CNN confirmed that yesterday was the biggest demonstration in history with more than 17 million people taking to the streets.
Today the Egyptian Armed Forces just issued a communiqué stating that it is siding with the will of the people and is giving Morsi 48 hours to respond or they will interfere.
According to BBC News report Protests against Muslim Brotherhood Government are "Largest Protest in history of Egypt". Egypt Interior Ministry reports says about 14-17 Million People are on streets.
the Muslim brotherhood first started getting violent around the '40s opposing the British rule in Egypt, I suppose owning parts of countries around the world is the great history mr Paul Weston (the racist) wants to see restored. It's a great thing that the brotherhood is going to lose influence in Egypt, that's no reason to cultivate idiocy in European countries though. It is once again the same flawed argument: fundamentalists are terrible, let's ban every Islamist from entering Europe... (they are not useful anymore for labor, as whamm phrased it)
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Gnarly United States. Jul 20 2013 14:02. Posts 1723
One may view another as bigoted or racist for not liking a religion, but countries have the right to control their populations. If x feathers don't want any y feathers anymore, then that's there deal. Did anyone watch the trial in France where a muslim raped a girl, but literally got off completely free because "he wasn't in his home country" or some extreme bullshit like that? Yeah, no, fuck people who come into another country to fuck shit up.
On July 20 2013 13:02 Gnarly wrote:
Did anyone watch the trial in France where a muslim raped a girl, but literally got off completely free because "he wasn't in his home country" or some extreme bullshit like that? Yeah, no, fuck people who come into another country to fuck shit up.
what ? Pretty sure it never happened.
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Gnarly United States. Jul 20 2013 14:37. Posts 1723
On July 20 2013 13:02 Gnarly wrote:
Did anyone watch the trial in France where a muslim raped a girl, but literally got off completely free because "he wasn't in his home country" or some extreme bullshit like that? Yeah, no, fuck people who come into another country to fuck shit up.
what ? Pretty sure it never happened.
I will find you the case. I'm looking on youtube which is where I saw the case, but I keep getting that fucking stubenville shit.
when you hear something like "some muslim in france raped a girl and during trial he got off completely free because he wasn't in his home country" you should really you know, try to question what you just heard and evaluate whether it's actually plausible. like, maybe what happened was something like, the guy was from and situated in a country without extradition deals with france, or maybe the proof wasn't conclusive, or you know, whatever. if you actually believe that the legal system of france or any other western european country is gonna just be like "oh whatever you raped her but you're not from france so it's okay" then you're a giant idiot.
and dogmeat jesus christ, citing gatesofvienna? a site where the writers literally believe that european western secular governments are involved in a conspiracy to import muslims because that's the only way for them to maintain political power as muslim fundamentalist immigrants are bound to vote for the socialist super-feminists who are out on a mission to "deconstruct" western nation-states and dismantle patriotism in favour of an islamic kaliphate? the conspiracy theories they support are on an alex jonesy level and you are starting to look more and more like d_smart. I mean, atlasshrugged and unitedpatriodsworldwide are pretty obviously biased too but I don't actually know anything about them beyond their names.
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chris United States. Jul 22 2013 22:34. Posts 5503
I remember reading about crime rates in the Nordic areas of Europe rising, mainly violent and sexual crimes, with a lot of the crime being committed by Muslim immigrants. Just googled "nordic crime rate rise" and got this result -
Not entirely sure how accurate it is. Seems like a good bit of Europe has growing concerns about their Muslim immigrants.
From my personal experience in the US, many are offended at US cultures, traditions or values and actively move to change them to make them more "neutral." I am okay with it, I suppose, but I do question why we are supposed to tolerate it, when I could not go to a Muslim country and start eating bacon, or have girlfriends wearing skimpy clothing, or get drunk in public, etc.
There was also case recently in Dubai where a Norwegian woman was raped, called police, then was arrested and detained for having sex outside of marriage, making her a criminal until her very recent pardon.
Seems like with such a wide separation of culture, conflict is inevitable when people of Western or Eastern culture have interactions with those in the middle. People in India were reported to have prejudice to Muslims as well, as a lot of the rapes there have been committed by them.
Or is this more media slant?
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chris United States. Jul 22 2013 22:37. Posts 5503
so no point for me to put time into this post then 
